Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Dear Anil kumar ji What is the duration of a Bhava Lagna.If it is 120 minutes - where do you see a Bhava.Hora Lagna on the other hand is half of a Bhava ie 60 minutes making it more clear. Tanu Bhava results are to be guessed through the ascending '''RASHI''' as per Parashara.Is ascending Navamsha also a Rashi?If yes ,how many Rashis do you expect to rise at a point in time? Many Libra navamshas are present in the Zodiac - Can you differentiate between them without the help of a Rashi.Pushkara/Vargottama or take any concept in Jyotisha - can you understand a varga without linking it with Rashi. There is a clear distinction between Rashis and Amshas.As per Mahamuni - Amshas are divisions of individual rashis.Rashi/Kshethra/Griha have equal span.A Rashi is Griha(House) for a Planet.An amsha is not. If you want to know how amshas are used,please go thorugh classics.If you go with a fresh mind you will find hundred housands of shlokas.If you want to find bhavas in amshas you have to hunt for years and when not found,for self consolation - have to say - Shubha Varga means - ''Houses in Divisional Charts!!!''. How can a learned person like you conclude such?You can imagine such, only if you are so obsessed with bhavas in Vargas,which has no classical nor logical basis - and so is the case here. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, "aokedia" <anilkedia@i...> wrote: > > Re: Queries about Event-Dasha-Transit > > 1.The changes I make in the DATA sheet do not affect the other > sheets. Unprotecting helps but only if I refresh cell by cell. What > should I do to modify all calculations at the same time? > Anil: Goto tools-option-calculation and choose auto then OK and save > sheet. > > 2. Any way to get South Indian format charts? > Anil: You try to get excel sheets from Imran/Visti. they give it but > you > will need to adjust the code. > > 3.Also, I would like to learn about using all the features in the > program eg.muhurta. I have PVRN's book but that's not exhaustive. Can > you suggest any websites that give info about the different features? > Anil: I collected this from several sources. Get a good book on > Muhurta > and Panchang. > > 4. can you consider adding horary number feature too.BTW which cusp > system is implimented in Event hora IN KP calculation. > Anil: Can you explain more about horary number. I am not aware of > this. > I have given 108/1800/249. > You can enter any number even for above cases and it will be > converted to > desired range automatically. Placidus system has been used with KP > ayanansha. You try to check with manual calculation and if there is > some > difference let me know. > > Thanks for your interest. > > Anilkumar > > OM TAT SAT > ------------------------------- > Dear Pradeep, > > RAM KRISHN HARE > > Varg is different from division or Amsha. Varg means class. > eg. Vargeekaran=classification. so the word divisional chart is not > correct for varg charts. > > Main chart is just the Bha-chakr without any division. It contains > only grahas and bhavas. Just mark the longitude on circle calibrated > into > 360 degrees where each degree is again maked with 60 minutes and each > minute > is in 60 seconds. so we calibrate Bha-chakr in 360*60*60=1296000 > points and > mark the location of all planets and houses as per their longitude. > Here we > can see which planet is in which house on the basis of longitude and > we do > not need any signs here. This is actual representation of sky map > visible > at the time of birth. > > Sage Parashar has not defined the starting point of Bha-chakr.This is > why any point as per convenience can be choosen.We have Sayan and > Niryan(here also many variations) based on starting point.Then we > have Bhrigu system > where Natural lordship of houses is very important. Some people use > Lagn=Mesh(starting point).This is the basis for Arun-Sanhita (Lal- > Kitab). > One can also count from some Nakshatr to see relevent good/bad > effects. > See concept of Sthunas etc. in Prashn-Marg and Different Dashas start > from different Nakshatras in BPHS.Thus Main chart only has BHAV and > Grah. > > Now sage Parashar says 1/12th of Bha-chakr is Rashi.So when we divide > it > in 12 parts,we get first division.Now we classify planets and houses > as per > their placement into different divisions. This classification is > called > Rashi varg. Similarly,we can divide it further to get other vargas. > This classification is based on Ansha/parts/divisions in which > planets etc. > are placed. Collective name for a classification containing all > planets etc. based on same method of division is called varg. For the > sake of clear > differentiation,we call them D1,D2,D60,Dn etc. Here n shows no of > divisions > within a sign.When we divide on the basis of Navmansh,we call it > Nav-Navmansh,Navmansh dwadashansh etc.Similarly we can further divide > any varg in 16 types as we do with Rashi. > > Now you can see that in D1,we assign Rashis to 12 divisions of Bha- > Chakr > and consider their lords as Bhavesh. We similarly consider signs in > vargas > and therefore they also have lords which by same logic are bhavesh > for that > varg.Following verse clearly shows that vargas are different from > Anshas. > > par5160.itx(283): lagnAdupachaye ketau yogakArakasaMyute | > shubhAMshe shubhavarge cha shubhakarmaphalodayaH || 62|| > > Meaning : Ketu in upachaya with Yogakaaraka in benefic Ansha > (division) > and benefic varga gives fruits of good Karma. I consider Ansha as sign > and varga as house in divisional chart. > > Now why we do so many divisions? This has been already explained using > example of world map. Can we define a map in different ways? Yes. > If we need to see natural land/hills/river etc,we use different map > while > we use different map for showing matters like population etc. Even > though area is same,we use different colour codes etc to show > different matters. > Similarly,we can find vargas based on division in different ways to > see > different things. This is why we have several variations of some > charts > like D3. In short,D1 is parent and other 15 vargas are children.Some > children are twins. Children can have grand-children as well. > > Hope you are satsfied now. > > Thank you for your interest > > Anilkumar > > OM TAT SAT > ----------- > I am appending earlier mail below: > > On the map of world you locate country eg. India. > Then you magnify India region to locate state eg. Delhi. > Then you magnify Delhi region to locate different villages/towns. > Then you magnify the town region to locate your street. > Then you magnify the street to locate your home. > Then you magnify your home to see different rooms. > Then you magnify your bed-room to see your bed. > > Theorotically, your bed has a unique lattitude and longitude so it is > possible to see it on the map of world but no one can do not.So based > on what we want to see we magnify the map selectively untill desired > thing > is visible.If I just want to locate delhi,there is no point in > magnifying > further but when I want to locate an address in delhi,I have to do > that. > > Now as you know that the area of view is fixed(size of your > monitor/paper). > So on world map, India may appear in East but in map of India,Delhi > will > appear in north while your town may be seen in west in the map of > Delhi. > > You can argue that it has only one longitude so it must appear at same > point but depending on magnification,it will change its direction. Now > as you know that we locate exact direction on 360 degree circle,the > longitude of place will change from map to map. This new longitude is > MUST for you if you want to know exactly where it is located. > > Now apply it to birth-map of sky i.e. birth-chart. > you can easily understand the need of varg-charts and varg- > longitudes. > You can still give one argument: > Instead of changing longitude,we should magnify the scale of map so > that > with same longitude,we can locate the place in each map. > While this is acceptable,there is a big problem of recalibration of > scale > for each map. To avoid this,we use same scale and re-calculate the > longitude. This is much easier as our canvass remains same. > Would you like to change your moniter every time you find that entire > document is not visible on screen? It is definatly better to scroll > the documents instead of changing screens. > All attributes of world map are preserved in every magnified map. Only > the area covered by map is different. Same applies to varg-charts. > Anilkumar > ------------------------------- > UL in D1 and D9 > > Dear Anurag,I am giving some hints for better understanding. > > (1) You know about UL in D1 and from it,time *your* marriage. > (2) Now, in D9,take 7th as lagn of spouse and consider it as her D1. > (3) Using rules as in D1, find time of *spouse* marriage. > (4) If you wish,you can find varg vinshottary dasha using varg > longitude of Chandr and time her marriage. > (5) Now find the overlapping period in both charts to fix the date. > ----- > Additional Hints: > once you have D1 for spouse with longitudes,you can find her D9 too! > This will again show YOU! D9 of spouse is your D81 and D81 lagn must > show her spouse ie YOU. So this must be like your D1 lagn. > > This is the very basis for Kund-Rectification. > > Now we know that exact longitudes are calculated for Kund- > Rectification. > This clearly shows existance of longitudes in vargas. > > In kund-Rectification,trines are also allowed. This 120 degree change > in D81 corresponds to 120/81 degrees in D1. It takes about 6 minutes > time. > > Now you see that this is the duration for PranPad lagn! > > In practise,we can choose nearest time so just +/- 3 minutes are > enough > for Rectification. > > Similarly, you can find D3 of your spouse to see her brother,D12 for > mother > D7 for children etc.Thus we can easily understand the meaning of > vargas from > the calculation method. > > I will give another example. > Hora chart is much disputed but I found 2 charts giving good results. > > Yavan Hora: First hora of same sign and second hora of 11th. > 11th house shows Income/Profits. This Hora gives excellent results for > income. > > Another Hora: First hora same sign and second hora 2nd(next) sign. > 2nd shows accumulation etc. This hora gives good results for wealth. > This may be called Garg-Hora but I do not have classical proof. > ----------------------- > Dear Vasu, you wrote: > "On computation of formula (CxPxA)+M+G+L, dividing by > 12, if we get remainder as 0, what does it denote." > > Anil: In Jyotish whenever you find such case of 0 remainder, > you ALWAYS take it equal to the divisor. In the above case, it is 12. > ----------------------- > Dear Jyothi, you wrote: > > "shouldn't there be an indication in Rasi chart to show what sort of > treatment the native receives from people with whom he interacts > including all types of partners? If yes, what or where is that > indicator?" > > Anil: Note "Navamansh Rashi of 7th bhav-bhavesh-karak of D1" in D1. > If it is well placed then predict good results. > Similarly treat D9 as D1 of spouse and find interaction from > partner's view. > See my reply to Anurag for more detail. > > " Do you mean such an indication can be received only from Navamsa > and not from Rasi? If Rasi shows only a one way relationship (outward > from native), then how can it give an outline of what are the factors > that affect a > native? For eg, how can one say a divorce from a Rasi chart as > divorce is an outcome of the bitter experiences a native receives > > from his/her partner? Shouldnt there be an indication of the > partners' reaction to the native in the Rasi chart?" > > Anil: You can see everything from native's point in D1. From spouse's > point you can see it in D9.Similarly extend to other vargas. > > "Doesn't the `marital environment' which was on the > `OTHER side(=spouse's side=Navamsa) before marriage > come to ones own side(=native's =Rasi) after marriage? > Where does that clubbing occur in Rasi chart? Or where in Rasi > chart, the line is drawn? (Can we differentiate so?) > Or is the interpretation time-dependant?" > > Anil: What about parents,co-borns etc. of native? There is no change > in sides for any one(chart). Interpretation depends on Dasha and > transit > which are based on time. > > "In the case before marriage, I understand that the Navamsa shows the > > marital environment (spouse, spouse's relatives, family etc). > But after marriage if one needs to check the `marital environment' of > > a person, which will you check? Rasi or Navamsa of that person? (as > > the spouse's environment now has a significant effect on ones'own > > environment.) > For eg:, Say a couple is undergoing a bad married life, one of them > > approaches you to check the prospects of their life. > Which will you check? You will check the 'environment' in Rasi or > > Navamsa of that person?" > > Anil: You check D1 for native and D9 for spouse.They may be different. > eg. wife may be enjoying fan in winter but husband is feeling cold in > same > room. Similarly many things can be different from physical/mental > areas. > > "I believe Rasi should definitely be checked. If correct, then isn't > > Rasi chart also showing the 'marital envronment' you mentioned? Not > > only the Navamsa? Or is it again time dependant - before marriage > Navamsa and after marriage Rasi?" > > Anil: What happens when wife goes to meet her parents or husband is > out > of station for business? Aren't both feeling differently? > Just stick to the words of sage Parashar.Every one else can be wrong. > ----------------------- > Dear Pradeep, you wrote: > "Navamsha charts that we are deriving are infact representing aspects. > Aspects need not be Grahadrishti alone." > > Anil: This is totally wrong thinking. Drishty is well defined in BPHS. > It is seen in all vargas because it is based on sign which exist in > all > divisions. According to finn, in western system also aspects are used > in harmonics. There it is based on mutual placement of signs and > Anshas. > so your idea of aspect do not match with vedic and western methods. > If your understanding of aspect is different from Drishty of > grah/rashi > kindly use specific words to avoid any confusion. > > "Nava-Navamsha is just the navamsha of navamsha- another > ninth harmonic of navamsha.It can just go on like this. > One can use navamsha as a chart if one can understand the > interlinkage. > But when one understands this, he will not see them in isolation. > > Planets that we see from varga lagnas,are harmonic influences on the > > said signs." > > Anil: Thanks for accepting navamsha as a chart. > Now can you give me any quote from BPHS to justify your claim that > vargas are not to be seen in isolation? It is solely your personal > view. > > "Regarding your Kosha grouping - i have no idea.It need not stop at > > Shashtyamsha.There are higher divisions as per nadi.Then why are we > > stopping at shashtyamsha." > > Anil: I do not accept this view of Kosha grouping. There may be some > link > between 5 koshas and 5 levels of Dashas given by sage Parashar. Our > Karmas > are stored in Manomay kosh.Unless Dasha activates our past karmas,how > can > we experience the results. It is for this reason, Moon is selected for > calculation of dashas and interpretation of transits. > > However if one accept it, 5 koshas are over upto D60.It must stop at > that point.Higher anshas in nadi are just the extention of these > basic vargas given in BPHS as I have explained in this mail to Surya > Rao. > > According to Puranas,5 koshas are divided into 3 shariras like this: > Sthool sharir: Annamay kosh > Sookshm Sharir: Pranmay,manomay,vigyanmay kosh > Karan sharir: Anandmay kosh > > Only sthool sharir changes in different births. Other shariras remain > permanantly with Atma. They never separate atleast untill Moksh is > obtained. > > "If you are trying to bring furhter degrees - It is nothing but > MOVEMENT from one NAVAMSHA to another NAVAMSHA.This has not been > > sanctioned by Sage and please don't make any such assumptions.This > > will create further problems similar to ''TWO ZODIACS concept''. > > Anil: I have explained degrees in D81 with classical reference to > Kunda. > I have also explained that Bha-chakr is same but it can be divided > into > different vargas based on different anshas.So it creates no problem at > any level but you have to admit vargat-vargam as given in Prashn-Marg. > > ----------------------- > Dear Surya Rao, you wrote: > "So even if someone follows logic, Vimsottari can have a > max longevity of only 13.33 years with Navamsa Chandra." > > Anil: Please read my earlier post comparing birth map with world map. > Vargas are just enlargement of selected points in birth map. > Is there any rule that the map of world lasts longer then map of city? > If both are of same quality,they will last for equal duration. > > "See how many signs are involved even if we consider Rasi > alone. It can be more than 8 if we take AVmax sign of Guru also. > just imagine someone applies such formulae to Vargas treated as > independent. Guru shall cause children in all rasis? Then how shall > one predict?" > > Anil: We have to carefully select stronger sign. > Then in both D1 and D7 you take those which are present in both > charts. > Trikon shodhan and Ekadhipatya shodhan are used for similar purpose > in AV. > However, in many cases,translators change AND into OR.In some > cases,AND > is clearly mentioned and in others,we need to conclude from > references. > > "Rajayoga have been predicted in respect of what - Rasi or other > Vargas?" > > Anil: Raj-yoga in D-chart is for that chart only. Read the story of > Kalidas > how a poor and fool was married to most intelligent princess. > > Here D9 will indicate raj-yoga but not D1. Can someone provide his > chart? > Regarding houses, It is not neessary that all signs must be present > to calculate Bhavas.In Chalit/KP you can have 3 houses lorded by > single planet and some signs do not have any house cusp. > > "A planet is beneficial for the native based on Lagna -is it? Can > that change in the case of Varga where Lagna may be different? > See for Kanya Lagna is Mars is dire malefic and so it > will be for the native. Now say Kanya has navamsa > in Leo. Shall malefics Mars become benevolent for spouse?" > > Anil: Yes. Functional nature changes with Lagn as per the rules of > BPHS. > This is a good situation for chart-matching. eg. If one has bad > health, > other will have good health and can take care of spouse. > > "it must be clearly understood that Gemini Lagna_Libra navamsa is not > the same as Aries Lagna_Libra Navamsa." > > Anil: There is no difference as far as D9 is concerned. If you > consider > D1,they are different.Acid and alkali retain their properties when > they are > separate. When you mix them,they loose their identity and a new > product > is formed.This is what happens by mixing different vargas.An expert > can still predict the product that is formed.Have you read different > results > of above Karakanshas? I have only seen the result of Libra Karakansha. > > "All predictive logics are derived from the basic Rasi_Nakshatra > mathematical strucutre of the Zodiac." > > Anil: You are correct but Rasi_Nakshatra are the basic divisions of > Zodiac. > They are First divisions of Bha-chakr. They are further divided to > find > Anshas and subs. We calculate Sub,Sub-sub etc. in KP. This only shows > finer divisions. Similarly,we have Week-day divided into 24 horas > (called Kshna-var or temporary week-day).In fact Horas are > more strong then week-day. Similarly,we can divide Rashis into > vargas and they are stronger then Rashi(D1) when it comes to the > area of significance indicated by that varg. > > "There is only one Lagna in a Kundali and that is the rising point > over East which renders the Karmic qualities to the chart and > associated parameters. > If for Aries_Lagna with Navamsa in Libra, there is no Libra rising > and any extrapolation of the Rasi concepts to other Vargas is an > unscientific step. > Can you see that Navamsa in the East in Libra? Libra_navamsa in such > a case is rising in Aries on the East." > > Anil: I agree with your first line but second line is incorrect > extention. > Aries rises in east as per Rashi division of Zodiac while Libra rises > as per > Navamansh division of Zodiac. > > Parashar said 1/12 th part of Bha-chakr is Rashi. This is first > division of > Bha-chakr. Rules that are applied to first division are applicable to > all > divisions. For first division,we have only 12 signs but for other > divisions > we have 2,3 or more cycles of these signs in the order given in > classics. > Each sign is of 30 bhagas(parts) which we normally call degrees but > in Hindi, it is called Ansh which means part. Also see my mail to > Pradeepji. > > So when you are saying Aries_Lagna with Navamsa in Libra I consider > it unnecessary. It is Aries Lagn in D1 and Libra in D9. The > calculation of Libra using longitude in Aries gives you this > impression that it is part of Aries.Instead of 12 parts,here Zodiac > is divided into 108 parts. > Sage has classified calculations just for the sake of clarity and > compactness. Imagine listing of 60 cycles of signs for D60 and the > possibility of remembring 720 signs in correct order! In Prashn-Marg, > calculation of some higher vargas are based on D9.It is just > convenience. > > Here is the verse from BPHS after description of Meen Rashi: > > Trinshad-bhagatmakanam ch Sthool-sookshm-phalay ch ||4-24|| > > Here the Sage has clearly said that each sign has 30 bhagas and are > used > to see sthool(macro) and sookshm(micro) results. Macro results can be > from D1 while micro from vargas. This verse further justifies > longitude in vargas. > > Thanks for your interest. > > Anilkumar > > OM TAT SAT > ------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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