To Satish, To Narasimhji, Body parts and houses

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Dear Sir,

 

I too `feel' the same. As far as I have understood, the

chakras are symbolic of the various levels one has to transcend

before reaching the ultimate liberation from where there is no come

back. May be one can exactly find the spatial position of glands

related to each of them. But these glands are ONLY RELATED TO CHAKRAS

and not the CHAKRAS by themselves. If they were, then there wouldn't

have been so much confusion in finding the position. We just have to

take the help of efficient surgeons! (But the problem if they really

have any connection with zodiac signs seems unresolved).

 

Also, once a person starts his spiritual journey towards liberation,

what is the significance of all these zodiac signs and Astrology

except one's self and one's Devta? Why should one bother about other

matters? When the space-time collapses, all those that existed in the

space-time also collapse including the zodiac signs, ones judging

capability, everything, even this apparent world collapse, and there

is not even an awareness of ones own existence, so how can one find

the locations? I hope I am right. I think whatever the sages said as

was only a reference to the `bundle of obstacles' associated with

each main organ so that when the seeker overcomes those obstacles,

the divinity at each of those locations is revealed to the seeker.

And I feel there is nothing in the real sense like chakras that can

be fixed with a scale and pencil! Scholars please correct if I am

wrong.

 

I would like to know other scholar's opinion too in this matter.

 

Regards,

Jyothi.

 

vedic astrology, "R Satish" <rsatish1942>

wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> In chakra therapy,we have learnt there are more than 7

chakras,upto

> 14 infact,7 are attempted to be located within the confines of the

> human body,and 8 to 14 go in a vertical plane above the crown,thro

> spiritual practices the energie centres can be activated.It is

> stated if you succeed in reaching the crown chakra you attain God

> consciousness lik eg.Ramana Maharishi,Swami Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

> etc.could achieve.

>

> Further there are no spatial cordinates and any attempt to give

> physical coordinates would be a futile exercise.When we attribute

> location of Gods to various locations in the chakra areas, it is

> only for understanding.Thro Beeja mantras,sound vibrations there

> centres are activated.eg So Hum etc.

>

> To extend it further to give astrological parameters, and then

give

> physical locations would be futile.I donot think it was attempt of

> the Rishis .if it was so,clear mandated locations would have been

> given,by Parashara and others.

>

> This is purely my understanding,and I am not here to challenge any

> body.Its only my tupeeny thoughts.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Narasimha ji

> >

> > >>For example, Visuddhi chakra is in throat. I wonder if anyone

> would have trouble >>in placing Kalapurusha's Visuddhi chakra in

> Gemini.

> >

> > I do have a problem here.

> > Sheersha/Mukha/Bahu(Varahamihira) - Points to Head,face and

> Hands,arms,shoulder(Aries/Taurus/Gemini)

> >

> > How do you fix throat as part of gemini(Bahu or hands).If i say

> throat should fall under Taurus can you deny that - because speech

> and hence vocal cord should fall under Taurus.How do u place these

> under Bahu?It is amazing.

> >

> > Now how do you fix forehead as part of Taurus.Why is it not part

> of Aries.

> >

> > I am sorry to say this - to suit your debate you are reaching

fast

> conclusions.Pls wait and study well.What you are writing is only

> your eagerness and wish.There is no

> > pramana.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Pradeep

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

> <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep and Jyothi,

> > >

> > > Talking about chakras being equi-distant, of course they are

> not. But I fail to see why that is an issue in mapping chakras.

> After all, each sign does not represent uniformly 1/12th of

> Kalapurusha's body! Kalapurusha's body was divided into twelve

> UNEQUAL parts and mapped to the twelve signs. Some signs represent

> longer body parts of Kalapurusha and some represent shorter body

> parts. Thus, if I place the 7 chakras in 7 continuous signs, it

does

> not imply that they are equi-distant!

> > >

> > > > Let us make our foundations corerct- Mooladhara and then

build

> on.

> > > > This disturbing tendency of explaining all in one

> shot ,without proper

> > > > foundations will never take us anywhere.

> > >

> > > Mapping some chakras to signs may be controversial, but mapping

> several chakras is straight-forward.

> > >

> > > For example, Visuddhi chakra is in throat. I wonder if anyone

> would have trouble in placing Kalapurusha's Visuddhi chakra in

> Gemini. Anahata chakra is near heart. I wonder if anyone would have

> trouble in placing Kalapurusha's Anahata chakra in Cancer. I wonder

> if anyone would have trouble in placing Kalapurusha's Manipoora

> chakra in Leo. I wonder if anyone would have trouble in placing

> Kalapurusha's Swadhishthana chakra in Virgo.

> > >

> > > As you guys talked about Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha being

> in Moola nakshatram, I was hoping that you would have some idea of

> where to place other chakras. Unfortunately, it seems like you

don't

> have any idea and you don't even appreciate if someone humbly

shares

> HIS idea.

> > >

> > > If one ignores 6 chakras and talks about only one chakra, one

> can easily make mistakes and jump to wrong conclusions. When one

> tries to come up with a COHERRENT understanding involving all the

> seven chakras and tries the balance the understanding of seven

> items, one has a better chance of realizing those mistakes and

> balancing various criteria. That is how *I* look at it.

> > >

> > > > when we ask for paramana there is only silence.

> > >

> > > Talking about "pramana", I have shared my basis. Mooladhara

> chakra is in the sac in the lower abdomen that borders rectum and

> genitals and contains several internal organs related to the

> functionality of rectum and genitals. This sac is called vasti and

> allotted to Libra by Parasara. What Parasara called guhya and

> allotted to Sc contains just the anus and genitals and no

> surrounding internal parts. You can disagree with my reading of

> exactly what is included in vasti (Li) and what in guhya (Sc), but

> it is unfair to keep asserting in every mail you write that "when

we

> ask for paramana there is only silence" (or something to that

> effect). There was no silence and I DID speak, but you remained

> unconvinced. You have the right to remain unconvinced, but it is

> unfair to say that "there is only silence".

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

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> > > > Dear Jyoti

> > > >

> > > > These are brilliant pieces of thought.Chakras are not childs

> play to arrange them from aries on to libra.Even when sidhas are

> finding it difficult,we are able to place them with absolute ease.

> > > >

> > > > Let us make our foundations corerct- Mooladhara and then

build

> on. This disturbing tendency of explaining all in one shot ,without

> proper foundations will never take us anywhere.when we ask for

> paramana there is only silence.But we are confident while assigning

> positions.Same is the case with Vargas .We dont know what an amsha

> is and we map them to imaginary zodiacs.But we are pretty confident

> and can make theories on Varga chakras.I am sorry to say this in a

> sarcastic tone.

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep

> > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir, (reposting as the first post didnt appear in

> the

> > > > > group)

> > > > >

> > > > > If members who are not scholars can also ask their doubts

> regarding

> > > > > this matter, can I ask some doubts, please. I sincerely

hope

> that you

> > > > > will read the following doubts which I had on reading your

> mail, and

> > > > > clarify it, if you have some time to spare.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. The 7 chakras in the astral body are not equidistant.

> Right? Can

> > > > > you please say what is the ratio between the spatial

> separation

> > > > > between the 7 chakras in physical body and the degree wise

> separation

> > > > > between the points they are located in Rasis? Are they

> proportional?

> > > > > I mean do they match?

> > > > >

> > > > > Like, Suppose the SC-AjC(spatial separation)=p (SC=

> sahasrara,

> > > > > Ac=ajna etc..)

> > > > > AC-VC=q

> > > > > VC-AnC=r

> > > > > AnC-MC=s

> > > > > MC-SwC=t

> > > > > Sw-MoC=u

> > > > >

> > > > > And the longitude of the each chakra in each Rasi be

> a,b,c,d,e and f)

> > > > >

> > > > > My doubt is : Is p:q:r:s:t:u = a:b:c:d:e:f?

> > > > > If you are mapping chakra positions in human body with

> zodiac signs

> > > > > shouldn't these ratios be proportional?

> > > > >

> > > > > If it matches, isn't there a possibility that the chakras

> may not

> > > > > come exactly one in each sign contiguously starting from

> Aries?

> > > > >

> > > > > For eg:

> > > > > My doubt is how can the Sahasrara padma and Ajna chakra

come

> in two

> > > > > separate rasis?

> > > > > Why can't they(sahasrara and ajna chakra)come together in

> Aries?

> > > > > Could you please state the reason why it is not possible

for

> > > > > sahasrara and ajna chakra to come together in aries? (or

> together in

> > > > > Taurus-which is another doubt.)

> > > > >

> > > > > Acc to references, The nerve plexus corresponding to

> Sahasrara in

> > > > > physical body is said to be the pineal gland. (There is

> ofcourse

> > > > > another reference that Sahasrara is pituitary and ajna

> chakra is

> > > > > pineal. (But, if one assumes ajna chakra is pineal,

> according to

> > > > > anatomy, the pineal gland is above pituitary and it will

> mean that

> > > > > Sahsrara is below Ajna chakra!!)

> > > > > Acc to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petal_(chakra), and

> > > > > http://www.yoga-age.com/modern/kun4.html#_VPID_45 which

> describes

> > > > > Kundalini yoga by Sivananda, Pineal Gland corresponds to

> Sahasrara

> > > > > and NOT Ajna chakra.

> > > > > Acc to net resources about Pineal gland: "It is located in

> the

> > > > > geometric center of the brain. The Pineal Gland is about

the

> size of

> > > > > a pea, and is in the center of the brain in a tiny cave

> behind and

> > > > > above the pituitary gland which lies a little behind the

> root of the

> > > > > nose. Pineal gland is located directly behind the eyes,

> attached to

> > > > > the third ventricle."

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, taking these info as references, If one is mapping the

> chakras

> > > > > with points in physical body, there isn't much spatial

> separation

> > > > > between Sahasrara chakra and Ajna chakra. (I mean between

> Pineal and

> > > > > Pituitary) Right? Hence my doubt why should Ajna chakra

jump

> to

> > > > > Taurus? Can you please state the reason why you placed so?

> If you

> > > > > know the spatial separation between the two and its

> corresponding

> > > > > separation in degrees, can you pls share? (If that is how

> you placed

> > > > > ajna chakra in Taurus.)Also can you pls say in which star

> the

> > > > > location is?

> > > > >

> > > > > To explain more precisely, you wrote "Ajna chakra of

> Kalapurusha is

> > > > > in Ta (2nd house of the natural zodiac, i.e.

> face/forehead/eyes)."

> > > > > If pineal gland is located above the pituitary which is at

> the root

> > > > > of the nose, how can the Sahasrara whose corresponding

nerve

> plexus

> > > > > is pineal gland be in Aries? If forehead and eyes come in

> Taurus

> > > > > sign (acc. to your mail), shouldn't the pineal gland -->

> Sahasrara

> > > > > also come under Taurus?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Is the eye-brow part in Aries or Taurus? Where is the

> demarcation

> > > > > with respect to physical body?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Doesn't forehead come in the seersha part / siras? OR IS

> IT THAT

> > > > > SIRAS MEANS ONLY THE SCALP? If forehead (the whole 3-D

> volume of

> > > > > forehead) does not belong to siras, how can sahasrara be in

> Aries?

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally, I read a controversial information as below:

> > > > > "Although the more widespread opinion places the Sahasrara

> chakra at

> > > > > the very top of the head, Goswami argues instead that this

> chakra

> > > > > (and another one below it called the Guru chakra) is

> actually located

> > > > > above the head, and the top-of-the-head position is taken

> instead by

> > > > > another chakra called the Nirvana chakra, with one hundred

> petals.

> > > > > Sri Aurobindo, although only referring to the standard

seven

> chakras,

> > > > > likewise locates the Sahasrara above the head."

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, I hope you will find time to clear my doubts.

> > > > >

> > > > > With repsects,

> > > > > Jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao"

> > > > > pvr@c... wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Classics say Mooladhara is placed between Guda and

Linga.

> > > > > > > You are learned enough to understand the Sign/Limb

> mapping -

> > > > > > > given by Parashara.But still you say '' For ME

> Mooladhara of

> > > > > > > Kalapurusha is at 180 degrees''.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 5th house of Kala Purusha (Le) shows the stomach. The

> 9th house

> > > > > of Kala Purusha (Sg) shows thighs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 3 houses in between cover a small area and one has to

> correctly

> > > > > understand what each of the 3 houses covers!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 6th house (Vi) covers the "kati" of Kala Purusha.

Kati

> means

> > > > > hip/buttock area. The 7th house (Li) covers the "vasti".

> Vasti means

> > > > > the sac that contains the lower belly, colon, pelvis etc.

> The 8th

> > > > > house (Sc) covers the "guhya". Guhya means the genitals and

> anus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though the genitals and anus themselves are shown by Sc,

> the areas

> > > > > adjoining them and the internal organs associated with them

> and the

> > > > > pelvic region are shown by Li. As Vi shows the hip/buttock

> area and

> > > > > Sc shows the genitals and anus, Li shows whatever is in

> between. That

> > > > > is where Mooladhara chakra belongs!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mooladhara chakra is neither in anus nor in genitals. Nor

> is in in

> > > > > hips/buttocks. It is in between. It is 2 angulis above the

> anus.

> > > > > Thus, it makes sense to place it in Libra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have given my view on the placement of various chakras

> previously:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (1) Sahasrara chakra of Kalapurusha is in Ar (1st house

of

> the

> > > > > natural zodiac, i.e. siras/head top).

> > > > > > (2) Ajna chakra of Kalapurusha is in Ta (2nd house of the

> natural

> > > > > zodiac, i.e. face/forehead/eyes).

> > > > > > (3) Visuddhi chakra of Kalapurusha is in Ge (3rd house of

> the

> > > > > natural zodiac, i.e. throat/upper chest).

> > > > > > (4) Anahata chakra of Kalapurusha is in Cn (4th house of

> the

> > > > > natural zodiac, i.e. heart).

> > > > > > (5) Manipoora chakra of Kalapurusha is in Le (5th house

of

> the

> > > > > natural zodiac, i.e. stomach).

> > > > > > (6) Swadhishthana chakra of Kalapurusha is in Vi (6th

> house of the

> > > > > natural zodiac, i.e. kati or hip/buttock area).

> > > > > > (7) Mooladhara chakra of Kalapurusha is in Li (7th house

> of the

> > > > > natural zodiac, i.e. vasti or the sac that contains

> lowerbelly, colon

> > > > > and pelvic region).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kundalini travels in anti-zodiacal direction from

> Mooladhara to

> > > > > Sahasrara, likes nodes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

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