Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Namaste all, Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had a very busy week at work and I am still working. This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or feminism. Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in fact, a rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially after the first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot have Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So that is not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what Prabodh said is simply incorrect. I can accept such Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego consciousness, which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as opposed being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is). Kundalini is normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo Linga. One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that encompasses one's body, name etc. At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But, as Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's sex is immaterial. In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male or female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very low levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower chakras). As self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's ego consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important is one's sex? In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis. However, one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make Kundalini rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc - there are so many paths. If you want to see the characteristics of one's consciousness, when it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness (corresponding to 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog between Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book that influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway, whether you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or Karma yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which can happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is different in different paths. In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of consciousness according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness reaching the highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is simply supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching Sahasrara. If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a woman? BTW, one more philosophical rambling: As we are born as human beings and blessed with some intellect, we should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying ourselves down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us further and further away from who we truly are. One's concept of "self" (ego) is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not, it is worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will slowly start making a difference. OK, good night now! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear Jyothi and others,> In reply to the question "Why awakening is impossible in women?", Prabodh wrote the following:> "When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess." > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible to buy his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think" or "I assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no Kundalini activation"> It appeared that he had total confidence even though he knows nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is that before making such a radical remark, think millions of times. What does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat Babajaan, Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women? Normally I am a calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with this. His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all women is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is too short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the best out of this life time. You are not limited to anything. > > Regards,> Devika.> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> Dear Sir,> > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle women. But > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion (which I > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read the > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in the net. If > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some body had > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it with more > curiosity).> > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you might have some > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance' and > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel women are more > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less dangerously than > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong mental > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).> > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to awaken > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with female > disciple does that mean women are not capable or permitted for KA? > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their mental > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please share. If > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to various > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in ones Goddess > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the truth will, I > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it can be a > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.> > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be > interesting to read the expirences."> > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with each person is > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like, all men will > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?> If the net resources can be believed there are lot of articles by > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read about it but > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I will let you > know. > > Thanks for your clarification.> > REgards,> Jyothi.> > --- In vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande" > <amolmandar> wrote:> >> > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste> > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did not > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom I > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are not > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess. If > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I have not > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody knows such > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much thankful.> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > Jai Jai Shankar> > Har Har Shankar> > > > > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> > >> > > Dear sir,> > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is impossible in > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande" > > > <amolmandar> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste> > > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no > > Kundalini > > > > activation.> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > > Jai Jai Shankar> > > > har Har Shankar> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,> > > > > > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.> > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > Vishnu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "r_tv_99" > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > respected gurus and members,> > > > > >> > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed with respect > to> > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me whether the > > > kundalini> > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is only present > > in > > > > males?> > > > > >> > > > > > tvr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 reality is). Kundalini is normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo Linga. One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that encompasses one's body, name etc. At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But, as Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's sex is immaterial. In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male or female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very low levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower chakras). As self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's ego consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important is one's sex? In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis. However, one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make Kundalini rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc - there are so many paths. If you want to see the characteristics of one's consciousness, when it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness (corresponding to 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog between Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book that influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway, whether you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or Karma yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which can happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is different in different paths. In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of consciousness according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness reaching the highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is simply supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching Sahasrara. If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a woman? BTW, one more philosophical rambling: As we are born as human beings and blessed with some intellect, we should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying ourselves down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us further and further away from who we truly are. One's concept of "self" (ego) is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not, it is worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will slowly start making a difference. OK, good night now! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear Jyothi and others,> In reply to the question "Why awakening is impossible in women?", Prabodh wrote the following:> "When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess." > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible to buy his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think" or "I assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no Kundalini activation"> It appeared that he had total confidence even though he knows nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is that before making such a radical remark, think millions of times. What does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat Babajaan, Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women? Normally I am a calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with this. His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all women is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is too short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the best out of this life time. You are not limited to anything. > > Regards,> Devika.> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> Dear Sir,> > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle women. But > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion (which I > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read the > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in the net. If > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some body had > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it with more > curiosity).> > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you might have some > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance' and > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel women are more > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less dangerously than > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong mental > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).> > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to awaken > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with female > disciple does that mean women are not capable or permitted for KA? > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their mental > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please share. If > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to various > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in ones Goddess > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the truth will, I > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it can be a > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.> > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be > interesting to read the expirences."> > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with each person is > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like, all men will > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?> If the net resources can be believed there are lot of articles by > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read about it but > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I will let you > know. > > Thanks for your clarification.> > REgards,> Jyothi.> > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande" > <amolmandar> wrote:> >> > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste> > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did not > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom I > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are not > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess. If > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I have not > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody knows such > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much thankful.> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > Jai Jai Shankar> > Har Har Shankar> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> > >> > > Dear sir,> > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is impossible in > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Jyothi> > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande" > > > <amolmandar> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste> > > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no > > Kundalini > > > > activation.> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > > Jai Jai Shankar> > > > har Har Shankar> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,> > > > > > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.> > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > Vishnu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > vedic astrology, "r_tv_99" > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > respected gurus and members,> > > > > >> > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed with respect > to> > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me whether the > > > kundalini> > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is only present > > in > > > > males?> > > > > >> > > > > > tvr Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Namaste Madam, Just to make it clear, I did not imply that you took Prabodh's statement as belittling women. In fact, I was supporting your view. I too was saying that Prabodh was simply incorrect. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Namaste Narasimha and all,> Prabodh's statement was not taken as belittling women or sexism or feminism. It was not even taken as an insult, but it was totally wrong. Not only that, but the explanation he later gave for the statement was wrong as well. He seemed to be very confident when he does not know anything about the subject. My question is why misguide and disappoint someone? If one does not know the subject, then they should state that it is their assumption. Jyotish on the other hand, is full of assumptions and we all know that and we all accept that. > > Thanks,> Devika> > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> Namaste all,> > Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had a very busy week at work and I am still working.> > This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or feminism. Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in fact, a rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially after the first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot have Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So that is not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what Prabodh said is simply incorrect. I can accept such> > Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego consciousness, which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as opposed being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is). Kundalini is normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo Linga. One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that encompasses one's body, name etc.> > At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But, as Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.> > In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male or female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very low levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower chakras). As self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's ego consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important is one's sex?> > In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis. However, one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make Kundalini rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc - there are so many paths.> > If you want to see the characteristics of one's consciousness, when it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness (corresponding to 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog between Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book that influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway, whether you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or Karma yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which can happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is different in different paths.> > In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of consciousness according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness reaching the highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is simply supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching Sahasrara. If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a woman?> > BTW, one more philosophical rambling:> > As we are born as human beings and blessed with some intellect, we should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying ourselves down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us further and further away from who we truly are. One's concept of "self" (ego) is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not, it is worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will slowly start making a difference.> > OK, good night now!> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > > > > Dear Jyothi and others,> > In reply to the question "Why awakening is impossible in women?", Prabodh wrote the following:> > "When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess." > > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible to buy his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think" or "I assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no Kundalini activation"> > It appeared that he had total confidence even though he knows nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is that before making such a radical remark, think millions of times. What does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat Babajaan, Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women? Normally I am a calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with this. His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all women is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is too short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the best out of this life time. You are not limited to anything. > > > > Regards,> > Devika.> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> > Dear Sir,> > > > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle women. But > > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion (which I > > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read the > > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in the net. If > > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some body had > > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it with more > > curiosity).> > > > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you might have some > > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance' and > > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel women are more > > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less dangerously than > > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong mental > > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).> > > > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to awaken > > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with female > > disciple does that mean women are not capable or permitted for KA? > > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their mental > > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please share. If > > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to various > > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in ones Goddess > > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the truth will, I > > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it can be a > > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.> > > > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be > > interesting to read the expirences."> > > > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with each person is > > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like, all men will > > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?> > If the net resources can be believed there are lot of articles by > > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read about it but > > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I will let you > > know. > > > > Thanks for your clarification.> > > > REgards,> > Jyothi.> > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande" > > <amolmandar> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste> > > > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did not > > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom I > > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are not > > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess. If > > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be > > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I have not > > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody knows such > > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much thankful.> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > Jai Jai Shankar> > > Har Har Shankar> > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear sir,> > > > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is impossible in > > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Jyothi> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande" > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste> > > > > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no > > > Kundalini > > > > > activation.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar> > > > > har Har Shankar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala > > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.> > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > Vishnu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "r_tv_99" > > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > respected gurus and members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed with respect > > to> > > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me whether the > > > > kundalini> > > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is only present > > > in > > > > > males?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tvr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 all,> Prabodh's statement was not taken as belittling women or sexism or feminism. It was not even taken as an insult, but it was totally wrong. Not only that, but the explanation he later gave for the statement was wrong as well. He seemed to be very confident when he does not know anything about the subject. My question is why misguide and disappoint someone? If one does not know the subject, then they should state that it is their assumption. Jyotish on the other hand, is full of assumptions and we all know that and we all accept that. > > Thanks,> Devika> > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> Namaste all,> > Let me make a few ramblings and then go back to work. I had a very busy week at work and I am still working.> > This is not an issue of belittling women or sexism or feminism. Kundalini activation does not make one a great person (in fact, a rising Kundalini makes one more and more humble, especially after the first few hurdles). If a particular group of people cannot have Kundalini activation, it is no big deal and not an insult. So that is not where I am coming from. But the bottomline is that what Prabodh said is simply incorrect. I can accept such> > Kundalini is nothing but the shakti of one's ego consciousness, which makes one think of oneself as a separate entity (as opposed being the supreme Brahman that everybody in reality is). Kundalini is normally in Mooladhara chakra and coils around Swayambhoo Linga. One's ego consciousness binds one to the idea of self that encompasses one's body, name etc.> > At this level, there is a difference based on the sex. But, as Kundalini rises and one's ego consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's sex is immaterial.> > In fact, soul has no sex. It is only the body that is male or female. And, one's ego consciousness is bound to body at very low levels of self-consciousness (i.e. Kundalini in lower chakras). As self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness, one's ego consciousness is no longer bound to body. Then how important is one's sex?> > In answer to Prabodh's point, women can be Hatha Yogis. However, one does not need hatha yoga to activate Kundalini or make Kundalini rise. Hatha yoga is but one path. Bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc - there are so many paths.> > If you want to see the characteristics of one's consciousness, when it is in the 14 different planes of consciousness (corresponding to 14 chakras and 14 lokas), read "Yoga Vaasishtham" (a dialog between Rama and Vasishtha that was described by Valmiki). It is a fascinating and masterly book. It is a masterpiece of Advaita philosophy. In fact, I haven't read a better book - or a book that influenced me more profoundly - in my life so far. Anyway, whether you are pursuing Raja yoga or Jnaana yoga or Bhakti yoga or Karma yoga or whatever, your Kundalini will rise only when your self-consciousness reaches higher planes of consciousness (which can happen in men and women). The way to make that happen is different in different paths.> > In fact, animals can also reach higher planes of consciousness according to Vasishtha and he gave an example where a bird got moksha. Moksha cannot come without self-consciousness reaching the highest plane of consciousness (i.e. consciousness that one is simply supreme Brahman and nothing else), i.e. Kundalini reaching Sahasrara. If Kundalini can reach Sahasrara in a bird, why not in a woman?> > BTW, one more philosophical rambling:> > As we are born as human beings and blessed with some intellect, we should try to understand "self" better, instead of tying ourselves down with nonsensical concepts of "self" that only take us further and further away from who we truly are. One's concept of "self" (ego) is what one truly believes one's "self" to be. By practice and conditioning, it can be altered. Whether one succeeds or not, it is worthwhile for every human being to ask oneself "who am I? What exactly is my "self"?" This may sound like a stupid question, but do ask yourself this question everyday and, believe me, it will slowly start making a difference.> > OK, good night now!> > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > > > > Dear Jyothi and others,> > In reply to the question "Why awakening is impossible in women?", Prabodh wrote the following:> > "When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did not mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom I met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are not allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess." > > Does Prabodh think that people are that much gullible to buy his story? It is his own idea. He should have wrote "I think" or "I assume", but instead he wrote: "Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no Kundalini activation"> > It appeared that he had total confidence even though he knows nothing about the subject. What I would like to say here is that before making such a radical remark, think millions of times. What does he think happened to Mira bai, Amritanandamayi, Hazrat Babajaan, Anandamayi Maa, etc? Were they all men and not women? Normally I am a calm person, but Prabodh has definately touched my nerve with this. His statement can mislead and disappoint women. My urge to all women is to continue on your earnest search for yourself. Life is too short. And not only that, but human life is rare. Make the best out of this life time. You are not limited to anything. > > > > Regards,> > Devika.> > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> > Dear Sir,> > > > It is understood that you didnt mean to belittle women. But > > I was thinking whether it was just your personal opinion (which I > > knew it is) or you had any scientific reason.I have read the > > experiences narrated by several women about their KA in the net. If > > my memory is correct, even in this group much earlier some body had > > written about that. (That was how I started reading of it with more > > curiosity).> > > > Since you said it so authentically, I thought you might have some > > reliable reason. If it is the problem of only "allowance' and > > not 'impossible' , then ok. Because personally I feel women are more > > capable of awakening Kundalini more quickly and less dangerously than > > men because of their inherent fine nature and strong mental > > faculties. (No controversy meant...plz).> > > > Also isnt Hatha yoga one among the sevaral methods to awaken > > Kundalini? Just because you havent met any Hatha yogi with female > > disciple does that mean women are not capable or permitted for KA? > > Those Hatha Yogis may be people scared of losing their mental > > control!! I dont find any other reason. If you know please share. If > > my understanding is correct Kundalini can awaken due to various > > reasons, without doing any yoga. Just intense faith in ones Goddess > > and above all the intense and genuine QUEST to know the truth will, I > > believe, lead one to such experiences. In this case it can be a > > spontaneous process. I hope I am right.> > > > "If anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be > > interesting to read the expirences."> > > > Regarding this, I feel the experiences of KA with each person is > > unique. It doesnt have anything to do with gender. Like, all men will > > feel like this and all women will like that. Am I correct?> > If the net resources can be believed there are lot of articles by > > women explaining their Kundalini experience. I had read about it but > > dont remember the site names. If I come across again I will let you > > know. > > > > Thanks for your clarification.> > > > REgards,> > Jyothi.> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande" > > <amolmandar> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Jyotiji & All Namaste> > > > > > When I said that women will not have kundalini activation I did not > > > mean to belittle them. I respect all women. All the people whom I > > > met who had Kundalini activation have told me that women are not > > > allowed into this. I never dared to ask why but I can guess. If > > > anybody has a case of woman kundalini activation it would be > > > interesting to read the expirences. Another point, I have not > > > read /met any Hatyogi with a female diciple. If anybody knows such > > > Hatyogi guru please let me know. I will be very much thankful.> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > Jai Jai Shankar> > > Har Har Shankar> > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear sir,> > > > > > > > Why do you say Kundalini activation is impossible in > > > > women? Can you please explain the reason for that?> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Jyothi> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Prabodh Vekhande" > > > > <amolmandar> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vishnu and TV Rao Namste> > > > > > > > > > Activation of Chakras in female body is possible but no > > > Kundalini > > > > > activation.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > > > Jai Jai Shankar> > > > > har Har Shankar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala > > > > > <jvishnu@g...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Rao garu,> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, kundalini sakti is present in women too.> > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > Vishnu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/6/05, r_tv_99 <tvrao_agd@s...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "r_tv_99" > > > > > <tvrao_agd@s...>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > respected gurus and members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > in this thread only male anatomy is discussed with respect > > to> > > > > > > kundalini. as a laymen, please enlighten me whether the > > > > kundalini> > > > > > > shakti is present in females or not? or it is only present > > > in > > > > > males?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tvr Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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