Re:To Visti :-Lagna Lord effects, apparent contradiction

>

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> Prashant Doshi [prashuastro@g...]

> 16 December 2005 04:56

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re:To ramesh, Rafal , Lagna lord

effects -

> apparent contradiction

>

> Dear Jyothi ji,

>

> One min this is confusing , u say that th e lagna lord where ever

it sits

> will improve the house , rite,

>

> then i have my LL sATURN SITTING IN THE 5TH , so u mean to say

that the

> fifith house becomes stronger which rules purva punnya, higher

education ,

> love life and children

>

> from all this

>

> 1) i have 3 major degrees, but i had alot of problems and breaks in

getting

> it , had to face a lot of problems .

>

> 2)i have a very very bad love life

>

> 3)Children i dont known but every one who see my chart says i will

have

> problem in having children , i am just married and my wife' bdate

is 8th

> sept 1975, bombay ,evening 05:30pm

>

> 4) I dont known how should i check Purva punnya

>

> the above r my experence

>

> the LL in the 5th has given me more hardship then Raj yoga ,why

>

> can u pls putt some light

>

> thanking you

>

> Regards

>

> Prashu

>

> On 12/16/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> The article which confused me is from www.sjc-

> serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html written by the person you

> mentioned (Visti Larzen).

>

> I had a notion as per many malayalam astrological books that Lagesha

> will strengthen the bhava in which it is placed (not taking into

> account the afflictions and other malefic influences).

>

> But according to this article, "All life must come from somewhere,

> and similarly the lagneça's placement in any bhäva will deprive that

> bhäva of the life-force and give it to the lagna.Just as the bhäva

> the planet is placed in, is deprived of its life-force, another

bhäva

> becomes more auspicious. Count from lagna lord back to the lagna -

> the resultant amount of signs will indicate the bhäva who prospers.

> Example: If lagneça is in the 5th house, the lagna is in the 9th

from

> the lagneça. This increases the prosperity of the 9th house, hence

> Päräçara states that not only will there be misfortune to children

if

> lagneça is in 5th house, but blessings from elders will also be

> there ".

>

> Contradictory to this, I have read the following from a site

> (http://www.urday.com/foreasc.htm).

>

> "`LORD OF ASCENDANT' ITS POSITION AND EFFECTS :

>

> 1) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the first house itself, which

is

> also considered as its own house, it is considered as most

auspicious

> situation and as a result, the native enjoys good health and long

> life, is the master of immovable properties like a king, gets

benefit

> from his wealth, and is very rich.

>

> 2) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the second house in the

> horoscope of a person, he is wealthy, enjoys a long life, and is

> little stocky and fleshy is also valiant and is ever ready to

> safeguard his religion according to the traditions.

>

> 3) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the third house in the

horoscope

> of a person, he has an association with friends i.e. never has

> disputes with his friends, is a protector and nurturer of religion

> and religiousness, is charitable, very brave and powerful.

>

> 4) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fourth house in the

> horoscope of a person, he is a favourite of the king, enjoys a long

> life, a devotee of his parents and eats very little food.

>

> 5) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fifth house in the

horoscope

> of a person, he has devotion towards the deities and his

forefathers,

> is charitable, rich and honourable. He enjoys a happy, contented

and

> long life by living piously and religiously.

>

> 6) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the sixth house in the

horoscope

> of a person, he is free from diseases, is the master of numerous and

> various kind of properties, is powerful, wealthy, a person of good

> conduct but a tight-fisted man.

>

> 7) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the seventh house in the

> horoscope of a person, he is full of radiance, but sorrowful is a

> husband of a nice, humble and obedient wife and is endowed with

> beauty.

>

> 8) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eighth house of the

> horoscope of a person, he is a tight-fisted, eveready in

accumulation

> of wealth and enjoys a long life. If the Lord of ascendant is an

> inauspicious planet, he has defect in one of his eyes. But if the

> Lord of ascendant is an auspicious planet, the person has a

pleasant,

> nice and gentle nature.

>

> 9) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the ninth house in the

horoscope

> of a person, he has numerous friends, is friendly towards the

> scholar, is humble, famous and full of radiance.

>

> 10) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the tenth house in the

> horoscope of a person, he gets benefit from the king, is a scholar,

> is humble, is in the service of the parents and teachers and become

> famous by the grace of the king.

>

> 11) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eleventh house in the

> horoscope of a person, he leads a happy and contented life, has

> children, is famous and a proud possessor of many vehicles and is

> powerful.

>

> 12) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the twelfth house in the

> horoscope of a person, his conducts are hard and rough, he is a

> sinner, a mean person, an arrogant, normally lives in a foreign

> country, and likes to help the poor people by feeding them."

>

> This is what confuses me. I have seen many charts which proves the

> above effects -that Lagna lord strengthens the bhave in which it is

> placed.

>

> I would like to know the experience of members according to their

> Lagna lord placement in thier charts, just to check the validity.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani"

> <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> >

> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> >

> > Dear Jyoti,

> > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses

owned

> are the

> > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for

> Lagna but

> > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not

so

> good for

> > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has

> covered

> > this subject well in his latest book.

> > Best Wishes,

> > Ramesh

> >

> > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects

> >

> > Dear sir,

> >

> > Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum,

do

> you

> > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children

> (assuming no

> > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such

> a case,

> > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is

> placed),

> > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can

> you make

> > that clear, if you dont mind please?

> >

> > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its

lord

> is in a

> > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed

> > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I

> have

> > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was

in

> some sjc

> > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava

> (depriving

> > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know

> which is

> > correct.

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Madam,

> > >

> > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should

> > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge.

> > >

> > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have

asked

> > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will

> give "mix"

> > reading. Good as well as bad,

> > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as

> per

> > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in

> case of my

> > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad

but

> 12th

> > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken

> care off.

> > >

> > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is

> > positioned and that the native will experience good results of

that

> bhava.

> > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.

> > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my

> > knowledge.

> > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short

dat

> > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of

> exaltation

> > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic

> and argala

> > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Troubled Soul.

> > >

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > Respected Sirs,

> > >

> > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a

> bhava

> > is

> > > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement

in

> > any

> > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to

> the

> > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune

> for

> > > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?

> > >

> > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the

> opposite.

> > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is

> > positioned

> > > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.

> > > Scholars please clarify.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

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December 16, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jyothi,

Namaskar

Fame comes

from the lagna being strong, this doesn’t make the bhava of lagnesh strong.

It means that you are TAKING someone elses fortune or life-force.

If that

bhava/person is themself very strong, then they can share more fame with you,

but this still will deprive them of their fame and fortune in the process.

Take the

chart of John Kerry. He has Scorpio Lagna, with Mars in the seventh house. His

first wife was the daughter of a very rich family, and this was a great help

for Mr. Kerry to pursue political connections. So here the spouse is furnishing

the base through which he gets fame. This also happened in his second marriage

where the wife spent huge ammounts of money on his presidential campaign. In

this case Mr. Kerry was lucky enough to be married to two rich ladies, but this

is due to a strong chandra-mangala yoga in the seventh, and not due to lagnesh

being there.

If instead

the lagnesh is in the seventh with malefic yogas, the native can torment the

spouse and even give her serious health problems.

Is this

abit clearer?

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16 December 2005 10:55

To:

[vedic astrology] Re:To

Visti :-Lagna Lord effects, apparent contradiction

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Dear Sir,

I

am sorry my doubt is not cleared yet. Instead more

confused. Your reply explains how Lagna lord's

placement affects

Lagna/ or the native's personality as you told, LL

in trine and

kendra will support lagna, in 4th will make one

famous through

knowledge, in 5 will make one famous through

children etc. All these

are how LL's placement affects lagna.

My doubt is specifically HOW WILL

LAGNA LORD'S PLACEMENT AFFECT

THE RESULTS OF A BHAVA IN WHICH IT IS PLACED which

otherwise would

have given good results according to malayalam

texts. It was your

article which I read from www.sjc-serbia.com/

english /

articles /lagnesha.html.

Keeping aside ALL the other conditions like karaka or arudha

badly placed etc, Will the lagna lord's placement

harm the effects of

the bhava as you wrote in the article? This is

which I would like to

get clarified. I hope you understood my doubt.

Now, your reply has confused me

again. Let me quote the text from

your article once again:

"All life must come from somewhere, and

similarly the lagneça's

placement in any bhäva will deprive that bhäva of

the life-force and

give it to the lagna.Just as the bhäva the planet

is placed in, is

deprived of its life-force, another bhäva becomes

more auspicious. "

If I compare this with what you have

replied just now, I feel they

now seems to imply two opposite effects. From your

reply below, I

understand, Lagna Lord gives good effect or

strengthens the bhava in

which it is placed. Because, if LL is in third, if

one will become

famous due to his coborns, that means it

strengthens the third bhava

which is the bhava of coborns (so it is not

depriving of the life

force. Am I right?). Again, if LL in 5th will

bring fame from

children implies children are successful and in

good position (again

against what you said in the article "will

cause misfortune to

children". Right?

Now which is correct? I am really confused.

Regards,

jyothi

vedic astrology,

"Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Prashu, Ramesh, Jyoti, Namaskar

>

> Noticed this post. I've written about this in

my book as Ramesh has

said,

> but you can also find an article on my

website, which i believe

Rafal has

> referred to. Nevertheless let me add some

points here.

>

> When the lagnesh is placed in a good bhava,

by this we mean good

bhava FROM

> THE LAGNA. The kendra/trikona are well placed

from the lagna, and

will thus

> support the lagnas agenda, especially if

lagnesh is there.

>

> So this is good for the LAGNA, but not

necessarily for the bhava it

is

> placed in.

>

> E.g. Jataka Parijata states that Lagnesh in

the fourth will give

fame

> through knowledge. Here the lagna is

benefitting and giving fame,

through

> the activity of the fourth house. Based on

this we can understand

that

> wherever the lagna lord is placed will give

fame through that

activity. If

> Lagnesh is in third house, then one may

become famous because of

ones

> brother, or sister.

>

> If Lagnesh is in the fifth house then fame

comes from

supporters/children.

> If this is reciprocated by the fifth lord

through Parivartana, Yuti,

> samdristi, etc, then it gives maharaja yoga.

>

> Any planet in any bhava is taking resources

from that bhava. If

planets are

> in lagna they are influencing the native to

make certain

decissions, i.e.

> ninth lord in lagna can make the person

follow the gurus/fathers

advise

> blindly, whilst third lord in lagna can make

one tempremental and

attached

> to brothers. If this planet is also lord of

an evil house, like

sixth or

> eighth, then alot of energy is spent on

protecting oneself from

diseases,

> which are spreading in the body.

>

> If the lord, karaka and arudha of the bhava

is also badly placed in

the

> process, then the bhava could die

prematurely. I hope this helps in

the

> understanding.

>

> Best wishes,

>

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> Prashant Doshi [prashuastro@g...]

> 16 December 2005 04:56

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re:To ramesh,

Rafal , Lagna lord

effects -

> apparent contradiction

>

> Dear Jyothi ji,

>

> One min this is confusing , u say that

th e lagna lord where ever

it sits

> will improve the house , rite,

>

> then i have my LL sATURN SITTING IN THE

5TH , so u mean to say

that the

> fifith house becomes stronger which rules

purva punnya, higher

education ,

> love life and children

>

> from all this

>

> 1) i have 3 major degrees, but i had alot of

problems and breaks in

getting

> it , had to face a lot of problems .

>

> 2)i have a very very bad love life

>

> 3)Children i dont known but every one who see

my chart says i will

have

> problem in having children , i am just

married and my wife' bdate

is 8th

> sept 1975, bombay ,evening 05:30pm

>

> 4) I dont known how should i check Purva

punnya

>

> the above r my experence

>

> the LL in the 5th has given me more

hardship then Raj yoga ,why

>

> can u pls putt some light

>

> thanking you

>

> Regards

>

> Prashu

>

> On 12/16/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi>

wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

>

The article which confused me is from www.sjc-

> serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html

written by the person you

> mentioned (Visti Larzen).

>

> I had a notion as per many malayalam astrological

books that Lagesha

> will strengthen the bhava in which it is

placed (not taking into

> account the afflictions and other malefic

influences).

>

> But according to this article, "All life

must come from somewhere,

> and similarly the lagneça's placement in any

bhäva will deprive that

> bhäva of the life-force and give it to the

lagna.Just as the bhäva

> the planet is placed in, is deprived of its

life-force, another

bhäva

> becomes more auspicious. Count from lagna

lord back to the lagna -

> the resultant amount of signs will indicate

the bhäva who prospers.

> Example: If lagneça is in the 5th house, the

lagna is in the 9th

from

> the lagneça. This increases the prosperity of

the 9th house, hence

> Päräçara states that not only will there be

misfortune to children

if

> lagneça is in 5th house, but blessings from

elders will also be

> there ".

>

> Contradictory to this, I have read the

following from a site

> (http://www.urday.com/foreasc.htm).

>

> "`LORD OF ASCENDANT' ITS POSITION AND EFFECTS :

>

> 1) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

first house itself, which

is

> also considered as its own house, it is

considered as most

auspicious

> situation and as a result, the native enjoys

good health and long

> life, is the master of immovable properties

like a king, gets

benefit

> from his wealth, and is very rich.

>

> 2) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

second house in the

> horoscope of a person, he is wealthy, enjoys

a long life, and is

> little stocky and fleshy is also valiant and

is ever ready to

> safeguard his religion according to the

traditions.

>

> 3) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

third house in the

horoscope

> of a person, he has an association with

friends i.e. never has

> disputes with his friends, is a protector and

nurturer of religion

> and religiousness, is charitable, very brave

and powerful.

>

> 4) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

fourth house in the

> horoscope of a person, he is a favourite of

the king, enjoys a long

> life, a devotee of his parents and eats very

little food.

>

> 5) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

fifth house in the

horoscope

> of a person, he has devotion towards the

deities and his

forefathers,

> is charitable, rich and honourable. He enjoys

a happy, contented

and

> long life by living piously and religiously.

>

> 6) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

sixth house in the

horoscope

> of a person, he is free from diseases, is the

master of numerous and

> various kind of properties, is powerful,

wealthy, a person of good

> conduct but a tight-fisted man.

>

> 7) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

seventh house in the

> horoscope of a person, he is full of radiance,

but sorrowful is a

> husband of a nice, humble and obedient wife

and is endowed with

> beauty.

>

> 8) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

eighth house of the

> horoscope of a person, he is a tight-fisted,

eveready in

accumulation

> of wealth and enjoys a long life. If the Lord

of ascendant is an

> inauspicious planet, he has defect in one of

his eyes. But if the

> Lord of ascendant is an auspicious planet,

the person has a

pleasant,

> nice and gentle nature.

>

> 9) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

ninth house in the

horoscope

> of a person, he has numerous friends, is

friendly towards the

> scholar, is humble, famous and full of

radiance.

>

> 10) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

tenth house in the

> horoscope of a person, he gets benefit from

the king, is a scholar,

> is humble, is in the service of the parents

and teachers and become

> famous by the grace of the king.

>

> 11) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

eleventh house in the

> horoscope of a person, he leads a happy and

contented life, has

> children, is famous and a proud possessor of

many vehicles and is

> powerful.

>

> 12) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

twelfth house in the

> horoscope of a person, his conducts are hard

and rough, he is a

> sinner, a mean person, an arrogant, normally

lives in a foreign

> country, and likes to help the poor people by

feeding them."

>

> This is what confuses me. I have seen many

charts which proves the

> above effects -that Lagna lord strengthens

the bhave in which it is

> placed.

>

> I would like to know the experience of

members according to their

> Lagna lord placement in thier charts, just to

check the validity.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> vedic astrology,

"Ramesh F. Gangaramani"

> <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> >

> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> >

> > Dear Jyoti,

> > Generally house of placement becomes the

resource and houses

owned

> are the

> > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in

5H (trine) is good for

> Lagna but

> > not so good for 5H matters like

children. Placement in 8H is not

so

> good for

> > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for

father. I think Visti has

> covered

> > this subject well in his latest book.

> > Best Wishes,

> > Ramesh

> >

> > [vedic astrology]

On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39

AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna

lord effects

> >

> > Dear sir,

> >

> > Thanks for the information.

But according to the first dictum,

do

> you

> > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause

misfortune to the children

> (assuming no

> > other affliction is there)? I

specifically wanted to know, in such

> a case,

> > where there is no affliction to the

5th(or any bhava where LL is

> placed),

> > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the

Lagna lord placement. Can

> you make

> > that clear, if you dont mind please?

> >

> > In your example

LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its

lord

> is in a

> > dusthana, but, the 12th house will

prosper because LL is placed

> > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am

I right? This is what I

> have

> > understood so far. But according to what

I read recently (it was

in

> some sjc

> > site), LL in 12th will destroy the

positive effects of 12th bhava

> (depriving

> > the life force). This is what confusing

me. I would like to know

> which is

> > correct.

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology,

Jyotish Learner

> > <vedicastro_mind> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Madam,

> > >

> > > Gr8 thread u have

started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should

> > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge.

> > >

> > > That is good thing u r studying

"bhava" well u should have

asked

> > the other way round bhava in general

cant be studied as it will

> give "mix"

> > reading. Good as well as bad,

> > > as for example if u see

Lagna lord in trine is always good as

> per

> > our classics but I say Lagna lord in

dusthana is also not bad in

> case of my

> > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is

going to settle abroad

but

> 12th

> > house also indicate some negative aspects

dat he should be taken

> care off.

> > >

> > > That the Lagna lord

strengthen's the bhava wherever it is

> > positioned and that the native will

experience good results of

that

> bhava.

> > But in dat particular dasha's and

bhukti's.

> > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not

scholar but this is as per my

> > knowledge.

> > > I feel this is true it

strengthen that bhava for sure short

dat

> > house becomes strong IF alone and in

friends house or house of

> exaltation

> > shouldnot debilated and exalted

and if not aspected by malefic

> and argala

> > is imp after all argals only yield the

fruit to the seed.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Troubled Soul.

> > >

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

<jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > Respected Sirs,

> > >

> >

> I would like to know if

the effect of Lagna lord in a

> bhava

> > is

> > > good or bad. I happened to read

that the lagna lord's placement

in

> > any

> > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of

the life-force and give it to

> the

> > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in

5th, it indicates misfortune

> for

> > > children (and ninth will prosper).

Is this correct?

> > >

> > > As per some malayalam books on

astrology, I have read the

> opposite.

> > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the

bhava wherever it is

> > positioned

> > > and that the native will experience

good results of that bhava.

> > > Scholars please clarify.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

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Dear visti,

I didnt get a precise answer to my question yet which

I had asked specifically. "WILL LAGNA LORD'S PLACEMENT HARM THE

RESULTS OF THAT BHAVA?".

If 'taking life force', whether it is wife's or children's, at the

end promotes the native, isnt that a positive effect? Now its

becoming LL in any bhava supports that bhava. Right?

Acc to your article, the children suffers but fortune is indicated

for father when LL is in 5th. Similarly, the effects of the bhava

suffers where LL is placed. That is what is said in the article.

But now what I come to understand from your replies is that LL

placement will give positive effects wrt that bhava or strengthens it

(irrespective of how it is done. I am just seeing the end result.

Hope I have not taken it wrongly.

Since in Kerry's eg, you said his fortune is because of

chandra mangal yoga, it cannot be taken as an example.

Regards,

Jyothi

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Jyothi, Namaskar

>

> Fame comes from the lagna being strong, this doesn't make the bhava

of

> lagnesh strong. It means that you are TAKING someone elses fortune

or

> life-force.

>

> If that bhava/person is themself very strong, then they can share

more fame

> with you, but this still will deprive them of their fame and

fortune in the

> process.

>

> Take the chart of John Kerry. He has Scorpio Lagna, with Mars in

the seventh

> house. His first wife was the daughter of a very rich family, and

this was a

> great help for Mr. Kerry to pursue political connections. So here

the spouse

> is furnishing the base through which he gets fame. This also

happened in his

> second marriage where the wife spent huge ammounts of money on his

> presidential campaign. In this case Mr. Kerry was lucky enough to

be married

> to two rich ladies, but this is due to a strong chandra-mangala

yoga in the

> seventh, and not due to lagnesh being there.

>

> If instead the lagnesh is in the seventh with malefic yogas, the

native can

> torment the spouse and even give her serious health problems.

>

> Is this abit clearer?

>

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> 16 December 2005 10:55

> [vedic astrology] Re:To Visti :-Lagna Lord effects,

apparent

> contradiction

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I am sorry my doubt is not cleared yet. Instead more

> confused. Your reply explains how Lagna lord's placement affects

> Lagna/ or the native's personality as you told, LL in trine and

> kendra will support lagna, in 4th will make one famous through

> knowledge, in 5 will make one famous through children etc. All

these

> are how LL's placement affects lagna.

>

> My doubt is specifically HOW WILL LAGNA LORD'S PLACEMENT AFFECT

> THE RESULTS OF A BHAVA IN WHICH IT IS PLACED which otherwise would

> have given good results according to malayalam texts. It was your

> article which I read from www.sjc-serbia.com/ english /

> articles /lagnesha.html.

>

> Keeping aside ALL the other conditions like karaka or arudha

> badly placed etc, Will the lagna lord's placement harm the effects

of

> the bhava as you wrote in the article? This is which I would like

to

> get clarified. I hope you understood my doubt.

>

> Now, your reply has confused me again. Let me quote the text

from

> your article once again:

>

> "All life must come from somewhere, and similarly the lagneça's

> placement in any bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force

and

> give it to the lagna.Just as the bhäva the planet is placed in, is

> deprived of its life-force, another bhäva becomes more auspicious. "

>

> If I compare this with what you have replied just now, I feel

they

> now seems to imply two opposite effects. From your reply below, I

> understand, Lagna Lord gives good effect or strengthens the bhava

in

> which it is placed. Because, if LL is in third, if one will become

> famous due to his coborns, that means it strengthens the third

bhava

> which is the bhava of coborns (so it is not depriving of the life

> force. Am I right?). Again, if LL in 5th will bring fame from

> children implies children are successful and in good position

(again

> against what you said in the article "will cause misfortune to

> children". Right?

>

> Now which is correct? I am really confused.

>

> Regards,

> jyothi

>

> vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Prashu, Ramesh, Jyoti, Namaskar

> >

> > Noticed this post. I've written about this in my book as Ramesh

has

> said,

> > but you can also find an article on my website, which i believe

> Rafal has

> > referred to. Nevertheless let me add some points here.

> >

> > When the lagnesh is placed in a good bhava, by this we mean good

> bhava FROM

> > THE LAGNA. The kendra/trikona are well placed from the lagna, and

> will thus

> > support the lagnas agenda, especially if lagnesh is there.

> >

> > So this is good for the LAGNA, but not necessarily for the bhava

it

> is

> > placed in.

> >

> > E.g. Jataka Parijata states that Lagnesh in the fourth will give

> fame

> > through knowledge. Here the lagna is benefitting and giving fame,

> through

> > the activity of the fourth house. Based on this we can understand

> that

> > wherever the lagna lord is placed will give fame through that

> activity. If

> > Lagnesh is in third house, then one may become famous because of

> ones

> > brother, or sister.

> >

> > If Lagnesh is in the fifth house then fame comes from

> supporters/children.

> > If this is reciprocated by the fifth lord through Parivartana,

Yuti,

> > samdristi, etc, then it gives maharaja yoga.

> >

> > Any planet in any bhava is taking resources from that bhava. If

> planets are

> > in lagna they are influencing the native to make certain

> decissions, i.e.

> > ninth lord in lagna can make the person follow the gurus/fathers

> advise

> > blindly, whilst third lord in lagna can make one tempremental and

> attached

> > to brothers. If this planet is also lord of an evil house, like

> sixth or

> > eighth, then alot of energy is spent on protecting oneself from

> diseases,

> > which are spreading in the body.

> >

> > If the lord, karaka and arudha of the bhava is also badly placed

in

> the

> > process, then the bhava could die prematurely. I hope this helps

in

> the

> > understanding.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

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> > Prashant Doshi [prashuastro@g...]

> > 16 December 2005 04:56

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re:To ramesh, Rafal , Lagna lord

> effects -

> > apparent contradiction

> >

> > Dear Jyothi ji,

> >

> > One min this is confusing , u say that th e lagna lord where

ever

> it sits

> > will improve the house , rite,

> >

> > then i have my LL sATURN SITTING IN THE 5TH , so u mean to say

> that the

> > fifith house becomes stronger which rules purva punnya, higher

> education ,

> > love life and children

> >

> > from all this

> >

> > 1) i have 3 major degrees, but i had alot of problems and breaks

in

> getting

> > it , had to face a lot of problems .

> >

> > 2)i have a very very bad love life

> >

> > 3)Children i dont known but every one who see my chart says i

will

> have

> > problem in having children , i am just married and my wife'

bdate

> is 8th

> > sept 1975, bombay ,evening 05:30pm

> >

> > 4) I dont known how should i check Purva punnya

> >

> > the above r my experence

> >

> > the LL in the 5th has given me more hardship then Raj yoga ,why

> >

> > can u pls putt some light

> >

> > thanking you

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Prashu

> >

> > On 12/16/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> >

> > The article which confused me is from www.sjc-

> > serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html written by the person

you

> > mentioned (Visti Larzen).

> >

> > I had a notion as per many malayalam astrological books that

Lagesha

> > will strengthen the bhava in which it is placed (not taking into

> > account the afflictions and other malefic influences).

> >

> > But according to this article, "All life must come from somewhere,

> > and similarly the lagneça's placement in any bhäva will deprive

that

> > bhäva of the life-force and give it to the lagna.Just as the bhäva

> > the planet is placed in, is deprived of its life-force, another

> bhäva

> > becomes more auspicious. Count from lagna lord back to the lagna -

> > the resultant amount of signs will indicate the bhäva who

prospers.

> > Example: If lagneça is in the 5th house, the lagna is in the 9th

> from

> > the lagneça. This increases the prosperity of the 9th house, hence

> > Päräçara states that not only will there be misfortune to

children

> if

> > lagneça is in 5th house, but blessings from elders will also be

> > there ".

> >

> > Contradictory to this, I have read the following from a site

> > (http://www.urday.com/foreasc.htm).

> >

> > "`LORD OF ASCENDANT' ITS POSITION AND EFFECTS :

> >

> > 1) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the first house itself,

which

> is

> > also considered as its own house, it is considered as most

> auspicious

> > situation and as a result, the native enjoys good health and long

> > life, is the master of immovable properties like a king, gets

> benefit

> > from his wealth, and is very rich.

> >

> > 2) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the second house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he is wealthy, enjoys a long life, and is

> > little stocky and fleshy is also valiant and is ever ready to

> > safeguard his religion according to the traditions.

> >

> > 3) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the third house in the

> horoscope

> > of a person, he has an association with friends i.e. never has

> > disputes with his friends, is a protector and nurturer of religion

> > and religiousness, is charitable, very brave and powerful.

> >

> > 4) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fourth house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he is a favourite of the king, enjoys a

long

> > life, a devotee of his parents and eats very little food.

> >

> > 5) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the fifth house in the

> horoscope

> > of a person, he has devotion towards the deities and his

> forefathers,

> > is charitable, rich and honourable. He enjoys a happy, contented

> and

> > long life by living piously and religiously.

> >

> > 6) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the sixth house in the

> horoscope

> > of a person, he is free from diseases, is the master of numerous

and

> > various kind of properties, is powerful, wealthy, a person of

good

> > conduct but a tight-fisted man.

> >

> > 7) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the seventh house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he is full of radiance, but sorrowful is a

> > husband of a nice, humble and obedient wife and is endowed with

> > beauty.

> >

> > 8) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eighth house of the

> > horoscope of a person, he is a tight-fisted, eveready in

> accumulation

> > of wealth and enjoys a long life. If the Lord of ascendant is an

> > inauspicious planet, he has defect in one of his eyes. But if the

> > Lord of ascendant is an auspicious planet, the person has a

> pleasant,

> > nice and gentle nature.

> >

> > 9) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the ninth house in the

> horoscope

> > of a person, he has numerous friends, is friendly towards the

> > scholar, is humble, famous and full of radiance.

> >

> > 10) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the tenth house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he gets benefit from the king, is a

scholar,

> > is humble, is in the service of the parents and teachers and

become

> > famous by the grace of the king.

> >

> > 11) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the eleventh house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he leads a happy and contented life, has

> > children, is famous and a proud possessor of many vehicles and is

> > powerful.

> >

> > 12) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the twelfth house in the

> > horoscope of a person, his conducts are hard and rough, he is a

> > sinner, a mean person, an arrogant, normally lives in a foreign

> > country, and likes to help the poor people by feeding them."

> >

> > This is what confuses me. I have seen many charts which proves the

> > above effects -that Lagna lord strengthens the bhave in which it

is

> > placed.

> >

> > I would like to know the experience of members according to their

> > Lagna lord placement in thier charts, just to check the validity.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani"

> > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> > >

> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > >

> > > Dear Jyoti,

> > > Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses

> owned

> > are the

> > > agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for

> > Lagna but

> > > not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is

not

> so

> > good for

> > > longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti

has

> > covered

> > > this subject well in his latest book.

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Ramesh

> > >

> > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the information. But according to the first

dictum,

> do

> > you

> > > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children

> > (assuming no

> > > other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in

such

> > a case,

> > > where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL

is

> > placed),

> > > will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement.

Can

> > you make

> > > that clear, if you dont mind please?

> > >

> > > In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its

> lord

> > is in a

> > > dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed

> > > there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I

> > have

> > > understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it

was

> in

> > some sjc

> > > site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th

bhava

> > (depriving

> > > the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know

> > which is

> > > correct.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > jyothi

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner

> > > <vedicastro_mind> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Madam,

> > > >

> > > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should

> > > contiribute to incresae our knolwedge.

> > > >

> > > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have

> asked

> > > the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will

> > give "mix"

> > > reading. Good as well as bad,

> > > > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good

as

> > per

> > > our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in

> > case of my

> > > friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad

> but

> > 12th

> > > house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be

taken

> > care off.

> > > >

> > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is

> > > positioned and that the native will experience good results of

> that

> > bhava.

> > > But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.

> > > > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per

my

> > > knowledge.

> > > > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short

> dat

> > > house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of

> > exaltation

> > > shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic

> > and argala

> > > is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Troubled Soul.

> > > >

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > Respected Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a

> > bhava

> > > is

> > > > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's

placement

> in

> > > any

> > > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to

> > the

> > > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates

misfortune

> > for

> > > > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?

> > > >

> > > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the

> > opposite.

> > > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is

> > > positioned

> > > > and that the native will experience good results of that

bhava.

> > > > Scholars please clarify.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

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The bhava

where lagnesh is will damage that bhava, unless it is its own bhava.

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16 December 2005 13:00

[vedic astrology] Re:To

Visti :-Lagna Lord effects, apparent contradiction

12.0pt">

Dear visti,

I didnt get a precise answer to my question yet which

I had asked specifically. "WILL LAGNA LORD'S

PLACEMENT HARM THE

RESULTS OF THAT BHAVA?".

If 'taking life force', whether it is

wife's or children's, at the

end promotes the native, isnt that a positive

effect? Now its

becoming LL in any bhava supports that bhava.

Right?

Acc to your article, the children suffers

but fortune is indicated

for father when LL is in 5th. Similarly, the

effects of the bhava

suffers where LL is placed. That is what is said

in the article.

But now what I come to understand

from your replies is that LL

placement will give positive effects wrt that

bhava or strengthens it

(irrespective of how it is done. I am just seeing

the end result.

Hope I have not taken it wrongly.

Since in

Kerry's eg, you said his fortune is because of

chandra mangal yoga, it cannot be taken as an

example.

Regards,

Jyothi

vedic astrology,

"Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Jyothi, Namaskar

>

> Fame comes from the lagna being strong, this

doesn't make the bhava

of

> lagnesh strong. It means that you are TAKING

someone elses fortune

or

> life-force.

>

> If that bhava/person is themself very strong,

then they can share

more fame

> with you, but this still will deprive them of

their fame and

fortune in the

> process.

>

> Take the chart of John Kerry. He has Scorpio

Lagna, with Mars in

the seventh

> house. His first wife was the daughter of a

very rich family, and

this was a

> great help for Mr. Kerry to pursue political

connections. So here

the spouse

> is furnishing the base through which he gets

fame. This also

happened in his

> second marriage where the wife spent huge

ammounts of money on his

> presidential campaign. In this case Mr. Kerry

was lucky enough to

be married

> to two rich ladies, but this is due to a

strong chandra-mangala

yoga in the

> seventh, and not due to lagnesh being there.

>

> If instead the lagnesh is in the seventh with

malefic yogas, the

native can

> torment the spouse and even give her serious

health problems.

>

> Is this abit clearer?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com or

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

[jyothi_b_lakshmi]

> 16 December 2005 10:55

> [vedic astrology] Re:To Visti

:-Lagna Lord effects,

apparent

> contradiction

>

> Dear Sir,

>

I am sorry my doubt is not cleared yet. Instead more

> confused. Your reply explains how Lagna

lord's placement affects

> Lagna/ or the native's personality as you

told, LL in trine and

> kendra will support lagna, in 4th will make

one famous through

> knowledge, in 5 will make one famous through

children etc. All

these

> are how LL's placement affects lagna.

>

> My doubt is specifically

HOW WILL LAGNA LORD'S PLACEMENT AFFECT

> THE RESULTS OF A BHAVA IN WHICH IT IS PLACED

which otherwise would

> have given good results according to

malayalam texts. It was your

> article which I read from www.sjc-serbia.com/

english /

> articles /lagnesha.html.

>

> Keeping aside ALL the other conditions like karaka or arudha

> badly placed etc, Will the lagna lord's

placement harm the effects

of

> the bhava as you wrote in the article? This

is which I would like

to

> get clarified. I hope you understood my

doubt.

>

> Now, your reply has

confused me again. Let me quote the text

from

> your article once again:

>

> "All life must come from somewhere, and

similarly the lagneça's

> placement in any bhäva will deprive that

bhäva of the life-force

and

> give it to the lagna.Just as the bhäva the

planet is placed in, is

> deprived of its life-force, another bhäva

becomes more auspicious. "

>

> If I compare this with what you

have replied just now, I feel

they

> now seems to imply two opposite effects. From

your reply below, I

> understand, Lagna Lord gives good effect or

strengthens the bhava

in

> which it is placed. Because, if LL is in

third, if one will become

> famous due to his coborns, that means it

strengthens the third

bhava

> which is the bhava of coborns (so it is not

depriving of the life

> force. Am I right?). Again, if LL in 5th will

bring fame from

> children implies children are successful and

in good position

(again

> against what you said in the article

"will cause misfortune to

> children". Right?

>

> Now which is correct? I am really

confused.

>

> Regards,

> jyothi

>

> vedic astrology,

"Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Prashu, Ramesh, Jyoti, Namaskar

> >

> > Noticed this post. I've written about

this in my book as Ramesh

has

> said,

> > but you can also find an article on my

website, which i believe

> Rafal has

> > referred to. Nevertheless let me add

some points here.

> >

> > When the lagnesh is placed in a good

bhava, by this we mean good

> bhava FROM

> > THE LAGNA. The kendra/trikona are well

placed from the lagna, and

> will thus

> > support the lagnas agenda, especially if

lagnesh is there.

> >

> > So this is good for the LAGNA, but not

necessarily for the bhava

it

> is

> > placed in.

> >

> > E.g. Jataka Parijata states that Lagnesh

in the fourth will give

> fame

> > through knowledge. Here the lagna is

benefitting and giving fame,

> through

> > the activity of the fourth house. Based

on this we can understand

> that

> > wherever the lagna lord is placed will

give fame through that

> activity. If

> > Lagnesh is in third house, then one may

become famous because of

> ones

> > brother, or sister.

> >

> > If Lagnesh is in the fifth house then

fame comes from

> supporters/children.

> > If this is reciprocated by the fifth

lord through Parivartana,

Yuti,

> > samdristi, etc, then it gives maharaja

yoga.

> >

> > Any planet in any bhava is taking

resources from that bhava. If

> planets are

> > in lagna they are influencing the native

to make certain

> decissions, i.e.

> > ninth lord in lagna can make the person

follow the gurus/fathers

> advise

> > blindly, whilst third lord in lagna can

make one tempremental and

> attached

> > to brothers. If this planet is also lord

of an evil house, like

> sixth or

> > eighth, then alot of energy is spent on

protecting oneself from

> diseases,

> > which are spreading in the body.

> >

> > If the lord, karaka and arudha of the

bhava is also badly placed

in

> the

> > process, then the bhava could die

prematurely. I hope this helps

in

> the

> > understanding.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com or

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> > http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Prashant Doshi

[prashuastro@g...]

> > 16 December 2005 04:56

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re:To

ramesh, Rafal , Lagna lord

> effects -

> > apparent contradiction

> >

> > Dear Jyothi ji,

> >

> > One min this is confusing , u say

that th e lagna lord where

ever

> it sits

> > will improve the house , rite,

> >

> > then i have my LL sATURN SITTING

IN THE 5TH , so u mean to say

> that the

> > fifith house becomes stronger which

rules purva punnya, higher

> education ,

> > love life and children

> >

> > from all this

> >

> > 1) i have 3 major degrees, but i had

alot of problems and breaks

in

> getting

> > it , had to face a lot of problems .

> >

> > 2)i have a very very bad love life

> >

> > 3)Children i dont known but every one

who see my chart says i

will

> have

> > problem in having children , i am just

married and my wife'

bdate

> is 8th

> > sept 1975, bombay ,evening 05:30pm

> >

> > 4) I dont known how should i check Purva

punnya

> >

> > the above r my experence

> >

> > the LL in the 5th has given me

more hardship then Raj yoga ,why

> >

> > can u pls putt some light

> >

> > thanking you

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Prashu

> >

> > On 12/16/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi

<jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> >

>

> The

article which confused me is from www.sjc-

> >

serbia.com/english/articles/lagnesha.html written by the person

you

> > mentioned (Visti Larzen).

> >

> > I had a notion as per many malayalam

astrological books that

Lagesha

> > will strengthen the bhava in which it is

placed (not taking into

> > account the afflictions and other

malefic influences).

> >

> > But according to this article, "All

life must come from somewhere,

> > and similarly the lagneça's placement in

any bhäva will deprive

that

> > bhäva of the life-force and give it to

the lagna.Just as the bhäva

> > the planet is placed in, is deprived of

its life-force, another

> bhäva

> > becomes more auspicious. Count from

lagna lord back to the lagna -

> > the resultant amount of signs will indicate

the bhäva who

prospers.

> > Example: If lagneça is in the 5th house,

the lagna is in the 9th

> from

> > the lagneça. This increases the

prosperity of the 9th house, hence

> > Päräçara states that not only will there

be misfortune to

children

> if

> > lagneça is in 5th house, but blessings

from elders will also be

> > there ".

> >

> > Contradictory to this, I have read the

following from a site

> > (http://www.urday.com/foreasc.htm).

> >

> > "`LORD OF ASCENDANT' ITS POSITION AND EFFECTS :

> >

> > 1) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

first house itself,

which

> is

> > also considered as its own house, it is

considered as most

> auspicious

> > situation and as a result, the native

enjoys good health and long

> > life, is the master of immovable

properties like a king, gets

> benefit

> > from his wealth, and is very rich.

> >

> > 2) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

second house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he is wealthy,

enjoys a long life, and is

> > little stocky and fleshy is also valiant

and is ever ready to

> > safeguard his religion according to the

traditions.

> >

> > 3) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

third house in the

> horoscope

> > of a person, he has an association with

friends i.e. never has

> > disputes with his friends, is a

protector and nurturer of religion

> > and religiousness, is charitable, very

brave and powerful.

> >

> > 4) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

fourth house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he is a favourite

of the king, enjoys a

long

> > life, a devotee of his parents and eats

very little food.

> >

> > 5) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

fifth house in the

> horoscope

> > of a person, he has devotion towards the

deities and his

> forefathers,

> > is charitable, rich and honourable. He

enjoys a happy, contented

> and

> > long life by living piously and

religiously.

> >

> > 6) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

sixth house in the

> horoscope

> > of a person, he is free from diseases,

is the master of numerous

and

> > various kind of properties, is powerful,

wealthy, a person of

good

> > conduct but a tight-fisted man.

> >

> > 7) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

seventh house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he is full of

radiance, but sorrowful is a

> > husband of a nice, humble and obedient

wife and is endowed with

> > beauty.

> >

> > 8) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

eighth house of the

> > horoscope of a person, he is a

tight-fisted, eveready in

> accumulation

> > of wealth and enjoys a long life. If the

Lord of ascendant is an

> > inauspicious planet, he has defect in

one of his eyes. But if the

> > Lord of ascendant is an auspicious

planet, the person has a

> pleasant,

> > nice and gentle nature.

> >

> > 9) If the Lord of ascendant occupies the

ninth house in the

> horoscope

> > of a person, he has numerous friends, is

friendly towards the

> > scholar, is humble, famous and full of

radiance.

> >

> > 10) If the Lord of ascendant occupies

the tenth house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he gets benefit

from the king, is a

scholar,

> > is humble, is in the service of the

parents and teachers and

become

> > famous by the grace of the king.

> >

> > 11) If the Lord of ascendant occupies

the eleventh house in the

> > horoscope of a person, he leads a happy

and contented life, has

> > children, is famous and a proud

possessor of many vehicles and is

> > powerful.

> >

> > 12) If the Lord of ascendant occupies

the twelfth house in the

> > horoscope of a person, his conducts are

hard and rough, he is a

> > sinner, a mean person, an arrogant,

normally lives in a foreign

> > country, and likes to help the poor

people by feeding them."

> >

> > This is what confuses me. I have seen

many charts which proves the

> > above effects -that Lagna lord

strengthens the bhave in which it

is

> > placed.

> >

> > I would like to know the experience of

members according to their

> > Lagna lord placement in thier charts,

just to check the validity.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology,

"Ramesh F. Gangaramani"

> > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> > >

> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > >

> > > Dear Jyoti,

> > > Generally house of placement

becomes the resource and houses

> owned

> > are the

> > > agenda of the planet. Placement of

LL in 5H (trine) is good for

> > Lagna but

> > > not so good for 5H matters like

children. Placement in 8H is

not

> so

> > good for

> > > longevity, in 9H may not be so good

for father. I think Visti

has

> > covered

> > > this subject well in his latest

book.

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Ramesh

> > >

> > >

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > Thursday, December 15, 2005

2:39 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re:

Lagna lord effects

> > >

> > > Dear sir,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the

information. But according to the first

dictum,

> do

> > you

> > > feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause

misfortune to the children

> > (assuming no

> > > other affliction is there)? I

specifically wanted to know, in

such

> > a case,

> > > where there is no affliction to the

5th(or any bhava where LL

is

> > placed),

> > > will that bhava prosper or suffer

by the Lagna lord placement.

Can

> > you make

> > > that clear, if you dont mind

please?

> > >

> > > In your

example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its

> lord

> > is in a

> > > dusthana, but, the 12th house will

prosper because LL is placed

> > > there(assuming no other

afflictions). Am I right? This is what I

> > have

> > > understood so far. But according to

what I read recently (it

was

> in

> > some sjc

> > > site), LL in 12th will destroy the

positive effects of 12th

bhava

> > (depriving

> > > the life force). This is what

confusing me. I would like to know

> > which is

> > > correct.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > jyothi

> > >

> > > --- In

vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner

> > > <vedicastro_mind> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Madam,

> > > >

> > > > Gr8 thread u have

started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should

> > > contiribute to incresae our

knolwedge.

> > > >

> > > > That is good thing u r

studying "bhava" well u should have

> asked

> > > the other way round bhava in

general cant be studied as it will

> > give "mix"

> > > reading. Good as well as bad,

> > > > as for example if

u see Lagna lord in trine is always good

as

> > per

> > > our classics but I say Lagna lord

in dusthana is also not bad in

> > case of my

> > > friend LL is in 12th dats the case

he is going to settle abroad

> but

> > 12th

> > > house also indicate some negative

aspects dat he should be

taken

> > care off.

> > > >

> > > > That the Lagna

lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is

> > > positioned and that the native will

experience good results of

> that

> > bhava.

> > > But in dat particular dasha's and

bhukti's.

> > > > Scholars please clarify ,I am

not scholar but this is as per

my

> > > knowledge.

> > > > I feel this is

true it strengthen that bhava for sure short

> dat

> > > house becomes strong IF alone and

in friends house or house of

> > exaltation

> > > shouldnot debilated and

exalted and if not aspected by malefic

> > and argala

> > > is imp after all argals only yield

the fruit to the seed.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Troubled Soul.

> > > >

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

<jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > Respected Sirs,

> > > >

> > >

> I would like to know if

the effect of Lagna lord in a

> > bhava

> > > is

> > > > good or bad. I happened to

read that the lagna lord's

placement

> in

> > > any

> > > > bhäva will deprive that bhäva

of the life-force and give it to

> > the

> > > > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord

is in 5th, it indicates

misfortune

> > for

> > > > children (and ninth will

prosper). Is this correct?

> > > >

> > > > As per some malayalam books on

astrology, I have read the

> > opposite.

> > > > That the Lagna lord

strengthen's the bhava wherever it is

> > > positioned

> > > > and that the native will

experience good results of that

bhava.

> > > > Scholars please clarify.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

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Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear

Visti,

Namaste

10.0pt">>

>

If that bhava/person is themself very strong, then they can share

more

fame with you, but this still will deprive them of their fame and

fortune

in the process.

How does

this Bhava gain strength without a graha?

Love,

Swee

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If the lord of any house is strong ,well placed,

exalted and with friendly planets, then the house it

owns also gets strengthened.

So used to say my Guru.

Tatvam-Asi

--- Swee Chan <swee wrote:

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> Namaste

>

> >

> > If that bhava/person is themself very strong, then

> they can share

> more fame with you, but this still will deprive them

> of their fame and

> fortune in the process.

>

> How does this Bhava gain strength without a graha?

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Swee,

Namaskar

This is

why Parasara says: Planets in own sign or exaltation will not damage the bhava.

Best

wishes,

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16 December 2005 15:48

To:

RE: [vedic astrology]

Re:To Visti :-Lagna Lord effects, apparent contradiction

12.0pt">

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear

Visti,

Namaste

>

> If that bhava/person is themself very strong,

then they can share

more fame with you, but this still will deprive

them of their fame and

fortune in the process.

How does

this Bhava gain strength without a graha?

Love,

Swee

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Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear

Visti,

Namaste

Jyotisharnava

Navanitam in Siva’s conversation with Parvati might also have a similar sloka.

Sorry I cannot quote from it as I am currently out of town.

Thanks so

much.

Love,

Swee

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Friday, December 16, 2005

9:04 PM

RE: [vedic astrology]

Re:To Visti :-Lagna Lord effects, apparent contradiction

12.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Swee, Namaskar

This is

why Parasara says: Planets in own sign or exaltation will not damage the bhava.

Best

wishes,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Swee Chan

[swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm]

16 December 2005 15:48