Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 pls dont mind i ask as i am just learning regards Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Prashant, In case of parivartana the planets are like in their own house and hence unlikely to harm the house of placement. Parivartana between in 1L and 5L is also a rajayoga. All this if seen in isolation. The impact of other placements need to keep in my mind. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant DoshiThursday, December 15, 2005 8:49 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear Ramesh ji, Yes , the ll in the fifith is considered good, but what about if it is in parivartane state check this 10th march 1974 bombay,06:30am morning regards Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Jyoti,Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna butnot so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good forlongevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered this subject well in his latest book.Best Wishes,Ramesh-----Original Message-----vedic astrology[ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear sir,Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do youfeel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming noother affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed),will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you makethat clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placedthere(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I haveunderstood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjcsite), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(deprivingthe life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which iscorrect.Regards,jyothi--- In vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner<vedicastro_mind> wrote:>> Namaste Madam,>> Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus shouldcontiribute to incresae our knolwedge. >> That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have askedthe other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix"reading. Good as well as bad,> as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of myfriend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12thhouse also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. >> That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.> Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my knowledge.> I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dathouse becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltationshouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.>> Regards,> Troubled Soul.>>>>> jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> Respected Sirs, >> I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhavais> good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement inany> bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for> children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?>> As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite.> That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned> and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.> Scholars please clarify.>>> Regards,> Jyothi >>>>>>> >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... >> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||>>>> > ! 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prashu, Namaskar Ketu is also grhakaraka and will bring marriage for the sake of having a family/children. So ketu in the fifth need not cause seperation from children. Whenever we wanto see our sambandha with anyone in this world, check the lordship from the karaka. E.g. for children see the fifth lord from Jupiter. Any dosha on this graha will cause separation from the children. If this dosha is involved with the lord of seventh from Venus, then the separation will also be from spouse. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Jyotish Learner [vedicastro_mind ] 16 December 2005 08:37 To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Dear Sir, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">I am not that learned one but one note is that Ketu represents denial its presence in 5th says about denial of children however one must also look at 5th Lord and aspects of planets on it. 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Regards, 12.0pt">Jyotish Learner. 12.0pt"> Prashant Doshi <prashuastro > wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 12.0pt">Respected Ramesh ji, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> one question , does ketu in the fifith diney children, or is it that due to traveling for my job or work related which keep me away from my kids??? 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat 12.0pt"> Dear Prashant, Rajayoga is formed here too and will give its results. 5H issues however can be impacted by placement of Ketu, probably having to stay away from children. Best Wishes, bold">Ramesh 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Tahoma"> vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant Doshi Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:22 PM font-family:Tahoma"> vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Dear Ramesh ji, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Then in the case given , does it not form a raj yoga ????, what other effects should i consider . i mean which angle should i look in 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">pls dont mind i ask as i am just learning 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">regards 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat 12.0pt"> Dear Prashant, In case of parivartana the planets are like in their own house and hence unlikely to harm the house of placement. Parivartana between in 1L and 5L is also a rajayoga. All this if seen in isolation. The impact of other placements need to keep in my mind. Best Wishes, bold">Ramesh 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant Doshi Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:49 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects 12.0pt">Dear Ramesh ji, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Yes , the ll in the fifith is considered good, but what about if it is in parivartane state 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> check this 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">10th march 1974 bombay,06:30am morning 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">regards 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Jyoti, Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered this subject well in his latest book. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear sir, Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do you feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming no other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed), will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you make that clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I have understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjc site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(depriving the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which is correct. Regards, jyothi vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > Namaste Madam, > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix" reading. Good as well as bad, > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of my friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12th house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is positioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my knowledge. > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltation shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > Regards, > Troubled Soul. > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > Respected Sirs, > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhava is > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in any > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct? > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is positioned > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > Scholars please clarify. > > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namaskar My comment was based on Saturn, Ketu conjunction in 5H in his chart. How would this conjunction work? Honestly I didn't check 5L from Jupiter which is mercury and well placed with Jupiter and Sun in lagna. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSaturday, December 17, 2005 4:08 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prashu, Namaskar Ketu is also grhakaraka and will bring marriage for the sake of having a family/children. So ketu in the fifth need not cause seperation from children. Whenever we wanto see our sambandha with anyone in this world, check the lordship from the karaka. E.g. for children see the fifth lord from Jupiter. Any dosha on this graha will cause separation from the children. If this dosha is involved with the lord of seventh from Venus, then the separation will also be from spouse. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Jyotish Learner [vedicastro_mind ] 16 December 2005 08:37vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) Dear Sir, I am not that learned one but one note is that Ketu represents denial its presence in 5th says about denial of children however one must also look at 5th Lord and aspects of planets on it. Regards, Jyotish Learner. Prashant Doshi <prashuastro > wrote: Respected Ramesh ji, one question , does ketu in the fifith diney children, or is it that due to traveling for my job or work related which keep me away from my kids??? On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Prashant, Rajayoga is formed here too and will give its results. 5H issues however can be impacted by placement of Ketu, probably having to stay away from children. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant DoshiThursday, December 15, 2005 10:22 PM vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear Ramesh ji, Then in the case given , does it not form a raj yoga ????, what other effects should i consider . i mean which angle should i look in pls dont mind i ask as i am just learning regards Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Prashant, In case of parivartana the planets are like in their own house and hence unlikely to harm the house of placement. Parivartana between in 1L and 5L is also a rajayoga. All this if seen in isolation. The impact of other placements need to keep in my mind. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant DoshiThursday, December 15, 2005 8:49 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear Ramesh ji, Yes , the ll in the fifith is considered good, but what about if it is in parivartane state check this 10th march 1974 bombay,06:30am morning regards Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Jyoti,Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna butnot so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good forlongevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered this subject well in his latest book.Best Wishes,Ramesh vedic astrology[ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear sir,Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do youfeel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming noother affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed),will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you makethat clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placedthere(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I haveunderstood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjcsite), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(deprivingthe life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which iscorrect.Regards,jyothivedic astrology, Jyotish Learner<vedicastro_mind> wrote:>> Namaste Madam,>> Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus shouldcontiribute to incresae our knolwedge. >> That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have askedthe other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix"reading. Good as well as bad,> as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of myfriend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12thhouse also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. >> That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.> Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my knowledge.> I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dathouse becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltationshouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.>> Regards,> Troubled Soul.>>>>> jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> Respected Sirs, >> I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhavais> good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement inany> bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for> children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?>> As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite.> That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned> and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.> Scholars please clarify.>>> Regards,> Jyothi >>>>>>> >> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 Dear Ramesh, Saturn joined the nodes gives problems frompretas - deceased people, usually from our family. It is in fifth house so it will influence Chitta. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Ramesh F. Gangaramani vedic astrology Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:17 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namaskar My comment was based on Saturn, Ketu conjunction in 5H in his chart. How would this conjunction work? Honestly I didn't check 5L from Jupiter which is mercury and well placed with Jupiter and Sun in lagna. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSaturday, December 17, 2005 4:08 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prashu, Namaskar Ketu is also grhakaraka and will bring marriage for the sake of having a family/children. So ketu in the fifth need not cause seperation from children. Whenever we wanto see our sambandha with anyone in this world, check the lordship from the karaka. E.g. for children see the fifth lord from Jupiter. Any dosha on this graha will cause separation from the children. If this dosha is involved with the lord of seventh from Venus, then the separation will also be from spouse. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Jyotish Learner [vedicastro_mind ] 16 December 2005 08:37vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) Dear Sir, I am not that learned one but one note is that Ketu represents denial its presence in 5th says about denial of children however one must also look at 5th Lord and aspects of planets on it. Regards, Jyotish Learner. Prashant Doshi <prashuastro > wrote: Respected Ramesh ji, one question , does ketu in the fifith diney children, or is it that due to traveling for my job or work related which keep me away from my kids??? On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Prashant, Rajayoga is formed here too and will give its results. 5H issues however can be impacted by placement of Ketu, probably having to stay away from children. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant DoshiThursday, December 15, 2005 10:22 PM vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear Ramesh ji, Then in the case given , does it not form a raj yoga ????, what other effects should i consider . i mean which angle should i look in pls dont mind i ask as i am just learning regards Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Prashant, In case of parivartana the planets are like in their own house and hence unlikely to harm the house of placement. Parivartana between in 1L and 5L is also a rajayoga. All this if seen in isolation. The impact of other placements need to keep in my mind. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant DoshiThursday, December 15, 2005 8:49 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear Ramesh ji, Yes , the ll in the fifith is considered good, but what about if it is in parivartane state check this 10th march 1974 bombay,06:30am morning regards Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Jyoti,Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna butnot so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good forlongevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered this subject well in his latest book.Best Wishes,Ramesh vedic astrology[ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear sir,Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do youfeel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming noother affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed),will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you makethat clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placedthere(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I haveunderstood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjcsite), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(deprivingthe life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which iscorrect.Regards,jyothivedic astrology, Jyotish Learner<vedicastro_mind> wrote:>> Namaste Madam,>> Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus shouldcontiribute to incresae our knolwedge. >> That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have askedthe other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix"reading. Good as well as bad,> as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of myfriend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12thhouse also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. >> That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's.> Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my knowledge.> I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dathouse becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltationshouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed.>> Regards,> Troubled Soul.>>>>> jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:> Respected Sirs, >> I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhavais> good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement inany> bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for> children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct?>> As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite.> That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it ispositioned> and that the native will experience good results of that bhava.> Scholars please clarify.>>> Regards,> Jyothi >>>>>>> >> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramesh, Namaskar Here the fifth house from jupiter itself is joined Saturn and debilitated Ketu. This will be the cause of separation and will be temporary only. Now see that this is also the tenth house from the Moon, so its due to job-requirements. The parivartana is helping his career take off, but unfortunately is causing the separation from children as well. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com bookman;color:#993366"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramesh F. Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 17 December 2005 15:18 To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) 12.0pt"> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat 12.0pt"> Dear Visti, Namaskar My comment was based on Saturn, Ketu conjunction in 5H in his chart. How would this conjunction work? Honestly I didn't check 5L from Jupiter which is mercury and well placed with Jupiter and Sun in lagna. Best Wishes, bold">Ramesh 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> vedic astrology [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:08 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prashu, Namaskar Ketu is also grhakaraka and will bring marriage for the sake of having a family/children. So ketu in the fifth need not cause seperation from children. Whenever we wanto see our sambandha with anyone in this world, check the lordship from the karaka. E.g. for children see the fifth lord from Jupiter. Any dosha on this graha will cause separation from the children. If this dosha is involved with the lord of seventh from Venus, then the separation will also be from spouse. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Jyotish Learner [vedicastro_mind ] 16 December 2005 08:37 vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Dear Sir, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">I am not that learned one but one note is that Ketu represents denial its presence in 5th says about denial of children however one must also look at 5th Lord and aspects of planets on it. 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Regards, 12.0pt">Jyotish Learner. 12.0pt"> Prashant Doshi <prashuastro > wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> 12.0pt">Respected Ramesh ji, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> one question , does ketu in the fifith diney children, or is it that due to traveling for my job or work related which keep me away from my kids??? 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat 12.0pt"> Dear Prashant, Rajayoga is formed here too and will give its results. 5H issues however can be impacted by placement of Ketu, probably having to stay away from children. Best Wishes, bold">Ramesh 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Tahoma"> vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant Doshi Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:22 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Dear Ramesh ji, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Then in the case given , does it not form a raj yoga ????, what other effects should i consider . i mean which angle should i look in 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">pls dont mind i ask as i am just learning 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">regards 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat 12.0pt"> Dear Prashant, In case of parivartana the planets are like in their own house and hence unlikely to harm the house of placement. Parivartana between in 1L and 5L is also a rajayoga. All this if seen in isolation. The impact of other placements need to keep in my mind. Best Wishes, bold">Ramesh 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant Doshi Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:49 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects 12.0pt">Dear Ramesh ji, 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Yes , the ll in the fifith is considered good, but what about if it is in parivartane state 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> check this 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">10th march 1974 bombay,06:30am morning 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">regards 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Jyoti, Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered this subject well in his latest book. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear sir, Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do you feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming no other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed), will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you make that clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I have understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjc site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(depriving the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which is correct. Regards, jyothi vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > Namaste Madam, > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix" reading. Good as well as bad, > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of my friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12th house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is positioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my knowledge. > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltation shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > Regards, > Troubled Soul. > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > Respected Sirs, > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhava is > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in any > bhäva will deprive that bhäva of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct? > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is positioned > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > Scholars please clarify. > > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM --~-> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM --~-> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||<*> vedic astrology/ <*> vedic astrology <*> Your Archives: vedic astrology || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || SPONSORED LINKS Astrology chart Astrology reading Vedic astrology Divination tool 12.0pt"> ! 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 visitji, hope u havea nice trip to delhi , if u visit india mumbai , u are welcome at my place , and also if u need any assistance in mumbai , even though i am not there , my parents will arrange it for u thanking you RegardsPrashant(Prashu)On 12/18/05, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org > wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramesh, Namaskar Here the fifth house from jupiter itself is joined Saturn and debilitated Ketu. This will be the cause of separation and will be temporary only. Now see that this is also the tenth house from the Moon, so its due to job-requirements. The parivartana is helping his career take off, but unfortunately is causing the separation from children as well. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Ramesh F. Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 17 December 2005 15:18 To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Visti, Namaskar My comment was based on Saturn, Ketu conjunction in 5H in his chart. How would this conjunction work? Honestly I didn't check 5L from Jupiter which is mercury and well placed with Jupiter and Sun in lagna. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:08 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prashu, Namaskar Ketu is also grhakaraka and will bring marriage for the sake of having a family/children. So ketu in the fifth need not cause seperation from children. Whenever we wanto see our sambandha with anyone in this world, check the lordship from the karaka. E.g. for children see the fifth lord from Jupiter. Any dosha on this graha will cause separation from the children. If this dosha is involved with the lord of seventh from Venus, then the separation will also be from spouse. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Jyotish Learner [vedicastro_mind ] 16 December 2005 08:37 vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects(to Prashant) Dear Sir, I am not that learned one but one note is that Ketu represents denial its presence in 5th says about denial of children however one must also look at 5th Lord and aspects of planets on it. Regards, Jyotish Learner. Prashant Doshi <prashuastro > wrote: Respected Ramesh ji, one question , does ketu in the fifith diney children, or is it that due to traveling for my job or work related which keep me away from my kids??? On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com> wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Prashant, Rajayoga is formed here too and will give its results. 5H issues however can be impacted by placement of Ketu, probably having to stay away from children. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant Doshi Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:22 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear Ramesh ji, Then in the case given , does it not form a raj yoga ????, what other effects should i consider . i mean which angle should i look in pls dont mind i ask as i am just learning regards Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Prashant, In case of parivartana the planets are like in their own house and hence unlikely to harm the house of placement. Parivartana between in 1L and 5L is also a rajayoga. All this if seen in isolation. The impact of other placements need to keep in my mind. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of Prashant Doshi Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:49 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear Ramesh ji, Yes , the ll in the fifith is considered good, but what about if it is in parivartane state check this 10th march 1974 bombay,06:30am morning regards Prashu On 12/16/05, Ramesh F. Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com > wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Jyoti, Generally house of placement becomes the resource and houses owned are the agenda of the planet. Placement of LL in 5H (trine) is good for Lagna but not so good for 5H matters like children. Placement in 8H is not so good for longevity, in 9H may not be so good for father. I think Visti has covered this subject well in his latest book. Best Wishes, Ramesh vedic astrology [ vedic astrology] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:39 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Lagna lord effects Dear sir, Thanks for the information. But according to the first dictum, do you feel, Lagna lord in 5th will cause misfortune to the children (assuming no other affliction is there)? I specifically wanted to know, in such a case, where there is no affliction to the 5th(or any bhava where LL is placed), will that bhava prosper or suffer by the Lagna lord placement. Can you make that clear, if you dont mind please? In your example LL in 12th, Lagna will suffer because its lord is in a dusthana, but, the 12th house will prosper because LL is placed there(assuming no other afflictions). Am I right? This is what I have understood so far. But according to what I read recently (it was in some sjc site), LL in 12th will destroy the positive effects of 12th bhava(depriving the life force). This is what confusing me. I would like to know which is correct. Regards, jyothi vedic astrology, Jyotish Learner <vedicastro_mind> wrote: > > Namaste Madam, > > Gr8 thread u have started i feel many gr8 astro gurus should contiribute to incresae our knolwedge. > > That is good thing u r studying "bhava" well u should have asked the other way round bhava in general cant be studied as it will give "mix" reading. Good as well as bad, > as for example if u see Lagna lord in trine is always good as per our classics but I say Lagna lord in dusthana is also not bad in case of my friend LL is in 12th dats the case he is going to settle abroad but 12th house also indicate some negative aspects dat he should be taken care off. > > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is positioned and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. But in dat particular dasha's and bhukti's. > Scholars please clarify ,I am not scholar but this is as per my knowledge. > I feel this is true it strengthen that bhava for sure short dat house becomes strong IF alone and in friends house or house of exaltation shouldnot debilated and exalted and if not aspected by malefic and argala is imp after all argals only yield the fruit to the seed. > > Regards, > Troubled Soul. > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote: > Respected Sirs, > > I would like to know if the effect of Lagna lord in a bhava is > good or bad. I happened to read that the lagna lord's placement in any > bh�va will deprive that bh�va of the life-force and give it to the > lagna. For eg, if lagna lord is in 5th, it indicates misfortune for > children (and ninth will prosper). Is this correct? > > As per some malayalam books on astrology, I have read the opposite. > That the Lagna lord strengthen's the bhava wherever it is positioned > and that the native will experience good results of that bhava. > Scholars please clarify. > > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM --~-> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/.8XolB/TM --~-> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||<*> vedic astrology/ <*> vedic astrology <*> Your Archives: vedic astrology || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || SPONSORED LINKS Astrology chart Astrology reading Vedic astrology Divination tool ! 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