To Satya : Lagna lord , no isolated effects ?

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Dear Satya,

 

I understand that there are 'n' number of factors that

affect a bhava. But then, there IS and SHOULD BE an effect for

isolated position. I hope you wont deny that fact. My question

was 'what is that'.

I will make it more clear with an example which I feel will

explain it. If you mix the three primary colors, RED, BLUE and GREEN

you will get BLACK. But in isolation BLUE is BLUE, RED is RED and

GREEN is GREEN. Only when the combination comes the result changes.

Saying there is no isolated effect is like saying there is no RED,

BLUE and GREEN but only BLACK.

 

You cannot deny that there is nothing called 'effects in isolation'

and only a combined effect. There is an isolated effect and there IS

a combined effect. But before combined there is an isolated effect.

Or how do you derive the combined effect? Even if it is an aspect or

argala isnt it an isolated effect? Why do you say a malefic effect

modify the result? Arent you considering that in an isolated way? In

fact you are putting together 'many' isolated effects togeher to

derive the 'combined effect'. if you can consider, aspects argala etc

in isolation, then why this rejection only for Lagna Lord placement?

 

Even in BPHS, some body quoted (if LL is in 1st so and so, if in

2nd so and so etc) arent those effects isolated ones? If it wasnt so,

then Parashara could have sat relaxed without taking any effort to

write those 'individual effects'. Without the basic inputs I dont

understand how can one create the output.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Satya Sai Kolachina"

<skolachi@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi-ji,

>

> In a horoscope, you normally do not find any planet in isolation.

If

> there are no aspects and conjunctions, atleast other planets'

argala

> will be there. In fact, if you remember the fact there are partial

> aspects (pada drishti, artha drishti, and thripada drishti), they

are

> also important to make a proper prediction. Then Avastha

(condition)

> of the planet is to be considered. Then planetary placement in

> particular sign, the type of sign (cardinal, fixed, dual; or fire,

> earthy, airy, water signs etc.) all these factors matter. Just

Lord

> of a house being placed in another house is one among a number of

> parameters that influences.

>

> Finally when you look at all these factors, you will discover that

> the planet's influence on the horoscope is not in isolation.

>

> Note: Please read my response to Mr M Sharma, where I provided some

> more details about my horoscope, as requested by you and him.

>

> Regards,

> Satya

>

>

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pran,

> >

> > I agree with you that in astrology one should be able to

> > interepret the effects first in isolation, and only then

> incorporate

> > other factors. Suppose if in a person's chart Lagna lord is

posited

> > isolated without any aspects or combination, how can one

interpret

> > the resut of it, if one doesnt know the rule in isolation. That

was

> > the reason why I was forced to continue my query though many

> > suggested the opinion that effects cannot be checked in isolation.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > jyothi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "pnrazdan"

<pnrazdan>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Satya,

> > > I dont understand why you fail to see the contradiction here

> > although

> > > in the last para of your post, you repeat what I said earlier

> about

> > > the wrong interpretation of LL by some colleagues.

> > > Concomittant factors are always necessary for predicting

anything

> > and

> > > the final prediction is based on not one principle but several

of

> > them

> > > This goes without saying and need not be repeated every

time.But

> one

> > > cannot offer this argument to justify a new theory that runs

> > contrary

> > > to the basic fundamentals of jyotish.

> > > It is a fact that the placement of LL alone is not enough to

make

> a

> > > prediction about any house and several other factors have to be

> > > considered. But at the same time we have also to interpret the

LL

> > > position correctly since any wrong interpretation of this

> placement

> > > shall have a weight in our final prediction as well.Therefore

we

> > have

> > > to see each and every new theory that is advanced by members in

> > > isolation and match it with our traditional knowledge so that

it

> > does

> > > not disturb the fine balance of making astrological predictions

> > > through conventional wisdom.

> > >

> > > The message at 68048 was very crisp and short just like a

Gayatri

> > > Mantar for "shishyas" to follow. This stirred me to remind

fellow

> > > colleagues about the high place given to LL in jyotish and take

a

> > view

> > > only after full discussion of this new theory.

> > >

> > > We must advance new theories responsibly and only after due

> > > verification with our basic texts so that a wrong impression

does

> > not

> > > go around particularly for learners like one of our members who

> said

> > > his LL is in 5th house and with this theory is afraid of his

four

> > year

> > > old lovely daughter's health.

> > > Pran Razdan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Satya Sai Kolachina"

> > > <skolachi@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pran,

> > > >

> > > > I don't think there is any such contradiction. Astrology is a

> > very

> > > > complex science, and we should not take any single factor in

> > > > isolation. Every factor should be considered. There is a lot

of

> > > > information stored in the Rasi chart itself coupled with

> Navamsha

> > to

> > > > make a really good prediction. I am very much impressed by a

> > > > statement made by the eminent astrologer Sri KN Rao; that if

> you

> > > > read the same principle again and again and apply your

> knowledge,

> > > > you will discover something that you did not find before.

> > > >

> > > > What appears apparently, in fact, is hiding some detail,

which

> is

> > to

> > > > be uncovered by the astrologers. Take a principle and apply

it

> > > > directly and with some variations, to a number of charts, and

> > > > finally you will uncover what the principle is actually

> hinting,

> > > > and how the variations are applicable. This is what Sri KN

Rao

> > terms

> > > > as 'using a principle with confidence'.

> > > >

> > > > This itself shows his depth of knowledge. My sincere advice

to

> > > > aspiring new astrologers is not to ignore the teachings of

Sri

> KN

> > > > Rao. If you read his books and articles you will know how

> exactly

> > he

> > > > applies his methodology, and what is his real depth of

> experience.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, it is not correct to say that LL is bad everywhere

> > except

> > > > in Lagna. Also I read somewhere written by a popular

astrologer

> > that

> > > > Lagna Lord is like Sun and wherever he is placed the fire

goes

> to

> > > > that house. This is a very wrong approach to spread this

> > principle

> > > > in isolation. Dr BV Raman's book on 'How to judge a

horosocope'

> > > > clearly mentions Lagna Lord's best position is the 9th house.

> He

> > has

> > > > mentioned it with authority. We have to understand these

> > statements

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Satya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "pnrazdan"

> > <pnrazdan>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I think this and other mails on this subject are a

sufficient

> > eye

> > > > > opener for those who say that LL is bad anywhere it is,

> except

> > > > when it

> > > > > is in its own house- something contrary to traditional

> > > > astrological

> > > > > wisdom.

> > > > > Pran Razdan

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F.

> Gangaramani"

> > > > > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satya,

> > > > > > Thank you for nice feedback. May God bless your father.

You

> > > > guessed the

> > > > > > purpose for asking question correctly. You are also right

> > that a

> > > > > placement

> > > > > > cannot be seen in isolation and needs to be seen in

> > conjunction

> > > > with

> > > > > other

> > > > > > placements.

> > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

Satya

> > Sai

> > > > > Kolachina

> > > > > > Monday, December 19, 2005 8:13 PM

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Thanks to all: Lagna lord

> > effects

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramesh,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am very happy to say that I am the most benefitted

among

> > all my

> > > > > siblings

> > > > > > (though my father never showed bias towards any of his

> > > > children), with

> > > > > > regards to taking/implementing father's advice. I have a

> > > > multitude of

> > > > > > hobbies, and I am a born artist, though I did not make

art

> as

> > my

> > > > > profession.

> > > > > > When I was 16, I was a published novelist and my father

> > > > encouraged

> > > > > me for

> > > > > > that. My fahter taught me how to write novels and

stories,

> > > > thought

> > > > > he was

> > > > > > not a novelist, but he was a scholar in a couple of

> > languages. At

> > > > > the age of

> > > > > > 17 I acted in a film (nobody could believe) and that was

> with

> > my

> > > > > father's

> > > > > > encouragement (He pushed me into the film field, but I

> could

> > not

> > > > > continue in

> > > > > > that field due to lack of opportunities and politics

> involved

> > in

> > > > > that field,

> > > > > > but I still act on the stage). From the age of 8 onwards,

I

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > drawing and painting and now I am an established painter

> (not

> > > > > > professionally), and that was with my father's

> encouragement.

> > At

> > > > the

> > > > > age of

> > > > > > 15 I started Carnatic music

> > > > > > (vocal) with my father's encouragement; discontinued at

> that

> > > > time but

> > > > > > continued later, and now I am Carnatic classical music

> > singer.

> > > > > > When my father was 80 yrs old, he encouraged me to go

> abroad

> > for

> > > > > > self-development. I did not show interest since my

parents

> > were

> > > > old;

> > > > > then he

> > > > > > scolded me that I was not following his advice;

ultimately

> by

> > his

> > > > > force I

> > > > > > came to US (much later than my counterparts in those

days).

> > What

> > > > > else can a

> > > > > > son expect from a father? Millions of dollars? My father

> has

> > > > formed the

> > > > > > strongest base for my today's social status. He knew that

I

> > had

> > > > > skills in

> > > > > > multiple arts, and he encouraged me in every field, and

he

> > > > wanted to

> > > > > see me

> > > > > > rise to the highest position. Professionally he made me

an

> > > > Engineer

> > > > > (PG in

> > > > > > Engg from one of the premier institutes of India, IIT

> > Kharagpur).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am so indebted to him that I cannot repay it in this

> birth,

> > in

> > > > any

> > > > > way.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know why you were asking this question; it is said that

> LL

> > > > placed

> > > > > in 9th

> > > > > > house will show some kind of problem related to father.

But

> I

> > > > > strongly say

> > > > > > that many other factors need to be considered and not

just

> > this

> > > > > statement

> > > > > > alone. Astrology is a complicated science and we should

not

> > take

> > > > any

> > > > > single

> > > > > > principle standalone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now my father is 93 and still healthy. He doesn't have

any

> > health

> > > > > problem (I

> > > > > > have some health problems which he doesn't have).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope I answered your question.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Satya

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F.

> > Gangaramani"

> > > > > > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Satya,

> > > > > > > Can you tell us about your experiences related to

father?

> > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> Satya

> > Sai

> > > > > > Kolachina

> > > > > > > Monday, December 19, 2005 3:51 PM

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Thanks to all: Lagna

lord

> > > > effects

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Jyothiji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can confirm the following with respect to Lagna

Lord's

> > > > placement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Lagna Lord is placed in the 9th house, and I have

been

> a

> > > > very

> > > > > > lucky man

> > > > > > > all the time, and achieved whatever I dreamt so far in

my

> > > > > > > 40+ yrs of life. I am the luckiest of all my siblings.

My

> > > > wife's

> > > > > > > Lagna Lord is also placed in the 9th house. She is also

> the

> > > > > > luckiest of all

> > > > > > > her siblings. I saw a few others also, and can confirm

> that

> > > > Lagna

> > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > placed in 9th house is in general a very good

placement;

> in

> > > > fact,

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > authorities (like Dr BV Raman) say that LL in the 9th

> house

> > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > best

> > > > > > > position for the Lagna Lord. The 9th house meaning

Bhagya

> > > > Sthaanam

> > > > > > is very

> > > > > > > well suited for LL placed in the 9th house.

> > > > > > > It gives happines in different directions (not

> necessarily

> > > > money

> > > > > > alone).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can assure on this principle very much.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Satya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic-

> astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I whole heartedly thank all the

learned

> > > > members

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > found time to share their knowledge regarding the

> effect

> > of

> > > > LL

> > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > bhava. All the mails were really informative in one

way

> or

> > > > > > other. I

> > > > > > > > feel we can learn much better if the members cross

> check

> > > > with LL

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > their own chart and share their experience so that we

> can

> > > > decide

> > > > > > > what's

> > > > > > > > the experience of majority. Real experience is what

> > counts!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks to all once again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > jyothi

> > > > > > > >

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