To DakshinamoortyWhy Ketu cannot be atmakaraka?- Query by Ms.Jyothi Lakshmi.

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Dear Sir,

 

Thanks for a wonderful explanation.

 

I know it is inappropriate to ask doubts with a limited

knowledge. But I am just in the process of learning, but

unfortuanetly not in a very systematic way which is at present

impossible for me. If one is permitted to ask doubts only after

learning all the classics, then perhaps, I am not eligible to ask any

doubts in this group at all and I will just have to withdraw and seek

the help of books which I am happy to do but may take time. Moreover

if I study all the classics, may be sometimes, I wont have anything

to ask at all.

 

So if possible and if willing it would be better if everybody

share their knowledge, whatever they know, not keeping the criteria

that the questioner should be a professional astrologer adept in all

classics. And I am not asking my doubts just to question anybody or

just for the sake of asking questions(may be my questions sound so).

This exemption of Ketu, as I told, was something which I noticed only

recently when going through the sample horoscopes in JHora. So

thought if any members knew the exact reason for it.

 

BTW, I doubt if in astrology everything is really working so

perfectly. Anyways that is not issue that can be resolved so quickly,

may be because of the existing different schools of thought. (I read

that some use 7 charakaraka scheme and some use 8 chara karaka scheme

etc which doesnt make any sense to me.)

 

Logical reasonings to me are just ways to find the truth and not

to deem rishi pramanas as defective. May be some hidden meanings can

be found in the course of search for truth. It is VERY VERY easy to

set aside all the doubts and believe with shut eyes whatever each and

everybody says, but then for me, it doesnt give any satisfaction,

moreover it arises the question as to which I should believe as there

are various interpretations(see the contradictory opnions for Lagna

lord effects). This confusion will again compel me to ask a 'why' and

find the truth for myself. Since the members in this group are

already experienced and learned, if they share their knowledge, the

search can be made easy, and that is the reason for my posts.

 

Just made clear, in case you doubt my sincerity in asking

questions.

 

Regarding 'rahu's inclusion in case of tie-up' seems extremely

absurd to me. Is this a game or what? If the longitude is given

importance to determine the karakatwa, then how can one overide that

fact and 'bring in' Rahu to make up that? Or will bringing in Rahu

solve the problem of 'tie-up'. If yes, how? Then what is the

significance of longitude in this matter? I really dont understand. I

am really sorry if again these doubts arise out of my deficient

knowledge in classics. If there are members who are thorough in

classics and who can clear these doubts it will be really helpful, or

else I will just withdraw my doubt and will try to find out for

myself.

 

 

Regards,

jyothi.

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer> wrote:

>

> DEar Ms.Jyothi,

>

> Kindly consider this.....

>

> In a Defence training establishment, the Commandant is the over-all

> incharge. But, that does not mean he will directly take part and

> oversee each and every training module of every trainee! He will

have

> an overview of the training and he will distribute various subjects

> and portfolios for administration of the Academy to different

> officers. He will retain charge of ONLY the overall supervision.

> Ultimately, every cadet who is passing out of the Academy will be

> familiar to the Commandant. But, generally he is NOT allocated

minor

> training modules as allocating minor things to him will spoil his

> overall efficiency of overseeing the running and coordinating the

> activities of the academy.

>

> This may be a crude example. But, it is analogous to Ketu not

being

> given a karakatwa. By the way, I do not know if you have taken

note

> of the fact that I have mentioned that "EVen RAhu is not assigned a

> karakatwa UNLESS there is a tie up of karakatwas between two

planets

> due to their attaining similar longitudes!"

>

> Another thing, I do not know if you have studied BPHS. In that

also

> it is clearly mentioned that the karakatwas are only distributed

among

> the seven planets from Sun to Saturn.

>

> Just as the principal of a school does not teach alphabets to the

> kindergarten kids (though he is overall responsible for their

> wellbeing and progress in his institution), Just as the academy

> commandant does not train his cadets in everyday drills and service

> classes, Ketu - the significator of Moksha does not directly assume

> karakatwa in the mundane events of an individual. At the same

time,

> just as the Principal will monitor the progress of every student

and

> may even give some special lessons in rare cases, just as the

Academy

> commandant may help a cadet out in difficult circumstances by

directly

> involving himself in some aspect of training, Ketu does play a role

in

> many vital areas of life. You will find results attributed to

> placement of Ketu in karakamsa, etc. in Jaimini's works. Of

course,

> in vimshottari dasa of Parasari system, Ketu is alloted his

periods.

> But, all these logical reasonings are in a way blasphemous

according

> to me. These may imply that we deem the rishi pramanas are

defective

> in some way. I will tell you one thing.... It is more important to

> make things work rather than trying to nitpick and find WHY they

work,

> if everything is perfect. Astrology of the seers - in my humble

> opinion- has been derived after intense study, research, and above

all

> after intense tapasyas which ordinary mortals of this present age

can

> never hope to attain!

>

> One suggestion to you please..... Research should be done ONLY

after

> you have thoroughly acquainted yourself with the classics. Ketu,

or

> for that matter, any planet is not superior to one or the other....

> They all have certain portfolios over certain areas of our lives.

> Ketu does not directly grant Gnana or moksha to anybody. It is

only

> Divine Grace that can lift and save a person from the endless cycle

of

> birth and death. Astrology only shows the way.... It is not THE

WAY.

> Ketu only facilitates acquisition of gnana, he does not GRANT

gnana.

> Every planet has its own role to play on the psyche of an

individual

> so that he evolves as a complete human being.

>

> Mundane events, though they seem important to us from our earthly

> views, are not all that important from a spiritual point of view.

In

> the path of siddhas and great Gnanis, even Sins or Merits have no

> place. All karmas (Whether good or bad) are hindrances for

eventual

> liberation of the soul. As Lord Krishna says in Bhagavat

Gita "Burn

> away all your sins with the Fire of Wisdom". Lives of many great

> gnanis will show you that they have transcended the plane of the

> planetary influences. Planets control your destiny only as long as

> you are under karmic bonds. Jeevanmuktas are not bound or

influenced

> by planets!

>

> Blessed be.vedic-

astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> >

> > Shall I share some more thoughts which arose on

reading

> > your mail? The reason that ketu is a Moksha karaka and it is not

> > significant for mundane gains, as I said seems a bit

unsatisfactory.

> > Now I will say why I feel so. A person when born, is not by

default

> a

> > jeevanmukta. He is gradually or step by step attaining that

state.

> > And as far as I have understood, Ketu plays a very significant

role

> > in catalysing one to reach that state by creating detachment,

> > obstacles or whatever it is. In short, Ketu is the planet which

> > pushes one to that state. Unless there is somebody to guide (be

it

> by

> > pressurising or in a smooth way), the state is not reached. And

till

> > the state is reached isnt such a catalysing factor essential? And

if

> > Ketu does that job perfectly, why is still excluded?

> >

> > Exclusion of Ketu seems like Ketu doesnt have any

significance

> > in ones life time. Also it seems as if moksha is something

separate

> > from the life,something which cannot be connected to the life.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, dakshinamoorthi r

> > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms.Jyothi Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Even Rahu cannot become a karaka unless there is a tie

> > > up between two planets for a karakatwa thereby leaving

> > > some karakatwa vacant by Jaimini Muni Pramana.

> > >

> > > I will quote Adhyaya 1 Pada 1 Sutra 11 for your

> > > reference:

> > >

> > > "Aathmadikah kalaadibhirna bhogah saptaanaam

> > > ashtaanaamva"

> > >

> > > meaning of the seven planets from Sun to Saturn, or

> > > the eight planets from Sun to Rahu, whichever get the

> > > highest number of degrees becomes the atmakaraka.

> > >

> > > Another point you should note is that Rahu and Ketu

> > > are deemed to have got higher number of degrees in the

> > > reverse order ( I mean to say, subtract the longitude

> > > of Rahu from 30 deg. The resultant is to be taken as

> > > the degrees attained by Rahu for the purpose of

> > > determining whether it has got more degrees or not).

> > > This is my view which was corroborated also by Dr.

> > > B.V.RAMAN of revered memory (Ofcourse you must be

> > > aware of that Great Man!).

> > >

> > > These are axioms not theorems. (Mathematics students

> > > will know it. An axiom is a First principle that is

> > > assumed to be true and that cannot be proved as

> > > opposed to a theorem for which a logical proof can be

> > > derived).

> > >

> > > Though I appreciate your enthusiasm and research bent

> > > of mind, kindly differentiate between an axiom and a

> > > theory while discussing these topics.

> > >

> > > Another point is interesting to note. Even in Prasna

> > > shastra (in ashtamangala prasna) only eight planets

> > > are included (excluding Ketu) while deriving various

> > > significations. The savants must have had their own

> > > reasons for that.

> > >

> > > Or, may be as Ketu is a significator for ultimate

> > > realization and final emancipation and Eternal Wisdom,

> > > he may not have a portfolio for mundane events. For

> > > instance, you cannot have an ascetic as a head of a

> > > charitable trust! (Though you see Godmen managing

> > > ashrams and other grand things, it is against the

> > > basic tenet of real ascetism. Lord Dattatreya -

> > > considered to be the adi guru of ascetism says that

> > > even the company of 2 persons may lead to unnecessary

> > > words and strife and deviate one from the real Goal of

> > > Realization). This is only my humble logic which

> > > ofcourse may not be correct. The rishis would have

> > > DEFINITELY had their own higher logics for that.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

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