To Satya : Lagna lord , no isolated effects ?

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Dear Satya,

 

Thanks for the elaboration. 'Conclusion' cannot be made in

isolation. That I agree 100%. What I said was, individual effects

will be there, collecting which, we try to come to the conclusion,

based on ones own practical knowledge and intuition. I was just

asking about that 'individual effect'. You missed what my point was.

You mixed 'isolated effects' with making a 'isolated conclusion'.

(you have distorted my example with this misunderstanding!!ok leave

it.)

 

Anyways, lets not debate on it. The person (Vistiji) whose article

confused me, has given his opinion crystal clear that "The bhava

where lagnesh is will damage that bhava, unless it is its own bhava."

(mess:68048). (which is the individual effect I asked since malayalam

texts I had read had said the opposite which was also individual

effects!!)

 

The rest, let me find with the experience of people.

 

Regards,

jyothi

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Satya Sai Kolachina"

<skolachi@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

> The mere fact that 'effects in isolation' exist, does not qualify

to

> be used in giving that as direct prediction. These 'effects in

> isolation' are defined to be used in combination with other factors

> while giving a collective prediction.

>

> For example Lagna Lord in the 9th house does not give the same

> results for all Lagnas and the associated 9th houses. In my case,

the

> Lagna is a watery sign, its Lord (a water planet too), placed in

the

> 9th house (which is obviously another watery sign since it is in

> trine to Lagna) gave me strong inclination to artistic skills,

since

> involvement of watery signs gives excellent imagination/artistic

> abilities. But if the Lagna (and the associated 9th house are fiery

> signs) then the results would be different. If you take combination

> of fiery,earthy,water and airy signs along with cardinal,fixed and

> dual nature, there are altogether 12 such combinations for the

Lagna

> Lord to be placed in the 9th house, which is the single parameter

we

> are considering here. In all these cases Lagna Lord is still in the

> 9th house; but gives different effects. At this time, I have not

even

> considered the Navamsa position of the Lagna Lord or the planets

> placed in the 9th house, which add additional dimensions.

>

> Taking the same example you gave, the colors Blue, Red and Green do

> exist in isolation; but when you paint an object, you never use

these

> colors in isolation (even to a portion of the painted object). A

> multitude of mixture of these colors is to be applied to get the

> actual (natural) look and feel of the object. There are millions

> (literally millions and not exaggeration) of shades of these base

> colors, which you can notice when you change the colors in your

> computer. When you say BLUE, my question is which shade of BLUE? or

> what is the RGB value (in computer terminology)?

>

> What I am trying to say is that the mere identification of factors

in

> isolation is not useful unless we super-impose these factors one

upon

> the other after which the actual picture of the person (whose

> horoscope we are analyzing) comes out.

>

> I have seen someone writing in this group, that Saturn & Mars

> combination will give Unmad yoga; again this is a consideration in

> isolation. There are a number of people who have Saturn & Mars

> combination (conjunction or aspect) who have excellent qualities.

> Just because Saturn and Mars are natural malefics, we cannot say

that

> their combination is always dangerous; there are a number of

warriors

> who have this combination, who fought great wars for the cause of

> their country. We cannot call them as having Unmad yoga. In fact,

> there was an excellent article in Journal Of Astrology (edited by

Sri

> KN Rao) written by some astrologer (I don't remember the name),

which

> talks about Saturn and Mars combination as giving Kshathriya

> qualities with a number of real-life examples. The fact is that

> Saturn & Mars together (conjunction or aspect) gives strong driving

> force (or urge) to do something, with a stubburn attitude. What is

> that 'something' is to be analyzed by seeing other factors in the

> horoscope, and cannot give a conclusion in isolation. The

> stubbornness cannot be named as Unmad yoga. Unless we are stubborn

to

> reach our goal, we cannot complete a particular task. Unfortunately

> many members in this group are coming up with such statements quite

> often. I myself have Saturn and Mars mutually aspecting each other

in

> Kendras. For me Mars is Yoga Karaka and Saturn is 7th Lord, forming

> an excellent Raja Yoga, which made me a Mechanical Engineering

> Graduate (Mars for Fire, and Saturn for Iron/Metal - together

making

> Mechanical Engg). I have been enjoying the results of this raja

yoga,

> for the past several years. It gave me such a strong driving force,

> that I do not leave a task once I takeit up; I will dedicate all my

> resources to its completion.

>

> The bottom line rule is: Nothing can be concluded in isolation in

> astrology. I hope I conveyed the message properly.

>

> Regards,

> Satya

>

>

> vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satya,

> >

> > I understand that there are 'n' number of factors that

> > affect a bhava. But then, there IS and SHOULD BE an effect for

> > isolated position. I hope you wont deny that fact. My question

> > was 'what is that'.

> > I will make it more clear with an example which I feel will

> > explain it. If you mix the three primary colors, RED, BLUE and

> GREEN

> > you will get BLACK. But in isolation BLUE is BLUE, RED is RED and

> > GREEN is GREEN. Only when the combination comes the result

changes.

> > Saying there is no isolated effect is like saying there is no

RED,

> > BLUE and GREEN but only BLACK.

> >

> > You cannot deny that there is nothing called 'effects in

isolation'

> > and only a combined effect. There is an isolated effect and there

> IS

> > a combined effect. But before combined there is an isolated

effect.

> > Or how do you derive the combined effect? Even if it is an aspect

> or

> > argala isnt it an isolated effect? Why do you say a malefic

effect

> > modify the result? Arent you considering that in an isolated way?

> In

> > fact you are putting together 'many' isolated effects togeher to

> > derive the 'combined effect'. if you can consider, aspects argala

> etc

> > in isolation, then why this rejection only for Lagna Lord

placement?

> >

> > Even in BPHS, some body quoted (if LL is in 1st so and so, if

in

> > 2nd so and so etc) arent those effects isolated ones? If it wasnt

> so,

> > then Parashara could have sat relaxed without taking any effort

to

> > write those 'individual effects'. Without the basic inputs I

dont

> > understand how can one create the output.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Satya Sai Kolachina"

> > <skolachi@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyothi-ji,

> > >

> > > In a horoscope, you normally do not find any planet in

isolation.

> > If

> > > there are no aspects and conjunctions, atleast other planets'

> > argala

> > > will be there. In fact, if you remember the fact there are

> partial

> > > aspects (pada drishti, artha drishti, and thripada drishti),

they

> > are

> > > also important to make a proper prediction. Then Avastha

> > (condition)

> > > of the planet is to be considered. Then planetary placement in

> > > particular sign, the type of sign (cardinal, fixed, dual; or

> fire,

> > > earthy, airy, water signs etc.) all these factors matter. Just

> > Lord

> > > of a house being placed in another house is one among a number

of

> > > parameters that influences.

> > >

> > > Finally when you look at all these factors, you will discover

> that

> > > the planet's influence on the horoscope is not in isolation.

> > >

> > > Note: Please read my response to Mr M Sharma, where I provided

> some

> > > more details about my horoscope, as requested by you and him.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Satya

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pran,

> > > >

> > > > I agree with you that in astrology one should be able to

> > > > interepret the effects first in isolation, and only then

> > > incorporate

> > > > other factors. Suppose if in a person's chart Lagna lord is

> > posited

> > > > isolated without any aspects or combination, how can one

> > interpret

> > > > the resut of it, if one doesnt know the rule in isolation.

That

> > was

> > > > the reason why I was forced to continue my query though many

> > > > suggested the opinion that effects cannot be checked in

> isolation.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > jyothi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "pnrazdan"

> > <pnrazdan>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Satya,

> > > > > I dont understand why you fail to see the contradiction

here

> > > > although

> > > > > in the last para of your post, you repeat what I said

earlier

> > > about

> > > > > the wrong interpretation of LL by some colleagues.

> > > > > Concomittant factors are always necessary for predicting

> > anything

> > > > and

> > > > > the final prediction is based on not one principle but

> several

> > of

> > > > them

> > > > > This goes without saying and need not be repeated every

> > time.But

> > > one

> > > > > cannot offer this argument to justify a new theory that

runs

> > > > contrary

> > > > > to the basic fundamentals of jyotish.

> > > > > It is a fact that the placement of LL alone is not enough

to

> > make

> > > a

> > > > > prediction about any house and several other factors have

to

> be

> > > > > considered. But at the same time we have also to interpret

> the

> > LL

> > > > > position correctly since any wrong interpretation of this

> > > placement

> > > > > shall have a weight in our final prediction as

well.Therefore

> > we

> > > > have

> > > > > to see each and every new theory that is advanced by

members

> in

> > > > > isolation and match it with our traditional knowledge so

that

> > it

> > > > does

> > > > > not disturb the fine balance of making astrological

> predictions

> > > > > through conventional wisdom.

> > > > >

> > > > > The message at 68048 was very crisp and short just like a

> > Gayatri

> > > > > Mantar for "shishyas" to follow. This stirred me to remind

> > fellow

> > > > > colleagues about the high place given to LL in jyotish and

> take

> > a

> > > > view

> > > > > only after full discussion of this new theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > We must advance new theories responsibly and only after due

> > > > > verification with our basic texts so that a wrong

impression

> > does

> > > > not

> > > > > go around particularly for learners like one of our members

> who

> > > said

> > > > > his LL is in 5th house and with this theory is afraid of

his

> > four

> > > > year

> > > > > old lovely daughter's health.

> > > > > Pran Razdan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "Satya Sai

Kolachina"

> > > > > <skolachi@h...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pran,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't think there is any such contradiction. Astrology

is

> a

> > > > very

> > > > > > complex science, and we should not take any single factor

> in

> > > > > > isolation. Every factor should be considered. There is a

> lot

> > of

> > > > > > information stored in the Rasi chart itself coupled with

> > > Navamsha

> > > > to

> > > > > > make a really good prediction. I am very much impressed

by

> a

> > > > > > statement made by the eminent astrologer Sri KN Rao; that

> if

> > > you

> > > > > > read the same principle again and again and apply your

> > > knowledge,

> > > > > > you will discover something that you did not find before.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What appears apparently, in fact, is hiding some detail,

> > which

> > > is

> > > > to

> > > > > > be uncovered by the astrologers. Take a principle and

apply

> > it

> > > > > > directly and with some variations, to a number of charts,

> and

> > > > > > finally you will uncover what the principle is actually

> > > hinting,

> > > > > > and how the variations are applicable. This is what Sri

KN

> > Rao

> > > > terms

> > > > > > as 'using a principle with confidence'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This itself shows his depth of knowledge. My sincere

advice

> > to

> > > > > > aspiring new astrologers is not to ignore the teachings

of

> > Sri

> > > KN

> > > > > > Rao. If you read his books and articles you will know how

> > > exactly

> > > > he

> > > > > > applies his methodology, and what is his real depth of

> > > experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In fact, it is not correct to say that LL is bad

everywhere

> > > > except

> > > > > > in Lagna. Also I read somewhere written by a popular

> > astrologer

> > > > that

> > > > > > Lagna Lord is like Sun and wherever he is placed the fire

> > goes

> > > to

> > > > > > that house. This is a very wrong approach to spread this

> > > > principle

> > > > > > in isolation. Dr BV Raman's book on 'How to judge a

> > horosocope'

> > > > > > clearly mentions Lagna Lord's best position is the 9th

> house.

> > > He

> > > > has

> > > > > > mentioned it with authority. We have to understand these

> > > > statements

> > > > > > properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Satya

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, "pnrazdan"

> > > > <pnrazdan>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think this and other mails on this subject are a

> > sufficient

> > > > eye

> > > > > > > opener for those who say that LL is bad anywhere it is,

> > > except

> > > > > > when it

> > > > > > > is in its own house- something contrary to traditional

> > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > wisdom.

> > > > > > > Pran Razdan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F.

> > > Gangaramani"

> > > > > > > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Satya,

> > > > > > > > Thank you for nice feedback. May God bless your

father.

> > You

> > > > > > guessed the

> > > > > > > > purpose for asking question correctly. You are also

> right

> > > > that a

> > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > cannot be seen in isolation and needs to be seen in

> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > placements.

> > > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> > Satya

> > > > Sai

> > > > > > > Kolachina

> > > > > > > > Monday, December 19, 2005 8:13 PM

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Thanks to all: Lagna

> lord

> > > > effects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ramesh,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am very happy to say that I am the most benefitted

> > among

> > > > all my

> > > > > > > siblings

> > > > > > > > (though my father never showed bias towards any of

his

> > > > > > children), with

> > > > > > > > regards to taking/implementing father's advice. I

have

> a

> > > > > > multitude of

> > > > > > > > hobbies, and I am a born artist, though I did not

make

> > art

> > > as

> > > > my

> > > > > > > profession.

> > > > > > > > When I was 16, I was a published novelist and my

father

> > > > > > encouraged

> > > > > > > me for

> > > > > > > > that. My fahter taught me how to write novels and

> > stories,

> > > > > > thought

> > > > > > > he was

> > > > > > > > not a novelist, but he was a scholar in a couple of

> > > > languages. At

> > > > > > > the age of

> > > > > > > > 17 I acted in a film (nobody could believe) and that

> was

> > > with

> > > > my

> > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > encouragement (He pushed me into the film field, but

I

> > > could

> > > > not

> > > > > > > continue in

> > > > > > > > that field due to lack of opportunities and politics

> > > involved

> > > > in

> > > > > > > that field,

> > > > > > > > but I still act on the stage). From the age of 8

> onwards,

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > drawing and painting and now I am an established

> painter

> > > (not

> > > > > > > > professionally), and that was with my father's

> > > encouragement.

> > > > At

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > age of

> > > > > > > > 15 I started Carnatic music

> > > > > > > > (vocal) with my father's encouragement; discontinued

at

> > > that

> > > > > > time but

> > > > > > > > continued later, and now I am Carnatic classical

music

> > > > singer.

> > > > > > > > When my father was 80 yrs old, he encouraged me to go

> > > abroad

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > self-development. I did not show interest since my

> > parents

> > > > were

> > > > > > old;

> > > > > > > then he

> > > > > > > > scolded me that I was not following his advice;

> > ultimately

> > > by

> > > > his

> > > > > > > force I

> > > > > > > > came to US (much later than my counterparts in those

> > days).

> > > > What

> > > > > > > else can a

> > > > > > > > son expect from a father? Millions of dollars? My

> father

> > > has

> > > > > > formed the

> > > > > > > > strongest base for my today's social status. He knew

> that

> > I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > skills in

> > > > > > > > multiple arts, and he encouraged me in every field,

and

> > he

> > > > > > wanted to

> > > > > > > see me

> > > > > > > > rise to the highest position. Professionally he made

me

> > an

> > > > > > Engineer

> > > > > > > (PG in

> > > > > > > > Engg from one of the premier institutes of India, IIT

> > > > Kharagpur).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am so indebted to him that I cannot repay it in

this

> > > birth,

> > > > in

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > way.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know why you were asking this question; it is said

> that

> > > LL

> > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > in 9th

> > > > > > > > house will show some kind of problem related to

father.

> > But

> > > I

> > > > > > > strongly say

> > > > > > > > that many other factors need to be considered and not

> > just

> > > > this

> > > > > > > statement

> > > > > > > > alone. Astrology is a complicated science and we

should

> > not

> > > > take

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > single

> > > > > > > > principle standalone.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now my father is 93 and still healthy. He doesn't

have

> > any

> > > > health

> > > > > > > problem (I

> > > > > > > > have some health problems which he doesn't have).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope I answered your question.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Satya

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh F.

> > > > Gangaramani"

> > > > > > > > <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat ||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Satya,

> > > > > > > > > Can you tell us about your experiences related to

> > father?

> > > > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > > > Ramesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf

Of

> > > Satya

> > > > Sai

> > > > > > > > Kolachina

> > > > > > > > > Monday, December 19, 2005 3:51 PM

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Thanks to all: Lagna

> > lord

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothiji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I can confirm the following with respect to Lagna

> > Lord's

> > > > > > placement.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My Lagna Lord is placed in the 9th house, and I

have

> > been

> > > a

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > lucky man

> > > > > > > > > all the time, and achieved whatever I dreamt so far

> in

> > my

> > > > > > > > > 40+ yrs of life. I am the luckiest of all my

> siblings.

> > My

> > > > > > wife's

> > > > > > > > > Lagna Lord is also placed in the 9th house. She is

> also

> > > the

> > > > > > > > luckiest of all

> > > > > > > > > her siblings. I saw a few others also, and can

> confirm

> > > that

> > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > placed in 9th house is in general a very good

> > placement;

> > > in

> > > > > > fact,

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > authorities (like Dr BV Raman) say that LL in the

9th

> > > house

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > position for the Lagna Lord. The 9th house meaning

> > Bhagya

> > > > > > Sthaanam

> > > > > > > > is very

> > > > > > > > > well suited for LL placed in the 9th house.

> > > > > > > > > It gives happines in different directions (not

> > > necessarily

> > > > > > money

> > > > > > > > alone).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I can assure on this principle very much.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Satya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > astrology, "jyothi_b_lakshmi"

> > > > > > > > > <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I whole heartedly thank all the

> > learned

> > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > found time to share their knowledge regarding the

> > > effect

> > > > of

> > > > > > LL

> > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > bhava. All the mails were really informative in

one

> > way

> > > or

> > > > > > > > other. I

> > > > > > > > > > feel we can learn much better if the members

cross

> > > check

> > > > > > with LL

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > their own chart and share their experience so

that

> we

> > > can

> > > > > > decide

> > > > > > > > > what's

> > > > > > > > > > the experience of majority. Real experience is

what

> > > > counts!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all once again.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > jyothi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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