To DakshinamoortyWhy Ketu cannot be atmakaraka?- Query by Ms.Jyothi Lakshmi.

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Dear Bharatji,

 

This time I understood what you said. Thanks. I would

appreciate if you come up with why Ketu is excluded.

 

Regards,

Jyothi.

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

>

> Mokshakaraka does not mean that causes the Moksha. If Moksha can be

caused,

> then, it is still under the purview of cause and effect. Freedom is

an

> already achieved end but it is question of realizing the same. As

earlier, I

> wouldn't get in a philosophical debate with you.

>

> Ketu is not part of conscious effort. It is part of instinctual and

> mechanical action and therefore, not a karaka. It lends reality

to "past"

> and hence makes time seem "real".

>

> In my view, Intuition is not Ketu forte, but instincts are. It is

best to

> define the term to understand it better - Intuition is learnt know-

how but

> linkages to its current memory aren't present. So we know somehow,

what is

> and what isn't, yet we cannot place its direct reference to memory.

There is

> a strong connection of intuition with Jupiter.

>

> Any person who studies oneself for knowing oneself, not as a hobby

or

> interest, but with mumukshatvam, will explain that past experiences

play a

> major role in analysis and discrimination. With the past are

carried the

> notions of limitedness, complexes, etc. Hence, it can be said to

play a

> role.

>

> Why Ketu is included to represent the sthira karaka, has a

connection to

> instincts and past. I haven't checked it up and will soon do, if I

find

> time.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 12/21/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> >

> > Shall I share some more thoughts which arose on reading

> > your mail? The reason that ketu is a Moksha karaka and it is not

> > significant for mundane gains, as I said seems a bit

unsatisfactory.

> > Now I will say why I feel so. A person when born, is not by

default a

> > jeevanmukta. He is gradually or step by step attaining that state.

> > And as far as I have understood, Ketu plays a very significant

role

> > in catalysing one to reach that state by creating detachment,

> > obstacles or whatever it is. In short, Ketu is the planet which

> > pushes one to that state. Unless there is somebody to guide (be

it by

> > pressurising or in a smooth way), the state is not reached. And

till

> > the state is reached isnt such a catalysing factor essential? And

if

> > Ketu does that job perfectly, why is still excluded?

> >

> > Exclusion of Ketu seems like Ketu doesnt have any

significance

> > in ones life time. Also it seems as if moksha is something

separate

> > from the life,something which cannot be connected to the life.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, dakshinamoorthi r

> > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms.Jyothi Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Even Rahu cannot become a karaka unless there is a tie

> > > up between two planets for a karakatwa thereby leaving

> > > some karakatwa vacant by Jaimini Muni Pramana.

> > >

> > > I will quote Adhyaya 1 Pada 1 Sutra 11 for your

> > > reference:

> > >

> > > "Aathmadikah kalaadibhirna bhogah saptaanaam

> > > ashtaanaamva"

> > >

> > > meaning of the seven planets from Sun to Saturn, or

> > > the eight planets from Sun to Rahu, whichever get the

> > > highest number of degrees becomes the atmakaraka.

> > >

> > > Another point you should note is that Rahu and Ketu

> > > are deemed to have got higher number of degrees in the

> > > reverse order ( I mean to say, subtract the longitude

> > > of Rahu from 30 deg. The resultant is to be taken as

> > > the degrees attained by Rahu for the purpose of

> > > determining whether it has got more degrees or not).

> > > This is my view which was corroborated also by Dr.

> > > B.V.RAMAN of revered memory (Ofcourse you must be

> > > aware of that Great Man!).

> > >

> > > These are axioms not theorems. (Mathematics students

> > > will know it. An axiom is a First principle that is

> > > assumed to be true and that cannot be proved as

> > > opposed to a theorem for which a logical proof can be

> > > derived).

> > >

> > > Though I appreciate your enthusiasm and research bent

> > > of mind, kindly differentiate between an axiom and a

> > > theory while discussing these topics.

> > >

> > > Another point is interesting to note. Even in Prasna

> > > shastra (in ashtamangala prasna) only eight planets

> > > are included (excluding Ketu) while deriving various

> > > significations. The savants must have had their own

> > > reasons for that.

> > >

> > > Or, may be as Ketu is a significator for ultimate

> > > realization and final emancipation and Eternal Wisdom,

> > > he may not have a portfolio for mundane events. For

> > > instance, you cannot have an ascetic as a head of a

> > > charitable trust! (Though you see Godmen managing

> > > ashrams and other grand things, it is against the

> > > basic tenet of real ascetism. Lord Dattatreya -

> > > considered to be the adi guru of ascetism says that

> > > even the company of 2 persons may lead to unnecessary

> > > words and strife and deviate one from the real Goal of

> > > Realization). This is only my humble logic which

> > > ofcourse may not be correct. The rishis would have

> > > DEFINITELY had their own higher logics for that.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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<jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Bharatji,

This time I understood what you said. Thanks. I would

appreciate if you come up with why Ketu is excluded.

Regards,

Jyothi.

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

>

> Mokshakaraka does not mean that causes the Moksha. If Moksha can be

caused,

> then, it is still under the purview of cause and effect. Freedom is

an

> already achieved end but it is question of realizing the same. As

earlier, I

> wouldn't get in a philosophical debate with you.

>

> Ketu is not part of conscious effort. It is part of instinctual and

> mechanical action and therefore, not a karaka. It lends reality

to "past"

> and hence makes time seem "real".

>

> In my view, Intuition is not Ketu forte, but instincts are. It is

best to

> define the term to understand it better - Intuition is learnt know-

how but

> linkages to its current memory aren't present. So we know somehow,

what is

> and what isn't, yet we cannot place its direct reference to memory.

There is

> a strong connection of intuition with Jupiter.

>

> Any person who studies oneself for knowing oneself, not as a hobby

or

> interest, but with mumukshatvam, will explain that past experiences

play a

> major role in analysis and discrimination. With the past are

carried the

> notions of limitedness, complexes, etc. Hence, it can be said to

play a

> role.

>

> Why Ketu is included to represent the sthira karaka, has a

connection to

> instincts and past. I haven't checked it up and will soon do, if I

find

> time.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 12/21/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> >

> > Shall I share some more thoughts which arose on reading

> > your mail? The reason that ketu is a Moksha karaka and it is not

> > significant for mundane gains, as I said seems a bit

unsatisfactory.

> > Now I will say why I feel so. A person when born, is not by

default a

> > jeevanmukta. He is gradually or step by step attaining that state.

> > And as far as I have understood, Ketu plays a very significant

role

> > in catalysing one to reach that state by creating detachment,

> > obstacles or whatever it is. In short, Ketu is the planet which

> > pushes one to that state. Unless there is somebody to guide (be

it by

> > pressurising or in a smooth way), the state is not reached. And

till

> > the state is reached isnt such a catalysing factor essential? And

if

> > Ketu does that job perfectly, why is still excluded?

> >

> > Exclusion of Ketu seems like Ketu doesnt have any

significance

> > in ones life time. Also it seems as if moksha is something

separate

> > from the life,something which cannot be connected to the life.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > vedic astrology, dakshinamoorthi r

> > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms.Jyothi Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Even Rahu cannot become a karaka unless there is a tie

> > > up between two planets for a karakatwa thereby leaving

> > > some karakatwa vacant by Jaimini Muni Pramana.

> > >

> > > I will quote Adhyaya 1 Pada 1 Sutra 11 for your

> > > reference:

> > >

> > > "Aathmadikah kalaadibhirna bhogah saptaanaam

> > > ashtaanaamva"

> > >

> > > meaning of the seven planets from Sun to Saturn, or

> > > the eight planets from Sun to Rahu, whichever get the

> > > highest number of degrees becomes the atmakaraka.

> > >

> > > Another point you should note is that Rahu and Ketu

> > > are deemed to have got higher number of degrees in the

> > > reverse order ( I mean to say, subtract the longitude

> > > of Rahu from 30 deg. The resultant is to be taken as

> > > the degrees attained by Rahu for the purpose of

> > > determining whether it has got more degrees or not).

> > > This is my view which was corroborated also by Dr.

> > > B.V.RAMAN of revered memory (Ofcourse you must be

> > > aware of that Great Man!).

> > >

> > > These are axioms not theorems. (Mathematics students

> > > will know it. An axiom is a First principle that is

> > > assumed to be true and that cannot be proved as

> > > opposed to a theorem for which a logical proof can be

> > > derived).

> > >

> > > Though I appreciate your enthusiasm and research bent

> > > of mind, kindly differentiate between an axiom and a

> > > theory while discussing these topics.

> > >

> > > Another point is interesting to note. Even in Prasna

> > > shastra (in ashtamangala prasna) only eight planets

> > > are included (excluding Ketu) while deriving various

> > > significations. The savants must have had their own

> > > reasons for that.

> > >

> > > Or, may be as Ketu is a significator for ultimate

> > > realization and final emancipation and Eternal Wisdom,

> > > he may not have a portfolio for mundane events. For

> > > instance, you cannot have an ascetic as a head of a

> > > charitable trust! (Though you see Godmen managing

> > > ashrams and other grand things, it is against the

> > > basic tenet of real ascetism. Lord Dattatreya -

> > > considered to be the adi guru of ascetism says that

> > > even the company of 2 persons may lead to unnecessary

> > > words and strife and deviate one from the real Goal of

> > > Realization). This is only my humble logic which

> > > ofcourse may not be correct. The rishis would have

> > > DEFINITELY had their own higher logics for that.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://in.messenger.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astrology chart</gads?

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