To Bharatji: Why Ketu cannot be atmakaraka?- Query by Ms.Jyothi Lakshmi.

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Dear sir,

 

Sorry. I meant to say why it is not excluded from sthira

karakas. Why the same reason reason is not applied there?

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

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<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

>

> I have already explained why Ketu is excluded. Please read the

message

> again.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 12/22/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharatji,

> >

> > This time I understood what you said. Thanks. I would

> > appreciate if you come up with why Ketu is excluded.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology

> > <hinduastrology@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Jyothi

> > >

> > > Mokshakaraka does not mean that causes the Moksha. If Moksha

can be

> > caused,

> > > then, it is still under the purview of cause and effect.

Freedom is

> > an

> > > already achieved end but it is question of realizing the same.

As

> > earlier, I

> > > wouldn't get in a philosophical debate with you.

> > >

> > > Ketu is not part of conscious effort. It is part of instinctual

and

> > > mechanical action and therefore, not a karaka. It lends reality

> > to "past"

> > > and hence makes time seem "real".

> > >

> > > In my view, Intuition is not Ketu forte, but instincts are. It

is

> > best to

> > > define the term to understand it better - Intuition is learnt

know-

> > how but

> > > linkages to its current memory aren't present. So we know

somehow,

> > what is

> > > and what isn't, yet we cannot place its direct reference to

memory.

> > There is

> > > a strong connection of intuition with Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Any person who studies oneself for knowing oneself, not as a

hobby

> > or

> > > interest, but with mumukshatvam, will explain that past

experiences

> > play a

> > > major role in analysis and discrimination. With the past are

> > carried the

> > > notions of limitedness, complexes, etc. Hence, it can be said to

> > play a

> > > role.

> > >

> > > Why Ketu is included to represent the sthira karaka, has a

> > connection to

> > > instincts and past. I haven't checked it up and will soon do,

if I

> > find

> > > time.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 12/21/05, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Shall I share some more thoughts which arose on

reading

> > > > your mail? The reason that ketu is a Moksha karaka and it is

not

> > > > significant for mundane gains, as I said seems a bit

> > unsatisfactory.

> > > > Now I will say why I feel so. A person when born, is not by

> > default a

> > > > jeevanmukta. He is gradually or step by step attaining that

state.

> > > > And as far as I have understood, Ketu plays a very significant

> > role

> > > > in catalysing one to reach that state by creating detachment,

> > > > obstacles or whatever it is. In short, Ketu is the planet

which

> > > > pushes one to that state. Unless there is somebody to guide

(be

> > it by

> > > > pressurising or in a smooth way), the state is not reached.

And

> > till

> > > > the state is reached isnt such a catalysing factor essential?

And

> > if

> > > > Ketu does that job perfectly, why is still excluded?

> > > >

> > > > Exclusion of Ketu seems like Ketu doesnt have any

> > significance

> > > > in ones life time. Also it seems as if moksha is something

> > separate

> > > > from the life,something which cannot be connected to the

life.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, dakshinamoorthi r

> > > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ms.Jyothi Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Even Rahu cannot become a karaka unless there is a tie

> > > > > up between two planets for a karakatwa thereby leaving

> > > > > some karakatwa vacant by Jaimini Muni Pramana.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will quote Adhyaya 1 Pada 1 Sutra 11 for your

> > > > > reference:

> > > > >

> > > > > "Aathmadikah kalaadibhirna bhogah saptaanaam

> > > > > ashtaanaamva"

> > > > >

> > > > > meaning of the seven planets from Sun to Saturn, or

> > > > > the eight planets from Sun to Rahu, whichever get the

> > > > > highest number of degrees becomes the atmakaraka.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another point you should note is that Rahu and Ketu

> > > > > are deemed to have got higher number of degrees in the

> > > > > reverse order ( I mean to say, subtract the longitude

> > > > > of Rahu from 30 deg. The resultant is to be taken as

> > > > > the degrees attained by Rahu for the purpose of

> > > > > determining whether it has got more degrees or not).

> > > > > This is my view which was corroborated also by Dr.

> > > > > B.V.RAMAN of revered memory (Ofcourse you must be

> > > > > aware of that Great Man!).

> > > > >

> > > > > These are axioms not theorems. (Mathematics students

> > > > > will know it. An axiom is a First principle that is

> > > > > assumed to be true and that cannot be proved as

> > > > > opposed to a theorem for which a logical proof can be

> > > > > derived).

> > > > >

> > > > > Though I appreciate your enthusiasm and research bent

> > > > > of mind, kindly differentiate between an axiom and a

> > > > > theory while discussing these topics.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another point is interesting to note. Even in Prasna

> > > > > shastra (in ashtamangala prasna) only eight planets

> > > > > are included (excluding Ketu) while deriving various

> > > > > significations. The savants must have had their own

> > > > > reasons for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Or, may be as Ketu is a significator for ultimate

> > > > > realization and final emancipation and Eternal Wisdom,

> > > > > he may not have a portfolio for mundane events. For

> > > > > instance, you cannot have an ascetic as a head of a

> > > > > charitable trust! (Though you see Godmen managing

> > > > > ashrams and other grand things, it is against the

> > > > > basic tenet of real ascetism. Lord Dattatreya -

> > > > > considered to be the adi guru of ascetism says that

> > > > > even the company of 2 persons may lead to unnecessary

> > > > > words and strife and deviate one from the real Goal of

> > > > > Realization). This is only my humble logic which

> > > > > ofcourse may not be correct. The rishis would have

> > > > > DEFINITELY had their own higher logics for that.

> > > > >

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