Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa Classic referance.

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Dear Members,

 

This Dasa is Mentioned in BHPS commentary by Shri Sita Ram Jha.

 

Chapter 47 "Dasa adday'' Sloke No.150 to 152.

 

Detail description is also given in Bhred Jattak as claimed by writer.

 

Calculation and order is different as mentioned by Raman Suprajarama's mail.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Vijay Goel

 

 

Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:35:04 -0800 (PST) Sunil John

<suniljohn_2002 >Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa (C.S.Patel & Raman

Suprarajama) Dear Chandrashekharji & Other members, Pls find below Mr.

Ramans response mail which was not forwarded to other groups who were a part of

the earlier series of mails. Swee has been kind to forward Mr.Ramans reply

with examples, though his mail didnt respond to my queries appropriately at all

as to why the technique of bhuktis from his article is not at all working in the

examples given by him. Further interesting points i will point out in his mail

below. Before that I would narrate Shri C.S.Patels views, which upon the

reminder of Respected Chandrashekharji I asked Chandubhai today (C.S.Patel)

I was scared to ask Chandubhai about Ashtakvarga Dasas since i had not read his

Classic on the Ashtakvarga (1957), he instantly pointed out that he and Iyer

didnt divulge this Dasa in their book. I asked him whats the classical

reference behind it and he said Parasara. I replied that its not possible since

all our list members have read Parasara's work and no one seemed to knew about

it. He raised his voice saying that Arudhas are mentioned in Parasaras work but

until he came out with his book on Arudhas no one seemed to talk about Arudhas,

and how to use it. Only few people who can be counted on fingertips could know

how to use it. I waited patiently for 15 mins quietly and finallys he said i

should not concentrate on Ashtakvarga Dasas. He was also upset that i had not

read his book (written in 1957) since the dasa had been mentioned in it.

Brief Mention on the Ashtakvarga Dasas in his book Mention 1 Introduction

Pg XVII The Ashtakvarga Sstem of Dasas: In this method the Shodhapindas of the

planets are multiplied by 7 and the product is divided by 27. The quotient is

Nakshatra yrs. These are subject to Mandala corrrections and reduction to a)

planetary conjunctions and b) due to positions in the visible half of the

birthchart. This has been fully worked out. In this system the periods

contributed by the planets are variable according to the Shodhyapinda. The

Antaras, their order and their periods also diifer in every horoscope SJ

Remarks: I think this grossly differs to the calculation pointed out by Mr.

Raman unless what Patel in the above paragraph is talking about is Ayurdasas

Mention 2 in this book Introduction Pg XXiii The Ashtakvarga Dasa, though

highly spoken of by ancient teachers of astrology is not availed of in practice

now-a-days Mention 3 I cant find it right now, though i read it in the

afternoon. In my conversation repeatedly i asked him if it is not AyurDasas

that i am talking about and he said yes it is different and all matters can be

seen but he wasnt impressed by this topic of discussion at all. He pulled me

back to work on this new book for which Chandrashekarji i am going to take ur

and others help from this group. Now, below we find Mr. Ramans response to

my queries, my comments on that a) Although he says that he has used jhora

but in the recent first 2 examples which i checked, the Sodya Pindas of Ven

used by him is different to what Jhora gives, same issue in my 1st earlier mail

i had pointed out in his published article. He didnt even address that b) He

hasnt replie to give explanation as to why Bhukti determinationa technique in

his published article doesnt work. c) He doesnt give classical reference or

from where he learnt this technique. d) He additionally gives some

definition of Vivaha as just mere sex also that this dasa points out, now this

was not published in the article in the magazine, which as the case maybe then

my interest in this dasa after so much of pomp pomp on it has dwindled

completely. e) I shall try and maybe correspond with him now, though i have

lost his email id, might ask Sushmita our old member since she had corresponded

with him couple of times. In the mail forwarded by Swee his mail id was

deleted, maybe i shall ask Swee about it. Pls find below Mr.Ramans mail

Regards, Sunil John Mumbai P.S: somehow after the first mail from PVR,

there has been no response from him, maybe he has gotten busy with the Pooja

Warm regards, Raman Suprajarama

---------------- Dear Friends, I am glad that the article has aroused

interest among the astrological family. It was father's desire and advice that

the article be written. A few important points have to be noted. The

articles have been wrongly titled. The article appearing in our September 2005

issue is on Graha Dasa and that in our December 2005 issue is on Rasi Dasa.

We can classify the Dasa systems broadly into two categories. They are Rasi Dasa

and Graha Dasa. Vimshottari, Ashottari etc fall under Graha (Planets) Dasa and

Chara, Sthira, Trikona etc fall under Rasi (Signs) Dasa. Ashtakavarga Dasa,

either Rasi based or Graha based, further falls under Gochara section. There is

a difference between a natal fixed horoscope analysis and a gochara analysis. I

will not be going in detail about the differences in this mail, but will

definitely be speaking about them in the upcoming SJC Conference 2006.

Coming back to Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa with respect the marriage, we need to

first understand what "Vivaha" is. Vivaha simply put means marriage. But in

actual terms, it is much more that mere exchange of garlands, rings or tying

the knot. Vivaha can be understood as a complete acceptance and respect of a

male and female in terms of mind, body, soul etc. Gochara section helps us to

identify such scenarios which are reality in the illusory world. In the

amarakosha, Vivaha comes under the Brahma Varga and not under Kshatriya or

other Vargas. If it had come under Kshatriya Varga, the term Vivaha can be

understood as a physical union for gratification of senses or for mutual

benefit. In current times, Living Together relationships and the like fall

under this category. Vivaha, falling under Brahma Varga, means more than

this. A couple might have exchanged garlands and signed the marriage register,

but this does not amount to Vivaha. For Vivaha to take place, a mutual

acceptance of Brahmic attributes is essential. The following three examples

might help in understanding the beauty of Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa. Some have

asked as to which Software I use for calculations. We use our own software.

However, for the benefit of members, in the current email, I am using the

values calculated using Jagannatha Hora of Narasimha Rao. The values are quite

accurate and reliable. Example 1: Bill Gates, October 28, 1955 at 9:15:00

pm, Seattle The Mahadasa periods are as follows (Chara Dasa): Ge:

10/28/1955 - 10/28/1959 Ta: 10/28/1959 -

10/28/1964 Ar: 10/28/1964 - 10/28/1969 Pi:

10/28/1969 - 10/27/1976 Aq: 10/27/1976 -

10/28/1981 Cp: 10/28/1981 - 10/28/1985 Sg:

10/28/1985 - 10/28/1993 Sc: 10/28/1993 -

10/28/2003 Li: 10/28/2003 - 10/28/2015 Vi:

10/28/2015 - 10/28/2027 Le: 10/28/2027 -

10/27/2036 Cn: 10/27/2036 - 10/27/2040 In the

Navamsa, UL falls in Leo. The 2nd house is Virgo and has the influence of Rahu

and Ketu. The 7th house, Aquarius, is free of influences. Virgo becomes

stronger. Sagittarius, Pisces and Gemini aspect Virgo and become eligible to

facilitate marriage. Let us consider Sagittarius Dasa. The bhuktis are as

follows: Li: 28-Oct-85 - 28-Jun-86 Sc:

28-Jun-86 - 27-Feb-87 Sg: 27-Feb-87 -

28-Oct-87 Cp: 28-Oct-87 - 28-Jun-88 Aq: 28-Jun-88

- 26-Feb-89 Ps: 26-Feb-89 - 28-Oct-89

Ar: 28-Oct-89 - 28-Jun-90 Ta: 28-Jun-90 -

27-Feb-91 Gm: 27-Feb-91 - 28-Oct-91 Cn:

28-Oct-91 - 28-Jun-92 Le: 28-Jun-92 -

26-Feb-93 Vi: 26-Feb-93 - 28-Oct-93 Sodya Pinda of

Venus is 186 and there 3 bindus in the 7th house from Venus in Binna

Ashtakavarga. 186 * 3 = 558 mod 12 = 6 indicating Virgo. Virgo and its

trines can give marriage. Vivaha is likely to have taken place in Pisces-Virgo

ie between 26-Feb-93 and 28-Oct-93. The official marriage, however took place

on January 1, 1994. Example 2: George W Bush, July 6, 1946 7:26:00 am, USA

Cn: 6-Jul-46 - 5-Jul-56 Le: 5-Jul-56

- 6-Jul-58 Vi: 6-Jul-58 - 5-Jul-60 Li:

5-Jul-60 - 5-Jul-69 Sc: 5-Jul-69 -

6-Jul-78 Sg: 6-Jul-78 - 6-Jul-87 Cp:

6-Jul-87 - 5-Jul-93 Aq: 5-Jul-93 -

5-Jul-00 Pi: 5-Jul-00 - 5-Jul-06 Ar:

5-Jul-06 - 5-Jul-10 Ta: 5-Jul-10 -

5-Jul-12 Ge: 5-Jul-12 - 5-Jul-13 In Navamsa, UL

falls in Scorpio. Sagittarius and Taurus become eligible. Sagittarius has

Mercury and becomes more powerful. Pisces, Gemini and Virgo aspect Sagittarius

and become eligible to facilitate Marriage. The bhuktis in Sagittarius Dasa

are: Cn: 6-Jul-78 - 5-Apr-79 Le: 5-Apr-79

- 4-Jan-80 Vi: 4-Jan-80 - 4-Oct-80

Li: 4-Oct-80 - 5-Jul-81 Sc: 5-Jul-81

- 5-Apr-82 Sg: 5-Apr-82 - 4-Jan-83 Cp:

4-Jan-83 - 5-Oct-83 Aq: 5-Oct-83 -

5-Jul-84 Ps: 5-Jul-84 - 5-Apr-85 Ar:

5-Apr-85 - 4-Jan-86 Ta: 4-Jan-86 -

5-Oct-86 Gm: 5-Oct-86 - 6-Jul-87 Sodya Pinda of

Venus I 73 and it has 4 bindus in the 7th from it. 73 * 4 = 292 MOD 12 = 4

indicates Cancer. Cancer and its trines can indicate marriage. Cancer Bhukti

could have given Vivaha (6-Jul-78 to 5-Apr-79). The official exchange of rings

took place on Nov 5, 1977 (perhaps Kshatriya type) and Vivaha took place much

later. Example 3: Male, December 4, 1978, 4.54 pm, Bangalore The

Mahadasas are as follows: Ta: 4-Dec-78 - 4-Dec-83

Ar: 4-Dec-83 - 4-Dec-91 Pi: 4-Dec-91 -

4-Dec-00 Aq: 4-Dec-00 - 4-Dec-05 Cp:

4-Dec-05 - 4-Dec-10 Sg: 4-Dec-10 -

4-Dec-18 Sc: 4-Dec-18 - 4-Dec-22 Li: 4-Dec-22

- 4-Dec-34 Vi: 4-Dec-34 - 3-Dec-44

Le: 3-Dec-44 - 3-Dec-53 Cn: 3-Dec-53 -

4-Dec-59 Ge: 4-Dec-59 - 3-Dec-64 In Navamsa,

Taurus is UL. The 2nd and 7th signs are Taurus and Libra. Taurus is influenced

by Moon, but Libra is influenced by 2 planets, viz., Saturn and Mars. Hence,

Libra becomes powerful. Aquarius, Taurus and Leo aspect the sign and becomes

eligible to facilitate Marriage. Let us consider Aquarius Dasa. The

Bhukti's are as follows: Li 4-Dec-00 - 5-May-01

Sc 5-May-01 - 4-Oct-01 Sg 4-Oct-01 -

5-Mar-02 Cp 5-Mar-02 - 4-Aug-02 Aq

4-Aug-02 - 3-Jan-03 Ps 3-Jan-03 -

5-Jun-03 Ar 5-Jun-03 - 4-Nov-03 Ta 4-Nov-03

- 4-Apr-04 Gm 4-Apr-04 - 3-Sep-04 Cn

3-Sep-04 - 2-Feb-05 Le 2-Feb-05 -

4-Jul-05 Vi 4-Jul-05 - 4-Dec-05 SP of Venus

is 87 and it has 5 bindus in the 7th from it. 87 * 5 = 435 MOD 12 = 3

indicates Gemini. Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces aspect Gemini and can

facilitate marriage. Vivaha took place in the month of August 2002 and the

marriage took place in September 2002. In above example, the three charts

give three different scenarios. Ashtakavarga Dasa beautifully identifies the

Vivaha time in this illusory world. Please note that the Dasa system helps us

identify the Brahmic marriage. In current times, marriage has no meaning and

the system fails in identifying such marriages. Om Tat Sat, Raman

Suprajarama