You have A problem... Mr. Ashutosh -- War of Astrologers

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anything other than Vedicastrology, I will not post.Till they let me know, stop

being self appointedinvigilator.I will refuse to comment on your postings about

Rahucentric theory since it will not serve any purpose.Tatvam-Asi---

astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr>wrote:--- astrologerashutosh

<astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr>wrote:> Dear Tatvam,> > As I

have cautioned earlier too,> this group has majority of such members who do

not> have deep knowledge of jyotish and are just> beginners or are here simply

for some astrological> advices.> > Short-cuts in jyotish have some

unwanted and> wrong effects on general populace and can give rise> to

unnecessary worries.> > I had devised almost fifty short-cuts when I>

was studying this science. But, over a period of> time and after practical

experience of analysing> around twenty to thirty horoscopes everyday, which I>

still do, all those short-cuts vanished.> > A person might be studying

astrology since> ages, but if he has been steadfastly following the> wrong

procedure then all his time spent becomes> meaningless.> > It is an

unconscious habit among astrologers> to develop theories by finding them

applicable in> their own or some of their aquaintances' cases. But,> it is not

necessary that these will be applicable to> all. > > As far as

rahu-centric

theory is concerned,> I have some data of fraternal twins who were born> with a

difrence of ten minutes but they have> different ascendents. They will be

showing almost> same results with rahu-centric theory, but their> ascendents

show very diverse results.> > Theory bases on any one planet or one

yoga> or one nakshatra, is a half-baked short-cut method> to save time and it

only amounts to jumping to> conclusions. Only those people who do not have>

sufficient knowledge stick to such methods. But, I> am surprised that you have

deep knowledge of jyotish> and still you are going by short-cuts. > > >

I am sorry, I had great expectations from a> senior like you. I would

say that many young> astrologers in this group are

doing a far better> job. Something which is wrong is wrong. Whether> people like

it or not, I have to point out such> mistakes to save astrology from

degradation. > > > No astrologer is more important than> astrology.

I am not blinded by ego or a lack of> knowledge. I have tested your theories and

then only> I am giving my opinion. I am not here to please> anyone, but to bring

out the truth in jyotish. > > > Ashutosh > > > > > >

- > tatvam asi > To:

> Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 13:28>

Subject:

You have some problem Sri Asutosh> ji?> > > Dear Asutoshji,> > Rahu

centric theoryhas been formulated and is> undergoing a lot of tests.> So

far it has stood good in my view.> I am not able to understand what you mean

by short> cuts.> Vipat Dasa is 3rd dasa. You need to read Nakshatra>

padhhati for understanding this.> As far as your adice about not to

popularise my> system> calling it a short cut and you have equated it to> SA>

system, is rarther unfortunate.> If my sysytem is not palatable to the

group, Chi.> Tanveer or moderators will tell me so.> For your kind

information, most of my research and> HP> Theory has been given an

opportunity by JR

group.> I am> here since slightly above last three years (Almost> four) for

your kind information.> > If you feel that you do not like my postings,>

please> do not read them.> > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > --- astrologerashutosh>

<astrologerashutosh (AT) (DOT) fr>> wrote:> > > Dear Tatvam-Asi,> > > >

With due respect. > > > > Between the age of 20

and 30, most of> the> > people are in their third dasha. Calling third>

dasha> > a

"Vipatti Dasha" is not a wise step. I am> myself> > going through third dasha,

that too Jupiter's,> and> > it has not been full of "Vipattis" for me. I>

have> > seen many people progressing a lot in their> third> > dashas if

these dashas are of yogakarak planets> in> > their charts. > > > >

Would you explain the reasons behind> your> > phrase "Vipatti Dasha".> > >

> You have excellent knowledge of jyotish,> but> > some of your ideas

are simply short-cuts, like> > rahu-centric theory, which are akin to "System>

> Analysis" theory which is banned in this group.

> > > > If everything is to be seen by rahu,> then> > what is the

use of calculating janma-lagna and> other> > charts. I advise you not to

popularise> short-cuts in> > the name of astrology.> > > > > >

Regards,> > > > Ashutosh> > > > > > > >

> > - > > tatvam asi >

> > > Wednesday, 28 December,

2005 06:49> > Re: Depressed as nothing seems> to> > work

out - Please Help> > > > > > Vivek,> > You are passing thro 3rd

dasa of Guru which is> > Vipatti> > dasa and sub period of Mangal .> >

This marriage will not work. Second marriage,> if> > you> > are not

careful, may also be unhappy because> you> > will> > be passing thro dasa

chidra period having Rahu> > bhukti> > in Guru dasa.>

> So be careful in choosing the second partner..> > Your work front,you

will have rollor coaster> ride> > for> > another 3 to 4 years.> > But

you should not get disheartned.> > Sani dasa would be best period in life.

You> will> > have> > your own quota of worries though during sani> >

dasa..> > But it will be better than Guru dasa.> > First quarter of

2006, you would land a job.> > Continue> > doing that eventhough it may

not be to your> > liking.> > Better things await you in 2nd half.> >

Beware of depressive

thoughts and> ulcers/stomach> > problems.> > > > Chant ,> > "Namo

Loe Savvasahunam: Mantra 108 times per> day> === message truncated ===

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Dear Sir,

 

While waiting for the wise gurus to comment on this frequently

occuring phenomenon, the battle of beliefs -- because that is what

it is more often than not -- strong opinions about astrological

techniques would only bear fruit if they can be demonstrated to be

validatable by independent observers/examiners. That has been the

test that science and scientists have adopted (another Tsunami on

the Jyotish scene?).

 

Until that day happens, when demonstration is direct and

unquestionable and not anecdotal or third party ("I read Mr. so and

so of much authorship state so unequivocally -- etc.") such battles

of opinions will continue and rouse many emotions and agendas and so

on. Pardon my directness!

 

Until we get to the stage where a birthdata alone given to us

jyotishis, big and small, is capable of revealing all that Jyotish

is capable of or claimed to be able to fathom -- such debates, and

doubts and hurt sentiments and clouds created by many sources shall

continue! Until such clarity really touches us Jyotishis, the street-

fights shall not abate.

 

Please do not get upset or alarmed at each challenge, for many such

challenges are innocent -- in that they do not arise from a position

of knowing, but a position of seeking! Like the seekings of one who

is halfway up to the peak of Everest. It is visible and almost seems

approachable but "I" am not there yet! Big difference!!

 

Even when some of the questions and doubts are voiced somewhat

confrontationally and perhaps not really intended to be so, there is

learning or potential learning that lurks in there. The questions

and doubts and debates almost never come from someone who has

arrived at the truth, for once one has arrived at the peak of

Everest, only teaching can come down, but rarely criticism -- for

example, Parashara and what we believe are his sayings, if not

writings!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

vedic astrology, GodIsWithin GodIsWithin

<god_is_with_in> wrote:

>

>

> Dear learned Gurus

>

> Couldnt any one predict this happening? What stars, plantes,

dashas, ADs, MDs, lagnas etc provoke these kind of happenings

between two Gurus?

>

> I'm a novice in astrology so please explain patiently if anyone

as time. Dont take off on me, kindly.

>

>

> With warm regards

>

> tatvam asi <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> Mr. Ashutosh,

>

> I do not want to discuss anything anymore with you.

> You have assumed astrology policing bordering on a

> Vigilante's role overlapping Tanveer and Gaurav's own

> roles.

>

>

> Please take up this issue with them. If they feel it

> is improper to write on anything other than Vedic

> astrology, I will not post.

> Till they let me know, stop being self appointed

> invigilator.

> I will refuse to comment on your postings about Rahu

> centric theory since it will not serve any purpose.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

--- astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh>

> wrote:

>

>

> --- astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Tatvam,

> >

> > As I have cautioned earlier too,

> > this group has majority of such members who do not

> > have deep knowledge of jyotish and are just

> > beginners or are here simply for some astrological

> > advices.

> >

> > Short-cuts in jyotish have some unwanted and

> > wrong effects on general populace and can give rise

> > to unnecessary worries.

> >

> > I had devised almost fifty short-cuts when I

> > was studying this science. But, over a period of

> > time and after practical experience of analysing

> > around twenty to thirty horoscopes everyday, which I

> > still do, all those short-cuts vanished.

> >

> > A person might be studying astrology since

> > ages, but if he has been steadfastly following the

> > wrong procedure then all his time spent becomes

> > meaningless.

> >

> > It is an unconscious habit among astrologers

> > to develop theories by finding them applicable in

> > their own or some of their aquaintances' cases. But,

> > it is not necessary that these will be applicable to

> > all.

> >

> > As far as rahu-centric theory is concerned,

> > I have some data of fraternal twins who were born

> > with a difrence of ten minutes but they have

> > different ascendents. They will be showing almost

> > same results with rahu-centric theory, but their

> > ascendents show very diverse results.

> >

> > Theory bases on any one planet or one yoga

> > or one nakshatra, is a half-baked short-cut method

> > to save time and it only amounts to jumping to

> > conclusions. Only those people who do not have

> > sufficient knowledge stick to such methods. But, I

> > am surprised that you have deep knowledge of jyotish

> > and still you are going by short-cuts.

> >

> >

> > I am sorry, I had great expectations from a

> > senior like you. I would say that many young

> > astrologers in this group are doing a far better

> > job. Something which is wrong is wrong. Whether

> > people like it or not, I have to point out such

> > mistakes to save astrology from degradation.

> >

> >

> > No astrologer is more important than

> > astrology. I am not blinded by ego or a lack of

> > knowledge. I have tested your theories and then only

> > I am giving my opinion. I am not here to please

> > anyone, but to bring out the truth in jyotish.

> >

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > tatvam asi

> >

> > Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 13:28

> > You have some problem Sri Asutosh

> > ji?

> >

> >

> > Dear Asutoshji,

> >

> > Rahu centric theoryhas been formulated and is

> > undergoing a lot of tests.

> > So far it has stood good in my view.

> > I am not able to understand what you mean by short

> > cuts.

> > Vipat Dasa is 3rd dasa. You need to read Nakshatra

> > padhhati for understanding this.

> > As far as your adice about not to popularise my

> > system

> > calling it a short cut and you have equated it to

> > SA

> > system, is rarther unfortunate.

> > If my sysytem is not palatable to the group, Chi.

> > Tanveer or moderators will tell me so.

> > For your kind information, most of my research and

> > HP

> > Theory has been given an opportunity by JR group.

> > I am

> > here since slightly above last three years (Almost

> > four) for your kind information.

> >

> > If you feel that you do not like my postings,

> > please

> > do not read them.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- astrologerashutosh

> > <astrologerashutosh>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Tatvam-Asi,

> > >

> > > With due respect.

> > >

> > > Between the age of 20 and 30, most of

> > the

> > > people are in their third dasha. Calling third

> > dasha

> > > a "Vipatti Dasha" is not a wise step. I am

> > myself

> > > going through third dasha, that too Jupiter's,

> > and

> > > it has not been full of "Vipattis" for me. I

> > have

> > > seen many people progressing a lot in their

> > third

> > > dashas if these dashas are of yogakarak planets

> > in

> > > their charts.

> > >

> > > Would you explain the reasons behind

> > your

> > > phrase "Vipatti Dasha".

> > >

> > > You have excellent knowledge of jyotish,

> > but

> > > some of your ideas are simply short-cuts, like

> > > rahu-centric theory, which are akin to "System

> > > Analysis" theory which is banned in this group.

> > >

> > > If everything is to be seen by rahu,

> > then

> > > what is the use of calculating janma-lagna and

> > other

> > > charts. I advise you not to popularise

> > short-cuts in

> > > the name of astrology.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > tatvam asi

> > >

> > > Wednesday, 28 December, 2005 06:49

> > > Re: Depressed as nothing seems

> > to

> > > work out - Please Help

> > >

> > >

> > > Vivek,

> > > You are passing thro 3rd dasa of Guru which is

> > > Vipatti

> > > dasa and sub period of Mangal .

> > > This marriage will not work. Second marriage,

> > if

> > > you

> > > are not careful, may also be unhappy because

> > you

> > > will

> > > be passing thro dasa chidra period having Rahu

> > > bhukti

> > > in Guru dasa.

> > > So be careful in choosing the second partner..

> > > Your work front,you will have rollor coaster

> > ride

> > > for

> > > another 3 to 4 years.

> > > But you should not get disheartned.

> > > Sani dasa would be best period in life. You

> > will

> > > have

> > > your own quota of worries though during sani

> > > dasa..

> > > But it will be better than Guru dasa.

> > > First quarter of 2006, you would land a job.

> > > Continue

> > > doing that eventhough it may not be to your

> > > liking.

> > > Better things await you in 2nd half.

> > > Beware of depressive thoughts and

> > ulcers/stomach

> > > problems.

> > >

> > > Chant ,

> > > "Namo Loe Savvasahunam: Mantra 108 times per

> > day

> >

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