Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Respected RR ji, How come someone has posted happenings of other group in VA group? I am surprised. As usual, my knowledge of english language (which is very limited) has failed me to understand your english language usage in your post . You may send me a PM to let me know the meaning of your post. Thanx Tatvam-Asi --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > Dear Sir, > > While waiting for the wise gurus to comment on this > frequently > occuring phenomenon, the battle of beliefs -- > because that is what > it is more often than not -- strong opinions about > astrological > techniques would only bear fruit if they can be > demonstrated to be > validatable by independent observers/examiners. That > has been the > test that science and scientists have adopted > (another Tsunami on > the Jyotish scene?). > > Until that day happens, when demonstration is direct > and > unquestionable and not anecdotal or third party ("I > read Mr. so and > so of much authorship state so unequivocally -- > etc.") such battles > of opinions will continue and rouse many emotions > and agendas and so > on. Pardon my directness! > > Until we get to the stage where a birthdata alone > given to us > jyotishis, big and small, is capable of revealing > all that Jyotish > is capable of or claimed to be able to fathom -- > such debates, and > doubts and hurt sentiments and clouds created by > many sources shall > continue! Until such clarity really touches us > Jyotishis, the street- > fights shall not abate. > > Please do not get upset or alarmed at each > challenge, for many such > challenges are innocent -- in that they do not arise > from a position > of knowing, but a position of seeking! Like the > seekings of one who > is halfway up to the peak of Everest. It is visible > and almost seems > approachable but "I" am not there yet! Big > difference!! > > Even when some of the questions and doubts are > voiced somewhat > confrontationally and perhaps not really intended to > be so, there is > learning or potential learning that lurks in there. > The questions > and doubts and debates almost never come from > someone who has > arrived at the truth, for once one has arrived at > the peak of > Everest, only teaching can come down, but rarely > criticism -- for > example, Parashara and what we believe are his > sayings, if not > writings! > > Rohiniranjan > > > vedic astrology, GodIsWithin > GodIsWithin > <god_is_with_in> wrote: > > > > > > Dear learned Gurus > > > > Couldnt any one predict this happening? What > stars, plantes, > dashas, ADs, MDs, lagnas etc provoke these kind of > happenings > between two Gurus? > > > > I'm a novice in astrology so please explain > patiently if anyone > as time. Dont take off on me, kindly. > > > > > > With warm regards > > > > tatvam asi <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > Mr. Ashutosh, > > > > I do not want to discuss anything anymore with > you. > > You have assumed astrology policing bordering on a > > Vigilante's role overlapping Tanveer and Gaurav's > own > > roles. > > > > > > Please take up this issue with them. If they feel > it > > is improper to write on anything other than Vedic > > astrology, I will not post. > > Till they let me know, stop being self appointed > > invigilator. > > I will refuse to comment on your postings about > Rahu > > centric theory since it will not serve any > purpose. > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Tatvam, > > > > > > As I have cautioned earlier > too, > > > this group has majority of such members who do > not > > > have deep knowledge of jyotish and are just > > > beginners or are here simply for some > astrological > > > advices. > > > > > > Short-cuts in jyotish have some unwanted > and > > > wrong effects on general populace and can give > rise > > > to unnecessary worries. > > > > > > I had devised almost fifty short-cuts > when I > > > was studying this science. But, over a period of > > > time and after practical experience of analysing > > > around twenty to thirty horoscopes everyday, > which I > > > still do, all those short-cuts vanished. > > > > > > A person might be studying astrology > since > > > ages, but if he has been steadfastly following > the > > > wrong procedure then all his time spent becomes > > > meaningless. > > > > > > It is an unconscious habit among > astrologers > > > to develop theories by finding them applicable > in > > > their own or some of their aquaintances' cases. > But, > > > it is not necessary that these will be > applicable to > > > all. > > > > > > As far as rahu-centric theory is > concerned, > > > I have some data of fraternal twins who were > born > > > with a difrence of ten minutes but they have > > > different ascendents. They will be showing > almost > > > same results with rahu-centric theory, but their > > > ascendents show very diverse results. > > > > > > Theory bases on any one planet or one > yoga > > > or one nakshatra, is a half-baked short-cut > method > > > to save time and it only amounts to jumping to > > > conclusions. Only those people who do not have > > > sufficient knowledge stick to such methods. But, > I > > > am surprised that you have deep knowledge of > jyotish > > > and still you are going by short-cuts. > > > > > > > > > I am sorry, I had great expectations > from a > > > senior like you. I would say that many young > > > astrologers in this group are doing a far better > > > job. Something which is wrong is wrong. Whether > > > people like it or not, I have to point out such > > > mistakes to save astrology from degradation. > > > > > > > > > No astrologer is more important than > > > astrology. I am not blinded by ego or a lack of > > > knowledge. I have tested your theories and then > only > === message truncated === for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand./cybergivingweek2005/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Dear Sir, Not sure I follow. The posting I responded to had to be from this group because I hit the reply. So not sure which other group you are talking about. However given the illusions that this Kalki awatar (Billicon internet!) I would not even worry too much about all this fog. vedic astrology, Noname Noname <nameisego> wrote: > > Respected RR ji, > > How come someone has posted happenings of other group > in VA group? > I am surprised. > > As usual, my knowledge of english language (which is > very limited) has failed me to understand your english > language usage in your post . > > You may send me a PM to let me know the meaning of > your post. > > Thanx > > Tatvam-Asi > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > > While waiting for the wise gurus to comment on this > > frequently > > occuring phenomenon, the battle of beliefs -- > > because that is what > > it is more often than not -- strong opinions about > > astrological > > techniques would only bear fruit if they can be > > demonstrated to be > > validatable by independent observers/examiners. That > > has been the > > test that science and scientists have adopted > > (another Tsunami on > > the Jyotish scene?). > > > > Until that day happens, when demonstration is direct > > and > > unquestionable and not anecdotal or third party ("I > > read Mr. so and > > so of much authorship state so unequivocally -- > > etc.") such battles > > of opinions will continue and rouse many emotions > > and agendas and so > > on. Pardon my directness! > > > > Until we get to the stage where a birthdata alone > > given to us > > jyotishis, big and small, is capable of revealing > > all that Jyotish > > is capable of or claimed to be able to fathom -- > > such debates, and > > doubts and hurt sentiments and clouds created by > > many sources shall > > continue! Until such clarity really touches us > > Jyotishis, the street- > > fights shall not abate. > > > > Please do not get upset or alarmed at each > > challenge, for many such > > challenges are innocent -- in that they do not arise > > from a position > > of knowing, but a position of seeking! Like the > > seekings of one who > > is halfway up to the peak of Everest. It is visible > > and almost seems > > approachable but "I" am not there yet! Big > > difference!! > > > > Even when some of the questions and doubts are > > voiced somewhat > > confrontationally and perhaps not really intended to > > be so, there is > > learning or potential learning that lurks in there. > > The questions > > and doubts and debates almost never come from > > someone who has > > arrived at the truth, for once one has arrived at > > the peak of > > Everest, only teaching can come down, but rarely > > criticism -- for > > example, Parashara and what we believe are his > > sayings, if not > > writings! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology, GodIsWithin > > GodIsWithin > > <god_is_with_in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear learned Gurus > > > > > > Couldnt any one predict this happening? What > > stars, plantes, > > dashas, ADs, MDs, lagnas etc provoke these kind of > > happenings > > between two Gurus? > > > > > > I'm a novice in astrology so please explain > > patiently if anyone > > as time. Dont take off on me, kindly. > > > > > > > > > With warm regards > > > > > > tatvam asi <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > Mr. Ashutosh, > > > > > > I do not want to discuss anything anymore with > > you. > > > You have assumed astrology policing bordering on a > > > Vigilante's role overlapping Tanveer and Gaurav's > > own > > > roles. > > > > > > > > > Please take up this issue with them. If they feel > > it > > > is improper to write on anything other than Vedic > > > astrology, I will not post. > > > Till they let me know, stop being self appointed > > > invigilator. > > > I will refuse to comment on your postings about > > Rahu > > > centric theory since it will not serve any > > purpose. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- astrologerashutosh <astrologerashutosh> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Tatvam, > > > > > > > > As I have cautioned earlier > > too, > > > > this group has majority of such members who do > > not > > > > have deep knowledge of jyotish and are just > > > > beginners or are here simply for some > > astrological > > > > advices. > > > > > > > > Short-cuts in jyotish have some unwanted > > and > > > > wrong effects on general populace and can give > > rise > > > > to unnecessary worries. > > > > > > > > I had devised almost fifty short-cuts > > when I > > > > was studying this science. But, over a period of > > > > time and after practical experience of analysing > > > > around twenty to thirty horoscopes everyday, > > which I > > > > still do, all those short-cuts vanished. > > > > > > > > A person might be studying astrology > > since > > > > ages, but if he has been steadfastly following > > the > > > > wrong procedure then all his time spent becomes > > > > meaningless. > > > > > > > > It is an unconscious habit among > > astrologers > > > > to develop theories by finding them applicable > > in > > > > their own or some of their aquaintances' cases. > > But, > > > > it is not necessary that these will be > > applicable to > > > > all. > > > > > > > > As far as rahu-centric theory is > > concerned, > > > > I have some data of fraternal twins who were > > born > > > > with a difrence of ten minutes but they have > > > > different ascendents. They will be showing > > almost > > > > same results with rahu-centric theory, but their > > > > ascendents show very diverse results. > > > > > > > > Theory bases on any one planet or one > > yoga > > > > or one nakshatra, is a half-baked short-cut > > method > > > > to save time and it only amounts to jumping to > > > > conclusions. Only those people who do not have > > > > sufficient knowledge stick to such methods. But, > > I > > > > am surprised that you have deep knowledge of > > jyotish > > > > and still you are going by short-cuts. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry, I had great expectations > > from a > > > > senior like you. I would say that many young > > > > astrologers in this group are doing a far better > > > > job. Something which is wrong is wrong. Whether > > > > people like it or not, I have to point out such > > > > mistakes to save astrology from degradation. > > > > > > > > > > > > No astrologer is more important than > > > > astrology. I am not blinded by ego or a lack of > > > > knowledge. I have tested your theories and then > > only > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand./cybergivingweek2005/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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