Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Dear Group members and rk dash: Mr/ Mrs. or ?????? rk dash: You are quoting guruji's words out of context. Ask shri Raghunatha Rao how much difficulty we had in persuading guruji to start a course? Guruji was very hesitant to put the note in the forum at all! It was shri. Raghunatha Raoji and myself who persuaded him to put the note..... Ask the list members who have been rejected for want of Divine Clearance in the Prasna erected for the purpose. If minting money was his motive Guruji need not reject ANY candidate. He has rejected many candidates for want of Divine clearance in the prasna chart erected for the purpose. Do you know how many times I had to try before being accepted as his student? You are just a novice in this forum. Ask any of the senior members of this forum... though they may differ with Guruji on certain occasions, I think none can really say he is dishonourable. You have equated him to a common charlatan and conmaster. You have taken his words out of context. Guruji has been taking only personal classes, and that too only to a handful of students ( not to bunches as you might imagine). It is only on our request he is conducting the classes online. Do they give free internet access to astrologers? Or do they give free electricity? Don't astrologers have expenses? What doyou think? Astrology is not Brahma vidya as idiots like you might think! It is a pravriti vidya - one of the eighteen vedic vidyas that one might use for livelihood. I personally think that the charges as quoted by Panditji are very reasonable. If you save the amount that you spend for your daily coffee that itself will cover the charge as quoted by Panditji. Do you know the number of students who have learnt astrolgy free of cost under guruji's guidance? Kindly do not comment about anyone without knowing about them. Above all, do not be jealous of preceptors. You will get the respect and wealth that they command when you attain their qualities. Search some of the previous posts in these forums to at least have a basic idea about guruji's astrological knowledge. Senior members like Srinadhji, and even P.V.R.Narasimhaji have very high opinion of guruji. By the way, are you offering free services of your education? If your worthless secular education can be used to mint money what is the harm in an expert with multifarious knowledge charging a pittance for a timeless treasure? If you are not interested... well and good.... But, do not abuse great people without knowing them. I will not end the mail with regards because YOU DO NOT DESERVE THAT! JUST 2 DAYS IN TO A FORUM AND PASSING OPINIONS! --- rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Dear group members, > I am just a day old at the group and getting to > see what seems a mercernary jamboree in places. > These exchanges/postings shine some light. I'm > highligting the words for members' consideration. > > > If Divine Will is that I must guide you in > Pancha Pakshi system, I will certainly do it. But, > currently I am not conducting the course on Pancha > Pakshi Shastram as there were not enough persons > willing to take the email-based course. You see I > need enough people to sponsor the course inorder to > cover my expenses arising out of internet usage and > also > to compensate me atleast to some extent for the > time > invested. I know that this is not the way to look > at > this, but, I am a professional astrologer and this > is my full-time profession. When I run a course, I > have > to compromise my practice by limiting my > appointments > and utilize that time to chart out course material > that could be of use to my students. I thought that > if I get at least 10 students willing to enrol and > more importantly if they are found suitable by me, > a > charge of US$100 per person will be feasible for > them (US$1000 may be too high for most persons, > but > US$100 *10 will make it a win-win situation and I > will get the satisfaction of throwing light on this > wonderful > branch of astrology!), and enough for me to cover > my > time and efforts invested in this regard. But, as > this has not been the case, I decided against the > email-based course for the time-being. > > The excerpt is taken from the exchange below my > message. > Sri Dakshnamoorthi is entitled to his fee, for the > vidya he is condescending to teach for $100 (down > from $1,000) must be precious (short of 'valuable'). > I wish I had a better way to express my dissent. My > submission is the wielder of the particular > speciality jyotih shastra -- many of us still hold > it to be a divine vidya* -- has pecuniary > consideration uppermost in agreeing to part (?) (as > different from 'share' ) with his vidya. > Teaching-learning is not quid pro quo. The teacher > does not part. Shradhhaa and paatrataa should guide > those of us who want to enlighten one another. But > then Sri Dakshnamoorthi is entitled to his fee: he > is a professional and has to earn his keep.Fair > enough. Let me point out two things -- 1. the amount > of $100 is still beyond the means of many who are > eminently qualified to receive such specialised > knowledge in jyotih shastra; 2. I urge on the > teacher here to be equal to his spiritual quotient > and not insist on amount. Who knows by not > insisting, he > may come upon greater wealth by way of reward, > monetrary not ruled out. It could at least be a > 'sukrut' a beau geste on his part that the > speciality will be ably wielded by one or two after > him. For that he may have to teach scores; for such > will be the limiting nature of online tutorial -- > the farthest cry from the upanishad mode (the > face-to-face, interactive one). > > May larger considerations guide us at this forum. > > Sincerely > RK Dash > > Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 wrote: > Om Krishna Guru > > Namaste Dakshinamoorthi Ji, > > Thanks for the note in the list and hope enough > students will respond to you soon. I think, > Mohanraaam Ji and I am already interested in this > e-mail course, so you have already 2 students. I > would also encourage my fellow students to take this > opportunity to learn this wonderful brach of Jyotish > and contact you soon directly,if they are > interested. I am very keen on learning this as I > have seen it working like any other branch of > Jyotish. > > If you do not mind keep me posted on how many > responses you have received periodically so that I > know the status. Please let us know when you get > enough responses, so that I can send you the money. > > Thanks again for your willingness to share your > knowledge in advance. > > Regards > Raghunatha Rao > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer > wrote: > Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:57:01 +0000 (GMT) > dakshinamoorthi r > <dakshinastrologer > Re: Thank You Sir > Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 > CC: vedic astrology > > Dear Members, > > Shri. Mohanraaam and Shri. Raghunatha Rao are > pressurizing me to start an email-based course on > Panchapakshi shastra. I wrote back saying that I > will > be most willing to start the email-based course if I > get a minimum of 10 SUITABLE candidates for a fee of > US$100 each. It is not feasible for me to allocate > my > time otherwise. Shri. Rao suggested that I put a > note > in the vedic astrology list to this effect so that > other members who are willing to learn this shastra > from me can also contact me to join the course for a > fee of US$100, and I can start the course when 10 > students join the course. Already some members of > this forum contacted me regarding the course, but > unfortunately, due to some practical considerations > I > could not consider their requests favourably. > > Original message of Shri. Raghunatha Rao has been > attached with this post. > > God Willing, I shall start the course. Kindly note > that I may require my students to solemnly assure me > that they will not misuse the shastra (this shastra > can be used for mantrik purposes,and countering a > kritya done with the aid of this shastra is > impossible!) and also that they will not divulge the > secrets of this shastra to ANYONE without my express > consent. Those for whom the above conditions are > acceptable may contact me. > > > Blessed be. > --- Raghunatha RaoNemani wrote: > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > Namaste Dakshinamurthy Ji, > > > > Thanks for the quick reply and for the content. > > Also thanks for compliments on my papers. I work > > full time here and do Jyotish learning and help in > > my free time for FREE. I do not charge any money > > from any one, as that is what I am following per > my > > Guru Ji's suggestions. > > > > It is a wonderful idea of you willing to teach us > > the "Pancha Pakshi Principles", I will be happy to > > pay $100 as Guru Dakshina along with the other 9 > > more studetns in this e-mail course to you. So may > > I request you to please write a note in the Vedic > > Astrology List saying that you are willing to > start > > an e-mail course with $100 and with minimum 10 > > students and I am already confirmed as a student > for > > this couse. > > > > So that interested studetns can contact you > > directly and once you got interest from 10 > studetns > > as per your requirement, then let me know, so that > I > > can send the money along with other studetns and > get > > started in your e-mail course. > > > > Looking forward for your announcement and shall > > pray to my Mother Mahalakshmi to find another 9 > > fellow studetns so that we all can benefit from > your > > teachings on this branch of Jyotish. > > > > Thanks for your time and help in advance. > > > > Regards > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r > > wrote: > === message truncated === Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi All, MY 2 cents..Can we stop all the bickering about who is great who is not etc., and please kindly get back to jyotish? There is lesser and lesser of it on this group these days...Hence, the request. Thanks in advance..Really appreciate all the jyotish related posts on this group, including from you sir...bickering can be kindly conducted on private email..I am paying money to read this stuff (internet access, electricity etc.). Hence, dont need the kind of stuff that is being posted here. Thanks. Sowmiya. >mohan ram <mohanraaam >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] to rk dash >Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:24:16 +0000 (GMT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 202.43.219.79 >X-Sender: mohanraaam >Received: from n23.bullet.scd. 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See http://antispam./domainkeys >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; >d=;b=FAFY4/DEcPKw33yUOjgbp5FkINYqVa5ukgIl0BfjiCBqwuPPQb/dr0OBNKU\ GSsmUuRuMGAhspeTQrP+jSaOu7ypjbDIvK3QEcKgAhqreC/umtjSoKWYsjNXLIaEBBTsj; >X--Newman-Property: groups-email >X-Apparently-vedic astrology >X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 >X--Profile: mohanraaam >Mailing-List: list vedic astrology; contact >vedic astrology-owner >Delivered-mailing list vedic astrology >List-Id: <vedic astrology.> >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <vedic astrology> >Return-Path: >sentto-1229044-65545-1136320524-sowmiya_s=hotmail.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2006 23:54:24.0641 (UTC) >FILETIME=[0642C710:01C610C1] > >Dear Group members and rk dash: > >Mr/ Mrs. or ?????? rk dash: > >You are quoting guruji's words out of context. Ask >shri Raghunatha Rao how much difficulty we had in >persuading guruji to start a course? Guruji was very >hesitant to put the note in the forum at all! It was >shri. Raghunatha Raoji and myself who persuaded him to >put the note..... Ask the list members who have been >rejected for want of Divine Clearance in the Prasna >erected for the purpose. If minting money was his >motive Guruji need not reject ANY candidate. He has >rejected many candidates for want of Divine clearance >in the prasna chart erected for the purpose. Do you >know how many times I had to try before being accepted >as his student? > >You are just a novice in this forum. Ask any of the >senior members of this forum... though they may differ >with Guruji on certain occasions, I think none can >really say he is dishonourable. You have equated him >to a common charlatan and conmaster. You have taken >his words out of context. > >Guruji has been taking only personal classes, and that >too only to a handful of students ( not to bunches as >you might imagine). It is only on our request he is >conducting the classes online. Do they give free >internet access to astrologers? Or do they give free >electricity? Don't astrologers have expenses? What >doyou think? > >Astrology is not Brahma vidya as idiots like you might >think! It is a pravriti vidya - one of the eighteen >vedic vidyas that one might use for livelihood. I >personally think that the charges as quoted by >Panditji are very reasonable. If you save the amount >that you spend for your daily coffee that itself will >cover the charge as quoted by Panditji. Do you know >the number of students who have learnt astrolgy free >of cost under guruji's guidance? Kindly do not >comment about anyone without knowing about them. >Above all, do not be jealous of preceptors. You will >get the respect and wealth that they command when you >attain their qualities. > >Search some of the previous posts in these forums to >at least have a basic idea about guruji's astrological >knowledge. Senior members like Srinadhji, and even >P.V.R.Narasimhaji have very high opinion of guruji. > >By the way, are you offering free services of your >education? If your worthless secular education can be >used to mint money what is the harm in an expert with >multifarious knowledge charging a pittance for a >timeless treasure? If you are not interested... well >and good.... But, do not abuse great people without >knowing them. > >I will not end the mail with regards because YOU DO >NOT DESERVE THAT! JUST 2 DAYS IN TO A FORUM AND >PASSING OPINIONS! > > >--- rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > > > > Dear group members, > > I am just a day old at the group and getting to > > see what seems a mercernary jamboree in places. > > These exchanges/postings shine some light. I'm > > highligting the words for members' consideration. > > > > > > If Divine Will is that I must guide you in > > Pancha Pakshi system, I will certainly do it. But, > > currently I am not conducting the course on Pancha > > Pakshi Shastram as there were not enough persons > > willing to take the email-based course. You see I > > need enough people to sponsor the course inorder to > > cover my expenses arising out of internet usage and > > also > > to compensate me atleast to some extent for the > > time > > invested. I know that this is not the way to look > > at > > this, but, I am a professional astrologer and this > > is my full-time profession. When I run a course, I > > have > > to compromise my practice by limiting my > > appointments > > and utilize that time to chart out course material > > that could be of use to my students. I thought that > > if I get at least 10 students willing to enrol and > > more importantly if they are found suitable by me, > > a > > charge of US$100 per person will be feasible for > > them (US$1000 may be too high for most persons, > > but > > US$100 *10 will make it a win-win situation and I > > will get the satisfaction of throwing light on this > > wonderful > > branch of astrology!), and enough for me to cover > > my > > time and efforts invested in this regard. But, as > > this has not been the case, I decided against the > > email-based course for the time-being. > > > > The excerpt is taken from the exchange below my > > message. > > Sri Dakshnamoorthi is entitled to his fee, for the > > vidya he is condescending to teach for $100 (down > > from $1,000) must be precious (short of 'valuable'). > > I wish I had a better way to express my dissent. My > > submission is the wielder of the particular > > speciality jyotih shastra -- many of us still hold > > it to be a divine vidya* -- has pecuniary > > consideration uppermost in agreeing to part (?) (as > > different from 'share' ) with his vidya. > > Teaching-learning is not quid pro quo. The teacher > > does not part. Shradhhaa and paatrataa should guide > > those of us who want to enlighten one another. But > > then Sri Dakshnamoorthi is entitled to his fee: he > > is a professional and has to earn his keep.Fair > > enough. Let me point out two things -- 1. the amount > > of $100 is still beyond the means of many who are > > eminently qualified to receive such specialised > > knowledge in jyotih shastra; 2. I urge on the > > teacher here to be equal to his spiritual quotient > > and not insist on amount. Who knows by not > > insisting, he > > may come upon greater wealth by way of reward, > > monetrary not ruled out. It could at least be a > > 'sukrut' a beau geste on his part that the > > speciality will be ably wielded by one or two after > > him. For that he may have to teach scores; for such > > will be the limiting nature of online tutorial -- > > the farthest cry from the upanishad mode (the > > face-to-face, interactive one). > > > > May larger considerations guide us at this forum. > > > > Sincerely > > RK Dash > > > > Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 wrote: > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > Namaste Dakshinamoorthi Ji, > > > > Thanks for the note in the list and hope enough > > students will respond to you soon. I think, > > Mohanraaam Ji and I am already interested in this > > e-mail course, so you have already 2 students. I > > would also encourage my fellow students to take this > > opportunity to learn this wonderful brach of Jyotish > > and contact you soon directly,if they are > > interested. I am very keen on learning this as I > > have seen it working like any other branch of > > Jyotish. > > > > If you do not mind keep me posted on how many > > responses you have received periodically so that I > > know the status. Please let us know when you get > > enough responses, so that I can send you the money. > > > > Thanks again for your willingness to share your > > knowledge in advance. > > > > Regards > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer > > wrote: > > Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:57:01 +0000 (GMT) > > dakshinamoorthi r > > <dakshinastrologer > > Re: Thank You Sir > > Raghunatha RaoNemani <raon1008 > > CC: vedic astrology > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Shri. Mohanraaam and Shri. Raghunatha Rao are > > pressurizing me to start an email-based course on > > Panchapakshi shastra. I wrote back saying that I > > will > > be most willing to start the email-based course if I > > get a minimum of 10 SUITABLE candidates for a fee of > > US$100 each. It is not feasible for me to allocate > > my > > time otherwise. Shri. Rao suggested that I put a > > note > > in the vedic astrology list to this effect so that > > other members who are willing to learn this shastra > > from me can also contact me to join the course for a > > fee of US$100, and I can start the course when 10 > > students join the course. Already some members of > > this forum contacted me regarding the course, but > > unfortunately, due to some practical considerations > > I > > could not consider their requests favourably. > > > > Original message of Shri. Raghunatha Rao has been > > attached with this post. > > > > God Willing, I shall start the course. Kindly note > > that I may require my students to solemnly assure me > > that they will not misuse the shastra (this shastra > > can be used for mantrik purposes,and countering a > > kritya done with the aid of this shastra is > > impossible!) and also that they will not divulge the > > secrets of this shastra to ANYONE without my express > > consent. Those for whom the above conditions are > > acceptable may contact me. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > --- Raghunatha RaoNemani wrote: > > > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > > > Namaste Dakshinamurthy Ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the quick reply and for the content. > > > Also thanks for compliments on my papers. I work > > > full time here and do Jyotish learning and help in > > > my free time for FREE. I do not charge any money > > > from any one, as that is what I am following per > > my > > > Guru Ji's suggestions. > > > > > > It is a wonderful idea of you willing to teach us > > > the "Pancha Pakshi Principles", I will be happy to > > > pay $100 as Guru Dakshina along with the other 9 > > > more studetns in this e-mail course to you. So may > > > I request you to please write a note in the Vedic > > > Astrology List saying that you are willing to > > start > > > an e-mail course with $100 and with minimum 10 > > > students and I am already confirmed as a student > > for > > > this couse. > > > > > > So that interested studetns can contact you > > > directly and once you got interest from 10 > > studetns > > > as per your requirement, then let me know, so that > > I > > > can send the money along with other studetns and > > get > > > started in your e-mail course. > > > > > > Looking forward for your announcement and shall > > > pray to my Mother Mahalakshmi to find another 9 > > > fellow studetns so that we all can benefit from > > your > > > teachings on this branch of Jyotish. > > > > > > Thanks for your time and help in advance. > > > > > > Regards > > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r > > > wrote: > > >=== message truncated === > > >Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. 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