Let us shed our egos and arrogance???????????????

January 11, 2006

ideas. Todays world is not oneman's castle. As all of us know that the human

discovery of fire and wheel has changed the world. We must salute those

forefathers of did this job for all the suceeding generations. I think,in the

same way, who knows any body's one idea in the field of astrology can change

or modify all the astrological paradigms. So friends, let the knowlege flow

freely. It should never be anybody's personal property. Please let us give some

space to the precious views of others. At tihs point, I wonder that why some

people are not generous or open hearted to share their knowledge with others

and their locked-in- knowlede die its own death with these people's death and

the world remains devoid of those unshared ideas and knowledge. As we all know

learning is a continuos process. Please note If we learn any small thing from

a person, he/ she becomes guru for that small learning. So, everbody is not

that

fortunate who has got an opportunity to have blessings of a vidhivat guru. In

todays world as the transference of knowledge is marketable commodity. So a

Guru of Gurukul tradition can not be expected to be so easily available. It is

only a lifetime opportunity for a few of us?. They really very fortunate. At

the same time, when we expect from a teacher to be a traditional guru, are we

ready to be a humble and natmastika sishya Pupils). The thoughts I am sharing

are coming freely without any order. So I have written the same way. So many of

members must have difference of opinion. It is natural. Their different opinions

have procreative value which definitly will contribute to our world in one or

the other way. But there should not be any kicks and blows. I love your

comments. Let us not forget that only the Rrevolutionay or Rebel ideas have

changed primitive world into world of glorious

description. Yours astrologically, Pankaj Sharmasiva_261277

<siva_261277 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hi All,Could someone pl conclude on this so

that we can proceed on to the next lagna Taurus?Regards,Siva.--- In

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology@g...>

wrote:>> Namaskaar Sri Arjun> > I am not aware of Sri Dakshinamoorti reply to

you. You are free to judge me> the way you want to, I do not make myself a

subject of other's judgments.> > What I stated was what I thought and I stand

by it and I do not feel> anything against or for you.> > The disturbance

sentence was not meant for you but for those who objected to> this thread. You

never objected to this thread

and therefore it was not for> you. Please read my response again if you want to

be clear.> > Having said that, let the thread proceed on astrology rather than

such> clarifications.> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > On 1/8/06,

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote:> >> > dear friend bharat> >> >

shri dakshinamoorti ji already replied to my mail saying that my> > submission

of a query for discussion in aeries ascendant may be> > discussed later when

disposition results are discussed. that is how> > a seasoned and matured

astrologer participating in this exercise> > reacts to a query like mine.

instead you are feeling as if i am not> > giving a chance to sreenadhji or are

disturbing people like you.> > please try to receive all members participation

positively,

for> > every participating member is enjoying his participation just as the> >

way you are.> >> > with best wishes> > arjun> >> >> > --- In

vedic astrology, Bharat Hindu Astrology> >

<hinduastrology@g...> wrote:> > >> > > Namaskaar All> > >> > > Sri Arjun> > >>

> > You are not giving a chance for Sri Sreenadh to start elaborating> > on how

the> > > basis of Aries lagna starts to develop different results through> >

numerous> > > permutations and combinations. What he has started off is> >

important and I> > > applaud his time for the same. To start judging the result

from> > the 1st> > > chapter of open discussions is not what is required off

now.> > >> > > In my view,

it would wise to wait and watch this thread and learn> > from it.> > > When

definite results are talked about, then, test it against the> > known> > >

people. Currently, as I understand it, is that he is discussing the> > >

possibilities that exist within the Aries lagna. If we see an> > Aries lagna> >

> person, what to expect first. Then, applying permutations and> > combinations>

> > predict the likely results.> > >> > > To those who do not believe in such an

exercise, they are free not> > to. But> > > they shouldn't disturb others from

learning. Frankly, I am> > enjoying this> > > discussion.> > >> > > To Sri

Dakshina Astrologer> > > "In my professional experience, I have found> > > that

the marital life of Aries lagna natives is marred by

some> > hidden> > > frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife

is> > usually> > > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are

good at> > > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their

heart.> > > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations when it>

> > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a favourable light> > by> >

> others and the society."> > > The quality of the lord of Aries is to be in

control. Venus is very> > > expressive and consistent and does not want to be

controlled. The> > reason of> > > their frustration lies in the inherent

problem of excessive> > control that> > > they wish to impose on others. This

is especially true when Mars> > is strong.> > > Venus

responds to beauty, character and Style and not to crude> > methods that> > >

Aries man may employ. Aries is a position wherein Mars leads a> > frontal> > >

assualt and not a hidden agenda. He/she is fighter with loads of> > courage

and> > > is too Self respecting to ask for other's help. It wants to> > protect

those> > > who come to him/her and is capable of sacrificing a lot. When he> >

sacrifices,> > > he/she expects other to recognize it and he be loved for it.

When> > this does> > > not happen, he is left unfulfilled and as you say it is

marred by> > some> > > hidden frustration.> > >> > > Thanks and Regards> > >

Bharat> > >> > >> > >> > > On 1/7/06, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004>

wrote:> >

> >> > > > dear friend RNW> > > >> > > > a friend of mine (birth details 06th

August 1970, 2355 hours,> > guntur)> > > > is born in Aeries Ascendant. I took

his consent to narrate his> > > > observation vis-a-vis these seven poins for

open discussion:> > > >> > > > 1. he would probably be the eldest. (no, this

boy is the youngest> > > > and all brothers and sisters are elders only)> > > >

2. He will have a good wife. (no, but the native asked me not to> > > > speak

out on this issue)> > > > 3. He will not be satisfied with his job (he is

highly satisfied> > > > with his profession and takes pride in his job)> > > >

4. His father shortlived (no, his father feels young at 81 years> > in> > > >

excellent

health condition and travels a lot too)> > > > 5. Have more than one younger

brother/sister (no, no younger> > brother> > > > or sister at all. he is the

youngest)> > > > 6. Have heart attack at middle age (no, at 36 running he had

no> > > > heart attack as yet)> > > > 7. Have bald head by middle age (no, he

has thick black lush> > > > hairgrowth)> > > >> > > > I would request all

participants in this exercise to kindly throw> > > > light as to why this

native strayed away from all these> > generalised> > > > characteristics of an

aeries ascendant.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and regards> > > > arjun> > >

>> > > >> > > > vedic astrology, "renunw" <renunw>>

> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > -Dear Gurujiss,> > > > >> > > > > Interestingly I

know a couple of Aries ascendants to whom> > the "7> > > > > points" can be

applied eyes closed.> > > > >> > > > > At the same time I'd love to learn more

on this method of> > analysis.> > > > >> > > > > Blessings> > > > >> > > > >

RNW> > > > >> > > > > -- In vedic astrology,

"dakshinastrologer"> > > > > <dakshinastrologer> wrote:> > > > > >> > > >

> > Dear Shri. Srinadhji:> > > > > >> > > > > > Please do not get upset that

not many are participating in> > this> > > > > >

exercise. You are doing a good job. I have been following> > your> > > > > >

threads with interest and thought about giving a final round> > up> > > > >

after> > > > > > everyone has had their say.> > > > > >> > > > > > All members

should note that this is just an exercise to> > > > stimulate> > > > > the> > >

> > > logical faculties based on fixed astrological pointers.> > While> > > > >

> analyzing actual charts, you must take the placement and> > > > >

disposition> > > > > > of planets into account.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now I

will pick up 7 points that Shri. Srinadh has expressed> > and> > > > > give> >

> > >

> my comments on that. Sometimes, I have purposely raised> > queries> > > > to>

> > > > > enable other members to analyze it and give their logical> > > >

reasons> > > > > for> > > > > > that. Kindly do not take offence.> > > > > >>

> > > > > 1) He would probably be the eldest.> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes,

it is true in most cases. Even otherwise, this> > native> > > > is> > > > > >

usually the dominant sibling. 11th lord Saturn - denoting> > elder> > > > > >

siblings is debilitated in the lagna. Also Aries is the first> > > > > sign.> >

> > > > Standard astrological classics also give this general result.> >

> > > >> > > > > > 2) He will have a good wife.> > > > > >> > > > > > This

is subjective! What do we mean by good wife... and> > > > why> > > > > do> > >

> > > you say that?...... Does not karako Bhava Naasaya come into> > > > force>

> > > > > here?> > > > > >> > > > > > But ofcourse, you can say that the

native will get an> > > > > attractive> > > > > > wife (Venus as 7th lord). In

my professional experience, I> > have> > > > > found> > > > > > that the marital

life of Aries lagna natives is marred by> > some> > > > > hidden> > > > > >

frustration. The interaction of the native with his wife is> > > > > usually> >

> > > > blow hot/blow cold type. They love their spouses and are> > good> > > >

at> > > > > > cheering them. Their spouses also love them with all their> > > >

heart.> > > > > > But, their partners often fall short of their expectations> >

when> > > > it> > > > > > comes to qualities though they may be viewed in a

favourable> > > > light> > > > > by> > > > > > others and the society. Other

members may also come out with> > > > their> > > > > > experiences or views in

this regard.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3) He will not be satisfied with his job.> >

> > > >> > > > > > You may put it this way.... The person may have to work>

> > > harder> > > > > > than others to achieve his professional goals (influence

of> > > > > Saturn).> > > > > >> > > > > > 4) His father would be short lived,

and he would take the> > > > > > responsibilities at home.> > > > > >> > > > >

> In reality, natives with Aries lagna suffer from lack> > of a> > > > > >

"Father figure" in their lives. It is not that always their> > > > > fathers> >

> > > > are short-lived. In my experience I have found that natives> > > >

born> > > > > with> > > > > >

Aries ascendant have an approach-avoidance conflict with> > their> > > > >

father> > > > > > and tend towards extremes in their relationship with their> >

> > father.> > > > > > Sometimes, Aries natives do lose their father quite early

in> > > > life> > > > > (but> > > > > > it depends on other factors in the

horoscope). But one thing> > is> > > > > sure..> > > > > > .. the native does

not enjoy a comfortable relationship with> > his> > > > > > father until and

unless there are other moderating> > influences in> > > > > the> > > > > >

individual horoscope.> > > > > >> > > > > > For instance, Shri.

K.Parthasarathy - the

eminent> > astrologer> > > > > from> > > > > > Chennai (now of revered memory)

was born under Aries> > ascendant.> > > > He> > > > > > almost worshipped his

father though his father was a short-> > > > tempered> > > > > > and

authoritarian man. If you look at the horoscope of Shri.> > > > > Hanuman> > >

> > > (we have no authentic sources, but it is based on some> > obscure> > > > >

> tradition), another Aries native, as we all know the> > influence> > > > of> >

> > > > Shrimati Anjana Devi - his mother was more than the> > influence of> > >

> > His> > > > > > father - Shri Kesari.> > > > > >> > > > > >

As far as taking responsibilities at home is concerned,> > it is> > > > > >

correct. These natives are the father-figures of the family.> > > > > >> > > >

> > 5) He will have more than one younger brothers/sisters.> > > > > >> > > > >

> Experience has proved that this is the case in most> > cases.> > > > I>

> > > > > will add on that also. The native is highly affectionate to> > > > >

his/her> > > > > > siblings and the siblings are also equally attached to this>

> > > native.> > > > > > But, more often than not, some controversy in the life

of> > this> > > > > native> > > > > > is caused by their siblings

unintentionally.

Their mutual> > love> > > > > never> > > > > > gets diminished nevertheless.> >

> > > >> > > > > > 6) There is a chace that he will have a heart attack at> >

middle> > > > age.> > > > > >> > > > > > This is true in most cases. Aries

ascendant persons> > tend to> > > > be> > > > > > Type A-behaviour persons with

noted aggressiveness and> > > > > > competitiveness. This often leads to heart

maladies.> > > > > >> > > > > > The remedy for this would be for these

natives to> > meditate> > > > a> > > > > lot> > > > > > and to let their steam

off with emphathetic persons

around> > > > them.> > > > > >> > > > > > 7) By middle age he will become bald

headed. etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > I will introduce the moderating element

here! Aries> > > > natives> > > > > with> > > > > > Sun in this ascendant will

definitely become bald headed by> > > > middle> > > > > > age. This is in

conformity with standard astrological> > > > principles.> > > > > >> > > > > >

I have another interesting note to add regarding the> > > > relationship> > > >

> of> > > > > > this native with his/her Guru. 9th lord is the significator> >

of> > > > > > preceptor and Dharma.

Jupiter is the 9th lord and also the> > 12th> > > > > lord.> > > > > > So,

these natives often learn subjects from a Guru about> > whom> > > > not> > > >

> > many people know of.... or they are self-made!> > > > > >> > > > > > You

can also say that 12th lord being an auspicious planet,> > > > these> > > > > >

persons have a good potential to attain punya lokhas.> > > > > >> > > > > > By

the way, Aries lagna will not give you many possibilities> > > > > because> > >

> > > in this case, all bhava karakas are the natural karakas. It> > is> > > >

for> > > > > > this reason that we call a horoscope with Aries ascendant as> >

the>

> > > > > standard horoscope.> > > > > >> > > > > > When you try the same

exercise with other lagnas, you have> > > > > interesting> > > > > >

possibilities because here, the bhava karakas and the natural> > > > > karakas>

> > > > > will be different and the kalediscope of natural karakatwa> > and> > >

> > bhava> > > > > > karakatwa will make your exercise more interesting.> > > >

> >> > > > > > I am waiting eagerly for your analysis of the other lagnas> > >

> > srinadhji.> > > > > >> > > > > > Let us not mix up astrological classical

definitions here and> > > > only> > > > > go> > > > > > by the first principles

as you have rightly done.> > > > > >> > > > > > Blessed be.> > > > > >> > > > >>

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January 12, 2006

Dear Pankaj ji,

That was great!!!! I bow before you in respect. Yes, when thoughts

flow freely, divinity gets attached to it naturally!!!

Love,