Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Om Namo Narayana Hello All, Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? Regards MKPIYENGAR ___________ Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, message boards, and much more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Dear MKP, As per my knowledge kala sarpa yoga holds good in charts and has nullyfying effects too. When all planets are surounded by rahu and ketu is called kala sarpa yoga. Some where I read the planet who breaks the kala sarpa yoga means eight planets in between rahu and ketu and one planet outside them is the planet which is nullyfying the yoga. This nullyfying depends on the benefic and malefic planet which is nullyfying the yoga. I think benefic planets give benfic results and malefic planets give malefic results. Beloved readers please correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks and regards, Satya MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar wrote: Om Namo Narayana Hello All, Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? Regards MKPIYENGAR ___________ Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, message boards, and much more! Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people needlessly fear this yoga MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar wrote: Om Namo Narayana Hello All, Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? Regards MKPIYENGAR ___________ Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, message boards, and much more! Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Dear Shri Sudir, You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause havoc to the native of the chart. Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its malefeasance. David joshi sudhir <stj801819 wrote: no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people needlessly fear this yoga MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar wrote: Om Namo Narayana Hello All, Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? Regards MKPIYENGAR ___________ Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, message boards, and much more! Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 with due respects to BV Raman, let me point out that parashar, and jemini , even krishnamurty of our times do not support the concept of kalsarpa yoga, its just a con game of some moneyminded astrologer and prists whose earnings depend upon the gullibla who are scared of this so called yoga. David Andrews <andrews635 wrote: Dear Shri Sudir, You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause havoc to the native of the chart. Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its malefeasance. David joshi sudhir <stj801819 wrote: no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people needlessly fear this yoga MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar wrote: Om Namo Narayana Hello All, Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? Regards MKPIYENGAR ___________ Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, message boards, and much more! Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 dear friend david you are quoting shri b.v.raman to justify the existence of kalasarpayoga. i doubt respected raman ji justified ksy. none of the original samhitas written by bhrigu, garga, parashara and even varahamihira mention this yoga. when rahu and ketu's existence itself was not corroborated by these classics, how can a yoga be formed with these non existing planets. however, in my research, such charts where all the seven planets are positied in one, two, three, four or five houses, they are called half blind charts. half blind this way or half blind that way, half of the chart is not occupied. imagine a residential complex in which one side of the complex is dark due to uninhabition. most of these seven planets would neither be in their exalted nor own signs. even the best benefic planets would not aspect on other planets. but since stars were alloted to these dark planets, dasa periods were allocated to these nodes and even transit periods are given for these shadow planets, people started believing this ksy. similar is the fear of grahana yoga which forms when rahu is with sun and ketu is with moon as rahu and ketu eclipse sun and moon respectively. if rahu is in sun's gin or ketu is in moon's sign then also this grahana yoga is observed. but no classics mention this grahana yoga. yet similar is the manglik dosha wish also does not find any mention at all in the original classics except individual negative results of mars in 7th and 8th house. but all these 20th century invented (man-made instead of planet-made) yogas have become so real and lively that when customers come they insist on a remedy for these non-existing yogas, and if they do a symbolic pooja at a temple in nashik or float silver snakes in a river or lit a lamp in front of a lead ksy or rahu yantra, they feel relieved and declare their kaalsarpadosha as gone. shri bharat ji seems to have done some research on rahu and ketu as he is searching for some answers when he started his ketu dristi thread. hope he may be able to throw more light on these dark planets and any yogas formed by them. with best wishes arjun vedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635> wrote: > > Dear Shri Sudir, > You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause havoc to the native of the chart. > Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its malefeasance. > > David > > > joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people needlessly fear this yoga > > MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar@m...> wrote: Om Namo Narayana > Hello All, > Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. > > Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? > > For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? > > Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? > > Regards > MKPIYENGAR > > > ___________ > Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net > Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, > message boards, and much more! > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Bring words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 kala sarpa yoga is applicable...when rahu...and ketu were not placed well(both rasi and star). It won't allow the person to know the right time(ganda kaalam)... one must have to fear about it... sharma joshi sudhir <stj801819 wrote: no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people needlessly fear this yoga MKPIYENGAR wrote: Om Namo Narayana Hello All, Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? Regards MKPIYENGAR ___________ Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, message boards, and much more! || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Dear Shri. David: I thought I will include an article written by me and published in EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa yoga or rather "Kala amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes benefic in some horoscopes. "KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes! By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded Kaala Sarpa Yoga. Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to hardships, struggles and failures in life of the native, Kaala Amruta Yoga enhances the good luck of the native conferring upon him intelligence, wealth and fame. It is a real challenge for an astrologer to determine whether it is kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is actually operating in a nativity. Unless we properly understand the principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can never be properly understood. So we shall first analyse the rationale behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga. Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or Kaala Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like Brihat Jatakam, Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka Alangaram, Phaladeepika, etc .., there are allegorical references to these in Nadi Astrological works. The basic principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well-known astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the house of planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if the planet or house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, when all the planets are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu and Ketu, the nativity is spoiled as a whole! This is the logic behind the dreaded Kaala Sarpa Yoga. Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga arises only if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu and Ketu (Check from Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in South-Indian style charts) and if all planets are hemmed in between Ketu and Raahu (check from Ketu to Rahu in clockwise fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is highly beneficial. However, this view is not accepted by the notable astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer and the founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that Kaala Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets are hemmed between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. Again, Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised! This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the following reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and Ketu - Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 planets are concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. between Rahu and Ketu, or Ketu and Rahu) the result will invariably be a lop-sided development of the individual which is not conductive for a healthy and normal worldly life. If all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (the most commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the individual faces much hardship in his mundane life and when he attains success in life, he is so embittered that he becomes too materialistic or revolutionary in his attitudes. On the other hand, if all the planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala sarpa yoga though of a lesser intensity), the individual's life struggles urge him towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality to the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life. In either case, it will be a case of rags to riches and back to rags again partly due to a strange twist of circumstances and partly due to the native's stubborn and rash attitudes. Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga usually suffer a lot in their early years, invariably gain prominence during the middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer from ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later years. The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of Kala Sarpa Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets hemmed between Ketu and Rahu). Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy) Jul 29,1883 Time: 2:00PM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0 Longitude: 16E00 Latitude: 41N00 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14 365.25 Day Year As 00:59 Sc Vishakha Ju Su 13:48 Cn Pushya Sa Mo 16:51 Ta Rohini Mo Ma 20:55 Ta Rohini Mo Me 13:18 Cn Pushya Sa Ju 26:18 Ge Punarvasu Ju Ve 29:20 Ge Punarvasu Ju Sa 15:22 Ta Rohini Mo Ra 14:56 Li Swati Ra Ke 14:56 Ar Bharani Ve Rashi Chart ********************************************************* * *KE 14:56 *SA 15:22 *JU 26:18 * * * *MO 16:51 *VE 29:20 * * * *MA 20:55 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * *ME 13:18 * * * *SU 13:48 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * *AS 00:59 *RA 14:56 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Navamsa Chart ********************************************************* * * * JU * MO * * * * SA * VE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * RA * * AS * * * * MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * SU * ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only Ketu-Rahu axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, the other afflictions - such as 1) The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet - Sun and , 2) the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn in the 7th house gave a deep fall. The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble burial to the native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th and 12th houses, which gives the astrological clue as to why he was betrayed by his own trusted colleagues. This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to rags, and a sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. So, we cannot presume that if all planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, then the native will enjoy highly auspicious results irrespective of other afflictions. (This hyperbolic and fallacious assumption has somehow gained currency among the lay-admirers of astrology!) There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa Yoga mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga (kaala Amruta Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala sarpa yoga!). 1) When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a native, or are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We know that Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the duplicate of Mars in bestowing results. So whatever influences prevail on Saturn and Mars, must be construed as prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively. Thus, if Saturn and Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under the control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga. 2) Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do not fall in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these conditions, Kaala Sarpa Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga. The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V. Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga. Sir.C.V.RAMAN Nov 7,1888 Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m. Longitude: 78E42 Latitude: 10N50 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18 365.25 Day Year As 00:29 Li Chitra Ma Su 22:42 Li Vishakha Ju Mo 04:33 Sg Mula Ke Ma 18:31 Sg P.Shadya Ve MeR 10:29 Li Swati Ra Ju 17:56 Sc Jyeshtha Me Ve 23:20 Sc Jyeshtha Me Sa 27:32 Cn Aslesha Me Ra 01:24 Cn Punarvasu Ju Ke 01:24 Cp U.Shadya Su Rashi Chart ********************************************************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * *RA 01:24 * * * *SA 27:32 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** *KE 01:24 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* *MO 04:33 *JU 17:56 *AS 00:29 * * *MA 18:31 *VE 23:20 *MER10:29 * * * * *SU 22:42 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Navamsa chart: ********************************************************* * SA * SU * MO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * VE * * RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * MER * * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * JU * * AS * MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So, many astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this horoscope . However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for which Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes under the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars (by nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in exalted sign) and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all planets by Rahu and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope. Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and not Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu to this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the horoscope like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary exchange between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the native enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of his personality is not so well known. "Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox view" -SIR CV RAMAN This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes which encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for scientists, occultists and those engaged in research. CONCLUSION: From the above discussion, it is clear that neither Kaala Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be given to these. For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress or detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees single-minded determination to an astounding degree. So, if these individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive research, they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these persons must consciously strive for all-round development of their personality avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single agenda in life if they are to be accepted by others. Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala amruta yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy karmic burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births! This probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious control of these individuals for better or for worse." Hope that this article may be throw useful pointers regarding the yoga. -------------------- ---- -------------------------------- vedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635 > wrote: > > Dear Shri Sudir, > You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause havoc to the native of the chart. > Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its malefeasance. > > David > > > joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people needlessly fear this yoga > > MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar@m...> wrote: Om Namo Narayana > Hello All, > Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. > > Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? > > For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? > > Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? > > Regards > MKPIYENGAR > > > ___________ > Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net > Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, > message boards, and much more! > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) com > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) com > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 respected dakshinamoorthi ji your article is an excellent piece of information where you not only gave the rationale of the results of such charts but also highlighted their not finding place in the scriptures. i always used to tell whenever people get misconceptions they shall remember the following verse: yukti yuktam vako grahyam baladapi sukadapi yukti heenam vako tyajyam vruddhadapi sukadapi if one says that because the benefic planets are in conjunction with their enemies and are surrounded by malefics on left and right, the half-blindness of the chart holds water. just to scare the native the modern money looting astrologers say that in a ksy chart, rahu and ketu hold and squeeze all the planets to death or rahu swallows all the planets one by one. the height of their perversion was found when people attributed partial ksy even when the planets are evenly spread in all houses. with this invention of partial ksy, they branded all human beings under partial ksy. hope the budding astrologers do not believe blindly in what they read, taught or learnt about these non-existing yogas. this is where groups like vedic astrology give diverse views and opinions so that the confused querent can draw his or her own logical conclusion. with best wishes and regards arjun vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > Dear Shri. David: > > I thought I will include an article written by me and published in > EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa yoga or rather "Kala > amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes benefic in some horoscopes. > > "KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes! > By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded Kaala > Sarpa Yoga. Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to hardships, > struggles and failures in life of the native, Kaala Amruta Yoga > enhances the good luck of the native conferring upon him intelligence, > wealth and fame. It is a real challenge for an astrologer to determine > whether it is kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is actually > operating in a nativity. Unless we properly understand the principle > behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can never be properly > understood. So we shall first analyse the rationale behind Kaala Sarpa > Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or Kaala > Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like Brihat Jatakam, > Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka Alangaram, Phaladeepika, etc > ., there are allegorical references to these in Nadi Astrological > works. The basic principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well- known > astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the house of > planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if the planet or > house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, when all the planets > are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu and Ketu, the nativity is > spoiled as a whole! This is the logic behind the dreaded Kaala Sarpa > Yoga. > > Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga arises only > if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu and Ketu (Check from > Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in South-Indian style charts) and > if all planets are hemmed in between Ketu and Raahu (check from Ketu > to Rahu in clockwise fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is highly > beneficial. However, this view is not accepted by the notable > astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer and > the founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that Kaala > Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets are hemmed > between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. Again, Dr.B.V.Raman > is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all > the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising > out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised! > > This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the following > reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and Ketu - > Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 planets are > concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. between Rahu and Ketu, or > Ketu and Rahu) the result will invariably be a lop-sided development > of the individual which is not conductive for a healthy and normal > worldly life. If all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (the > most commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the individual > faces much hardship in his mundane life and when he attains success in > life, he is so embittered that he becomes too materialistic or > revolutionary in his attitudes. On the other hand, if all the planets > are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala sarpa > yoga though of a lesser intensity), the individual's life struggles > urge him towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality to > the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life. In either case, > it will be a case of rags to riches and back to rags again partly due > to a strange twist of circumstances and partly due to the native's > stubborn and rash attitudes. Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga > usually suffer a lot in their early years, invariably gain prominence > during the middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer > from ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later years. > > The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of Kala Sarpa > Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets hemmed between Ketu > and Rahu). > Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy) > Jul 29,1883 > Time: 2:00PM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0 > > Longitude: 16E00 Latitude: 41N00 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14 365.25 Day Year > > As 00:59 Sc Vishakha Ju Su 13:48 Cn Pushya Sa Mo 16:51 Ta > Rohini Mo Ma 20:55 Ta Rohini Mo Me 13:18 Cn Pushya Sa > Ju 26:18 Ge Punarvasu Ju > Ve 29:20 Ge Punarvasu Ju > Sa 15:22 Ta Rohini Mo > Ra 14:56 Li Swati Ra > Ke 14:56 Ar Bharani Ve > > > Rashi Chart ********************************************************* > * *KE 14:56 *SA 15:22 *JU 26:18 * > * * *MO 16:51 *VE 29:20 * > * * *MA 20:55 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * *ME 13:18 * > * * *SU 13:48 * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * *AS 00:59 *RA 14:56 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > Navamsa Chart > ********************************************************* > * * * JU * MO * > * * * SA * VE * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * RA * * AS * > * * * MA * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * * * KE * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * SU * ME * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only Ketu- Rahu > axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, the other > afflictions - such as > 1) The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet - Sun and , > > 2) the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn in the 7th > house gave a deep fall. > > > The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble burial to the > native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th and 12th houses, which > gives the astrological clue as to why he was betrayed by his own > trusted colleagues. > This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to rags, and a > sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. So, we cannot > presume that if all planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, then the > native will enjoy highly auspicious results irrespective of other > afflictions. (This hyperbolic and fallacious assumption has somehow > gained currency among the lay-admirers of astrology!) > > > There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa Yoga > mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga (kaala Amruta > Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala sarpa yoga!). > > 1) When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a native, or > are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is > transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We know that > Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the duplicate of Mars in > bestowing results. So whatever influences prevail on Saturn and Mars, > must be construed as prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively. Thus, > if Saturn and Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under the > control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets > transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > 2) Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn > then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do not fall > in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these conditions, Kaala Sarpa > Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V. > Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > Sir.C.V.RAMAN > Nov 7,1888 > Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 > Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m. > Longitude: 78E42 Latitude: 10N50 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18 365.25 Day Year > > > As 00:29 Li Chitra Ma > Su 22:42 Li Vishakha Ju > Mo 04:33 Sg Mula Ke > Ma 18:31 Sg P.Shadya Ve > MeR 10:29 Li Swati Ra > Ju 17:56 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Ve 23:20 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Sa 27:32 Cn Aslesha Me > Ra 01:24 Cn Punarvasu Ju > Ke 01:24 Cp U.Shadya Su > > > > > > > Rashi Chart > ********************************************************* > * > * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * *RA 01:24 * > * * *SA 27:32 * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > *KE 01:24 * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > *MO 04:33 *JU 17:56 *AS 00:29 * * > *MA 18:31 *VE 23:20 *MER10:29 * * > * * *SU 22:42 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > Navamsa chart: > ********************************************************* > * SA * SU * MO * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * VE * * RA * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * MER * * * > * KE * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * JU * * AS * MA * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > > > Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So, many > astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this horoscope > . However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for which > Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes under > the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon > which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars (by > nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in exalted sign) > and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the > benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all planets by Rahu > and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope. > Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have > swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and not > Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu to > this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the horoscope > like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its > placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary exchange > between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating > educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the native > enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world > renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of his > personality is not so well known. > > > "Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox > view" > -SIR CV RAMAN > > This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes which > encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for scientists, > occultists and those engaged in research. > > CONCLUSION: From the above discussion, it is clear that neither Kaala > Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an > individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be given > to these. For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress or > detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic > aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees > single-minded determination to an astounding degree. So, if these > individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive research, > they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these persons > must consciously strive for all-round development of their personality > avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single agenda in life > if they are to be accepted by others. > > Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi > readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala amruta > yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy karmic > burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births! This > probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious > control of these individuals for better or for worse." > > Hope that this article may be throw useful pointers regarding the > yoga. > > ----------------- --- > - --- > -------------------------------- > vedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635 > > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Sudir, > > You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu > figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu > and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause > havoc to the native of the chart. > > Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic > literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place > in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important > Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its > malefeasance. > > > > David > > > > > > joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > > no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu > are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people > needlessly fear this yoga > > > > MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar@m...> wrote: Om Namo Narayana > > Hello All, > > Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in > classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik > dosha. > > > > Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some > planets then the yoga is nullified. 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Dear Arjunji, Dakshinamoorthi ji, Thank You very much for enlightening me and other fellow beginner's regarding this with a wonderful article. Best Regards MKPIYENGAR --- "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:06:55 -0000 vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Kala Sarpa Yoga.. respected dakshinamoorthi ji your article is an excellent piece of information where you not only gave the rationale of the results of such charts but also highlighted their not finding place in the scriptures. i always used to tell whenever people get misconceptions they shall remember the following verse: yukti yuktam vako grahyam baladapi sukadapi yukti heenam vako tyajyam vruddhadapi sukadapi if one says that because the benefic planets are in conjunction with their enemies and are surrounded by malefics on left and right, the half-blindness of the chart holds water. just to scare the native the modern money looting astrologers say that in a ksy chart, rahu and ketu hold and squeeze all the planets to death or rahu swallows all the planets one by one. the height of their perversion was found when people attributed partial ksy even when the planets are evenly spread in all houses. with this invention of partial ksy, they branded all human beings under partial ksy. hope the budding astrologers do not believe blindly in what they read, taught or learnt about these non-existing yogas. this is where groups like vedic astrology give diverse views and opinions so that the confused querent can draw his or her own logical conclusion. with best wishes and regards arjun vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > Dear Shri. David: > > I thought I will include an article written by me and published in > EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa yoga or rather "Kala > amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes benefic in some horoscopes. > > "KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes! > By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded Kaala > Sarpa Yoga. Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to hardships, > struggles and failures in life of the native, Kaala Amruta Yoga > enhances the good luck of the native conferring upon him intelligence, > wealth and fame. It is a real challenge for an astrologer to determine > whether it is kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is actually > operating in a nativity. Unless we properly understand the principle > behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can never be properly > understood. So we shall first analyse the rationale behind Kaala Sarpa > Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or Kaala > Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like Brihat Jatakam, > Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka Alangaram, Phaladeepika, etc > ., there are allegorical references to these in Nadi Astrological > works. The basic principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well- known > astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the house of > planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if the planet or > house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, when all the planets > are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu and Ketu, the nativity is > spoiled as a whole! This is the logic behind the dreaded Kaala Sarpa > Yoga. > > Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga arises only > if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu and Ketu (Check from > Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in South-Indian style charts) and > if all planets are hemmed in between Ketu and Raahu (check from Ketu > to Rahu in clockwise fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is highly > beneficial. However, this view is not accepted by the notable > astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer and > the founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that Kaala > Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets are hemmed > between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. Again, Dr.B.V.Raman > is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all > the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising > out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised! > > This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the following > reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and Ketu - > Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 planets are > concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. between Rahu and Ketu, or > Ketu and Rahu) the result will invariably be a lop-sided development > of the individual which is not conductive for a healthy and normal > worldly life. If all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (the > most commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the individual > faces much hardship in his mundane life and when he attains success in > life, he is so embittered that he becomes too materialistic or > revolutionary in his attitudes. On the other hand, if all the planets > are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala sarpa > yoga though of a lesser intensity), the individual's life struggles > urge him towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality to > the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life. In either case, > it will be a case of rags to riches and back to rags again partly due > to a strange twist of circumstances and partly due to the native's > stubborn and rash attitudes. Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga > usually suffer a lot in their early years, invariably gain prominence > during the middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer > from ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later years. > > The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of Kala Sarpa > Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets hemmed between Ketu > and Rahu). > Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy) > Jul 29,1883 > Time: 2:00PM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0 > > Longitude: 16E00 Latitude: 41N00 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14 365.25 Day Year > > As 00:59 Sc Vishakha Ju Su 13:48 Cn Pushya Sa Mo 16:51 Ta > Rohini Mo Ma 20:55 Ta Rohini Mo Me 13:18 Cn Pushya Sa > Ju 26:18 Ge Punarvasu Ju > Ve 29:20 Ge Punarvasu Ju > Sa 15:22 Ta Rohini Mo > Ra 14:56 Li Swati Ra > Ke 14:56 Ar Bharani Ve > > > Rashi Chart ********************************************************* > * *KE 14:56 *SA 15:22 *JU 26:18 * > * * *MO 16:51 *VE 29:20 * > * * *MA 20:55 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * *ME 13:18 * > * * *SU 13:48 * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * *AS 00:59 *RA 14:56 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > Navamsa Chart > ********************************************************* > * * * JU * MO * > * * * SA * VE * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * RA * * AS * > * * * MA * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * * * KE * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * SU * ME * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only Ketu- Rahu > axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, the other > afflictions - such as > 1) The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet - Sun and , > > 2) the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn in the 7th > house gave a deep fall. > > > The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble burial to the > native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th and 12th houses, which > gives the astrological clue as to why he was betrayed by his own > trusted colleagues. > This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to rags, and a > sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. So, we cannot > presume that if all planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, then the > native will enjoy highly auspicious results irrespective of other > afflictions. (This hyperbolic and fallacious assumption has somehow > gained currency among the lay-admirers of astrology!) > > > There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa Yoga > mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga (kaala Amruta > Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala sarpa yoga!). > > 1) When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a native, or > are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is > transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We know that > Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the duplicate of Mars in > bestowing results. So whatever influences prevail on Saturn and Mars, > must be construed as prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively. Thus, > if Saturn and Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under the > control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets > transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > 2) Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn > then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do not fall > in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these conditions, Kaala Sarpa > Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V. > Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > Sir.C.V.RAMAN > Nov 7,1888 > Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 > Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m. > Longitude: 78E42 Latitude: 10N50 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18 365.25 Day Year > > > As 00:29 Li Chitra Ma > Su 22:42 Li Vishakha Ju > Mo 04:33 Sg Mula Ke > Ma 18:31 Sg P.Shadya Ve > MeR 10:29 Li Swati Ra > Ju 17:56 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Ve 23:20 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Sa 27:32 Cn Aslesha Me > Ra 01:24 Cn Punarvasu Ju > Ke 01:24 Cp U.Shadya Su > > > > > > > Rashi Chart > ********************************************************* > * > * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * *RA 01:24 * > * * *SA 27:32 * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > *KE 01:24 * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > *MO 04:33 *JU 17:56 *AS 00:29 * * > *MA 18:31 *VE 23:20 *MER10:29 * * > * * *SU 22:42 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > Navamsa chart: > ********************************************************* > * SA * SU * MO * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * VE * * RA * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * MER * * * > * KE * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * JU * * AS * MA * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > > > Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So, many > astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this horoscope > . However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for which > Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes under > the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon > which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars (by > nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in exalted sign) > and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the > benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all planets by Rahu > and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope. > Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have > swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and not > Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu to > this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the horoscope > like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its > placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary exchange > between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating > educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the native > enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world > renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of his > personality is not so well known. > > > "Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox > view" > -SIR CV RAMAN > > This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes which > encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for scientists, > occultists and those engaged in research. > > CONCLUSION: From the above discussion, it is clear that neither Kaala > Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an > individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be given > to these. For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress or > detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic > aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees > single-minded determination to an astounding degree. So, if these > individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive research, > they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these persons > must consciously strive for all-round development of their personality > avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single agenda in life > if they are to be accepted by others. > > Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi > readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala amruta > yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy karmic > burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births! This > probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious > control of these individuals for better or for worse." > > Hope that this article may be throw useful pointers regarding the > yoga. > > ----------------- --- > - --- > -------------------------------- > vedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635 > > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Sudir, > > You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu > figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu > and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause > havoc to the native of the chart. > > Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic > literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place > in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important > Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its > malefeasance. > > > > David > > > > > > joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > > no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu > are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people > needlessly fear this yoga > > > > MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar@m...> wrote: Om Namo Narayana > > Hello All, > > Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in > classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik > dosha. > > > > Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some > planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? > > > > For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and > ketu does it constitute dosha?? > > > > Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it > considered good ?? > > > > Regards > > MKPIYENGAR > > > > > > ___________ > > Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net > > Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, > > message boards, and much more! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) > com > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Iyengar Apart from Sri Dakshinamoorthi's comprehensive article, here is what I think of Kaal Sarp or Kaal Amrita Yoga: Consider Rahu-Ketu to be the dwandhas (pairs of opposites). Rahu is expansive, Ketu constrictive. Rahu is future, Ketu the past. Rahu is inventive, Ketu is regressive. Rahu is conscious decision making, Ketu is instinctive. Rahu involves, Ketu dissolves. Now, in Kaal Sarp Yoga (it is a Yoga not a dosha!) all planets lie between the two nodes. This indicates that the individual will unnecessarily get involved in the pairs of opposities and always be comparing one's life with false standards. The wants of involvement with the Name and Form shall increase. Since the binding effect is on, the Sarpa will not let you achieve what you try for. If other great yogas are present, it tends to underplay them but not negate them. Kaal Sarpa Yoga gives fear. Those having it can check that they would be more worried about their future, even when, things are going right. Kaal Amrita Yoga tries to push one into non-inventiveness and suggests that older methods were better. Here the planets lie at the back of the head of the snake (Rahu-Ketu Analogy). Interestingly, when you look from behind, the symbol on a cobra's head is that of Ketu. Whereas, if you see the same symbol facing the cobra head, it is the symbol of Rahu. So Kaal Amrita Yoga can bring disporportionate dispassion. A person may not be able to enjoy mundane activities at all. He/She tends to feel that only Amrita will give him/her the happiness. It does not realize that "Happiness is here and now". Like Shri Krishna says "There is no cause for sorrow" - this statement remains unrealized. Another thing, Kaala is born out of the Sarpa. Is Amrita born out of Kaal? Why is the Yoga called Kaal Amrita Yoga is because within the Kaal, the individual seeks Amrita. Hence the binding! So both have a troublesome effect. The nature of sorrow is such that one wishes to get rid of it. Once many methods fail, one tends to start searching answers in the scriptures. In that sense, both of the above yogas, will be helpful in spiritual search. They also protect the native from evil combinations that may be present in the chart, because of their very nature of binding. They do not make distinctions between the binding of good or bad. For them, both are real. I am still trying to resolve their nature and my post is subject to change as and when my understanding takes a leap. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 1/25/06, MKPIYENGAR < mkpiyengar wrote: > > Om Namo Narayana > Hello All, > Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in > classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. > > Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some > planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? > > For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu > does it constitute dosha?? > > Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered > good ?? > > Regards > MKPIYENGAR > > > ___________ > Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net > Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, > message boards, and much more! > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=Uokti\ PHSoTwQkpGMXBNeEg> Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig=q\ NtEn5POAbTpzmtNKIdnHA> Astrology > horoscope</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+horoscope&w1=Astrology+c\ hart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.s\ ig=8kShDb5zI-EsRMSq6tgiew> Astrology > software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Astrology+cha\ rt&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Astrology+horoscope&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=91&.sig\ =Je51jg697mjdLNt6iLuaCw> > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "vedic astrology<vedic astrology>" > on the web. > > - > vedic astrology<vedic astrology-@gro\ ups.com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <> . > > > ------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 The most respected Sir, Thank youvery much for our generosity and poitive attitude. YOu are ablessing to this forum. Saman vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > Dear Shri. David: > > I thought I will include an article written by me and published in > EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa yoga or rather "Kala > amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes benefic in some horoscopes. > > "KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes! > By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded Kaala > Sarpa Yoga. Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to hardships, > struggles and failures in life of the native, Kaala Amruta Yoga > enhances the good luck of the native conferring upon him intelligence, > wealth and fame. It is a real challenge for an astrologer to determine > whether it is kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is actually > operating in a nativity. Unless we properly understand the principle > behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can never be properly > understood. So we shall first analyse the rationale behind Kaala Sarpa > Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or Kaala > Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like Brihat Jatakam, > Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka Alangaram, Phaladeepika, etc > ., there are allegorical references to these in Nadi Astrological > works. The basic principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well- known > astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the house of > planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if the planet or > house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, when all the planets > are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu and Ketu, the nativity is > spoiled as a whole! This is the logic behind the dreaded Kaala Sarpa > Yoga. > > Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga arises only > if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu and Ketu (Check from > Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in South-Indian style charts) and > if all planets are hemmed in between Ketu and Raahu (check from Ketu > to Rahu in clockwise fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is highly > beneficial. However, this view is not accepted by the notable > astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer and > the founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that Kaala > Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets are hemmed > between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. Again, Dr.B.V.Raman > is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all > the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising > out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised! > > This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the following > reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and Ketu - > Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 planets are > concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. between Rahu and Ketu, or > Ketu and Rahu) the result will invariably be a lop-sided development > of the individual which is not conductive for a healthy and normal > worldly life. If all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (the > most commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the individual > faces much hardship in his mundane life and when he attains success in > life, he is so embittered that he becomes too materialistic or > revolutionary in his attitudes. On the other hand, if all the planets > are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala sarpa > yoga though of a lesser intensity), the individual's life struggles > urge him towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality to > the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life. In either case, > it will be a case of rags to riches and back to rags again partly due > to a strange twist of circumstances and partly due to the native's > stubborn and rash attitudes. Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga > usually suffer a lot in their early years, invariably gain prominence > during the middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer > from ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later years. > > The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of Kala Sarpa > Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets hemmed between Ketu > and Rahu). > Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy) > Jul 29,1883 > Time: 2:00PM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0 > > Longitude: 16E00 Latitude: 41N00 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14 365.25 Day Year > > As 00:59 Sc Vishakha Ju Su 13:48 Cn Pushya Sa Mo 16:51 Ta > Rohini Mo Ma 20:55 Ta Rohini Mo Me 13:18 Cn Pushya Sa > Ju 26:18 Ge Punarvasu Ju > Ve 29:20 Ge Punarvasu Ju > Sa 15:22 Ta Rohini Mo > Ra 14:56 Li Swati Ra > Ke 14:56 Ar Bharani Ve > > > Rashi Chart ********************************************************* > * *KE 14:56 *SA 15:22 *JU 26:18 * > * * *MO 16:51 *VE 29:20 * > * * *MA 20:55 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * *ME 13:18 * > * * *SU 13:48 * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * *AS 00:59 *RA 14:56 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > Navamsa Chart > ********************************************************* > * * * JU * MO * > * * * SA * VE * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * RA * * AS * > * * * MA * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * * * KE * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * SU * ME * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only Ketu-Rahu > axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, the other > afflictions - such as > 1) The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet - Sun and , > > 2) the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn in the 7th > house gave a deep fall. > > > The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble burial to the > native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th and 12th houses, which > gives the astrological clue as to why he was betrayed by his own > trusted colleagues. > This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to rags, and a > sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. So, we cannot > presume that if all planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, then the > native will enjoy highly auspicious results irrespective of other > afflictions. (This hyperbolic and fallacious assumption has somehow > gained currency among the lay-admirers of astrology!) > > > There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa Yoga > mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga (kaala Amruta > Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala sarpa yoga!). > > 1) When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a native, or > are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is > transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We know that > Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the duplicate of Mars in > bestowing results. So whatever influences prevail on Saturn and Mars, > must be construed as prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively. Thus, > if Saturn and Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under the > control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets > transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > 2) Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn > then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do not fall > in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these conditions, Kaala Sarpa > Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V. > Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > Sir.C.V.RAMAN > Nov 7,1888 > Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 > Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m. > Longitude: 78E42 Latitude: 10N50 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18 365.25 Day Year > > > As 00:29 Li Chitra Ma > Su 22:42 Li Vishakha Ju > Mo 04:33 Sg Mula Ke > Ma 18:31 Sg P.Shadya Ve > MeR 10:29 Li Swati Ra > Ju 17:56 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Ve 23:20 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Sa 27:32 Cn Aslesha Me > Ra 01:24 Cn Punarvasu Ju > Ke 01:24 Cp U.Shadya Su > > > > > > > Rashi Chart > ********************************************************* > * > * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * *RA 01:24 * > * * *SA 27:32 * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > *KE 01:24 * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > *MO 04:33 *JU 17:56 *AS 00:29 * * > *MA 18:31 *VE 23:20 *MER10:29 * * > * * *SU 22:42 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > Navamsa chart: > ********************************************************* > * SA * SU * MO * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * VE * * RA * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * MER * * * > * KE * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * JU * * AS * MA * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > > > Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So, many > astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this horoscope > . However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for which > Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes under > the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon > which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars (by > nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in exalted sign) > and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the > benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all planets by Rahu > and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope. > Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have > swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and not > Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu to > this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the horoscope > like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its > placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary exchange > between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating > educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the native > enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world > renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of his > personality is not so well known. > > > "Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox > view" > -SIR CV RAMAN > > This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes which > encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for scientists, > occultists and those engaged in research. > > CONCLUSION: From the above discussion, it is clear that neither Kaala > Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an > individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be given > to these. For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress or > detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic > aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees > single-minded determination to an astounding degree. So, if these > individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive research, > they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these persons > must consciously strive for all-round development of their personality > avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single agenda in life > if they are to be accepted by others. > > Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi > readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala amruta > yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy karmic > burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births! This > probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious > control of these individuals for better or for worse." > > Hope that this article may be throw useful pointers regarding the > yoga. > > ------------------ -- > -- -- > -------------------------------- > vedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635 > > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Sudir, > > You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu > figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu > and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause > havoc to the native of the chart. > > Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic > literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place > in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important > Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its > malefeasance. > > > > David > > > > > > joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > > no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu > are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people > needlessly fear this yoga > > > > MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar@m...> wrote: Om Namo Narayana > > Hello All, > > Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in > classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik > dosha. > > > > Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some > planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? > > > > For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and > ketu does it constitute dosha?? > > > > Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it > considered good ?? > > > > Regards > > MKPIYENGAR > > > > > > ___________ > > Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net > > Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, > > message boards, and much more! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) > com > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Dear Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, Thank you for posting your article on Kala Sarpa Yoga (KSY) and Kala Amrita Yoga (KAY). The examples given there does help distinguish whether KSY or KAY operates in any given case. Thank you once again. David dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Shri. David: I thought I will include an article written by me and published in EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa yoga or rather "Kala amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes benefic in some horoscopes. "KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes! By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded Kaala Sarpa Yoga. Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to hardships, struggles and failures in life of the native, Kaala Amruta Yoga enhances the good luck of the native conferring upon him intelligence, wealth and fame. It is a real challenge for an astrologer to determine whether it is kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is actually operating in a nativity. Unless we properly understand the principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can never be properly understood. So we shall first analyse the rationale behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga. Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or Kaala Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like Brihat Jatakam, Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka Alangaram, Phaladeepika, etc .., there are allegorical references to these in Nadi Astrological works. The basic principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well-known astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the house of planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if the planet or house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, when all the planets are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu and Ketu, the nativity is spoiled as a whole! This is the logic behind the dreaded Kaala Sarpa Yoga. Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga arises only if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu and Ketu (Check from Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in South-Indian style charts) and if all planets are hemmed in between Ketu and Raahu (check from Ketu to Rahu in clockwise fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is highly beneficial. However, this view is not accepted by the notable astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer and the founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that Kaala Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets are hemmed between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. Again, Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised! This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the following reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and Ketu - Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 planets are concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. between Rahu and Ketu, or Ketu and Rahu) the result will invariably be a lop-sided development of the individual which is not conductive for a healthy and normal worldly life. If all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (the most commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the individual faces much hardship in his mundane life and when he attains success in life, he is so embittered that he becomes too materialistic or revolutionary in his attitudes. On the other hand, if all the planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala sarpa yoga though of a lesser intensity), the individual's life struggles urge him towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality to the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life. In either case, it will be a case of rags to riches and back to rags again partly due to a strange twist of circumstances and partly due to the native's stubborn and rash attitudes. Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga usually suffer a lot in their early years, invariably gain prominence during the middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer from ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later years. The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of Kala Sarpa Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets hemmed between Ketu and Rahu). Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy) Jul 29,1883 Time: 2:00PM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0 Longitude: 16E00 Latitude: 41N00 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14 365.25 Day Year As 00:59 Sc Vishakha Ju Su 13:48 Cn Pushya Sa Mo 16:51 Ta Rohini Mo Ma 20:55 Ta Rohini Mo Me 13:18 Cn Pushya Sa Ju 26:18 Ge Punarvasu Ju Ve 29:20 Ge Punarvasu Ju Sa 15:22 Ta Rohini Mo Ra 14:56 Li Swati Ra Ke 14:56 Ar Bharani Ve Rashi Chart ********************************************************* * *KE 14:56 *SA 15:22 *JU 26:18 * * * *MO 16:51 *VE 29:20 * * * *MA 20:55 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * *ME 13:18 * * * *SU 13:48 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * *AS 00:59 *RA 14:56 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Navamsa Chart ********************************************************* * * * JU * MO * * * * SA * VE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * RA * * AS * * * * MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * SU * ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only Ketu-Rahu axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, the other afflictions - such as 1) The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet - Sun and , 2) the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn in the 7th house gave a deep fall. The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble burial to the native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th and 12th houses, which gives the astrological clue as to why he was betrayed by his own trusted colleagues. This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to rags, and a sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. So, we cannot presume that if all planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, then the native will enjoy highly auspicious results irrespective of other afflictions. (This hyperbolic and fallacious assumption has somehow gained currency among the lay-admirers of astrology!) There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa Yoga mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga (kaala Amruta Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala sarpa yoga!). 1) When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a native, or are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We know that Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the duplicate of Mars in bestowing results. So whatever influences prevail on Saturn and Mars, must be construed as prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively. Thus, if Saturn and Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under the control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga. 2) Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do not fall in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these conditions, Kaala Sarpa Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga. The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V. Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga. Sir.C.V.RAMAN Nov 7,1888 Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30 DST: 0 Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m. Longitude: 78E42 Latitude: 10N50 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18 365.25 Day Year As 00:29 Li Chitra Ma Su 22:42 Li Vishakha Ju Mo 04:33 Sg Mula Ke Ma 18:31 Sg P.Shadya Ve MeR 10:29 Li Swati Ra Ju 17:56 Sc Jyeshtha Me Ve 23:20 Sc Jyeshtha Me Sa 27:32 Cn Aslesha Me Ra 01:24 Cn Punarvasu Ju Ke 01:24 Cp U.Shadya Su Rashi Chart ********************************************************* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * * *RA 01:24 * * * *SA 27:32 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** *KE 01:24 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* *MO 04:33 *JU 17:56 *AS 00:29 * * *MA 18:31 *VE 23:20 *MER10:29 * * * * *SU 22:42 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Navamsa chart: ********************************************************* * SA * SU * MO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * VE * * RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *************** *************** * MER * * * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* * JU * * AS * MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ********************************************************* Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So, many astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this horoscope .. However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for which Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes under the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars (by nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in exalted sign) and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all planets by Rahu and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope. Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and not Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu to this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the horoscope like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary exchange between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the native enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of his personality is not so well known. "Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox view" -SIR CV RAMAN This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes which encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for scientists, occultists and those engaged in research. CONCLUSION: From the above discussion, it is clear that neither Kaala Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be given to these. For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress or detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees single-minded determination to an astounding degree. So, if these individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive research, they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these persons must consciously strive for all-round development of their personality avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single agenda in life if they are to be accepted by others. Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala amruta yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy karmic burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births! This probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious control of these individuals for better or for worse." Hope that this article may be throw useful pointers regarding the yoga. -------------------- ---- -------------------------------- vedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635 > wrote: > > Dear Shri Sudir, > You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause havoc to the native of the chart. > Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its malefeasance. > > David > > > joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people needlessly fear this yoga > > MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar@m...> wrote: Om Namo Narayana > Hello All, > Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik dosha. > > Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined with some planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? > > For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and ketu does it constitute dosha?? > > Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it considered good ?? > > Regards > MKPIYENGAR > > > ___________ > Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net > Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, > message boards, and much more! > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) com > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) com > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Yes, thank you for the article. I still have some questions with respect to the kala sarpa yoga, because I have a number of them in my database, including my son. Everyone who has it in my database is a special person and they are all young which means I still have to see how this yoga will manifest in them. It appears to me that this yoga if thought of in karmic terms provides the native a special karmic life in which the beneficial and adverse effects are meant to be a make or break test. In other words, the strains and rewards of the serpant of time must be revealed to the native so that he can sort out his life. I have advised my son about it, as he begins his professional climb. Does that seem right to list members? Secondly, because I believe that eclipses are very important, I look at the activation features on the nodes that eclipses provide. (I do this for my Western charts and I believe it is relevant to the Vedic charts as well.) In March, there are two major eclipses, which will affect anyone who has the nodes in Pisces and Virgo, for example. As eclipses usually have an immediate impact a week or two before and after, as well as having ramifications that can last for years, it appears to me that the affect on the native who is kala sarpa yogic should be either precipitating a rise or initiating a fall, in other words, a major beneficial or adverse crisis. Is there anything of this kind of reasoning in Vedic astrology. And certainly there have to be remedies for rahu and ketu, are there not, even for the kala sarpa yoga? A person who is receptive to these remedies ought to be able to enjoy the kala sarpa yoga's great karmic axis, I would imagine? Best regards, Kalev Pehme > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Shri. David: > > I thought I will include an article written by me and > published in EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa > yoga or rather "Kala amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes > benefic in some horoscopes. > > "KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes! > By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded > Kaala Sarpa Yoga. Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to > hardships, struggles and failures in life of the native, > Kaala Amruta Yoga enhances the good luck of the native > conferring upon him intelligence, wealth and fame. It is a > real challenge for an astrologer to determine whether it is > kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is actually > operating in a nativity. Unless we properly understand the > principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can > never be properly understood. So we shall first analyse the > rationale behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or > Kaala Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like > Brihat Jatakam, Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka > Alangaram, Phaladeepika, etc ., there are allegorical > references to these in Nadi Astrological works. The basic > principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well-known > astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the > house of planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if > the planet or house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, > when all the planets are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu > and Ketu, the nativity is spoiled as a whole! This is the > logic behind the dreaded Kaala Sarpa Yoga. > > Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga > arises only if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu > and Ketu (Check from Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in > South-Indian style charts) and if all planets are hemmed in > between Ketu and Raahu (check from Ketu to Rahu in clockwise > fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is highly beneficial. > However, this view is not accepted by the notable astrologer > Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer and the > founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that > Kaala Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets > are hemmed between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. > Again, Dr.B.V.Raman is of the opinion that if the ascendant > is on the other axis while all the planets are hemmed on one > side of the axis, then the evil arising out of Kala Sarpa > Yoga almost gets neutralised! > > This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the following > reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and > Ketu - Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 > planets are concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. > between Rahu and Ketu, or Ketu and Rahu) the result will > invariably be a lop-sided development of the individual which > is not conductive for a healthy and normal worldly life. If > all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu (the most > commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the > individual faces much hardship in his mundane life and when > he attains success in life, he is so embittered that he > becomes too materialistic or revolutionary in his attitudes. > On the other hand, if all the planets are hemmed between Ketu > and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala sarpa yoga though of > a lesser intensity), the individual's life struggles urge him > towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality to > the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life. In > either case, it will be a case of rags to riches and back to > rags again partly due to a strange twist of circumstances and > partly due to the native's stubborn and rash attitudes. > Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga usually suffer a lot in > their early years, invariably gain prominence during the > middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer from > ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later years. > > The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of > Kala Sarpa Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets > hemmed between Ketu and Rahu). > Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy) Jul 29,1883 > Time: 2:00PM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0 > > Longitude: 16E00 Latitude: 41N00 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14 365.25 Day Year > > As 00:59 Sc Vishakha Ju Su 13:48 Cn Pushya Sa Mo 16:51 Ta > Rohini Mo Ma 20:55 Ta Rohini Mo Me 13:18 Cn Pushya Sa > Ju 26:18 Ge Punarvasu Ju > Ve 29:20 Ge Punarvasu Ju > Sa 15:22 Ta Rohini Mo > Ra 14:56 Li Swati Ra > Ke 14:56 Ar Bharani Ve > > > Rashi Chart > ********************************************************* > * *KE 14:56 *SA 15:22 *JU 26:18 * > * * *MO 16:51 *VE 29:20 * > * * *MA 20:55 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * *ME 13:18 * > * * *SU 13:48 * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * *AS 00:59 *RA 14:56 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > Navamsa Chart > ********************************************************* > * * * JU * MO * > * * * SA * VE * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * RA * * AS * > * * * MA * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * * * KE * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * SU * ME * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only > Ketu-Rahu axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, > the other afflictions - such as > 1) The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet > - Sun and , > > 2) the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn > in the 7th > house gave a deep fall. > > > The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble > burial to the native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th > and 12th houses, which gives the astrological clue as to why > he was betrayed by his own trusted colleagues. > This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to > rags, and a sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. > So, we cannot presume that if all planets are hemmed between > Ketu and Rahu, then the native will enjoy highly auspicious > results irrespective of other afflictions. (This hyperbolic > and fallacious assumption has somehow gained currency among > the lay-admirers of astrology!) > > > There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa > Yoga mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga > (kaala Amruta > Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala > sarpa yoga!). > > 1) When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a > native, or > are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is > transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We > know that Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the > duplicate of Mars in bestowing results. So whatever > influences prevail on Saturn and Mars, must be construed as > prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively. Thus, if Saturn and > Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under the > control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets > transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > 2) Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or Capricorn > then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do > not fall in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these > conditions, Kaala Sarpa Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V. > Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga. > > Sir.C.V.RAMAN > Nov 7,1888 > Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30 > DST: 0 Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m. > Longitude: 78E42 Latitude: 10N50 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18 365.25 Day Year > > > As 00:29 Li Chitra Ma > Su 22:42 Li Vishakha Ju > Mo 04:33 Sg Mula Ke > Ma 18:31 Sg P.Shadya Ve > MeR 10:29 Li Swati Ra > Ju 17:56 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Ve 23:20 Sc Jyeshtha Me > Sa 27:32 Cn Aslesha Me > Ra 01:24 Cn Punarvasu Ju > Ke 01:24 Cp U.Shadya Su > > > > > > > Rashi Chart > ********************************************************* > > > * > * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * * *RA 01:24 * > * * *SA 27:32 * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > *KE 01:24 * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > *MO 04:33 *JU 17:56 *AS 00:29 * * > *MA 18:31 *VE 23:20 *MER10:29 * * > * * *SU 22:42 * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > Navamsa chart: > ********************************************************* > * SA * SU * MO * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > * VE * * RA * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > *************** *************** > * MER * * * > * KE * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > * * * * > ********************************************************* > * JU * * AS * MA * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > * * * * * > ********************************************************* > > > > Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So, many > astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this horoscope > . However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for which > Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes under > the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon > which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars (by > nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in > exalted sign) > and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the > benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all > planets by Rahu > and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope. > Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have > swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and not > Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu to > this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the horoscope > like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its > placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary exchange > between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating > educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the native > enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world > renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of his > personality is not so well known. > > > "Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox > view" > -SIR CV RAMAN > > This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes which > encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for scientists, > occultists and those engaged in research. > > CONCLUSION: From the above discussion, it is clear that > neither Kaala > Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an > individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be given > to these. For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress or > detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic > aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees > single-minded determination to an astounding degree. So, if these > individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive research, > they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these persons > must consciously strive for all-round development of their > personality > avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single > agenda in life > if they are to be accepted by others. > > Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi > readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala amruta > yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy karmic > burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births! This > probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious > control of these individuals for better or for worse." > > Hope that this article may be throw useful pointers regarding the > yoga. > > > > -------------------- > ---- > -------------------------------- > vedic astrology, David Andrews <andrews635 > > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Sudir, > > You say that Rahu and Ketu are non-existent but Rahu and Ketu > figure in Vedic Astrology and are included in the Dasa scheme. Rahu > and Ketu are malefics and unless well placed in a chart could cause > havoc to the native of the chart. > > Likewise, Kala Sarpa Yoga, though not supported in vedic > literature, does according to learned astrologers have found a place > in vedic astrology. You may look at Dr.B.V. Raman's "300 Important > Combinations", where he has written about Kala Sarpa Yoga and its > malefeasance. > > > > David > > > > > > joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > > no, kala sarpa yoga does not mean anything, because rahu and ketu > are non existant, they are neither stars , nor planets, many people > needlessly fear this yoga > > > > MKPIYENGAR <mkpiyengar@m...> wrote: Om Namo Narayana > > Hello All, > > Does Kala Sarpa yoga has real significance( reference in > classics) or it has also got its nullifying effects like Mangalik > dosha. > > > > Also, some texts say that if Rahu or Ketu are conjoined > with some > planets then the yoga is nullified. Is this true? > > > > For eg: if Rahu is with Mars and all other planets between it and > ketu does it constitute dosha?? > > > > Similarly counting from lagna if ketu comes first then is it > considered good ?? > > > > Regards > > MKPIYENGAR > > > > > > ___________ > > Get your free web-based e-mail account from http://www.Math.net > > Your online tourguide of Mathematics, with books, links, news, > > message boards, and much more! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) > com > > > > ....... 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