Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Hi...I have a question and I was hoping someone here could help out if possible...over the past year (I take it as a blessing) to have turned towards spirituality...however I find there are those periods which are in a sense 'low' and I am not able to fully concentrate. Along with this the relatives I am currently living with are very involved in a particular religious sanstha whereas I am more of a 'loner' and believe in spending time by myself. Call it my weakness or wat but I find here I am not able to concentrate as well as I was able to at home when sitting to pray. Therefore I was curious as to whether in fact one can experience ups and downs in terms of spirituality... 01/14/83 16:09 23° 03' N 72° 40' E Sejal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 If you have jupiter+ketu in 5th, 9th, or12th house,your bent is certainly towords spirituallity, it will keep taking you away from the earthlly desires, and take up intense meditation(sanyas yoga), or if you are running mahadasa , bhukti, or antara of the 9th lord, then also it will make you spiritual grinchluver <grinchluver wrote: Hi...I have a question and I was hoping someone here could help out if possible...over the past year (I take it as a blessing) to have turned towards spirituality...however I find there are those periods which are in a sense 'low' and I am not able to fully concentrate. Along with this the relatives I am currently living with are very involved in a particular religious sanstha whereas I am more of a 'loner' and believe in spending time by myself. Call it my weakness or wat but I find here I am not able to concentrate as well as I was able to at home when sitting to pray. Therefore I was curious as to whether in fact one can experience ups and downs in terms of spirituality... 01/14/83 16:09 23° 03' N 72° 40' E Sejal Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Thank you for responding While I do not have jupiter and/or ketu in my 5th/9th/12th in my birth chart (in which jupiter is in 6th house and ketu in 7th) there is ketu in the 12th in the moon sign chart. I am assuming that also can be indicative. Sejal vedic astrology, joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > > If you have jupiter+ketu in 5th, 9th, or12th house,your bent is certainly towords spirituallity, it will keep taking you away from the earthlly desires, and take up intense meditation(sanyas yoga), or if you are running mahadasa , bhukti, or antara of the 9th lord, then also it will make you spiritual > > grinchluver <grinchluver> wrote: Hi...I have a question and I was hoping someone here could help out if > possible...over the past year (I take it as a blessing) to have turned > towards spirituality...however I find there are those periods which > are in a sense 'low' and I am not able to fully concentrate. Along > with this the relatives I am currently living with are very involved > in a particular religious sanstha whereas I am more of a 'loner' and > believe in spending time by myself. Call it my weakness or wat but I > find here I am not able to concentrate as well as I was able to at > home when sitting to pray. Therefore I was curious as to whether in > fact one can experience ups and downs in terms of spirituality... > > 01/14/83 > 16:09 > 23° 03' N > 72° 40' E > > Sejal > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 yes, ketu in 12th house in your moon chart aslo shows seclusion, exile(self imposed)and introspectictive mindset, it will take you away from earthly desires grinchluver <grinchluver wrote: Thank you for responding While I do not have jupiter and/or ketu in my 5th/9th/12th in my birth chart (in which jupiter is in 6th house and ketu in 7th) there is ketu in the 12th in the moon sign chart. I am assuming that also can be indicative. Sejal vedic astrology, joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > > If you have jupiter+ketu in 5th, 9th, or12th house,your bent is certainly towords spirituallity, it will keep taking you away from the earthlly desires, and take up intense meditation(sanyas yoga), or if you are running mahadasa , bhukti, or antara of the 9th lord, then also it will make you spiritual > > grinchluver <grinchluver> wrote: Hi...I have a question and I was hoping someone here could help out if > possible...over the past year (I take it as a blessing) to have turned > towards spirituality...however I find there are those periods which > are in a sense 'low' and I am not able to fully concentrate. Along > with this the relatives I am currently living with are very involved > in a particular religious sanstha whereas I am more of a 'loner' and > believe in spending time by myself. Call it my weakness or wat but I > find here I am not able to concentrate as well as I was able to at > home when sitting to pray. Therefore I was curious as to whether in > fact one can experience ups and downs in terms of spirituality... > > 01/14/83 > 16:09 > 23° 03' N > 72° 40' E > > Sejal > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Dear Sejal, Spirituality is very wide term, What is your problem is not of spirituality but concentration. You should take Panchakshari Mantra of Lord Shiva from Guru. Om Namaha Shivay . It will work for you. Your moon which is also loard of 12 house is in Nichh Rashi.is aslo deblited. I do not advise you to wear perl but strongly recommend to Chant Chandra - Moon Mantra. and take fast on Monday. Eart One time and only Milk Rise or rise items. For your Knowledge , we take stock of any sadhaka as under : 4 th house : we check Pranayam -yoga 5 th house : we check followers 8 th house : we check Param Prapti- Samadhi 9 th house : we check serve world and needy people Rahu : sadhana and shiddhi Vinshottari Guru Dasha- Gnana uday Shani Dasha Followers relationship and controll etc.. etc.... You should get your chart checked by experts. skotak grinchluver <grinchluver wrote: Hi...I have a question and I was hoping someone here could help out if possible...over the past year (I take it as a blessing) to have turned towards spirituality...however I find there are those periods which are in a sense 'low' and I am not able to fully concentrate. Along with this the relatives I am currently living with are very involved in a particular religious sanstha whereas I am more of a 'loner' and believe in spending time by myself. Call it my weakness or wat but I find here I am not able to concentrate as well as I was able to at home when sitting to pray. Therefore I was curious as to whether in fact one can experience ups and downs in terms of spirituality... 01/14/83 16:09 23° 03' N 72° 40' E Sejal Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. vedic astrology Jiyo cricket on India cricket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Thank u for ur time and insight regarding my question Sejal vedic astrology, joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > > yes, ketu in 12th house in your moon chart aslo shows seclusion, exile(self imposed)and introspectictive mindset, it will take you away from earthly desires > > grinchluver <grinchluver> wrote: Thank you for responding While I do not have jupiter and/or ketu > in my 5th/9th/12th in my birth chart (in which jupiter is in 6th > house and ketu in 7th) there is ketu in the 12th in the moon sign > chart. I am assuming that also can be indicative. > > Sejal > > vedic astrology, joshi sudhir > <stj801819> wrote: > > > > If you have jupiter+ketu in 5th, 9th, or12th house,your bent is > certainly towords spirituallity, it will keep taking you away from > the earthlly desires, and take up intense meditation(sanyas yoga), > or if you are running mahadasa , bhukti, or antara of the 9th lord, > then also it will make you spiritual > > > > grinchluver <grinchluver> wrote: Hi...I have a question and > I was hoping someone here could help out if > > possible...over the past year (I take it as a blessing) to have > turned > > towards spirituality...however I find there are those periods > which > > are in a sense 'low' and I am not able to fully concentrate. > Along > > with this the relatives I am currently living with are very > involved > > in a particular religious sanstha whereas I am more of a 'loner' > and > > believe in spending time by myself. Call it my weakness or wat > but I > > find here I am not able to concentrate as well as I was able to at > > home when sitting to pray. Therefore I was curious as to whether > in > > fact one can experience ups and downs in terms of spirituality... > > > > 01/14/83 > > 16:09 > > 23° 03' N > > 72° 40' E > > > > Sejal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Hi...my apoligies...actually when I wrote spirituality I didn't know wat exact term to use. I didn't want to say 'religious' because I do not think of it is necessarily that. I am not inclined towards pujas, visiting the mandir, etc. but rather in the past year I have turned towards praying (in solitude when possible) and reading the Gita. So I was unsure of what to term this as. I will definitely look into wat u mentioned. Thank u for ur response regarding my question. Sejal -Speaking of Rahu-whomever I have spoken to in regard of my kundali usually ponders on the Rahu in the 1st house in Gemini but in the end tells me it is a (+). vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35> wrote: > > Dear Sejal, > > Spirituality is very wide term, > > What is your problem is not of spirituality but concentration. > You should take Panchakshari Mantra of Lord Shiva from Guru. > Om Namaha Shivay . It will work for you. Your moon which is also loard of 12 house is in Nichh Rashi.is aslo deblited. I do not advise you to wear perl but strongly recommend to Chant Chandra - Moon Mantra. and take fast on Monday. Eart One time and only Milk Rise or rise items. > > For your Knowledge , we take stock of any sadhaka as under : > 4 th house : we check Pranayam -yoga > 5 th house : we check followers > 8 th house : we check Param Prapti- Samadhi > 9 th house : we check serve world and needy people > Rahu : sadhana and shiddhi > Vinshottari Guru Dasha- Gnana uday > Shani Dasha Followers relationship and controll > > etc.. etc.... > > You should get your chart checked by experts. > > skotak > > grinchluver <grinchluver> wrote: > Hi...I have a question and I was hoping someone here could help out if > possible...over the past year (I take it as a blessing) to have turned > towards spirituality...however I find there are those periods which > are in a sense 'low' and I am not able to fully concentrate. Along > with this the relatives I am currently living with are very involved > in a particular religious sanstha whereas I am more of a 'loner' and > believe in spending time by myself. Call it my weakness or wat but I > find here I am not able to concentrate as well as I was able to at > home when sitting to pray. Therefore I was curious as to whether in > fact one can experience ups and downs in terms of spirituality... > > 01/14/83 > 16:09 > 23° 03' N > 72° 40' E > > Sejal > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Dear Shri. Grinchluver: Unless you are specific about success in sadhanas, you NEED NOT check for horoscopic factors for success in spiritual path. If your inner self impels you towards spiritual pursuits and contemplation, you can definitely go beyond the obstacles in your path brought about by horoscopic factors. Spiritual exercises are capable of nullifying all negativities in any horoscope. I remember you asking whether there will be ups and downs in spiritual progress......yes! There will be times when you may feel impeled to concentrate and contemplate more while there may be times when you may just feel not up to it! Take it in your stride. The secret of bringing turbulent sense under your control is not by rigid control but by letting them go along their way for a certain distance and then gradually and firmly bringing them back to your spiritual track. When you indulge in spiritual practices, during the process of burning of praarabdha karmas, you will be prone to distractions, depressive states, and even dangerous temptations.......One who negotiates this tricky stage successfully is definitely destined for liberation. Even Mahatmas have crossed these stages...... Believe in your inner voice which will definitely guide you properly. Conscience guides and warns everyone.... but only a few are wise enough to heed it! Let me repeat.....unless you want to choose sadhana path or yogic paths.... horoscopic factors do not necessarily impede the real progress of a spiritually oriented person. Even if you feel you have tripped in your progress, there is nothing go worry.... you do not lose ANYTHING. The wisdom gained by spiritual experiences cannot be tainted or reduced by occasional falls....It does not matter if you fall from your path often..... It matters only if you do not have it in you to get up and get going on your path after a fall.... Bhagavat Gita is Divine Voice of Lord Krishna - the Jagat Guru. One who has really mastered Gita needs no further initiation from a Guru. March on hero! Blessed be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Hi thank you for your thorough response...and as strange as it may sound you have echoed my thoughts. It is true that for one who is a true believer and firm in their resolute what a horoscope may read matters little. However, it is in those moments of weakness and setback that one turns to such things (horoscope, etc.) for answers. But it is later that you realize that you really do not care to know and just wish to keep going on. And what you spoke of in regard to falling and getting up...falling and getting back up...the exact thoughts of what is said in the Gita when Shri Krishna answers Arjuna's question by assuring him that one who has taken to the spiritual path may stumble but will never fall back into the evil ways and to a life of excessive desires and lust. Once again thank you for your response. Sejal vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > Dear Shri. Grinchluver: > > Unless you are specific about success in sadhanas, you NEED NOT > check for horoscopic factors for success in spiritual path. If your > inner self impels you towards spiritual pursuits and contemplation, > you can definitely go beyond the obstacles in your path brought about > by horoscopic factors. Spiritual exercises are capable of nullifying > all negativities in any horoscope. > > I remember you asking whether there will be ups and downs in > spiritual progress......yes! There will be times when you may feel > impeled to concentrate and contemplate more while there may be times > when you may just feel not up to it! Take it in your stride. The > secret of bringing turbulent sense under your control is not by rigid > control but by letting them go along their way for a certain distance > and then gradually and firmly bringing them back to your spiritual > track. When you indulge in spiritual practices, during the process of > burning of praarabdha karmas, you will be prone to distractions, > depressive states, and even dangerous temptations.......One who > negotiates this tricky stage successfully is definitely destined for > liberation. Even Mahatmas have crossed these stages...... Believe in > your inner voice which will definitely guide you properly. Conscience > guides and warns everyone.... but only a few are wise enough to heed > it! > > Let me repeat.....unless you want to choose sadhana path or yogic > paths.... horoscopic factors do not necessarily impede the real > progress of a spiritually oriented person. Even if you feel you have > tripped in your progress, there is nothing go worry.... you do not > lose ANYTHING. The wisdom gained by spiritual experiences cannot be > tainted or reduced by occasional falls....It does not matter if you > fall from your path often..... It matters only if you do not have it > in you to get up and get going on your path after a fall.... > > Bhagavat Gita is Divine Voice of Lord Krishna - the Jagat Guru. > One who has really mastered Gita needs no further initiation from a > Guru. March on hero! > > Blessed be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Does it mean that jupiter + Ketu in other house does not lead to spirituallity. vedic astrology, joshi sudhir <stj801819> wrote: > > yes, ketu in 12th house in your moon chart aslo shows seclusion, exile(self imposed)and introspectictive mindset, it will take you away from earthly desires > > grinchluver <grinchluver> wrote: Thank you for responding While I do not have jupiter and/or ketu > in my 5th/9th/12th in my birth chart (in which jupiter is in 6th > house and ketu in 7th) there is ketu in the 12th in the moon sign > chart. I am assuming that also can be indicative. > > Sejal > > vedic astrology, joshi sudhir > <stj801819> wrote: > > > > If you have jupiter+ketu in 5th, 9th, or12th house,your bent is > certainly towords spirituallity, it will keep taking you away from > the earthlly desires, and take up intense meditation(sanyas yoga), > or if you are running mahadasa , bhukti, or antara of the 9th lord, > then also it will make you spiritual > > > > grinchluver <grinchluver> wrote: Hi...I have a question and > I was hoping someone here could help out if > > possible...over the past year (I take it as a blessing) to have > turned > > towards spirituality...however I find there are those periods > which > > are in a sense 'low' and I am not able to fully concentrate. > Along > > with this the relatives I am currently living with are very > involved > > in a particular religious sanstha whereas I am more of a 'loner' > and > > believe in spending time by myself. Call it my weakness or wat > but I > > find here I am not able to concentrate as well as I was able to at > > home when sitting to pray. Therefore I was curious as to whether > in > > fact one can experience ups and downs in terms of spirituality... > > > > 01/14/83 > > 16:09 > > 23° 03' N > > 72° 40' E > > > > Sejal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > vedic astrology > > Terms of Service. > > > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 as per my amateur understanding the moksha trikona viz. 4,8,12th house and its association with jupiter and ketu either via grah drishti or rashi drishti gives spiritualism. regards harjeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 dear sir, u wrote, "When you indulge in spiritual practices, during the process of burning of praarabdha karmas, you will be prone to distractions, depressive states, and even dangerous temptations......." I am doing sadhana for the last 3 years. Could u indicate the source of the above statement 'coz i've experienced something similar. What would be your reading of my chart from the spiritual angle. (DOB 3rd July 1954; 2.45.15 a.m.; Lucknow) Regards, Vinita vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer> wrote: > > Dear Shri. Grinchluver: > > Unless you are specific about success in sadhanas, you NEED NOT > check for horoscopic factors for success in spiritual path. If your > inner self impels you towards spiritual pursuits and contemplation, > you can definitely go beyond the obstacles in your path brought about > by horoscopic factors. Spiritual exercises are capable of nullifying > all negativities in any horoscope. > > I remember you asking whether there will be ups and downs in > spiritual progress......yes! There will be times when you may feel > impeled to concentrate and contemplate more while there may be times > when you may just feel not up to it! Take it in your stride. The > secret of bringing turbulent sense under your control is not by rigid > control but by letting them go along their way for a certain distance > and then gradually and firmly bringing them back to your spiritual > track. When you indulge in spiritual practices, during the process of > burning of praarabdha karmas, you will be prone to distractions, > depressive states, and even dangerous temptations.......One who > negotiates this tricky stage successfully is definitely destined for > liberation. Even Mahatmas have crossed these stages...... Believe in > your inner voice which will definitely guide you properly. Conscience > guides and warns everyone.... but only a few are wise enough to heed > it! > > Let me repeat.....unless you want to choose sadhana path or yogic > paths.... horoscopic factors do not necessarily impede the real > progress of a spiritually oriented person. Even if you feel you have > tripped in your progress, there is nothing go worry.... you do not > lose ANYTHING. The wisdom gained by spiritual experiences cannot be > tainted or reduced by occasional falls....It does not matter if you > fall from your path often..... It matters only if you do not have it > in you to get up and get going on your path after a fall.... > > Bhagavat Gita is Divine Voice of Lord Krishna - the Jagat Guru. > One who has really mastered Gita needs no further initiation from a > Guru. March on hero! > > Blessed be. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Namaste friends, I just want to philosophize a little bit here and make some freewheeling comments. Please forgive me if I offend your sensibilities. Starting to worship a deity is a *potentially* life-altering event. If someone is suggested the specific sadhana in which one has already made tremendous progress in the previous lives, results can come very quickly. So choosing an ishta devata to recommend to someone is probably the most important choice a Jyotishi makes. I cannot believe that thumbrules and formulas are sufficient in such a sublime task. I believe that only an astrologer who is pure from within and in touch with his/her own ishta devata can give perfect guidance in a sublime matter such as this. Of course, a wrong suggestion is not disastrous. Worship of any deity will only lead one in the right direction. But a perfect guidance can save one a lot of time. We have various planets associated with various deities, as given in various classics. While many Hindu masters recognize the supreme divinity as nirguna (attribute-less), all manifestations that we can pray to have various gunas (attributes). As planets too represent various attributes, we map planets to devatas. However, there are millions of deities in Hinduism, each representing a different combination of attributes. How can we pick the right deity based just on 9 planets? The same god sometimes has many different forms, with different attributes. For example, take Ganesha. There are different forms of Ganesha - Mohana Ganapathi, Uchchishta Ganapathi, Raaja Ganapathi, Siddhi Ganapathi etc. Obviously, each has different attributes. Can the same planet or planet combination capture all? One can even imagine Ganapthi not as just an obstacle remover, but as the one who is close to Brahman and almost attribute-less. "Ganapathyatharva Seersham" is a prayer to such a form of Ganesha who is lauded to create, sustain and destroy this universe. Isn't such a subtle form of Ganesha grossly different from the standard form we imagine? Can the same planetary combinations capture it? In fact, such a subtle form that is close to formlessness exists for various deities. If Venus shows Lakshmi, does the same Venus show Adyaadi Sri Mahalakshmi, from whom the entire creation - including Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - is said to have come in the sapta shati rahasyam? With due respect, I feel that our current understanding of Jyotish is not sufficient and not reliable in coming up with the perfect recommendation for a deity worship for making progress towards moksha. That is why I humbly suggest to fellow Jyotishis that sadhana (personal internal practice of whatever spiritual path one chooses) is essential. Only one whose internal light is pure can guide others correctly. Making correct predictions of marriage, job offer, child birth etc is excellent. No doubt. But, if one changes somebody's life by directing one towards the correct form of divinity, there is nothing like it! Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every experience.. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a positive way. Ok, there I end my 2 cents of freewheeling thoughts. Good night! May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear Paul, > > For Istadevata take the > strongest planet - if any, in > 12H from AK in D9. If there is > no planet, take the lord of > 12H from AK > > Best wishes > > jk > > > sohamsa > [sohamsa > m]On Behalf Of paul_timecharts > Thursday, June 01, 2006 > 5:42 PM > sohamsa > > Spirituality > > > Dear Group, > > I have a chap here who wishes > to know his Ishta Devata. The > problem > is I have not been taught what > to do if there is no direct > connection > between AK (Karakamsha) and > Istha Devata (Jivanmuktamsha). > > AK Shukra in Tula (D9) with > Mangala, Budha and Ketu in > Virgo. No > rashi drshti connects the two > 'grahas'. > > Only thing I thought was > lagnamsa Vrscika has two > lords, one with the > AK, the other with the Ishta. > Could not this Mangala/Ketu > indicate > Deity or would we advise > Vishnu, even though no > connection? > > All the best, > Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dear Narsimha, I noticed you changing your May Jupiter's light shine on us to Brahama, any specific reason? Regards "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste friends, I just want to philosophize a little bit here and make some freewheeling comments. Please forgive me if I offend your sensibilities. Starting to worship a deity is a *potentially* life-altering event. If someone is suggested the specific sadhana in which one has already made tremendous progress in the previous lives, results can come very quickly. So choosing an ishta devata to recommend to someone is probably the most important choice a Jyotishi makes. I cannot believe that thumbrules and formulas are sufficient in such a sublime task. I believe that only an astrologer who is pure from within and in touch with his/her own ishta devata can give perfect guidance in a sublime matter such as this. Of course, a wrong suggestion is not disastrous. Worship of any deity will only lead one in the right direction. But a perfect guidance can save one a lot of time. We have various planets associated with various deities, as given in various classics. While many Hindu masters recognize the supreme divinity as nirguna (attribute-less), all manifestations that we can pray to have various gunas (attributes). As planets too represent various attributes, we map planets to devatas. However, there are millions of deities in Hinduism, each representing a different combination of attributes. How can we pick the right deity based just on 9 planets? The same god sometimes has many different forms, with different attributes. For example, take Ganesha. There are different forms of Ganesha - Mohana Ganapathi, Uchchishta Ganapathi, Raaja Ganapathi, Siddhi Ganapathi etc. Obviously, each has different attributes. Can the same planet or planet combination capture all? One can even imagine Ganapthi not as just an obstacle remover, but as the one who is close to Brahman and almost attribute-less. "Ganapathyatharva Seersham" is a prayer to such a form of Ganesha who is lauded to create, sustain and destroy this universe. Isn't such a subtle form of Ganesha grossly different from the standard form we imagine? Can the same planetary combinations capture it? In fact, such a subtle form that is close to formlessness exists for various deities. If Venus shows Lakshmi, does the same Venus show Adyaadi Sri Mahalakshmi, from whom the entire creation - including Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - is said to have come in the sapta shati rahasyam? With due respect, I feel that our current understanding of Jyotish is not sufficient and not reliable in coming up with the perfect recommendation for a deity worship for making progress towards moksha. That is why I humbly suggest to fellow Jyotishis that sadhana (personal internal practice of whatever spiritual path one chooses) is essential. Only one whose internal light is pure can guide others correctly. Making correct predictions of marriage, job offer, child birth etc is excellent. No doubt. But, if one changes somebody's life by directing one towards the correct form of divinity, there is nothing like it! Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every experience.. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a positive way. Ok, there I end my 2 cents of freewheeling thoughts. Good night! May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear Paul, > > For Istadevata take the > strongest planet - if any, in > 12H from AK in D9. If there is > no planet, take the lord of > 12H from AK > > Best wishes > > jk > > > sohamsa > [sohamsa > m]On Behalf Of paul_timecharts > Thursday, June 01, 2006 > 5:42 PM > sohamsa > > Spirituality > > > Dear Group, > > I have a chap here who wishes > to know his Ishta Devata. The > problem > is I have not been taught what > to do if there is no direct > connection > between AK (Karakamsha) and > Istha Devata (Jivanmuktamsha). > > AK Shukra in Tula (D9) with > Mangala, Budha and Ketu in > Virgo. No > rashi drshti connects the two > 'grahas'. > > Only thing I thought was > lagnamsa Vrscika has two > lords, one with the > AK, the other with the Ishta. > Could not this Mangala/Ketu > indicate > Deity or would we advise > Vishnu, even though no > connection? > > All the best, > Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dear Arjun Pandit ji Very well said. Rituals has lesser role than self realization. It is the faith in supreme (and in turn faith on yourself - without doubts) at subconscious level, which leads to the ultimate path. regards / Prafulla Gang Happiness is like a butterfly, the more you chase it, the more it will elude you, if you capture it against it's will, you will kill it, but if you set your mind on other things, it might just come and sit gently on your shoulder. > > panditarjun2004 > Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:27:20 -0000 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Spirituality & Ishta Devata > > dear friends > the enlightening observations of shri PVRN Rao ji are thought > provoking for any desirous person on the path of realisation. > however, for lesser mortals viz. not so realised nor have any > inclination of realisation and want solutions for their material > needs, due to lightening speed with which the light of astrology is > spreading all over the world, the natives are confused and perplexed > in PICKING AND CHOOSING a god even for worshipping. such cherry > picking of a particular form of god is not advisable as it is > against the tenets of spirituality. natives, in their newfound love > to discover the various gods with various titles tailor made for > each native, ask the astrologers to find the following: > 1. ishta devata > 2. kula devata > 3. grama devata > 4. dharma devata > 5. aradhya devata > of course, before worshipping any devata, ganesha needs to be > worshipped first and this need not be added in the list! > if a person is really interested in knowing the reality i.e. truth > which is called self realisation, the reality is that GOD IS > WITHIN. adi shankarachyarya explained this beautifully in his > atmabodha. vedas say "ekam sat, vipraa bahudha vadanti" meaning > REALITY(GOD)IS ONE, LEARNT CALL IT MANY. here vipraas means learnt > people (astrologers in current context) recommending ishta devatas > also. when lord krishna shown the entire universe within his mouth > in childhood and again in his vishva roopa darshanam later, it is > only to educate the natives that everything is within. > since your body is the abode of god, you are all requested to make > yourselves pure without any vices and make yourself a respectable > person and treat yourself as holy as you treat god. > hope i have not strayed from astrology and tried to clear the > obfuscation on various ishta, kula etc. devatas. > with best wishes > pandit arjun > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > <pvr wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I just want to philosophize a little bit here and make some > freewheeling comments. Please forgive me if I offend your > sensibilities. > > > > Starting to worship a deity is a *potentially* life-altering > event. If someone is suggested the specific sadhana in which one has > already made tremendous progress in the previous lives, results can > come very quickly. So choosing an ishta devata to recommend to > someone is probably the most important choice a Jyotishi makes. > > > > I cannot believe that thumbrules and formulas are sufficient in > such a sublime task. I believe that only an astrologer who is pure > from within and in touch with his/her own ishta devata can give > perfect guidance in a sublime matter such as this. Of course, a > wrong suggestion is not disastrous. Worship of any deity will only > lead one in the right direction. But a perfect guidance can save one > a lot of time. > > > > We have various planets associated with various deities, as given > in various classics. While many Hindu masters recognize the supreme > divinity as nirguna (attribute-less), all manifestations that we can > pray to have various gunas (attributes). As planets too represent > various attributes, we map planets to devatas. However, there are > millions of deities in Hinduism, each representing a different > combination of attributes. How can we pick the right deity based > just on 9 planets? > > > > The same god sometimes has many different forms, with different > attributes. For example, take Ganesha. There are different forms of > Ganesha - Mohana Ganapathi, Uchchishta Ganapathi, Raaja Ganapathi, > Siddhi Ganapathi etc. Obviously, each has different attributes. Can > the same planet or planet combination capture all? > > > > One can even imagine Ganapthi not as just an obstacle remover, but > as the one who is close to Brahman and almost attribute- > less. "Ganapathyatharva Seersham" is a prayer to such a form of > Ganesha who is lauded to create, sustain and destroy this universe. > Isn't such a subtle form of Ganesha grossly different from the > standard form we imagine? Can the same planetary combinations > capture it? > > > > In fact, such a subtle form that is close to formlessness exists > for various deities. If Venus shows Lakshmi, does the same Venus > show Adyaadi Sri Mahalakshmi, from whom the entire creation - > including Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - is said to have come in the > sapta shati rahasyam? > > > > With due respect, I feel that our current understanding of Jyotish > is not sufficient and not reliable in coming up with the perfect > recommendation for a deity worship for making progress towards > moksha. That is why I humbly suggest to fellow Jyotishis that > sadhana (personal internal practice of whatever spiritual path one > chooses) is essential. Only one whose internal light is pure can > guide others correctly. > > > > Making correct predictions of marriage, job offer, child birth etc > is excellent. No doubt. But, if one changes somebody's life by > directing one towards the correct form of divinity, there is nothing > like it! > > > > Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th > house from AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is > empty, you can never be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his > ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The 12th from him has > Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury and Saturn dominates. > Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up > dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that > there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every > experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would > not have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer > suggested him Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! > > > > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be > Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? > > > > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas > don't work always. Mastering the implications of astrological > combinations is difficult and understanding the nature of millions > of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot rely on our > limited understanding of Jyotish alone. There is really no > substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's ishta > devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in > a positive way. > > > > Ok, there I end my 2 cents of freewheeling thoughts. Good night! > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > [http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net] > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > [http://www.VedicAstrologer.org] > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > [http://www.SriJagannath.org] > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Dear Paul, > > > > > > For Istadevata take the > > > strongest planet - if any, in > > > 12H from AK in D9. If there is > > > no planet, take the lord of > > > 12H from AK > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > jk > > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > [sohamsa@ > > > m]On Behalf Of paul_timecharts > > > Thursday, June 01, 2006 > > > 5:42 PM > > > sohamsa > > > > > > Spirituality > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > I have a chap here who wishes > > > to know his Ishta Devata. The > > > problem > > > is I have not been taught what > > > to do if there is no direct > > > connection > > > between AK (Karakamsha) and > > > Istha Devata (Jivanmuktamsha). > > > > > > AK Shukra in Tula (D9) with > > > Mangala, Budha and Ketu in > > > Virgo. No > > > rashi drshti connects the two > > > 'grahas'. > > > > > > Only thing I thought was > > > lagnamsa Vrscika has two > > > lords, one with the > > > AK, the other with the Ishta. > > > Could not this Mangala/Ketu > > > indicate > > > Deity or would we advise > > > Vishnu, even though no > > > connection? > > > > > > All the best, > > > Paul > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Respected Sir, I am heartily thankful for guidance in the Field of spirituality. You are right when you say that God in "Nirguna and Niraakar" and "one".why so many devi and devata has been created? Dualism is clear for a person with normal understanding."Chaitanya and Prakriti" Chaitanya can not manifest itself without Prakriti as electricity can not manifest without bulb.But bulb is useless without Electricity. To whom one should worship or recite mantra when one is in trouble? Psychologicaly he wants support as if my father is with me though he knows that God is within and he is uplifting his Soul or will power or courage to fight the situation. So he needs some supporter by his side. These are my humble thoughts which I have submitted in your lotus feet. A drowing person needs help how ever it may be insignificant "Doobte ko tinke ka sahaara" With thanks and warm regards. --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > Namaste friends, > > I just want to philosophize a little bit here and > make some freewheeling comments. Please forgive me > if I offend your sensibilities. > > Starting to worship a deity is a *potentially* > life-altering event. If someone is suggested the > specific sadhana in which one has already made > tremendous progress in the previous lives, results > can come very quickly. So choosing an ishta devata > to recommend to someone is probably the most > important choice a Jyotishi makes. > > I cannot believe that thumbrules and formulas are > sufficient in such a sublime task. I believe that > only an astrologer who is pure from within and in > touch with his/her own ishta devata can give perfect > guidance in a sublime matter such as this. Of > course, a wrong suggestion is not disastrous. > Worship of any deity will only lead one in the right > direction. But a perfect guidance can save one a lot > of time. > > We have various planets associated with various > deities, as given in various classics. While many > Hindu masters recognize the supreme divinity as > nirguna (attribute-less), all manifestations that we > can pray to have various gunas (attributes). As > planets too represent various attributes, we map > planets to devatas. However, there are millions of > deities in Hinduism, each representing a different > combination of attributes. How can we pick the right > deity based just on 9 planets? > > The same god sometimes has many different forms, > with different attributes. For example, take > Ganesha. There are different forms of Ganesha - > Mohana Ganapathi, Uchchishta Ganapathi, Raaja > Ganapathi, Siddhi Ganapathi etc. Obviously, each has > different attributes. Can the same planet or planet > combination capture all? > > One can even imagine Ganapthi not as just an > obstacle remover, but as the one who is close to > Brahman and almost attribute-less. "Ganapathyatharva > Seersham" is a prayer to such a form of Ganesha who > is lauded to create, sustain and destroy this > universe. Isn't such a subtle form of Ganesha > grossly different from the standard form we imagine? > Can the same planetary combinations capture it? > > In fact, such a subtle form that is close to > formlessness exists for various deities. If Venus > shows Lakshmi, does the same Venus show Adyaadi Sri > Mahalakshmi, from whom the entire creation - > including Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - is said to have > come in the sapta shati rahasyam? > > With due respect, I feel that our current > understanding of Jyotish is not sufficient and not > reliable in coming up with the perfect > recommendation for a deity worship for making > progress towards moksha. That is why I humbly > suggest to fellow Jyotishis that sadhana (personal > internal practice of whatever spiritual path one > chooses) is essential. Only one whose internal light > is pure can guide others correctly. > > Making correct predictions of marriage, job offer, > child birth etc is excellent. No doubt. But, if one > changes somebody's life by directing one towards the > correct form of divinity, there is nothing like it! > > Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of > the 12th house from AK in navamsa and to take the > lord only if the house is empty, you can never be > sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To > me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his > ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The > 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq > with Mercury and Saturn dominates. Saturn in > moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up > dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced > everything that there was to be experienced in this > universe and transcended every experience. He is a > sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not > have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an > astrologer suggested him Kaali worship when he was > young, he did a great job! > > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? > Should it be Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or > Taarana Kaali or some other form? > > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and > the formulas don't work always. Mastering the > implications of astrological combinations is > difficult and understanding the nature of millions > of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot > rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. > There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and > surrendering to one's ishta devata. Then only one > will be able to impact the lives of others in a > positive way. > > Ok, there I end my 2 cents of freewheeling thoughts. > Good night! > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Paul, > > > > For Istadevata take the > > strongest planet - if any, in > > 12H from AK in D9. If there is > > no planet, take the lord of > > 12H from AK > > > > Best wishes > > > > jk > > > > > > sohamsa > > [sohamsa > > m]On Behalf Of paul_timecharts > > Thursday, June 01, 2006 > > 5:42 PM > > sohamsa > > > > Spirituality > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > I have a chap here who wishes > > to know his Ishta Devata. The > > problem > > is I have not been taught what > > to do if there is no direct > > connection > > between AK (Karakamsha) and > > Istha Devata (Jivanmuktamsha). > > > > AK Shukra in Tula (D9) with > > Mangala, Budha and Ketu in > > Virgo. No > > rashi drshti connects the two > > 'grahas'. > > > > Only thing I thought was > > lagnamsa Vrscika has two > > lords, one with the > > AK, the other with the Ishta. > > Could not this Mangala/Ketu > > indicate > > Deity or would we advise > > Vishnu, even though no > > connection? > > > > All the best, > > Paul > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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