RE: Translation of the passage from Naradiya Puranam on Gems

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Richard,

Namaste

 

The passages leading up to the quoted lines do NOT only relate to Venus and

Jupiter, but all the planets in gocara except for Rahu (and Ketu). But later in

the slokas, the gist of it.

In jyotish, malefics/evil planets described here are to be taken as Mars,

Saturn, Rahu etc.

I will accept in the case of vivaha prsna, the concentration is on Venus and

Jupiter (from slokas 394.5 onwards), but NOT in the case of gorcara as we all

well know that there are 9 (go) cara (movements). The discussions given here are

based on the vedha caused, whether good or bad.

 

You can see from sloka 271, it began with gocara of Sun, then Moon, Mars ( have

skipped the rest). The passages are provided below for your perusal should

suffice.

 

shrI nAradiya purANam;

purva bhagam

ShaTpa~ncaashattamo.adhyaayaH (Chapter 56)

 

shubhor.ake janmatastryAyadashaShaTsu munIshvara|

navapa~ncAMburiShphasthairvyarkibhirvidhyate na cet||56.271||

shubho janmarkShatashcandro dyUnANgAyArisvatriShu|

yatheShTAntyAMbudharmasthaivibudhairvidhyate na cet||56.272||

tryAyAriShu kujaH shreShTho janmanA cenna vidhyate|

vyayeShvaNkasthitaiH saurisaumyasUryaiH shubhauShadhAt||56.273||

 

etc.,

 

na dadAti shubhaM ki~ncidgocare vedhasaMyute|

tasmAdvedhaM vicAryAtha kathanIyaM shubhAshubham||56.277||

vAmabhedavidhAnena duSTo.api syAcchubhaNkaraH|

saumyekShito.aniShTaphalaH shubhadaH pApavIkShitaH||56.278||

niShphalau tau grahau svena shatruNA ca vilokitau|

nIcarAshigataH svasya shatroH kShetragato.api vA||56.279||

shubhAshubhaphalaM naiva dadyAdastamitopi vA|

graheShu viShamastheAu shAntiM kuryAtprayatnataH||56.280||

hAnirvR^iddhirgrahAdhInA tasmAtpUjyatamA grahAḥ|

maNirmuktAphalaM vidrumAkhyaM maraka taM tathA||56.281||

puShparAgaM tathA vajraM nIlaM gomedasaMj~nitam|

dUryyaM bhAskarAdInAM tuShTya dhAryaM yathAkramam||56.282||

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

Richard Shaw Brown [rsbj66]

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:05 PM

Swee Chan; satyavratshastri

Cc: Sanjay Rath; sacred-objects;

planetary-gemology; ;

vedic astrology;

-;

 

FW: Translation of the passage from Naradiya Puranam on Gems

 

Dear Swee,

 

Namaste.

 

Prof Dr. Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, a Sanskrit legend living in

Delhi, is the most highly decorated Sanskrit scholar now alive on

Mother Earth. I’m sure Pt. Sanjay must know his fame. Sanskrit doesn't

get higher or more renowned than Prof. Satya Vrat Shastri (presently

Honorary Professor, Special Centre for Sanskrit Studies, Jawaharlal

Nehru University, New Delhi).

 

He has translated the verse. It reads quite differently from your

translation (below).

 

What do you think? How to settle the disparity in translations? Surely

you don’t expect to match wits with India's Prof. Dr. Satya Vrat

Shastri? http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net <---REF.

 

Hope this meets you in good spirits!!!

 

Best regards,

Richard

 

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"satyavratshastri" <satyavratshastri

Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:44:49 +0530

"RICHARD SHAW-BROWN" <rsb

Translation of the passage

 

Dear Sri Hrisikesananda das Ji,

Many thanks for your kind e-mail. I have checked the verses from the

Naradiya Mahapurana which I have.

The verses occur there in the context of the planets Guru and Shukra.

 

The translation :

The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is

eclipsed.

The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate

them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit

(viparita-phala).

For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby

for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars, Emerald for Mercury, Yellow

Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn,

Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu.

 

I am afraid, the text as it is, does not support our theory of

strengthening the Anukula Grahas to ward off or mitigate evil. The line

'santim kuryat prayatnatah' is crucial here. This is immediately

followed by the indication of the stones for particular Grahas. This is

what is the 'santi' meant here.

 

With love to Jiva, Champakalata and your noble self,

I remain,

Affectionately Yours,

Satya Vrat Shastri

 

 

 

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Dear Swee,

 

Namaste!!!

 

Very interesting!!! I'm glad you sent the reply below, specially to

Prof Shastriji. I look forward to his reply. I'll ask him to please

reply to all the recepients as well. I sincerely hope we can establish

"anukula-vad" with this verse. That would be great!!!

 

Best rgds,

Richard

 

--- Swee Chan <swee wrote:

 

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Richard,

> Namaste

>

> The passages leading up to the quoted lines do NOT only relate to

> Venus and Jupiter, but all the planets in gocara except for Rahu (and

> Ketu). But later in the slokas, the gist of it.

> In jyotish, malefics/evil planets described here are to be taken as

> Mars, Saturn, Rahu etc.

> I will accept in the case of vivaha prsna, the concentration is on

> Venus and Jupiter (from slokas 394.5 onwards), but NOT in the case of

> gorcara as we all well know that there are 9 (go) cara (movements).

> The discussions given here are based on the vedha caused, whether

> good or bad.

>

> You can see from sloka 271, it began with gocara of Sun, then Moon,

> Mars ( have skipped the rest). The passages are provided below for

> your perusal should suffice.

>

> shrI nAradiya purANam;

> purva bhagam

> ShaTpa~ncaashattamo.adhyaayaH (Chapter 56)

>

> shubhor.ake janmatastryAyadashaShaTsu munIshvara|

> navapa~ncAMburiShphasthairvyarkibhirvidhyate na cet||56.271||

> shubho janmarkShatashcandro dyUnANgAyArisvatriShu|

> yatheShTAntyAMbudharmasthaivibudhairvidhyate na cet||56.272||

> tryAyAriShu kujaH shreShTho janmanA cenna vidhyate|

> vyayeShvaNkasthitaiH saurisaumyasUryaiH shubhauShadhAt||56.273||

>

> etc.,

>

> na dadAti shubhaM ki~ncidgocare vedhasaMyute|

> tasmAdvedhaM vicAryAtha kathanIyaM shubhAshubham||56.277||

> vAmabhedavidhAnena duSTo.api syAcchubhaNkaraH|

> saumyekShito.aniShTaphalaH shubhadaH pApavIkShitaH||56.278||

> niShphalau tau grahau svena shatruNA ca vilokitau|

> nIcarAshigataH svasya shatroH kShetragato.api vA||56.279||

> shubhAshubhaphalaM naiva dadyAdastamitopi vA|

> graheShu viShamastheAu shAntiM kuryAtprayatnataH||56.280||

> hAnirvR^iddhirgrahAdhInA tasmAtpUjyatamA grahAḥ|

> maNirmuktAphalaM vidrumAkhyaM maraka taM tathA||56.281||

> puShparAgaM tathA vajraM nIlaM gomedasaMj~nitam|

> dUryyaM bhAskarAdInAM tuShTya dhAryaM yathAkramam||56.282||

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> Richard Shaw Brown [rsbj66]

> Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:05 PM

> Swee Chan; satyavratshastri

> Cc: Sanjay Rath; sacred-objects;

> planetary-gemology; ;

> vedic astrology;

> -;

>

> FW: Translation of the passage from Naradiya Puranam on Gems

>

> Dear Swee,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Prof Dr. Satya Vrat Shastri, Padma Shri, a Sanskrit legend living in

> Delhi, is the most highly decorated Sanskrit scholar now alive on

> Mother Earth. I’m sure Pt. Sanjay must know his fame. Sanskrit

> doesn't

> get higher or more renowned than Prof. Satya Vrat Shastri (presently

> Honorary Professor, Special Centre for Sanskrit Studies, Jawaharlal

> Nehru University, New Delhi).

>

> He has translated the verse. It reads quite differently from your

> translation (below).

>

> What do you think? How to settle the disparity in translations?

> Surely

> you don’t expect to match wits with India's Prof. Dr. Satya Vrat

> Shastri? http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net <---REF.

>

> Hope this meets you in good spirits!!!

>

> Best regards,

> Richard

>

> ------ Forwarded Message

> "satyavratshastri" <satyavratshastri

> Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:44:49 +0530

> "RICHARD SHAW-BROWN" <rsb

> Translation of the passage

>

> Dear Sri Hrisikesananda das Ji,

> Many thanks for your kind e-mail. I have checked the verses from the

> Naradiya Mahapurana which I have.

> The verses occur there in the context of the planets Guru and Shukra.

>

>

> The translation :

> The planet will not yield any kind of fruit, good or bad when it is

> eclipsed.

> The loss and gain depends upon the planets. Hence one should placate

> them with effort when they (start) giving untoward fruit

> (viparita-phala).

> For placating the sun and others one should wear in the order of ruby

> for Sun, pearl for Moon, Coral for Mars, Emerald for Mercury,

> Yellow

> Sapphire for Jupiter, Diamond for Venus, Blue Sapphire for Saturn,

> Gomeda for Rahu and Cat's Eye Gem for Ketu.

>

> I am afraid, the text as it is, does not support our theory of

> strengthening the Anukula Grahas to ward off or mitigate evil. The

> line

> 'santim kuryat prayatnatah' is crucial here. This is immediately

> followed by the indication of the stones for particular Grahas. This

> is

> what is the 'santi' meant here.

>

> With love to Jiva, Champakalata and your noble self,

> I remain,

> Affectionately Yours,

> Satya Vrat Shastri

>

>

>

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