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Hi

 

Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th. More

specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is Guru.

What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has

kenrdapatya dosha

 

Please refer the following details

 

DOB - 20.08.1974

TOB - 1.20 am

Place of Birth - New Delhi

Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani

2nd - venus

3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust)

4th - Moon

5th -

6th - Rahu

7th -

8th -

9th - Guru®

10th - mandi

11th -

12th - Ketu

 

Regards

Vivek

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Hi Vivek,

 

There can't be a better placement for Ju, given the lordship. To my

mind, this scores over Pisces placement of the planet.

 

No planet fails to benfit from this hse, namely the 9th. But I

reckon, no other planet could have benefited by way of tenacy here as

much as Ju does. You know it. First, Ju aspects lagna, the summation

of everything, and the final phaladatru linkage of the

dharmakarmaadhipati yoga. In this chart it aspects (providing the orb

of influence applies) the dharmadhipati. The dharmakarmadhipati yoga

is not the smabandha of exchange, but ekaitara smbandha. In this

chart even a tad more than ekaitara, because it aspects Sat (9th

lord) and Sat aspects 10th. In this chart this yoga is very close to

the dharmakarmadhipati yoga of the first order. He aspects 5th hse,

the seat of 'dhee', the mirror hse of 9th. Being at a slant, he (this

10th lord) would not like obstreperous power. But the authority and

respectability of a finer kind.

 

In short, the lord of the mightiest kendra in mightiest kona. Add to

that Ju's magnitude and his benefic-ness.

 

But, Vivek, this throws up the classic case of quandary as we chase

logic. Is he not generating the strongest of kendradhipati dosha? Is

he not the 7th lord? And then, you have karakobhavanashaya, the

significator spoiling the hse, the 9th. And how about this? Is he not

12th from 9th?

 

Where our mettle as astrologists (I am not an astrolger, who of

course has the benefit of testing his tools, the givens)is tested.

 

Shree Sreenadh, are you reading, sir?

 

How about tiering the rules (the 9th-ness from lagna overrides the

12th-ness from 10th)?

 

Now the sign, Aq. I read an online article which weaves a nice li'l

theory of why planets attain exaltation where they do. It argued, as

in Capricorn, the servant (Sat) quarters, Ju in Aquarius is in

detriment. Varahmihira's words about Cancer-like status to Aq w.r.t.

Ju came to my mind. How is Ju placed in the sign Aq? Is it in fall or

is exalted (near-exalted)?

 

Can we agree on one of these views re sign, eg, and unequivocally?

 

Best,

RK Dash

 

vedic astrology, "vivekn74" <vivekn74

wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th. More

> specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is Guru.

> What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has

> kenrdapatya dosha

>

> Please refer the following details

>

> DOB - 20.08.1974

> TOB - 1.20 am

> Place of Birth - New Delhi

> Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani

> 2nd - venus

> 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust)

> 4th - Moon

> 5th -

> 6th - Rahu

> 7th -

> 8th -

> 9th - Guru®

> 10th - mandi

> 11th -

> 12th - Ketu

>

> Regards

> Vivek

>

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Dear RK Dash ji,

At times you demand response. ;)

I don't want to fall into the flow of this worthy discussion, that

you and Vivek is doing. But some points [sh...I am not into

arguments. It is just for RK Dash ji. ;)] -

1. Kendradhipathya Dosha should be considered only while calculating

Desa-Anthardesa for death, i.e. Desa based longevity determination.

2. Karaka Bhava nasaka is a principle that does not find support not

even by Varaha Mihira.

Third and the most important point-

3. Instead of giving importance to the general rules like

Kendradhipathi in Kona, or 9th lord in Dusthana or the like, try to

understand specific prediction that should be given to each.

For eg think that:

For Aris Asc 9th lord Ju is in 12th.

Give predictions for,

a) Ju placed in Scorpio. (Sthana phala)

b) 9th lord placed in 8th [specifically 8th don't consider the

general statement Dustana ;) ] (Bhava phala)

c) Ju in 8th in Scorpio (Sthana-Bhava-Graha phala)

It is just for you. No more explanation. ;) Explore!!! [And please

don't ask any doubt based on the above ;) ]

To others:

----------

Don't try to drag me into a debate on the above points. ;) I am out

of it. It was just for RK Dash ji.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash

wrote:

>

> Hi Vivek,

>

> There can't be a better placement for Ju, given the lordship. To my

> mind, this scores over Pisces placement of the planet.

>

> No planet fails to benfit from this hse, namely the 9th. But I

> reckon, no other planet could have benefited by way of tenacy here

as

> much as Ju does. You know it. First, Ju aspects lagna, the

summation

> of everything, and the final phaladatru linkage of the

> dharmakarmaadhipati yoga. In this chart it aspects (providing the

orb

> of influence applies) the dharmadhipati. The dharmakarmadhipati

yoga

> is not the smabandha of exchange, but ekaitara smbandha. In this

> chart even a tad more than ekaitara, because it aspects Sat (9th

> lord) and Sat aspects 10th. In this chart this yoga is very close

to

> the dharmakarmadhipati yoga of the first order. He aspects 5th hse,

> the seat of 'dhee', the mirror hse of 9th. Being at a slant, he

(this

> 10th lord) would not like obstreperous power. But the authority and

> respectability of a finer kind.

>

> In short, the lord of the mightiest kendra in mightiest kona. Add

to

> that Ju's magnitude and his benefic-ness.

>

> But, Vivek, this throws up the classic case of quandary as we chase

> logic. Is he not generating the strongest of kendradhipati dosha?

Is

> he not the 7th lord? And then, you have karakobhavanashaya, the

> significator spoiling the hse, the 9th. And how about this? Is he

not

> 12th from 9th?

>

> Where our mettle as astrologists (I am not an astrolger, who of

> course has the benefit of testing his tools, the givens)is tested.

>

> Shree Sreenadh, are you reading, sir?

>

> How about tiering the rules (the 9th-ness from lagna overrides the

> 12th-ness from 10th)?

>

> Now the sign, Aq. I read an online article which weaves a nice

li'l

> theory of why planets attain exaltation where they do. It argued,

as

> in Capricorn, the servant (Sat) quarters, Ju in Aquarius is in

> detriment. Varahmihira's words about Cancer-like status to Aq

w.r.t.

> Ju came to my mind. How is Ju placed in the sign Aq? Is it in fall

or

> is exalted (near-exalted)?

>

> Can we agree on one of these views re sign, eg, and unequivocally?

>

> Best,

> RK Dash

>

> vedic astrology, "vivekn74" <vivekn74@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th.

More

> > specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is

Guru.

> > What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has

> > kenrdapatya dosha

> >

> > Please refer the following details

> >

> > DOB - 20.08.1974

> > TOB - 1.20 am

> > Place of Birth - New Delhi

> > Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani

> > 2nd - venus

> > 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust)

> > 4th - Moon

> > 5th -

> > 6th - Rahu

> > 7th -

> > 8th -

> > 9th - Guru®

> > 10th - mandi

> > 11th -

> > 12th - Ketu

> >

> > Regards

> > Vivek

> >

>

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Shreenadhji,

 

I don't have to demand. I can winkle it out of you. I mean, you at

least, given your spirit of free inquiry and praiseworthy geniality.

 

But, sir, Vivek wrote this: "Can you please tell me the impact of 7th

and 10th lord in 9th. More specifically for Gemini Ascendent where

7th and 10th lord is Guru. What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde

too.Also Guru has kenrdapatya dosha"

 

I took up the instance of 10th lord, being Ju, in a Gemini lagna

chart. I dared not touch the generic lagna issue (Aries). My

considerations were of three main points -- lord, a specific planet,

and a specific hse of tanancy. I didn't even venture to include

aspects of such a placement. Kendradhipatya dosh is Vivek's mention.

One is generally aware of the exact relevance of kendradhipatya

dosha, but we need to clear the air from time to time, as one is

exposed to a great deal of junk astrology these days. The faint

efforts, call it selfish, here are meant to foster the eventual

development of a robust rubric for our times. If we can provoke some

star-skimming in the brains wedded to this forum (u r one them), then

let us keep doing such a thing. That is of a seminal nature, as far

as my kind of aspiration at this forum is concerned. [Now can I not

winkle out more forthcoming secret-sharing from your end, sir? Wot

say? :)

 

Your presence is reassuring.

 

Thank u for setting right one of the misconceived things, I mean

kendradhipatya dosha. Which brings me to a more fundamental curiosity

I have been trying to satisfy but to no avail. Namely, why does a

natural benefic acquire this dosha?

 

Demandingly yours :)

RK Dash

With warm regards

 

PS: We might take up the retrogression issue in Viviekl's query

later.

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid

wrote:

>

> Dear RK Dash ji,

> At times you demand response. ;)

> I don't want to fall into the flow of this worthy discussion, that

> you and Vivek is doing. But some points [sh...I am not into

> arguments. It is just for RK Dash ji. ;)] -

> 1. Kendradhipathya Dosha should be considered only while

calculating

> Desa-Anthardesa for death, i.e. Desa based longevity determination.

> 2. Karaka Bhava nasaka is a principle that does not find support

not

> even by Varaha Mihira.

> Third and the most important point-

> 3. Instead of giving importance to the general rules like

> Kendradhipathi in Kona, or 9th lord in Dusthana or the like, try to

> understand specific prediction that should be given to each.

> For eg think that:

> For Aris Asc 9th lord Ju is in 12th.

> Give predictions for,

> a) Ju placed in Scorpio. (Sthana phala)

> b) 9th lord placed in 8th [specifically 8th don't consider the

> general statement Dustana ;) ] (Bhava phala)

> c) Ju in 8th in Scorpio (Sthana-Bhava-Graha phala)

> It is just for you. No more explanation. ;) Explore!!! [And please

> don't ask any doubt based on the above ;) ]

> To others:

> ----------

> Don't try to drag me into a debate on the above points. ;) I am

out

> of it. It was just for RK Dash ji.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Vivek,

> >

> > There can't be a better placement for Ju, given the lordship. To

my

> > mind, this scores over Pisces placement of the planet.

> >

> > No planet fails to benfit from this hse, namely the 9th. But I

> > reckon, no other planet could have benefited by way of tenacy

here

> as

> > much as Ju does. You know it. First, Ju aspects lagna, the

> summation

> > of everything, and the final phaladatru linkage of the

> > dharmakarmaadhipati yoga. In this chart it aspects (providing the

> orb

> > of influence applies) the dharmadhipati. The dharmakarmadhipati

> yoga

> > is not the smabandha of exchange, but ekaitara smbandha. In this

> > chart even a tad more than ekaitara, because it aspects Sat (9th

> > lord) and Sat aspects 10th. In this chart this yoga is very close

> to

> > the dharmakarmadhipati yoga of the first order. He aspects 5th

hse,

> > the seat of 'dhee', the mirror hse of 9th. Being at a slant, he

> (this

> > 10th lord) would not like obstreperous power. But the authority

and

> > respectability of a finer kind.

> >

> > In short, the lord of the mightiest kendra in mightiest kona. Add

> to

> > that Ju's magnitude and his benefic-ness.

> >

> > But, Vivek, this throws up the classic case of quandary as we

chase

> > logic. Is he not generating the strongest of kendradhipati dosha?

> Is

> > he not the 7th lord? And then, you have karakobhavanashaya, the

> > significator spoiling the hse, the 9th. And how about this? Is he

> not

> > 12th from 9th?

> >

> > Where our mettle as astrologists (I am not an astrolger, who of

> > course has the benefit of testing his tools, the givens)is

tested.

> >

> > Shree Sreenadh, are you reading, sir?

> >

> > How about tiering the rules (the 9th-ness from lagna overrides

the

> > 12th-ness from 10th)?

> >

> > Now the sign, Aq. I read an online article which weaves a nice

> li'l

> > theory of why planets attain exaltation where they do. It argued,

> as

> > in Capricorn, the servant (Sat) quarters, Ju in Aquarius is in

> > detriment. Varahmihira's words about Cancer-like status to Aq

> w.r.t.

> > Ju came to my mind. How is Ju placed in the sign Aq? Is it in

fall

> or

> > is exalted (near-exalted)?

> >

> > Can we agree on one of these views re sign, eg, and

unequivocally?

> >

> > Best,

> > RK Dash

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vivekn74" <vivekn74@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th.

> More

> > > specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is

> Guru.

> > > What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has

> > > kenrdapatya dosha

> > >

> > > Please refer the following details

> > >

> > > DOB - 20.08.1974

> > > TOB - 1.20 am

> > > Place of Birth - New Delhi

> > > Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani

> > > 2nd - venus

> > > 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust)

> > > 4th - Moon

> > > 5th -

> > > 6th - Rahu

> > > 7th -

> > > 8th -

> > > 9th - Guru®

> > > 10th - mandi

> > > 11th -

> > > 12th - Ketu

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Vivek

> > >

> >

>

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Dear RK Dash ji,

You are right. :) I am always forced to answer your questions. :)

You said:

> One is generally aware of the exact relevance of kendradhipatya

> dosha, but we need to clear the air from time to time, as one is

> exposed to a great deal of junk astrology these days. The faint

> efforts, call it selfish, here are meant to foster the eventual

> development of a robust rubric for our times.

> If we can provoke some

> star-skimming in the brains wedded to this forum,

> then let us keep doing such a thing. That is of a seminal nature,

> as far as my kind of aspiration at this forum is concerned.

Yes, of course I agree. ;)

About Kendradhipathya Dosha you asks:

> why does a

> natural benefic acquire this dosha?

Due to "Marakathvepi cha thayor maraka sthana samsthithi" :) The

point is, when a natural benefic has the ownership of a maraka sthana

it can do biggest harm (as far as death desa-bhukthi period is

concerned). Since being the jeeva karaka, Ju is the planet that can

give worst results due to Kendradhipathya dosha. Also remember that

the results given by the Kendradhipathis come into effect easily than

that by Trikonadhipathis, Dusthanadhipathis etc. :) There could be

other aspects as well. :) May be Dakshnamoorthi ji could shed more

light on the subject.

It is just the pointer, Explore!!! ;)

Love,

Sreenadh

 

vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash

wrote:

>

> Shreenadhji,

>

> I don't have to demand. I can winkle it out of you. I mean, you at

> least, given your spirit of free inquiry and praiseworthy

geniality.

>

> But, sir, Vivek wrote this: "Can you please tell me the impact of

7th

> and 10th lord in 9th. More specifically for Gemini Ascendent where

> 7th and 10th lord is Guru. What happens if the Jupiter is

retrograde

> too.Also Guru has kenrdapatya dosha"

>

> I took up the instance of 10th lord, being Ju, in a Gemini lagna

> chart. I dared not touch the generic lagna issue (Aries). My

> considerations were of three main points -- lord, a specific

planet,

> and a specific hse of tanancy. I didn't even venture to include

> aspects of such a placement. Kendradhipatya dosh is Vivek's

mention.

> One is generally aware of the exact relevance of kendradhipatya

> dosha, but we need to clear the air from time to time, as one is

> exposed to a great deal of junk astrology these days. The faint

> efforts, call it selfish, here are meant to foster the eventual

> development of a robust rubric for our times. If we can provoke

some

> star-skimming in the brains wedded to this forum (u r one them),

then

> let us keep doing such a thing. That is of a seminal nature, as far

> as my kind of aspiration at this forum is concerned. [Now can I not

> winkle out more forthcoming secret-sharing from your end, sir? Wot

> say? :)

>

> Your presence is reassuring.

>

> Thank u for setting right one of the misconceived things, I mean

> kendradhipatya dosha. Which brings me to a more fundamental

curiosity

> I have been trying to satisfy but to no avail. Namely, why does a

> natural benefic acquire this dosha?

>

> Demandingly yours :)

> RK Dash

> With warm regards

>

> PS: We might take up the retrogression issue in Viviekl's query

> later.

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear RK Dash ji,

> > At times you demand response. ;)

> > I don't want to fall into the flow of this worthy discussion,

that

> > you and Vivek is doing. But some points [sh...I am not into

> > arguments. It is just for RK Dash ji. ;)] -

> > 1. Kendradhipathya Dosha should be considered only while

> calculating

> > Desa-Anthardesa for death, i.e. Desa based longevity

determination.

> > 2. Karaka Bhava nasaka is a principle that does not find support

> not

> > even by Varaha Mihira.

> > Third and the most important point-

> > 3. Instead of giving importance to the general rules like

> > Kendradhipathi in Kona, or 9th lord in Dusthana or the like, try

to

> > understand specific prediction that should be given to each.

> > For eg think that:

> > For Aris Asc 9th lord Ju is in 12th.

> > Give predictions for,

> > a) Ju placed in Scorpio. (Sthana phala)

> > b) 9th lord placed in 8th [specifically 8th don't consider the

> > general statement Dustana ;) ] (Bhava phala)

> > c) Ju in 8th in Scorpio (Sthana-Bhava-Graha phala)

> > It is just for you. No more explanation. ;) Explore!!! [And

please

> > don't ask any doubt based on the above ;) ]

> > To others:

> > ----------

> > Don't try to drag me into a debate on the above points. ;) I am

> out

> > of it. It was just for RK Dash ji.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Vivek,

> > >

> > > There can't be a better placement for Ju, given the lordship.

To

> my

> > > mind, this scores over Pisces placement of the planet.

> > >

> > > No planet fails to benfit from this hse, namely the 9th. But I

> > > reckon, no other planet could have benefited by way of tenacy

> here

> > as

> > > much as Ju does. You know it. First, Ju aspects lagna, the

> > summation

> > > of everything, and the final phaladatru linkage of the

> > > dharmakarmaadhipati yoga. In this chart it aspects (providing

the

> > orb

> > > of influence applies) the dharmadhipati. The dharmakarmadhipati

> > yoga

> > > is not the smabandha of exchange, but ekaitara smbandha. In

this

> > > chart even a tad more than ekaitara, because it aspects Sat

(9th

> > > lord) and Sat aspects 10th. In this chart this yoga is very

close

> > to

> > > the dharmakarmadhipati yoga of the first order. He aspects 5th

> hse,

> > > the seat of 'dhee', the mirror hse of 9th. Being at a slant, he

> > (this

> > > 10th lord) would not like obstreperous power. But the authority

> and

> > > respectability of a finer kind.

> > >

> > > In short, the lord of the mightiest kendra in mightiest kona.

Add

> > to

> > > that Ju's magnitude and his benefic-ness.

> > >

> > > But, Vivek, this throws up the classic case of quandary as we

> chase

> > > logic. Is he not generating the strongest of kendradhipati

dosha?

> > Is

> > > he not the 7th lord? And then, you have karakobhavanashaya, the

> > > significator spoiling the hse, the 9th. And how about this? Is

he

> > not

> > > 12th from 9th?

> > >

> > > Where our mettle as astrologists (I am not an astrolger, who of

> > > course has the benefit of testing his tools, the givens)is

> tested.

> > >

> > > Shree Sreenadh, are you reading, sir?

> > >

> > > How about tiering the rules (the 9th-ness from lagna overrides

> the

> > > 12th-ness from 10th)?

> > >

> > > Now the sign, Aq. I read an online article which weaves a nice

> > li'l

> > > theory of why planets attain exaltation where they do. It

argued,

> > as

> > > in Capricorn, the servant (Sat) quarters, Ju in Aquarius is in

> > > detriment. Varahmihira's words about Cancer-like status to Aq

> > w.r.t.

> > > Ju came to my mind. How is Ju placed in the sign Aq? Is it in

> fall

> > or

> > > is exalted (near-exalted)?

> > >

> > > Can we agree on one of these views re sign, eg, and

> unequivocally?

> > >

> > > Best,

> > > RK Dash

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vivekn74" <vivekn74@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi

> > > >

> > > > Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in

9th.

> > More

> > > > specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is

> > Guru.

> > > > What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has

> > > > kenrdapatya dosha

> > > >

> > > > Please refer the following details

> > > >

> > > > DOB - 20.08.1974

> > > > TOB - 1.20 am

> > > > Place of Birth - New Delhi

> > > > Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani

> > > > 2nd - venus

> > > > 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust)

> > > > 4th - Moon

> > > > 5th -

> > > > 6th - Rahu

> > > > 7th -

> > > > 8th -

> > > > 9th - Guru®

> > > > 10th - mandi

> > > > 11th -

> > > > 12th - Ketu

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Vivek

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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