Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Hi Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th. More specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is Guru. What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has kenrdapatya dosha Please refer the following details DOB - 20.08.1974 TOB - 1.20 am Place of Birth - New Delhi Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani 2nd - venus 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust) 4th - Moon 5th - 6th - Rahu 7th - 8th - 9th - Guru® 10th - mandi 11th - 12th - Ketu Regards Vivek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Hi Vivek, There can't be a better placement for Ju, given the lordship. To my mind, this scores over Pisces placement of the planet. No planet fails to benfit from this hse, namely the 9th. But I reckon, no other planet could have benefited by way of tenacy here as much as Ju does. You know it. First, Ju aspects lagna, the summation of everything, and the final phaladatru linkage of the dharmakarmaadhipati yoga. In this chart it aspects (providing the orb of influence applies) the dharmadhipati. The dharmakarmadhipati yoga is not the smabandha of exchange, but ekaitara smbandha. In this chart even a tad more than ekaitara, because it aspects Sat (9th lord) and Sat aspects 10th. In this chart this yoga is very close to the dharmakarmadhipati yoga of the first order. He aspects 5th hse, the seat of 'dhee', the mirror hse of 9th. Being at a slant, he (this 10th lord) would not like obstreperous power. But the authority and respectability of a finer kind. In short, the lord of the mightiest kendra in mightiest kona. Add to that Ju's magnitude and his benefic-ness. But, Vivek, this throws up the classic case of quandary as we chase logic. Is he not generating the strongest of kendradhipati dosha? Is he not the 7th lord? And then, you have karakobhavanashaya, the significator spoiling the hse, the 9th. And how about this? Is he not 12th from 9th? Where our mettle as astrologists (I am not an astrolger, who of course has the benefit of testing his tools, the givens)is tested. Shree Sreenadh, are you reading, sir? How about tiering the rules (the 9th-ness from lagna overrides the 12th-ness from 10th)? Now the sign, Aq. I read an online article which weaves a nice li'l theory of why planets attain exaltation where they do. It argued, as in Capricorn, the servant (Sat) quarters, Ju in Aquarius is in detriment. Varahmihira's words about Cancer-like status to Aq w.r.t. Ju came to my mind. How is Ju placed in the sign Aq? Is it in fall or is exalted (near-exalted)? Can we agree on one of these views re sign, eg, and unequivocally? Best, RK Dash vedic astrology, "vivekn74" <vivekn74 wrote: > > Hi > > Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th. More > specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is Guru. > What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has > kenrdapatya dosha > > Please refer the following details > > DOB - 20.08.1974 > TOB - 1.20 am > Place of Birth - New Delhi > Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani > 2nd - venus > 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust) > 4th - Moon > 5th - > 6th - Rahu > 7th - > 8th - > 9th - Guru® > 10th - mandi > 11th - > 12th - Ketu > > Regards > Vivek > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dear RK Dash ji, At times you demand response. I don't want to fall into the flow of this worthy discussion, that you and Vivek is doing. But some points [sh...I am not into arguments. It is just for RK Dash ji. ] - 1. Kendradhipathya Dosha should be considered only while calculating Desa-Anthardesa for death, i.e. Desa based longevity determination. 2. Karaka Bhava nasaka is a principle that does not find support not even by Varaha Mihira. Third and the most important point- 3. Instead of giving importance to the general rules like Kendradhipathi in Kona, or 9th lord in Dusthana or the like, try to understand specific prediction that should be given to each. For eg think that: For Aris Asc 9th lord Ju is in 12th. Give predictions for, a) Ju placed in Scorpio. (Sthana phala) b) 9th lord placed in 8th [specifically 8th don't consider the general statement Dustana ] (Bhava phala) c) Ju in 8th in Scorpio (Sthana-Bhava-Graha phala) It is just for you. No more explanation. Explore!!! [And please don't ask any doubt based on the above ] To others: ---------- Don't try to drag me into a debate on the above points. I am out of it. It was just for RK Dash ji. Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash wrote: > > Hi Vivek, > > There can't be a better placement for Ju, given the lordship. To my > mind, this scores over Pisces placement of the planet. > > No planet fails to benfit from this hse, namely the 9th. But I > reckon, no other planet could have benefited by way of tenacy here as > much as Ju does. You know it. First, Ju aspects lagna, the summation > of everything, and the final phaladatru linkage of the > dharmakarmaadhipati yoga. In this chart it aspects (providing the orb > of influence applies) the dharmadhipati. The dharmakarmadhipati yoga > is not the smabandha of exchange, but ekaitara smbandha. In this > chart even a tad more than ekaitara, because it aspects Sat (9th > lord) and Sat aspects 10th. In this chart this yoga is very close to > the dharmakarmadhipati yoga of the first order. He aspects 5th hse, > the seat of 'dhee', the mirror hse of 9th. Being at a slant, he (this > 10th lord) would not like obstreperous power. But the authority and > respectability of a finer kind. > > In short, the lord of the mightiest kendra in mightiest kona. Add to > that Ju's magnitude and his benefic-ness. > > But, Vivek, this throws up the classic case of quandary as we chase > logic. Is he not generating the strongest of kendradhipati dosha? Is > he not the 7th lord? And then, you have karakobhavanashaya, the > significator spoiling the hse, the 9th. And how about this? Is he not > 12th from 9th? > > Where our mettle as astrologists (I am not an astrolger, who of > course has the benefit of testing his tools, the givens)is tested. > > Shree Sreenadh, are you reading, sir? > > How about tiering the rules (the 9th-ness from lagna overrides the > 12th-ness from 10th)? > > Now the sign, Aq. I read an online article which weaves a nice li'l > theory of why planets attain exaltation where they do. It argued, as > in Capricorn, the servant (Sat) quarters, Ju in Aquarius is in > detriment. Varahmihira's words about Cancer-like status to Aq w.r.t. > Ju came to my mind. How is Ju placed in the sign Aq? Is it in fall or > is exalted (near-exalted)? > > Can we agree on one of these views re sign, eg, and unequivocally? > > Best, > RK Dash > > vedic astrology, "vivekn74" <vivekn74@> > wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th. More > > specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is Guru. > > What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has > > kenrdapatya dosha > > > > Please refer the following details > > > > DOB - 20.08.1974 > > TOB - 1.20 am > > Place of Birth - New Delhi > > Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani > > 2nd - venus > > 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust) > > 4th - Moon > > 5th - > > 6th - Rahu > > 7th - > > 8th - > > 9th - Guru® > > 10th - mandi > > 11th - > > 12th - Ketu > > > > Regards > > Vivek > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Shreenadhji, I don't have to demand. I can winkle it out of you. I mean, you at least, given your spirit of free inquiry and praiseworthy geniality. But, sir, Vivek wrote this: "Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th. More specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is Guru. What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has kenrdapatya dosha" I took up the instance of 10th lord, being Ju, in a Gemini lagna chart. I dared not touch the generic lagna issue (Aries). My considerations were of three main points -- lord, a specific planet, and a specific hse of tanancy. I didn't even venture to include aspects of such a placement. Kendradhipatya dosh is Vivek's mention. One is generally aware of the exact relevance of kendradhipatya dosha, but we need to clear the air from time to time, as one is exposed to a great deal of junk astrology these days. The faint efforts, call it selfish, here are meant to foster the eventual development of a robust rubric for our times. If we can provoke some star-skimming in the brains wedded to this forum (u r one them), then let us keep doing such a thing. That is of a seminal nature, as far as my kind of aspiration at this forum is concerned. [Now can I not winkle out more forthcoming secret-sharing from your end, sir? Wot say? Your presence is reassuring. Thank u for setting right one of the misconceived things, I mean kendradhipatya dosha. Which brings me to a more fundamental curiosity I have been trying to satisfy but to no avail. Namely, why does a natural benefic acquire this dosha? Demandingly yours RK Dash With warm regards PS: We might take up the retrogression issue in Viviekl's query later. vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid wrote: > > Dear RK Dash ji, > At times you demand response. > I don't want to fall into the flow of this worthy discussion, that > you and Vivek is doing. But some points [sh...I am not into > arguments. It is just for RK Dash ji. ] - > 1. Kendradhipathya Dosha should be considered only while calculating > Desa-Anthardesa for death, i.e. Desa based longevity determination. > 2. Karaka Bhava nasaka is a principle that does not find support not > even by Varaha Mihira. > Third and the most important point- > 3. Instead of giving importance to the general rules like > Kendradhipathi in Kona, or 9th lord in Dusthana or the like, try to > understand specific prediction that should be given to each. > For eg think that: > For Aris Asc 9th lord Ju is in 12th. > Give predictions for, > a) Ju placed in Scorpio. (Sthana phala) > b) 9th lord placed in 8th [specifically 8th don't consider the > general statement Dustana ] (Bhava phala) > c) Ju in 8th in Scorpio (Sthana-Bhava-Graha phala) > It is just for you. No more explanation. Explore!!! [And please > don't ask any doubt based on the above ] > To others: > ---------- > Don't try to drag me into a debate on the above points. I am out > of it. It was just for RK Dash ji. > Love, > Sreenadh > > vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Vivek, > > > > There can't be a better placement for Ju, given the lordship. To my > > mind, this scores over Pisces placement of the planet. > > > > No planet fails to benfit from this hse, namely the 9th. But I > > reckon, no other planet could have benefited by way of tenacy here > as > > much as Ju does. You know it. First, Ju aspects lagna, the > summation > > of everything, and the final phaladatru linkage of the > > dharmakarmaadhipati yoga. In this chart it aspects (providing the > orb > > of influence applies) the dharmadhipati. The dharmakarmadhipati > yoga > > is not the smabandha of exchange, but ekaitara smbandha. In this > > chart even a tad more than ekaitara, because it aspects Sat (9th > > lord) and Sat aspects 10th. In this chart this yoga is very close > to > > the dharmakarmadhipati yoga of the first order. He aspects 5th hse, > > the seat of 'dhee', the mirror hse of 9th. Being at a slant, he > (this > > 10th lord) would not like obstreperous power. But the authority and > > respectability of a finer kind. > > > > In short, the lord of the mightiest kendra in mightiest kona. Add > to > > that Ju's magnitude and his benefic-ness. > > > > But, Vivek, this throws up the classic case of quandary as we chase > > logic. Is he not generating the strongest of kendradhipati dosha? > Is > > he not the 7th lord? And then, you have karakobhavanashaya, the > > significator spoiling the hse, the 9th. And how about this? Is he > not > > 12th from 9th? > > > > Where our mettle as astrologists (I am not an astrolger, who of > > course has the benefit of testing his tools, the givens)is tested. > > > > Shree Sreenadh, are you reading, sir? > > > > How about tiering the rules (the 9th-ness from lagna overrides the > > 12th-ness from 10th)? > > > > Now the sign, Aq. I read an online article which weaves a nice > li'l > > theory of why planets attain exaltation where they do. It argued, > as > > in Capricorn, the servant (Sat) quarters, Ju in Aquarius is in > > detriment. Varahmihira's words about Cancer-like status to Aq > w.r.t. > > Ju came to my mind. How is Ju placed in the sign Aq? Is it in fall > or > > is exalted (near-exalted)? > > > > Can we agree on one of these views re sign, eg, and unequivocally? > > > > Best, > > RK Dash > > > > vedic astrology, "vivekn74" <vivekn74@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th. > More > > > specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is > Guru. > > > What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has > > > kenrdapatya dosha > > > > > > Please refer the following details > > > > > > DOB - 20.08.1974 > > > TOB - 1.20 am > > > Place of Birth - New Delhi > > > Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani > > > 2nd - venus > > > 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust) > > > 4th - Moon > > > 5th - > > > 6th - Rahu > > > 7th - > > > 8th - > > > 9th - Guru® > > > 10th - mandi > > > 11th - > > > 12th - Ketu > > > > > > Regards > > > Vivek > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Dear RK Dash ji, You are right. I am always forced to answer your questions. You said: > One is generally aware of the exact relevance of kendradhipatya > dosha, but we need to clear the air from time to time, as one is > exposed to a great deal of junk astrology these days. The faint > efforts, call it selfish, here are meant to foster the eventual > development of a robust rubric for our times. > If we can provoke some > star-skimming in the brains wedded to this forum, > then let us keep doing such a thing. That is of a seminal nature, > as far as my kind of aspiration at this forum is concerned. Yes, of course I agree. About Kendradhipathya Dosha you asks: > why does a > natural benefic acquire this dosha? Due to "Marakathvepi cha thayor maraka sthana samsthithi" The point is, when a natural benefic has the ownership of a maraka sthana it can do biggest harm (as far as death desa-bhukthi period is concerned). Since being the jeeva karaka, Ju is the planet that can give worst results due to Kendradhipathya dosha. Also remember that the results given by the Kendradhipathis come into effect easily than that by Trikonadhipathis, Dusthanadhipathis etc. There could be other aspects as well. May be Dakshnamoorthi ji could shed more light on the subject. It is just the pointer, Explore!!! Love, Sreenadh vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash wrote: > > Shreenadhji, > > I don't have to demand. I can winkle it out of you. I mean, you at > least, given your spirit of free inquiry and praiseworthy geniality. > > But, sir, Vivek wrote this: "Can you please tell me the impact of 7th > and 10th lord in 9th. More specifically for Gemini Ascendent where > 7th and 10th lord is Guru. What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde > too.Also Guru has kenrdapatya dosha" > > I took up the instance of 10th lord, being Ju, in a Gemini lagna > chart. I dared not touch the generic lagna issue (Aries). My > considerations were of three main points -- lord, a specific planet, > and a specific hse of tanancy. I didn't even venture to include > aspects of such a placement. Kendradhipatya dosh is Vivek's mention. > One is generally aware of the exact relevance of kendradhipatya > dosha, but we need to clear the air from time to time, as one is > exposed to a great deal of junk astrology these days. The faint > efforts, call it selfish, here are meant to foster the eventual > development of a robust rubric for our times. If we can provoke some > star-skimming in the brains wedded to this forum (u r one them), then > let us keep doing such a thing. That is of a seminal nature, as far > as my kind of aspiration at this forum is concerned. [Now can I not > winkle out more forthcoming secret-sharing from your end, sir? Wot > say? > > Your presence is reassuring. > > Thank u for setting right one of the misconceived things, I mean > kendradhipatya dosha. Which brings me to a more fundamental curiosity > I have been trying to satisfy but to no avail. Namely, why does a > natural benefic acquire this dosha? > > Demandingly yours > RK Dash > With warm regards > > PS: We might take up the retrogression issue in Viviekl's query > later. > > > > vedic astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreelid@> > wrote: > > > > Dear RK Dash ji, > > At times you demand response. > > I don't want to fall into the flow of this worthy discussion, that > > you and Vivek is doing. But some points [sh...I am not into > > arguments. It is just for RK Dash ji. ] - > > 1. Kendradhipathya Dosha should be considered only while > calculating > > Desa-Anthardesa for death, i.e. Desa based longevity determination. > > 2. Karaka Bhava nasaka is a principle that does not find support > not > > even by Varaha Mihira. > > Third and the most important point- > > 3. Instead of giving importance to the general rules like > > Kendradhipathi in Kona, or 9th lord in Dusthana or the like, try to > > understand specific prediction that should be given to each. > > For eg think that: > > For Aris Asc 9th lord Ju is in 12th. > > Give predictions for, > > a) Ju placed in Scorpio. (Sthana phala) > > b) 9th lord placed in 8th [specifically 8th don't consider the > > general statement Dustana ] (Bhava phala) > > c) Ju in 8th in Scorpio (Sthana-Bhava-Graha phala) > > It is just for you. No more explanation. Explore!!! [And please > > don't ask any doubt based on the above ] > > To others: > > ---------- > > Don't try to drag me into a debate on the above points. I am > out > > of it. It was just for RK Dash ji. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > vedic astrology, "arkaydash" <arkaydash@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Vivek, > > > > > > There can't be a better placement for Ju, given the lordship. To > my > > > mind, this scores over Pisces placement of the planet. > > > > > > No planet fails to benfit from this hse, namely the 9th. But I > > > reckon, no other planet could have benefited by way of tenacy > here > > as > > > much as Ju does. You know it. First, Ju aspects lagna, the > > summation > > > of everything, and the final phaladatru linkage of the > > > dharmakarmaadhipati yoga. In this chart it aspects (providing the > > orb > > > of influence applies) the dharmadhipati. The dharmakarmadhipati > > yoga > > > is not the smabandha of exchange, but ekaitara smbandha. In this > > > chart even a tad more than ekaitara, because it aspects Sat (9th > > > lord) and Sat aspects 10th. In this chart this yoga is very close > > to > > > the dharmakarmadhipati yoga of the first order. He aspects 5th > hse, > > > the seat of 'dhee', the mirror hse of 9th. Being at a slant, he > > (this > > > 10th lord) would not like obstreperous power. But the authority > and > > > respectability of a finer kind. > > > > > > In short, the lord of the mightiest kendra in mightiest kona. Add > > to > > > that Ju's magnitude and his benefic-ness. > > > > > > But, Vivek, this throws up the classic case of quandary as we > chase > > > logic. Is he not generating the strongest of kendradhipati dosha? > > Is > > > he not the 7th lord? And then, you have karakobhavanashaya, the > > > significator spoiling the hse, the 9th. And how about this? Is he > > not > > > 12th from 9th? > > > > > > Where our mettle as astrologists (I am not an astrolger, who of > > > course has the benefit of testing his tools, the givens)is > tested. > > > > > > Shree Sreenadh, are you reading, sir? > > > > > > How about tiering the rules (the 9th-ness from lagna overrides > the > > > 12th-ness from 10th)? > > > > > > Now the sign, Aq. I read an online article which weaves a nice > > li'l > > > theory of why planets attain exaltation where they do. It argued, > > as > > > in Capricorn, the servant (Sat) quarters, Ju in Aquarius is in > > > detriment. Varahmihira's words about Cancer-like status to Aq > > w.r.t. > > > Ju came to my mind. How is Ju placed in the sign Aq? Is it in > fall > > or > > > is exalted (near-exalted)? > > > > > > Can we agree on one of these views re sign, eg, and > unequivocally? > > > > > > Best, > > > RK Dash > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vivekn74" <vivekn74@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > Can you please tell me the impact of 7th and 10th lord in 9th. > > More > > > > specifically for Gemini Ascendent where 7th and 10th lord is > > Guru. > > > > What happens if the Jupiter is retrograde too.Also Guru has > > > > kenrdapatya dosha > > > > > > > > Please refer the following details > > > > > > > > DOB - 20.08.1974 > > > > TOB - 1.20 am > > > > Place of Birth - New Delhi > > > > Asc/1st - gemini /.Sani > > > > 2nd - venus > > > > 3rd - Sun/Mars/Budh(combust) > > > > 4th - Moon > > > > 5th - > > > > 6th - Rahu > > > > 7th - > > > > 8th - > > > > 9th - Guru® > > > > 10th - mandi > > > > 11th - > > > > 12th - Ketu > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Vivek > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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