Translation of slokas from Mani Mala on Planetary G...

February 20, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Namaste Richard Ji,

So they are actually correct. Please understand that my reservations were

not personal towards you in nature, rather towards the stated translation. I am

in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I also come from Anukul school of

thought as taught by my guru.

I am just trying to figure out why would mani mala say what it states in

sloka 80+...have you read another version of mani mala translated by another

author...?

To think that we should wear Blue sapphire for adverse moon is beyond my

limited understanding, specially when we make a blunt general statement like

that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor debilitated in saturn signs, and then

the author of mani mala further suggests wearing a pearl for adverse

Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so their is inconsistency here...

Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other learned will throw some light...

Namaste

Gaurav Jain

In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

rsbj66 writes:

Dear Sriman,

Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything, these are three slokas taken from

Mani Mala

written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm just putting these slokas out

for comment.

I personally agree with the first sloka 79. When Sun is adverse one should

DONATE a ruby,

for adverse Moon one should donate a pearl, as in Ratna-dana-vidhi

And when these planets are beneficial (anukul) then one should WEAR the

associated gem,

as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby can be worn, as in ratna-dharana.

Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem should be DONATED for bad planet.

I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But as they are from the famous

Mani Mali so I

have put them for your interest.

Best regards,

Richard

vedic astrology, yobrevol wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Namaste richard ji,

>

> If I am reading it correctly , what you are suggesting via these slokas is

> that we should give away diamond to propitiate venus, and at the same time

wear

> diamond when venus is adverse? and that we wear blue sapphire to nullify

> adverse effects of moon?....lets not forget that jupiter exalts in

cancer, so

> how in the right mind can we suggest wearing pearl to "ward off" the

adverse

> effects of jupiter...?

>

> are you sure about the authenticity of the translations?

>

> Also, to the learned, where can I get a copy of Mani mala?

>

> Namaste

> Gaurav Jain

>

> In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> rsbj66 writes:

>

> Translation 79: Ill Stars and how to propitiate them by bestowal (dana)

> of gems:

>

> When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure ruby; when the Moon, a good

> pearl; when Mangala, a good coral; when Budha, a good emerald; when

> Brihaspati, a good yellow sapphire; when Shukra, the diamond; when

> Shani, a good blue sapphire; when Rahu, the gomeda; and when Ketu, a

> good cat's eye, should be donated

>

> Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and how to ward them off by wearing

> (dharan) of gems:

>

> If the Sun is adverse, (wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon, the blue

> sapphire; if Mangala, the ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if Vrihaspati,

> the pearl; if Shukra, the diamond; if Shani, the great blue sapphire;

> if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu, the emerald, should be worn.

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February 20, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Namaste Richard Ji,

I get what you are saying, its fundamental and basic. However we must

realize, that any given gem that we wear (viz a viz anukul-vaad) HAS to be

doing

more than just strengthen its associated planet. It also exalts a planet ( ex

pearl for moon also exalts Jupiter) and also debilitates another ( ex pearl

for moon also exalts Jupiter and debilitates Mars).

Namaste

Gaurav Jain

In a message dated 2/20/2006 9:07:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

rsbj66 writes:

Dear Sriman,

The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses 79-81 are correct. I have

uploaded the

original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section of this group for anyone to

check.

Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears that Mani Mala is an

imperfect source

of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed as is.

One thing interesting is that books on Indian gemology, like Mani Mala, they

only talk

about adverse planets. And they never mention what to do for Anukul planets

(which is

obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha, viz., Anukula-vad)!??

Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the gem (ratna-arpana), and for

Anukul Graha

we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that gems strengthen their plant

when worn,

and reduce their planet when donated. One is accepting, other is giving away.

Best rgds,

Richard

vedic astrology, yobrevol wrote:

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Namaste Richard Ji,

>

> So they are actually correct. Please understand that my reservations were

> not personal towards you in nature, rather towards the stated translation.

I am

> in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I also come from Anukul school

of

> thought as taught by my guru.

>

> I am just trying to figure out why would mani mala say what it states in

> sloka 80+...have you read another version of mani mala translated by

another

> author...?

>

> To think that we should wear Blue sapphire for adverse moon is beyond my

> limited understanding, specially when we make a blunt general statement

like

> that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor debilitated in saturn signs, and

then

> the author of mani mala further suggests wearing a pearl for adverse

> Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so their is inconsistency here...

>

> Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other learned will throw some

light...

>

> Namaste

> Gaurav Jain

>

> In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> rsbj66 writes:

>

> Dear Sriman,

>

> Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything, these are three slokas taken

from

> Mani Mala

> written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm just putting these slokas out

> for comment.

>

> I personally agree with the first sloka 79. When Sun is adverse one

should

> DONATE a ruby,

> for adverse Moon one should donate a pearl, as in Ratna-dana-vidhi

>

> And when these planets are beneficial (anukul) then one should WEAR the

> associated gem,

> as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby can be worn, as in

ratna-dharana.

>

> Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem should be DONATED for bad planet.

>

> I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But as they are from the famous

> Mani Mali so I

> have put them for your interest.

>

> Best regards,

> Richard

>

> --- In vedic astrology, yobrevol@ wrote:

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Namaste richard ji,

> >

> > If I am reading it correctly , what you are suggesting via these

slokas is

>

> > that we should give away diamond to propitiate venus, and at the same

time

> wear

> > diamond when venus is adverse? and that we wear blue sapphire to

nullify

> > adverse effects of moon?....lets not forget that jupiter exalts in

> cancer, so

> > how in the right mind can we suggest wearing pearl to "ward off" the

> adverse

> > effects of jupiter...?

> >

> > are you sure about the authenticity of the translations?

> >

> > Also, to the learned, where can I get a copy of Mani mala?

> >

> > Namaste

> > Gaurav Jain

> >

> > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > rsbj66@ writes:

> >

> > Translation 79: Ill Stars and how to propitiate them by bestowal (dana)

> > of gems:

> >

> > When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure ruby; when the Moon, a good

> > pearl; when Mangala, a good coral; when Budha, a good emerald; when

> > Brihaspati, a good yellow sapphire; when Shukra, the diamond; when

> > Shani, a good blue sapphire; when Rahu, the gomeda; and when Ketu, a

> > good cat's eye, should be donated

> >

> > Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and how to ward them off by wearing

> > (dharan) of gems:

> >

> > If the Sun is adverse, (wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon, the blue

> > sapphire; if Mangala, the ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if Vrihaspati,

> > the pearl; if Shukra, the diamond; if Shani, the great blue sapphire;

> > if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu, the emerald, should be worn.

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> >

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