Translation on gems from Mani Mala & The PGA

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Dear Sriman,

 

Namaste. Yes wear anukul graha ratna / donate pratikul graha ratna.

 

THE PROBLEM: There are still many Jyotishis, specially the old ones, who believe

and

preach and practice Pratikulvad, i.e., the gem REVERSE the planets, thus a bad

Shani is

made good by wearing his gem. This is nonsense and harmful. Such people should

be

stopped.

 

We are fighting to stop this ill-practice of Pratikulvad, and for this purpose

we have

founded the PGA (Graha anukul ratna visheshajna parishad) Planetary Gemologists

Association in 1997 - http://www.p-g-a.org

 

Best rgds,

Richard

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004

wrote:

>

> namaste richard ji

>

> the simple rule of anukul/pratikul remedies are clear like this.

>

> retain or wear the objects of a beneficial planet.

> donate or throw in water the objects of a malefic planet.

>

> in lalkitab system of remedies, this is what is followed precisely.

>

> after years of research through lalkitab remedies, i found stones

> would work positively only if those planets are beneficial to the

> native in a chart. when the planets are malefic, since natives

> cannot afford donating precious stones, they can donate objects

> related to those malefic planets. this is where lalkitab comes

> handy.

>

> i do not agree with gauravji's observation that if you wear a pearn

> for moon, besides moon, jupiter would also be benefited and at the

> same time mars gets debilitated. in my knowledge stones have

> scientific properties and their single objective is to

> receive/absorb the cosmic energies of the respective planets.

> simply put, if you wear a stone for a particular planet, if that

> planet is a benefic the native gets positive results, and if that

> planet is malefic, the native gets negative results.

>

> because of these ambivalence in stone recommendations, i recommend

> rudraksha as several puranas attribute lords to each rudaksha and

> also attribute what benefits the wearer gets. no anukul, no

> pratikul. also it has no negative affects.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

> vedic astrology, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

> <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses 79-81 are

> correct. I have uploaded the

> > original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section of this group for

> anyone to check.

> >

> > Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears that Mani Mala is

> an imperfect source

> > of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed as is.

> >

> > One thing interesting is that books on Indian gemology, like Mani

> Mala, they only talk

> > about adverse planets. And they never mention what to do for

> Anukul planets (which is

> > obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha, viz., Anukula-

> vad)!??

> >

> > Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the gem (ratna-arpana),

> and for Anukul Graha

> > we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that gems strengthen

> their plant when worn,

> > and reduce their planet when donated. One is accepting, other is

> giving away.

> >

> > Best rgds,

> > Richard

> >

> > vedic astrology, yobrevol@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Namaste Richard Ji,

> > >

> > > So they are actually correct. Please understand that my

> reservations were

> > > not personal towards you in nature, rather towards the stated

> translation. I am

> > > in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I also come from

> Anukul school of

> > > thought as taught by my guru.

> > >

> > > I am just trying to figure out why would mani mala say what it

> states in

> > > sloka 80+...have you read another version of mani mala

> translated by another

> > > author...?

> > >

> > > To think that we should wear Blue sapphire for adverse moon is

> beyond my

> > > limited understanding, specially when we make a blunt general

> statement like

> > > that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor debilitated in saturn

> signs, and then

> > > the author of mani mala further suggests wearing a pearl for

> adverse

> > > Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so their is inconsistency

> here...

> > >

> > > Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other learned will throw

> some light...

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > > Gaurav Jain

> > >

> > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > >

> > > Dear Sriman,

> > >

> > > Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything, these are three slokas

> taken from

> > > Mani Mala

> > > written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm just putting these

> slokas out

> > > for comment.

> > >

> > > I personally agree with the first sloka 79. When Sun is adverse

> one should

> > > DONATE a ruby,

> > > for adverse Moon one should donate a pearl, as in Ratna-dana-

> vidhi

> > >

> > > And when these planets are beneficial (anukul) then one should

> WEAR the

> > > associated gem,

> > > as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby can be worn, as in

> ratna-dharana.

> > >

> > > Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem should be DONATED for

> bad planet.

> > >

> > > I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But as they are from

> the famous

> > > Mani Mali so I

> > > have put them for your interest.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Richard

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, yobrevol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Namaste richard ji,

> > > >

> > > > If I am reading it correctly , what you are suggesting via

> these slokas is

> > >

> > > > that we should give away diamond to propitiate venus, and at

> the same time

> > > wear

> > > > diamond when venus is adverse? and that we wear blue

> sapphire to nullify

> > > > adverse effects of moon?....lets not forget that jupiter

> exalts in

> > > cancer, so

> > > > how in the right mind can we suggest wearing pearl to "ward

> off" the

> > > adverse

> > > > effects of jupiter...?

> > > >

> > > > are you sure about the authenticity of the translations?

> > > >

> > > > Also, to the learned, where can I get a copy of Mani mala?

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > > Gaurav Jain

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > Translation 79: Ill Stars and how to propitiate them by

> bestowal (dana)

> > > > of gems:

> > > >

> > > > When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure ruby; when the Moon,

> a good

> > > > pearl; when Mangala, a good coral; when Budha, a good

> emerald; when

> > > > Brihaspati, a good yellow sapphire; when Shukra, the

> diamond; when

> > > > Shani, a good blue sapphire; when Rahu, the gomeda; and when

> Ketu, a

> > > > good cat's eye, should be donated

> > > >

> > > > Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and how to ward them off by

> wearing

> > > > (dharan) of gems:

> > > >

> > > > If the Sun is adverse, (wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon,

> the blue

> > > > sapphire; if Mangala, the ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if

> Vrihaspati,

> > > > the pearl; if Shukra, the diamond; if Shani, the great blue

> sapphire;

> > > > if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu, the emerald, should be

> worn.

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Richard ji,

 

You point is very valid, and i think the confusion ( if i may), is that if

you pick up any panchanga in India, they will say that wearing gems does "graha

shanti".....this shanti word has been mis-understood and used thereof to a

school that thinks the to pacify sani if it is adverse, wear its

gem...ofcourse, there is absolutely no ambiguity on this and the shastra are

very very

clear..

 

Gaurav

In a message dated 2/21/2006 3:40:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rsbj66@ya

hoo.com writes:

 

Dear Sriman,

 

Namaste. Yes wear anukul graha ratna / donate pratikul graha ratna.

 

THE PROBLEM: There are still many Jyotishis, specially the old ones, who

believe and

preach and practice Pratikulvad, i.e., the gem REVERSE the planets, thus a

bad Shani is

made good by wearing his gem. This is nonsense and harmful. Such people

should be

stopped.

 

We are fighting to stop this ill-practice of Pratikulvad, and for this

purpose we have

founded the PGA (Graha anukul ratna visheshajna parishad) Planetary

Gemologists

Association in 1997 - http://www.p-g-a.org

 

Best rgds,

Richard

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004

wrote:

>

> namaste richard ji

>

> the simple rule of anukul/pratikul remedies are clear like this.

>

> retain or wear the objects of a beneficial planet.

> donate or throw in water the objects of a malefic planet.

>

> in lalkitab system of remedies, this is what is followed precisely.

>

> after years of research through lalkitab remedies, i found stones

> would work positively only if those planets are beneficial to the

> native in a chart. when the planets are malefic, since natives

> cannot afford donating precious stones, they can donate objects

> related to those malefic planets. this is where lalkitab comes

> handy.

>

> i do not agree with gauravji's observation that if you wear a pearn

> for moon, besides moon, jupiter would also be benefited and at the

> same time mars gets debilitated. in my knowledge stones have

> scientific properties and their single objective is to

> receive/absorb the cosmic energies of the respective planets.

> simply put, if you wear a stone for a particular planet, if that

> planet is a benefic the native gets positive results, and if that

> planet is malefic, the native gets negative results.

>

> because of these ambivalence in stone recommendations, i recommend

> rudraksha as several puranas attribute lords to each rudaksha and

> also attribute what benefits the wearer gets. no anukul, no

> pratikul. also it has no negative affects.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

> vedic astrology, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

> <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sriman,

> >

> > The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses 79-81 are

> correct. I have uploaded the

> > original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section of this group for

> anyone to check.

> >

> > Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears that Mani Mala is

> an imperfect source

> > of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed as is.

> >

> > One thing interesting is that books on Indian gemology, like Mani

> Mala, they only talk

> > about adverse planets. And they never mention what to do for

> Anukul planets (which is

> > obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha, viz., Anukula-

> vad)!??

> >

> > Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the gem (ratna-arpana),

> and for Anukul Graha

> > we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that gems strengthen

> their plant when worn,

> > and reduce their planet when donated. One is accepting, other is

> giving away.

> >

> > Best rgds,

> > Richard

> >

> > vedic astrology, yobrevol@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Namaste Richard Ji,

> > >

> > > So they are actually correct. Please understand that my

> reservations were

> > > not personal towards you in nature, rather towards the stated

> translation. I am

> > > in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I also come from

> Anukul school of

> > > thought as taught by my guru.

> > >

> > > I am just trying to figure out why would mani mala say what it

> states in

> > > sloka 80+...have you read another version of mani mala

> translated by another

> > > author...?

> > >

> > > To think that we should wear Blue sapphire for adverse moon is

> beyond my

> > > limited understanding, specially when we make a blunt general

> statement like

> > > that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor debilitated in saturn

> signs, and then

> > > the author of mani mala further suggests wearing a pearl for

> adverse

> > > Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so their is inconsistency

> here...

> > >

> > > Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other learned will throw

> some light...

> > >

> > > Namaste

> > > Gaurav Jain

> > >

> > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > >

> > > Dear Sriman,

> > >

> > > Namaste!!! I am not suggesting anything, these are three slokas

> taken from

> > > Mani Mala

> > > written by SM Tagore published in 1879. I'm just putting these

> slokas out

> > > for comment.

> > >

> > > I personally agree with the first sloka 79. When Sun is adverse

> one should

> > > DONATE a ruby,

> > > for adverse Moon one should donate a pearl, as in Ratna-dana-

> vidhi

> > >

> > > And when these planets are beneficial (anukul) then one should

> WEAR the

> > > associated gem,

> > > as if Sun is anukul in the chart then Ruby can be worn, as in

> ratna-dharana.

> > >

> > > Gem should be WORN for good planet / gem should be DONATED for

> bad planet.

> > >

> > > I personally disagree with slokas 80-81. But as they are from

> the famous

> > > Mani Mali so I

> > > have put them for your interest.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Richard

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, yobrevol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Namaste richard ji,

> > > >

> > > > If I am reading it correctly , what you are suggesting via

> these slokas is

> > >

> > > > that we should give away diamond to propitiate venus, and at

> the same time

> > > wear

> > > > diamond when venus is adverse? and that we wear blue

> sapphire to nullify

> > > > adverse effects of moon?....lets not forget that jupiter

> exalts in

> > > cancer, so

> > > > how in the right mind can we suggest wearing pearl to "ward

> off" the

> > > adverse

> > > > effects of jupiter...?

> > > >

> > > > are you sure about the authenticity of the translations?

> > > >

> > > > Also, to the learned, where can I get a copy of Mani mala?

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > > Gaurav Jain

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 2:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > > rsbj66@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > Translation 79: Ill Stars and how to propitiate them by

> bestowal (dana)

> > > > of gems:

> > > >

> > > > When the Sun is hostile (donate) a pure ruby; when the Moon,

> a good

> > > > pearl; when Mangala, a good coral; when Budha, a good

> emerald; when

> > > > Brihaspati, a good yellow sapphire; when Shukra, the

> diamond; when

> > > > Shani, a good blue sapphire; when Rahu, the gomeda; and when

> Ketu, a

> > > > good cat's eye, should be donated

> > > >

> > > > Translation 80-81: Ill Stars and how to ward them off by

> wearing

> > > > (dharan) of gems:

> > > >

> > > > If the Sun is adverse, (wear) the cat's eye; if the Moon,

> the blue

> > > > sapphire; if Mangala, the ruby; if Budha, the ruby too; if

> Vrihaspati,

> > > > the pearl; if Shukra, the diamond; if Shani, the great blue

> sapphire;

> > > > if Rahu, the gomeda, and if Ketu, the emerald, should be

> worn.

> > > >

> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > > http://uk.messenger.

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~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

 

Dear Richard,

 

I would like to know if I can buy your book "Ancient

Astrological Gemstones & Talismans" in India. I am

based at New Delhi, India. If it is available in

India, please let me know from where I can purchase

it.

 

Regards,

 

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--- yobrevol wrote:

 

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Namaste Richard ji,

>

> You point is very valid, and i think the confusion (

> if i may), is that if

> you pick up any panchanga in India, they will say

> that wearing gems does "graha

> shanti".....this shanti word has been

> mis-understood and used thereof to a

> school that thinks the to pacify sani if it is

> adverse, wear its

> gem...ofcourse, there is absolutely no ambiguity on

> this and the shastra are very very

> clear..

>

> Gaurav

> In a message dated 2/21/2006 3:40:32 A.M. Eastern

> Standard Time, rsbj66@ya

> hoo.com writes:

>

> Dear Sriman,

>

> Namaste. Yes wear anukul graha ratna / donate

> pratikul graha ratna.

>

> THE PROBLEM: There are still many Jyotishis,

> specially the old ones, who

> believe and

> preach and practice Pratikulvad, i.e., the gem

> REVERSE the planets, thus a

> bad Shani is

> made good by wearing his gem. This is nonsense and

> harmful. Such people

> should be

> stopped.

>

> We are fighting to stop this ill-practice of

> Pratikulvad, and for this

> purpose we have

> founded the PGA (Graha anukul ratna visheshajna

> parishad) Planetary

> Gemologists

> Association in 1997 - http://www.p-g-a.org

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

>

> vedic astrology,

> "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004

> wrote:

> >

> > namaste richard ji

> >

> > the simple rule of anukul/pratikul remedies are

> clear like this.

> >

> > retain or wear the objects of a beneficial

> planet.

> > donate or throw in water the objects of a malefic

> planet.

> >

> > in lalkitab system of remedies, this is what is

> followed precisely.

> >

> > after years of research through lalkitab

> remedies, i found stones

> > would work positively only if those planets are

> beneficial to the

> > native in a chart. when the planets are malefic,

> since natives

> > cannot afford donating precious stones, they can

> donate objects

> > related to those malefic planets. this is where

> lalkitab comes

> > handy.

> >

> > i do not agree with gauravji's observation that

> if you wear a pearn

> > for moon, besides moon, jupiter would also be

> benefited and at the

> > same time mars gets debilitated. in my knowledge

> stones have

> > scientific properties and their single objective

> is to

> > receive/absorb the cosmic energies of the

> respective planets.

> > simply put, if you wear a stone for a particular

> planet, if that

> > planet is a benefic the native gets positive

> results, and if that

> > planet is malefic, the native gets negative

> results.

> >

> > because of these ambivalence in stone

> recommendations, i recommend

> > rudraksha as several puranas attribute lords to

> each rudaksha and

> > also attribute what benefits the wearer gets. no

> anukul, no

> > pratikul. also it has no negative affects.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> > vedic astrology, "Richard

> Shaw-Brown II"

> > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sriman,

> > >

> > > The translations of Mani Mala by Tagore - Verses

> 79-81 are

> > correct. I have uploaded the

> > > original Sanskrit texts to the PHOTOS section

> of this group for

> > anyone to check.

> > >

> > > Verses 80-81 make no sense. Therefore it appears

> that Mani Mala is

> > an imperfect source

> > > of gem knowledge. And it should not be followed

> as is.

> > >

> > > One thing interesting is that books on Indian

> gemology, like Mani

> > Mala, they only talk

> > > about adverse planets. And they never mention

> what to do for

> > Anukul planets (which is

> > > obviously to wear the gem for the Anukul graha,

> viz., Anukula-

> > vad)!??

> > >

> > > Point is that for Pratikul Graha we DONATE the

> gem (ratna-arpana),

> > and for Anukul Graha

> > > we WEAR the gem. Based on the philosophy that

> gems strengthen

> > their plant when worn,

> > > and reduce their planet when donated. One is

> accepting, other is

> > giving away.

> > >

> > > Best rgds,

> > > Richard

> > >

> > > vedic astrology,

> yobrevol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Richard Ji,

> > > >

> > > > So they are actually correct. Please

> understand that my

> > reservations were

> > > > not personal towards you in nature, rather

> towards the stated

> > translation. I am

> > > > in agreement with you with the sloka 79 as I

> also come from

> > Anukul school of

> > > > thought as taught by my guru.

> > > >

> > > > I am just trying to figure out why would mani

> mala say what it

> > states in

> > > > sloka 80+...have you read another version of

> mani mala

> > translated by another

> > > > author...?

> > > >

> > > > To think that we should wear Blue sapphire for

> adverse moon is

> > beyond my

> > > > limited understanding, specially when we make

> a blunt general

> > statement like

> > > > that...I mean moon is neither exalted nor

> debilitated in saturn

> > signs, and then

> > > > the author of mani mala further suggests

> wearing a pearl for

> > adverse

> > > > Jupiter...where jupiter gets exalted, so

> their is inconsistency

> > here...

> > > >

> > > > Having said that, may be Guru Ji and other

> learned will throw

> > some light...

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > > Gaurav Jain

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 2/20/2006 3:57:55 P.M.

> Eastern Standard

> > Time,

>

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