What we give free to the world ???? Then why we seek free???

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While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

we were told that nothing shall be given free

of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

 

I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee as a token but I

clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

1. When you are paying for naything , you are little aware ,keen and serious

about it. Many times in astrological help also, when I give free consultation ,

some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only needy people

and those who have trust in Astrology only were consulting me. To accept fact or

not but I am totally against anything free. At least token charges must be

leyed. If we go on donating people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

 

We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we sometimes making

people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I reply to questions on forum but once

I am consulted personally, I charge.

 

Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment Tips and for all

those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben consulted for that.

 

skotak

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Skotak,

While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki consultation, I

respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for the "jagat

kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on pure

moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by our

Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and get

promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category, he is

likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the learning or

use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings, but

that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial transaction.

 

I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the predictive

astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason of

its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds of

websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

considerations and each is vying with one another for links to foreign

clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of astrologists

coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it free

or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but living high

spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among Hinuds in

India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

transformation not for good of astrology.

And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has developed in

just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have done so

much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not for

commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because of

these people.

Pran Razdan

 

vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35 wrote:

>

> While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> we were told that nothing shall be given free

> of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

>

> I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee as a

token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little aware ,keen

and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when I

give free consultation ,

> some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against anything

free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

>

> We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I reply to

questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

>

> Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment Tips and

for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

consulted for that.

>

> skotak

>

>

>

> Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is excuse to me.

Our Rishis were given total support by King of the land. Not only for Them but

for entire Ashram and devotees of Rishi. What is devine and what is non is not

the isue. My simple logic is nothing is free. Those ,who have time to give free

stuff, they are free to resort to. I am not from that category. And why should

I take or give free? I strongly believe that one should not be given anything

free.

By giving free we are killing the things and its value.

 

I would like to ask you, ok you do not pay to nay one who is spending lots of

time and have spent years to learn Jyotish. Is it not your duty to take note of

it ? Do you confirm that if one is not taking fees , you will donate some

amount ???????

This is nothing but cheating on your part. Please go in the market and try

what you are getting free. Even if we go to temple, we put some money there. God

is in need of money ? It is curtsey. If we go to Guruji, we take some fruits,

why ???

 

Astrology has never come to me free.

I have spent 20 years in learning,

Gurudaxina to Gurujis

Lots of expenses in buying hundreds of Books.

 

My time is not free

I am not wearing Bhagwa Vastra.

I have my family, friends

and close people whom I want to help on

case to case basis.

 

I have things for charity of my choice and place.

Nothing wrong if I collect from those who need my advise and can afford

and divert that money for the benefit of those who really needs it.

 

To my opinion every one , if can survive, can pay.

 

skotak

 

 

skotak

 

pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

Dear Skotak,

While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki consultation, I

respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for the "jagat

kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on pure

moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by our

Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and get

promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category, he is

likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the learning or

use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings, but

that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial transaction.

 

I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the predictive

astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason of

its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds of

websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

considerations and each is vying with one another for links to foreign

clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of astrologists

coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it free

or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but living high

spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among Hinuds in

India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

transformation not for good of astrology.

And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has developed in

just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have done so

much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not for

commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because of

these people.

Pran Razdan

 

vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35 wrote:

>

> While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> we were told that nothing shall be given free

> of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

>

> I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee as a

token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little aware ,keen

and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when I

give free consultation ,

> some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against anything

free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

>

> We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I reply to

questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

>

> Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment Tips and

for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

consulted for that.

>

> skotak

>

>

>

> Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Ramdev doesn't do it free. It is free for poor (yet to verify that

too).

 

There was a mail from Pt.Sanjay Rath where he says "as long as some

one foots the bill, anyone can do it free" (probably not exact

words, but meant the same, cuz he mentioned Nehru and Gandhi)

 

I have visited quite a few ashrams, temples, charitable institutes,

etc...no where it is free.

 

Some of the ashrams in Haridwar, etc charge rooms that is just more

than hotels.

 

Most of the temples that give free prasadam have heavy donors,

mostly businessmen, who give away in lakhs. Be a close member of any

temple, and see for yourself how difficult it is to run just for

free and purely "unasked" donations. Also, the temples have

volunteers who spend their "valuable" time and make somethings

happen.

 

Finally, as Pt.Sanjay Rath said on this forum once "why are we

indians fancied by free stuff"

 

Giving free is an option, not duty. Taking free service is probably

ok, but demanding it is not good. Everyone's time has a "value" that

varies.

 

-rAma

 

 

vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan

wrote:

>

> Dear Skotak,

> While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki

consultation, I

> respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

> because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for the "jagat

> kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on

pure

> moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by

our

> Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

> sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and get

> promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category, he

is

> likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the learning

or

> use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings, but

> that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial

transaction.

>

> I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the predictive

> astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason of

> its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds of

> websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

> considerations and each is vying with one another for links to

foreign

> clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of

astrologists

> coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it

free

> or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

> astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but living

high

> spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among

Hinuds in

> India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

> transformation not for good of astrology.

> And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

> knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has developed

in

> just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

> P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have done

so

> much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not

for

> commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because of

> these people.

> Pran Razdan

>

> vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

wrote:

> >

> > While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> > we were told that nothing shall be given free

> > of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

> >

> > I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> > keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee as a

> token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> > 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little

aware ,keen

> and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when I

> give free consultation ,

> > some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

> needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

> consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against

anything

> free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

> people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

> >

> > We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

> sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I reply

to

> questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

> >

> > Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment Tips

and

> for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

> consulted for that.

> >

> > skotak

> >

> >

> >

> > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the

time.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear SKotak,

I am proud to address you as "dear skotak" regardless of whether you

reciprocate or not!

Our society is unfortunately coloured by western values through and

through. There is nothing like free in their value system and

everything is economics and pure business. It is these sentiments that

you are echoing. But for a moment think of the Indian or Vedic

civilisation where we have our roots and from where this knowledge has

come to us. Hindus believe in giving and for centuries we have given

so much to the world. Hindu society doesnot behave like business

societies where there is price for anything and everything.

So, the least we can do is to behave in the society the way it behaves

with us. So long as we are Hindus, let us treat Vedic astrology in the

background of the culture it has come to us.Let us not deface our

approach to humanity through fashionable ways of westernisation which

is an illusory euphemism for "development".

Regards,

Pran Razdan

 

vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35 wrote:

>

> This is excuse to me.

> Our Rishis were given total support by King of the land. Not only

for Them but for entire Ashram and devotees of Rishi. What is devine

and what is non is not the isue. My simple logic is nothing is free.

Those ,who have time to give free stuff, they are free to resort to.

I am not from that category. And why should I take or give free? I

strongly believe that one should not be given anything free.

> By giving free we are killing the things and its value.

>

> I would like to ask you, ok you do not pay to nay one who is

spending lots of time and have spent years to learn Jyotish. Is it not

your duty to take note of it ? Do you confirm that if one is not

taking fees , you will donate some amount ???????

> This is nothing but cheating on your part. Please go in the market

and try what you are getting free. Even if we go to temple, we put

some money there. God is in need of money ? It is curtsey. If we go to

Guruji, we take some fruits, why ???

>

> Astrology has never come to me free.

> I have spent 20 years in learning,

> Gurudaxina to Gurujis

> Lots of expenses in buying hundreds of Books.

>

> My time is not free

> I am not wearing Bhagwa Vastra.

> I have my family, friends

> and close people whom I want to help on

> case to case basis.

>

> I have things for charity of my choice and place.

> Nothing wrong if I collect from those who need my advise and can

afford

> and divert that money for the benefit of those who really needs it.

>

> To my opinion every one , if can survive, can pay.

>

> skotak

>

>

> skotak

>

> pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

> Dear Skotak,

> While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki consultation, I

> respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

> because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for the "jagat

> kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on pure

> moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by our

> Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

> sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and get

> promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category, he is

> likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the learning or

> use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings, but

> that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial transaction.

>

> I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the predictive

> astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason of

> its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds of

> websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

> considerations and each is vying with one another for links to foreign

> clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of astrologists

> coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it free

> or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

> astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but living high

> spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among Hinuds in

> India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

> transformation not for good of astrology.

> And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

> knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has developed in

> just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

> P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have done so

> much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not for

> commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because of

> these people.

> Pran Razdan

>

> vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@> wrote:

> >

> > While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> > we were told that nothing shall be given free

> > of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

> >

> > I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> > keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee as a

> token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> > 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little aware ,keen

> and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when I

> give free consultation ,

> > some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

> needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

> consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against anything

> free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

> people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

> >

> > We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

> sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I reply to

> questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

> >

> > Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment Tips and

> for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

> consulted for that.

> >

> > skotak

> >

> >

> >

> > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time.

> >

> >

> >

 

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dear friends

 

whatever the fraternity expressed on charging fees is valid.

however, while practicing astrology whether to do it freely or

charge a fee is a personal choice of the astrologer.

 

in saravali second chapter fifth verse, kalyana varma

says "artharjane sahaya".

 

all the famous astrologers in the courtyards of the kings were

looked after by the kings and enjoyed minister-like comforts.

 

instead of reading thousands of sanskrit verses and know their

hidden meanings, if modern astrologers who researched for decades

write books to make these samhitas understand simply, people are

more than happy to buy those books and are thankful to those

astrologers who wrote these modern books. no one complains that

these astrologers are plagiarising and are selling the samhitas

which they got freely from the sages.

 

also the software engineers who produced excellent astrology

softwares which produce all divisional charts, calculate all dasas

and transits at the click of a mouse are selling these software for

decent amounts which reduces the manual work of an astrologer. this

is a win:win situation for the software industry, astrologers and

querents alike.

 

to charge or not is a choice of the astrologer and both are right in

their own ways.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan

wrote:

>

> Dear SKotak,

> I am proud to address you as "dear skotak" regardless of whether

you

> reciprocate or not!

> Our society is unfortunately coloured by western values through and

> through. There is nothing like free in their value system and

> everything is economics and pure business. It is these sentiments

that

> you are echoing. But for a moment think of the Indian or Vedic

> civilisation where we have our roots and from where this knowledge

has

> come to us. Hindus believe in giving and for centuries we have

given

> so much to the world. Hindu society doesnot behave like business

> societies where there is price for anything and everything.

> So, the least we can do is to behave in the society the way it

behaves

> with us. So long as we are Hindus, let us treat Vedic astrology in

the

> background of the culture it has come to us.Let us not deface our

> approach to humanity through fashionable ways of westernisation

which

> is an illusory euphemism for "development".

> Regards,

> Pran Razdan

>

> vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

wrote:

> >

> > This is excuse to me.

> > Our Rishis were given total support by King of the land. Not

only

> for Them but for entire Ashram and devotees of Rishi. What is

devine

> and what is non is not the isue. My simple logic is nothing is

free.

> Those ,who have time to give free stuff, they are free to resort

to.

> I am not from that category. And why should I take or give free? I

> strongly believe that one should not be given anything free.

> > By giving free we are killing the things and its value.

> >

> > I would like to ask you, ok you do not pay to nay one who is

> spending lots of time and have spent years to learn Jyotish. Is it

not

> your duty to take note of it ? Do you confirm that if one is not

> taking fees , you will donate some amount ???????

> > This is nothing but cheating on your part. Please go in the

market

> and try what you are getting free. Even if we go to temple, we put

> some money there. God is in need of money ? It is curtsey. If we

go to

> Guruji, we take some fruits, why ???

> >

> > Astrology has never come to me free.

> > I have spent 20 years in learning,

> > Gurudaxina to Gurujis

> > Lots of expenses in buying hundreds of Books.

> >

> > My time is not free

> > I am not wearing Bhagwa Vastra.

> > I have my family, friends

> > and close people whom I want to help on

> > case to case basis.

> >

> > I have things for charity of my choice and place.

> > Nothing wrong if I collect from those who need my advise and

can

> afford

> > and divert that money for the benefit of those who really

needs it.

> >

> > To my opinion every one , if can survive, can pay.

> >

> > skotak

> >

> >

> > skotak

> >

> > pnrazdan <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> > Dear Skotak,

> > While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki

consultation, I

> > respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

> > because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for

the "jagat

> > kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on

pure

> > moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by

our

> > Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

> > sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and

get

> > promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category,

he is

> > likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the

learning or

> > use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings,

but

> > that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial

transaction.

> >

> > I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the

predictive

> > astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason

of

> > its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds

of

> > websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

> > considerations and each is vying with one another for links to

foreign

> > clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of

astrologists

> > coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it

free

> > or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

> > astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but

living high

> > spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among

Hinuds in

> > India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

> > transformation not for good of astrology.

> > And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

> > knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has

developed in

> > just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

> > P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have

done so

> > much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not

for

> > commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because

of

> > these people.

> > Pran Razdan

> >

> > vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> > > we were told that nothing shall be given free

> > > of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

> > >

> > > I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> > > keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee

as a

> > token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> > > 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little

aware ,keen

> > and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when

I

> > give free consultation ,

> > > some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

> > needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

> > consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against

anything

> > free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

> > people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

> > >

> > > We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

> > sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I

reply to

> > questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

> > >

> > > Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment

Tips and

> > for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

> > consulted for that.

> > >

> > > skotak

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all

the time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology

horoscope

> Astrology software

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

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> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the

time.

> >

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> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Razdan,

 

I think you have confused values. Either you are totally emotional and

hence, confused or else, you are just pretending to be a noble soul.

 

I will accept the first option and go ahead.

 

You have given the examples of great souls like BV Raman, KN Rao etc.

They are really great souls and they have built up the modern

astrology. Most of the vedic astrologers of this age are really

indebted to them. But then, I have never heard BV Raman or KN Rao

distributing their books free of cost.

 

See, the reason is very very simple. They are being professional. BV

Raman could have priced his books at exorbitant prices and still they

would have got sold like hotcakes and of course, with higher price,

they would have even assumed a sort of mysterious aura, because they

are read by fewer people. But he did not do so. His books are

astonishingly economical.

 

This is the thin line between being professional and commercial.

 

It is nothing wrong to be professional, not only in astrology but in

any walk of life but it is absolutely objectionable to be commercial

in any walk of life.

 

I dont think it is a virtue to live in rags,especially if you are not

a sanyasa, whne the god has given you the talent to earn money and

give comforts to the body. Remember to earn money to given the optimum

happiness. Money is like a shoe, shorter, it will pinch you; Longer,

you would slip.

 

Every talent, including the good way of communications, beautiful face

and being able to command people, is given by the Lord Himself. Serve

him by serving his people well. NOt necessarily at your own cost.

 

I do a lot of free service and I am not a professional astrologer. But

it is my prerogative to sell my talent or distribute free of cost. You

can force me to give it away free of cost. Nor can you say that I

should and must charge money for the services.

 

Hope I made the point.

 

Kishore patnaik

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan

wrote:

>

> Dear Skotak,

> While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki consultation,

I

> respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

> because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for the "jagat

> kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on pure

> moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by our

> Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

> sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and get

> promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category, he

is

> likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the learning

or

> use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings, but

> that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial transaction.

>

> I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the predictive

> astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason of

> its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds of

> websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

> considerations and each is vying with one another for links to

foreign

> clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of

astrologists

> coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it

free

> or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

> astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but living

high

> spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among Hinuds

in

> India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

> transformation not for good of astrology.

> And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

> knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has developed

in

> just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

> P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have done so

> much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not for

> commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because of

> these people.

> Pran Razdan

>

> vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

wrote:

> >

> > While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> > we were told that nothing shall be given free

> > of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

> >

> > I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> > keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee as a

> token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> > 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little aware ,keen

> and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when I

> give free consultation ,

> > some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

> needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

> consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against

anything

> free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

> people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

> >

> > We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

> sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I reply

to

> questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

> >

> > Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment Tips

and

> for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

> consulted for that.

> >

> > skotak

> >

> >

> >

> > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the

time.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Arjunji,

 

Well said Sir, and I quite agree!

 

Blessings

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> whatever the fraternity expressed on charging fees is valid.

> however, while practicing astrology whether to do it freely or

> charge a fee is a personal choice of the astrologer.

>

> in saravali second chapter fifth verse, kalyana varma

> says "artharjane sahaya".

>

> all the famous astrologers in the courtyards of the kings were

> looked after by the kings and enjoyed minister-like comforts.

>

> instead of reading thousands of sanskrit verses and know their

> hidden meanings, if modern astrologers who researched for decades

> write books to make these samhitas understand simply, people are

> more than happy to buy those books and are thankful to those

> astrologers who wrote these modern books. no one complains that

> these astrologers are plagiarising and are selling the samhitas

> which they got freely from the sages.

>

> also the software engineers who produced excellent astrology

> softwares which produce all divisional charts, calculate all dasas

> and transits at the click of a mouse are selling these software for

> decent amounts which reduces the manual work of an astrologer.

this

> is a win:win situation for the software industry, astrologers and

> querents alike.

>

> to charge or not is a choice of the astrologer and both are right

in

> their own ways.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear SKotak,

> > I am proud to address you as "dear skotak" regardless of whether

> you

> > reciprocate or not!

> > Our society is unfortunately coloured by western values through

and

> > through. There is nothing like free in their value system and

> > everything is economics and pure business. It is these sentiments

> that

> > you are echoing. But for a moment think of the Indian or Vedic

> > civilisation where we have our roots and from where this

knowledge

> has

> > come to us. Hindus believe in giving and for centuries we have

> given

> > so much to the world. Hindu society doesnot behave like business

> > societies where there is price for anything and everything.

> > So, the least we can do is to behave in the society the way it

> behaves

> > with us. So long as we are Hindus, let us treat Vedic astrology

in

> the

> > background of the culture it has come to us.Let us not deface our

> > approach to humanity through fashionable ways of westernisation

> which

> > is an illusory euphemism for "development".

> > Regards,

> > Pran Razdan

> >

> > vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > This is excuse to me.

> > > Our Rishis were given total support by King of the land. Not

> only

> > for Them but for entire Ashram and devotees of Rishi. What is

> devine

> > and what is non is not the isue. My simple logic is nothing is

> free.

> > Those ,who have time to give free stuff, they are free to resort

> to.

> > I am not from that category. And why should I take or give free?

I

> > strongly believe that one should not be given anything free.

> > > By giving free we are killing the things and its value.

> > >

> > > I would like to ask you, ok you do not pay to nay one who is

> > spending lots of time and have spent years to learn Jyotish. Is

it

> not

> > your duty to take note of it ? Do you confirm that if one is not

> > taking fees , you will donate some amount ???????

> > > This is nothing but cheating on your part. Please go in the

> market

> > and try what you are getting free. Even if we go to temple, we

put

> > some money there. God is in need of money ? It is curtsey. If we

> go to

> > Guruji, we take some fruits, why ???

> > >

> > > Astrology has never come to me free.

> > > I have spent 20 years in learning,

> > > Gurudaxina to Gurujis

> > > Lots of expenses in buying hundreds of Books.

> > >

> > > My time is not free

> > > I am not wearing Bhagwa Vastra.

> > > I have my family, friends

> > > and close people whom I want to help on

> > > case to case basis.

> > >

> > > I have things for charity of my choice and place.

> > > Nothing wrong if I collect from those who need my advise and

> can

> > afford

> > > and divert that money for the benefit of those who really

> needs it.

> > >

> > > To my opinion every one , if can survive, can pay.

> > >

> > > skotak

> > >

> > >

> > > skotak

> > >

> > > pnrazdan <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> > > Dear Skotak,

> > > While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki

> consultation, I

> > > respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

> > > because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for

> the "jagat

> > > kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on

> pure

> > > moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down

by

> our

> > > Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good

deeds,

> > > sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and

> get

> > > promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category,

> he is

> > > likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the

> learning or

> > > use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings,

> but

> > > that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial

> transaction.

> > >

> > > I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the

> predictive

> > > astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the

reason

> of

> > > its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds

> of

> > > websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

> > > considerations and each is vying with one another for links to

> foreign

> > > clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of

> astrologists

> > > coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did

it

> free

> > > or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

> > > astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but

> living high

> > > spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among

> Hinuds in

> > > India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

> > > transformation not for good of astrology.

> > > And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

> > > knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has

> developed in

> > > just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

> > > P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have

> done so

> > > much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and

not

> for

> > > commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is

because

> of

> > > these people.

> > > Pran Razdan

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, sharad kotak

<skotak35@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> > > > we were told that nothing shall be given free

> > > > of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

> > > >

> > > > I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter

of

> > > > keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee

> as a

> > > token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> > > > 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little

> aware ,keen

> > > and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also,

when

> I

> > > give free consultation ,

> > > > some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges,

only

> > > needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

> > > consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against

> anything

> > > free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

> > > people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

> > > >

> > > > We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

> > > sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I

> reply to

> > > questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

> > > >

> > > > Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment

> Tips and

> > > for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

> > > consulted for that.

> > > >

> > > > skotak

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > > > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all

> the time.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

>

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology

> horoscope

> > Astrology software

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the

> time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pran Razdan

 

I feel that talking about values is so simple.

 

But, How many of us follow vedic rules?

We folow ruls only when it sutes us.

I am firm in what I believe. Rest can ask their soul

why they charge r do not charge.

 

skotak

 

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

dear friends

 

whatever the fraternity expressed on charging fees is valid.

however, while practicing astrology whether to do it freely or

charge a fee is a personal choice of the astrologer.

 

in saravali second chapter fifth verse, kalyana varma

says "artharjane sahaya".

 

all the famous astrologers in the courtyards of the kings were

looked after by the kings and enjoyed minister-like comforts.

 

instead of reading thousands of sanskrit verses and know their

hidden meanings, if modern astrologers who researched for decades

write books to make these samhitas understand simply, people are

more than happy to buy those books and are thankful to those

astrologers who wrote these modern books. no one complains that

these astrologers are plagiarising and are selling the samhitas

which they got freely from the sages.

 

also the software engineers who produced excellent astrology

softwares which produce all divisional charts, calculate all dasas

and transits at the click of a mouse are selling these software for

decent amounts which reduces the manual work of an astrologer. this

is a win:win situation for the software industry, astrologers and

querents alike.

 

to charge or not is a choice of the astrologer and both are right in

their own ways.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan

wrote:

>

> Dear SKotak,

> I am proud to address you as "dear skotak" regardless of whether

you

> reciprocate or not!

> Our society is unfortunately coloured by western values through and

> through. There is nothing like free in their value system and

> everything is economics and pure business. It is these sentiments

that

> you are echoing. But for a moment think of the Indian or Vedic

> civilisation where we have our roots and from where this knowledge

has

> come to us. Hindus believe in giving and for centuries we have

given

> so much to the world. Hindu society doesnot behave like business

> societies where there is price for anything and everything.

> So, the least we can do is to behave in the society the way it

behaves

> with us. So long as we are Hindus, let us treat Vedic astrology in

the

> background of the culture it has come to us.Let us not deface our

> approach to humanity through fashionable ways of westernisation

which

> is an illusory euphemism for "development".

> Regards,

> Pran Razdan

>

> vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

wrote:

> >

> > This is excuse to me.

> > Our Rishis were given total support by King of the land. Not

only

> for Them but for entire Ashram and devotees of Rishi. What is

devine

> and what is non is not the isue. My simple logic is nothing is

free.

> Those ,who have time to give free stuff, they are free to resort

to.

> I am not from that category. And why should I take or give free? I

> strongly believe that one should not be given anything free.

> > By giving free we are killing the things and its value.

> >

> > I would like to ask you, ok you do not pay to nay one who is

> spending lots of time and have spent years to learn Jyotish. Is it

not

> your duty to take note of it ? Do you confirm that if one is not

> taking fees , you will donate some amount ???????

> > This is nothing but cheating on your part. Please go in the

market

> and try what you are getting free. Even if we go to temple, we put

> some money there. God is in need of money ? It is curtsey. If we

go to

> Guruji, we take some fruits, why ???

> >

> > Astrology has never come to me free.

> > I have spent 20 years in learning,

> > Gurudaxina to Gurujis

> > Lots of expenses in buying hundreds of Books.

> >

> > My time is not free

> > I am not wearing Bhagwa Vastra.

> > I have my family, friends

> > and close people whom I want to help on

> > case to case basis.

> >

> > I have things for charity of my choice and place.

> > Nothing wrong if I collect from those who need my advise and

can

> afford

> > and divert that money for the benefit of those who really

needs it.

> >

> > To my opinion every one , if can survive, can pay.

> >

> > skotak

> >

> >

> > skotak

> >

> > pnrazdan <pnrazdan@> wrote:

> > Dear Skotak,

> > While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki

consultation, I

> > respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

> > because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for

the "jagat

> > kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on

pure

> > moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by

our

> > Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

> > sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and

get

> > promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category,

he is

> > likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the

learning or

> > use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings,

but

> > that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial

transaction.

> >

> > I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the

predictive

> > astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason

of

> > its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds

of

> > websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

> > considerations and each is vying with one another for links to

foreign

> > clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of

astrologists

> > coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it

free

> > or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

> > astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but

living high

> > spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among

Hinuds in

> > India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

> > transformation not for good of astrology.

> > And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

> > knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has

developed in

> > just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

> > P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have

done so

> > much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not

for

> > commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because

of

> > these people.

> > Pran Razdan

> >

> > vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> > > we were told that nothing shall be given free

> > > of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

> > >

> > > I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> > > keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee

as a

> > token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> > > 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little

aware ,keen

> > and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when

I

> > give free consultation ,

> > > some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

> > needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

> > consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against

anything

> > free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

> > people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

> > >

> > > We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

> > sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I

reply to

> > questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

> > >

> > > Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment

Tips and

> > for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

> > consulted for that.

> > >

> > > skotak

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all

the time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology

horoscope

> Astrology software

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

> > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the

time.

> >

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology horoscope Astrology

software

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

 

vedic astrology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jiyo cricket on India cricket

Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time.

 

 

[Guest guest]

It is not the matter One should charge or not.

My contention is that why one should ask or attempt free.

 

Even from this and many groups (No name ) , when I was consulted on my email

ID or messenger or mobile, I have charged 101 or 111 USD to those

who are from USA. later I have Gifted to all of them as my First Gesture and

good wish / Good luck. But I have charged before replying. To accept or not is

within my desire. But Those who can pay must pay. They should ask their inner

soul. This is my logic. If many of those reading this email are witness that I

have charged at least 101 US dollars. And all are witness that I have not

accepted from any one for my consultancy. Basically I am earning from Investment

consultancy and 80 % are still free. But once they come out from their old

losses, I charge my Full fees. When I consult any one , I pay full fees.

 

In our business some times we pay for 500000 at single instancefor softwares.

If It suits me I buy and pay.

 

I feel that muft me hume kuch bhi nahi mangna chahiye our aisi adat bhi nahi

dalni chahiye. Those who seek free advise for vital matters are paying every

where and for each matter. I have 20 years of exerience in Astro and

Consultancy.

 

When we declare free trial for a week we get hundreds of members and after

all successfull calls during a week , matter of enrolling comes . less than

than 1 % opt for paid services. Untill this mentality is not changed, We can not

progress. I am sure each one will ask themselves and get reply. My experience

is based on facts.

 

We just ask thousands in One Nariyel to God. God is not so fulish......!!!!!!

 

untill we do not change our mentality, we do not know what exactly we can get

and what we are getting. If we ask from God that If this work is done ( Monetary

) I will donate 10 % of profit, that is the matter to be thought over. It is not

the case that God wants 10 % but it reflects ones mentality.

 

Businessman earns in lacks and deny to pay workers , officials , clerks in

reasonable way. Society needs to think over it. We should share our success

knowledge ate free why ???? and why we should not share our wealth and money

earned or have ? this is nothing but dual standard. We charge for our things and

services and seek free from others. Why >??????????????????

If believe that if some one do not ask fees we should try to pay in cash kind

or some other way. when we talk about vedic standards , we should know that

thousands of students were studying there. After getting started into life ,

they were taking care of such Ashrams. This way they werenot taking free.

 

o cheat others can be ok. But to cheat our own soul is that matter , which

shall never be allowed and always we should be loyal to our ethicks.

 

skotak

 

skotak

 

RAma Vootla <vsra_prasad wrote:

Ramdev doesn't do it free. It is free for poor (yet to verify that

too).

 

There was a mail from Pt.Sanjay Rath where he says "as long as some

one foots the bill, anyone can do it free" (probably not exact

words, but meant the same, cuz he mentioned Nehru and Gandhi)

 

I have visited quite a few ashrams, temples, charitable institutes,

etc...no where it is free.

 

Some of the ashrams in Haridwar, etc charge rooms that is just more

than hotels.

 

Most of the temples that give free prasadam have heavy donors,

mostly businessmen, who give away in lakhs. Be a close member of any

temple, and see for yourself how difficult it is to run just for

free and purely "unasked" donations. Also, the temples have

volunteers who spend their "valuable" time and make somethings

happen.

 

Finally, as Pt.Sanjay Rath said on this forum once "why are we

indians fancied by free stuff"

 

Giving free is an option, not duty. Taking free service is probably

ok, but demanding it is not good. Everyone's time has a "value" that

varies.

 

-rAma

 

 

vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" <pnrazdan

wrote:

>

> Dear Skotak,

> While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki

consultation, I

> respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

> because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for the "jagat

> kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on

pure

> moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by

our

> Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

> sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and get

> promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category, he

is

> likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the learning

or

> use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings, but

> that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial

transaction.

>

> I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the predictive

> astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason of

> its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds of

> websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

> considerations and each is vying with one another for links to

foreign

> clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of

astrologists

> coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it

free

> or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

> astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but living

high

> spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among

Hinuds in

> India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

> transformation not for good of astrology.

> And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

> knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has developed

in

> just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

> P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have done

so

> much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not

for

> commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because of

> these people.

> Pran Razdan

>

> vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@>

wrote:

> >

> > While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> > we were told that nothing shall be given free

> > of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

> >

> > I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> > keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee as a

> token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> > 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little

aware ,keen

> and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when I

> give free consultation ,

> > some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

> needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

> consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against

anything

> free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

> people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

> >

> > We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

> sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I reply

to

> questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

> >

> > Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment Tips

and

> for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

> consulted for that.

> >

> > skotak

> >

> >

> >

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pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

Dear SKotak,

I am proud to address you as "dear skotak" regardless of whether you

reciprocate or not!

Our society is unfortunately coloured by western values through and

through. There is nothing like free in their value system and

everything is economics and pure business. It is these sentiments that

you are echoing. But for a moment think of the Indian or Vedic

civilisation where we have our roots and from where this knowledge has

come to us. Hindus believe in giving and for centuries we have given

so much to the world. Hindu society doesnot behave like business

societies where there is price for anything and everything.

So, the least we can do is to behave in the society the way it behaves

with us. So long as we are Hindus, let us treat Vedic astrology in the

background of the culture it has come to us.Let us not deface our

approach to humanity through fashionable ways of westernisation which

is an illusory euphemism for "development".

Regards,

Pran Razdan

 

vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35 wrote:

>

> This is excuse to me.

> Our Rishis were given total support by King of the land. Not only

for Them but for entire Ashram and devotees of Rishi. What is devine

and what is non is not the isue. My simple logic is nothing is free.

Those ,who have time to give free stuff, they are free to resort to.

I am not from that category. And why should I take or give free? I

strongly believe that one should not be given anything free.

> By giving free we are killing the things and its value.

>

> I would like to ask you, ok you do not pay to nay one who is

spending lots of time and have spent years to learn Jyotish. Is it not

your duty to take note of it ? Do you confirm that if one is not

taking fees , you will donate some amount ???????

> This is nothing but cheating on your part. Please go in the market

and try what you are getting free. Even if we go to temple, we put

some money there. God is in need of money ? It is curtsey. If we go to

Guruji, we take some fruits, why ???

>

> Astrology has never come to me free.

> I have spent 20 years in learning,

> Gurudaxina to Gurujis

> Lots of expenses in buying hundreds of Books.

>

> My time is not free

> I am not wearing Bhagwa Vastra.

> I have my family, friends

> and close people whom I want to help on

> case to case basis.

>

> I have things for charity of my choice and place.

> Nothing wrong if I collect from those who need my advise and can

afford

> and divert that money for the benefit of those who really needs it.

>

> To my opinion every one , if can survive, can pay.

>

> skotak

>

>

> skotak

>

> pnrazdan <pnrazdan wrote:

> Dear Skotak,

> While I cannot comment on your charging fee for Reiki consultation, I

> respectfully disagree with you in the case of Astrology. This is

> because this knowledge was given to mankind free and for the "jagat

> kalyan" and anything which came to us free cannot be charged on pure

> moral considerations. Secondly the only eligibility laid down by our

> Sages is for the astrologist and the querent to be of good deeds,

> sincere and humble and only then this knowledge shall help and get

> promoted. In fact if the person does not fall in this category, he is

> likely to get unhappiness in life if he persists with the learning or

> use of this knowledge. While the querent has to make offerings, but

> that is only for Brahiman and gods and not a commercial transaction.

>

> I sometimes feel that Vedic astrology, particularly the predictive

> astrology has failed to come out correctly mainly for the reason of

> its transformation to a commercial business. There are hundreds of

> websites offering consultation, remedies etc for monetary

> considerations and each is vying with one another for links to foreign

> clients and dollar earnings.I have personal experience of astrologists

> coming out with fantastic predictions in my childhood who did it free

> or some paltry dakshina (purely voluntarily) and who were these

> astrologists- just poor people dressed in almost rags but living high

> spiritual lives. I am sure most of senior aged persons among Hinuds in

> India whoud have a similar experience. So there has been a

> transformation not for good of astrology.

> And then look to Swami Ramdev who is giving Yoga- another Vedic

> knowledge- to the people free of cost and see how it has developed in

> just last two years. I salute people like BVRaman, KNRao,

> P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, Brian Conrad, Sanjay Rath etc. who have done so

> much for this knowledge just for the good of the society and not for

> commercial purposes. If Astrology is still living, it is because of

> these people.

> Pran Razdan

>

> vedic astrology, sharad kotak <skotak35@> wrote:

> >

> > While We were taking Diksha of REIKI

> > we were told that nothing shall be given free

> > of cost and the reason was also given which was convincing.

> >

> > I do charge For each seating of Reiki. It is not a matter of

> > keeping the money of not. Some times I just take one rupee as a

> token but I clearly tell my charges. It carries two objects:

> > 1. When you are paying for naything , you are little aware ,keen

> and serious about it. Many times in astrological help also, when I

> give free consultation ,

> > some were casualy asking questions. When I set charges, only

> needy people and those who have trust in Astrology only were

> consulting me. To accept fact or not but I am totally against anything

> free. At least token charges must be leyed. If we go on donating

> people on regular basis , why do they work for food?

> >

> > We are making them lazy.Lord Krishne Told to do karma and we

> sometimes making people not to do karma. Yes, At my will , I reply to

> questions on forum but once I am consulted personally, I charge.

> >

> > Not in Astrology but in Reiki, mantra Diksha, Investment Tips and

> for all those matters, I have capacity to guide and I have ben

> consulted for that.

> >

> > skotak

> >

> >

> >

> > Jiyo cricket on India cricket

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