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Dear Srimanji,

 

Namaste!!! If I take a shila and carve it, still the shila material is

natural (Godmade). I have never heard of a "man-made" stone being

carved into a deity form and worshipped. Usually it is carved from wood

or marble, etc., even cast from metal, which are all natural materials,

not man made. I am not the only person who thinks synthetic gems are

useless. The Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

http://www.p-g-a.org even has a ruling against recommending synthetic

imitation stones for jyotish use. "Synthetic gem" is a contadiction in

terms because a gem is by definition a "naturally occuring object"

(Ref. Color Encyclopedia of Gemstones).

 

If you know of any astrologers who recommend synthetic stones for

jyotish please inform the PGA (Planetary Gemologists Association) - The

Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

http://www.p-g-a.org so those persons can be placed on the OFF-LIST.

 

Best rgds,

Richard

http://www.richardshawbrown.com

 

> Message: 14

> Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:18:11 +0530

> "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology

> Re: Jyotish Gems: Anukulvad v/s Pratikulvad

>

> Namaskaar Sri Richard

>

> We take a shila and carve a diety. We do praanpratishtha and worship

> the

> diety. A man made rock is worshipped as a diety and has brilliant

> effects.

> Why do you feel synthetic (or man made) gemstones will not have any

> effects?

>

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> >

> > The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing

> > philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

> >

> > ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should

> be

> > chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

> >

> > PRATIKULA-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems

> > should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

> >

> > Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or harnessing

> > one's auspicious or Anukul planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own

> sign,

> > benefic, great friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.) based

> on

> > the concept that lucky planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are

> > basically two broad categories of planetary position, viz.,

> favorable

> > (to the chart) - Anukul OR unfavorable (to the chart) - Pratikul.

> One

> > should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

> > "Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most desirable

> > planet. Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who

> is

> > exalted (100% strength) and posited in the 9th house which is all

> very

> > auspicious. That person would be advised to use a fine ruby, the

> Sun's

> > gem, to attract or harness his auspicious influence. On the other

> hand

> > if a person had Saturn debilitated (0% strength) and in the 8th

> house

> > they would be advised to avoid Saturn's gem blue sapphire and all

> other

> > Saturnine things or activities. And better still they could donate

> a

> > blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The followers of Anukul-vad

> believe

> > that the pratikul-graha color is the unlucky color, and to magnify

> that

> > bad color will simply increase the problems caused by that unlucky

> > Planet. Both methods believe that gems increase cosmic colors of

> their

> > planets, thus for an Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to

> increase

> > a pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a

> > Pratikul (harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be worn

> as

> > it will surely increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a

> Pratikul

> > planet can be used by DONATING them - giving them AWAY - according

> to

> > Shastric directions. A pure anukuli believes that a pratikul-gem is

> > NEVER good to use; it is increasing the cosmic poison, and ill

> fortune

> > (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER be increased. Anukul

> means a

> > planet that is beneficially disposed either by being strong in own

> > sign, good house, ruler of houses which will bring positive

> results, or

> > otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil influence.

> A

> > planet which is good for the chart either naturally or by house

> ruler

> > ship yet somewhat weakened by placement may be strengthened through

> the

> > gem, or a planet which already is strong and giving benefic

> influence

> > may be further strengthened for gains in particular areas of life

> by

> > wearing the gem.

> >

> > Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for strengthening a weak or

> evil

> > planet, based on the misconception that a 'pratikul' (inauspicious)

> > planet is strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it changes

> from

> > being inauspicious (pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul).

> ILLOGIC:

> > By providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will

> follow.

> > Example: A person has Jupiter debilitated and a malefic which is

> > inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing Jupiter's gem, yellow

> sapphire

> > or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed that the 'weak'

> > (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to become

> > auspicious. Pratikul means a planet that causes evil influence or

> > suffering to the native as seen through the horoscope. This may be

> a

> > debilitated planet who is in a dusthana and enemy of the lord of

> the

> > lagna, or otherwise disposed that the influence simply causes

> > suffering.

> >

> > Choosing gems which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart)

> as

> > well as clean (amala) and auspicious, these two are a MUST in

> planetary

> > gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the prohibition against astrological

> use

> > of synthetics is the least of all PG evils as synthetics have no

> > harmful effect because they have NO effect whatsoever. The most

> > important considerations are Anukul-graha gem choosing and flawless

> > gems - 100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe clean is an acceptable

> range

> > in our experience. Always exercise CAUTION with any gem that has

> > clarity below 80% loupe clean. Very flawed gems are dead due to

> serious

> > life-ending defects, and according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a

> gem

> > with many flaws (even) out of ignorance, then grief, anxiety,

> sickness,

> > death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri Garuda

> Purana:

> > 1.70.19

> >

> > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > Designer & Gemologist

> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > http://www.themisunderstood.com

> > http://www.hrisikesh.com

> > http://www.hrisikesh.net

> > http://www.p-g-a.org

> > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> > http://www.generalprem.com

> > http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> > http://www.sacred-objects.info

> > sacred-objects/

> > planetary-gemology/

> >

 

 

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The synthetic gemstones are also made from naturally found material. I

haven't seen a single scientist fabricate material out of nothingness. So in

that sense, they too are from natural material. The clothes we offer the

diety for the diety to wear are also manmade, so are sweets, etc.

 

Whether a group or a whole list is against it is not the question. It is

question of understanding why. Hope you will respond with a plausible

answer.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Dear Srimanji,

>

> Namaste!!! If I take a shila and carve it, still the shila material is

> natural (Godmade). I have never heard of a "man-made" stone being

> carved into a deity form and worshipped. Usually it is carved from wood

> or marble, etc., even cast from metal, which are all natural materials,

> not man made. I am not the only person who thinks synthetic gems are

> useless. The Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> http://www.p-g-a.org even has a ruling against recommending synthetic

> imitation stones for jyotish use. "Synthetic gem" is a contadiction in

> terms because a gem is by definition a "naturally occuring object"

> (Ref. Color Encyclopedia of Gemstones).

>

> If you know of any astrologers who recommend synthetic stones for

> jyotish please inform the PGA (Planetary Gemologists Association) - The

> Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> http://www.p-g-a.org so those persons can be placed on the OFF-LIST.

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

> http://www.richardshawbrown.com

>

> > Message: 14

> > Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:18:11 +0530

> > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology

> > Re: Jyotish Gems: Anukulvad v/s Pratikulvad

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> >

> > We take a shila and carve a diety. We do praanpratishtha and worship

> > the

> > diety. A man made rock is worshipped as a diety and has brilliant

> > effects.

> > Why do you feel synthetic (or man made) gemstones will not have any

> > effects?

> >

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> > On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > >

> > > The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing

> > > philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

> > >

> > > ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should

> > be

> > > chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

> > >

> > > PRATIKULA-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems

> > > should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

> > >

> > > Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or harnessing

> > > one's auspicious or Anukul planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own

> > sign,

> > > benefic, great friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.) based

> > on

> > > the concept that lucky planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are

> > > basically two broad categories of planetary position, viz.,

> > favorable

> > > (to the chart) - Anukul OR unfavorable (to the chart) - Pratikul.

> > One

> > > should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

> > > "Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most desirable

> > > planet. Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who

> > is

> > > exalted (100% strength) and posited in the 9th house which is all

> > very

> > > auspicious. That person would be advised to use a fine ruby, the

> > Sun's

> > > gem, to attract or harness his auspicious influence. On the other

> > hand

> > > if a person had Saturn debilitated (0% strength) and in the 8th

> > house

> > > they would be advised to avoid Saturn's gem blue sapphire and all

> > other

> > > Saturnine things or activities. And better still they could donate

> > a

> > > blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The followers of Anukul-vad

> > believe

> > > that the pratikul-graha color is the unlucky color, and to magnify

> > that

> > > bad color will simply increase the problems caused by that unlucky

> > > Planet. Both methods believe that gems increase cosmic colors of

> > their

> > > planets, thus for an Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to

> > increase

> > > a pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a

> > > Pratikul (harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be worn

> > as

> > > it will surely increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a

> > Pratikul

> > > planet can be used by DONATING them - giving them AWAY - according

> > to

> > > Shastric directions. A pure anukuli believes that a pratikul-gem is

> > > NEVER good to use; it is increasing the cosmic poison, and ill

> > fortune

> > > (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER be increased. Anukul

> > means a

> > > planet that is beneficially disposed either by being strong in own

> > > sign, good house, ruler of houses which will bring positive

> > results, or

> > > otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil influence.

> > A

> > > planet which is good for the chart either naturally or by house

> > ruler

> > > ship yet somewhat weakened by placement may be strengthened through

> > the

> > > gem, or a planet which already is strong and giving benefic

> > influence

> > > may be further strengthened for gains in particular areas of life

> > by

> > > wearing the gem.

> > >

> > > Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for strengthening a weak or

> > evil

> > > planet, based on the misconception that a 'pratikul' (inauspicious)

> > > planet is strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it changes

> > from

> > > being inauspicious (pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul).

> > ILLOGIC:

> > > By providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will

> > follow.

> > > Example: A person has Jupiter debilitated and a malefic which is

> > > inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing Jupiter's gem, yellow

> > sapphire

> > > or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed that the 'weak'

> > > (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to become

> > > auspicious. Pratikul means a planet that causes evil influence or

> > > suffering to the native as seen through the horoscope. This may be

> > a

> > > debilitated planet who is in a dusthana and enemy of the lord of

> > the

> > > lagna, or otherwise disposed that the influence simply causes

> > > suffering.

> > >

> > > Choosing gems which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart)

> > as

> > > well as clean (amala) and auspicious, these two are a MUST in

> > planetary

> > > gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the prohibition against astrological

> > use

> > > of synthetics is the least of all PG evils as synthetics have no

> > > harmful effect because they have NO effect whatsoever. The most

> > > important considerations are Anukul-graha gem choosing and flawless

> > > gems - 100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe clean is an acceptable

> > range

> > > in our experience. Always exercise CAUTION with any gem that has

> > > clarity below 80% loupe clean. Very flawed gems are dead due to

> > serious

> > > life-ending defects, and according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a

> > gem

> > > with many flaws (even) out of ignorance, then grief, anxiety,

> > sickness,

> > > death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri Garuda

> > Purana:

> > > 1.70.19

> > >

> > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > > Designer & Gemologist

> > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > > http://www.themisunderstood.com

> > > http://www.hrisikesh.com

> > > http://www.hrisikesh.net

> > > http://www.p-g-a.org

> > > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> > > http://www.generalprem.com

> > > http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> > > http://www.sacred-objects.info

> > > sacred-objects/

> > > planetary-gemology/

> > >

>

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On 3/6/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Richard

>

> The synthetic gemstones are also made from naturally found material. I

> haven't seen a single scientist fabricate material out of nothingness. So in

> that sense, they too are from natural material. The clothes we offer the

> diety for the diety to wear are also manmade, so are sweets, etc.

>

> Whether a group or a whole list is against it is not the question. It is

> question of understanding why. Hope you will respond with a plausible

> answer.

>

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srimanji,

> >

> > Namaste!!! If I take a shila and carve it, still the shila material is

> > natural (Godmade). I have never heard of a "man-made" stone being

> > carved into a deity form and worshipped. Usually it is carved from wood

> > or marble, etc., even cast from metal, which are all natural materials,

> > not man made. I am not the only person who thinks synthetic gems are

> > useless. The Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > http://www.p-g-a.org even has a ruling against recommending synthetic

> > imitation stones for jyotish use. "Synthetic gem" is a contadiction in

> > terms because a gem is by definition a "naturally occuring object"

> > (Ref. Color Encyclopedia of Gemstones).

> >

> > If you know of any astrologers who recommend synthetic stones for

> > jyotish please inform the PGA (Planetary Gemologists Association) - The

> > Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > http://www.p-g-a.org so those persons can be placed on the OFF-LIST.

> >

> > Best rgds,

> > Richard

> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> >

> > > Message: 14

> > > Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:18:11 +0530

> > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology

> > > Re: Jyotish Gems: Anukulvad v/s Pratikulvad

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > >

> > > We take a shila and carve a diety. We do praanpratishtha and worship

> > > the

> > > diety. A man made rock is worshipped as a diety and has brilliant

> > > effects.

> > > Why do you feel synthetic (or man made) gemstones will not have any

> > > effects?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > > On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing

> > > > philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

> > > >

> > > > ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should

> > > be

> > > > chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

> > > >

> > > > PRATIKULA-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems

> > > > should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

> > > >

> > > > Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or harnessing

> > > > one's auspicious or Anukul planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own

> > > sign,

> > > > benefic, great friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.) based

> > > on

> > > > the concept that lucky planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are

> > > > basically two broad categories of planetary position, viz.,

> > > favorable

> > > > (to the chart) - Anukul OR unfavorable (to the chart) - Pratikul.

> > > One

> > > > should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

> > > > "Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most desirable

> > > > planet. Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who

> > > is

> > > > exalted (100% strength) and posited in the 9th house which is all

> > > very

> > > > auspicious. That person would be advised to use a fine ruby, the

> > > Sun's

> > > > gem, to attract or harness his auspicious influence. On the other

> > > hand

> > > > if a person had Saturn debilitated (0% strength) and in the 8th

> > > house

> > > > they would be advised to avoid Saturn's gem blue sapphire and all

> > > other

> > > > Saturnine things or activities. And better still they could donate

> > > a

> > > > blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The followers of Anukul-vad

> > > believe

> > > > that the pratikul-graha color is the unlucky color, and to magnify

> > > that

> > > > bad color will simply increase the problems caused by that unlucky

> > > > Planet. Both methods believe that gems increase cosmic colors of

> > > their

> > > > planets, thus for an Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to

> > > increase

> > > > a pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a

> > > > Pratikul (harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be worn

> > > as

> > > > it will surely increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a

> > > Pratikul

> > > > planet can be used by DONATING them - giving them AWAY - according

> > > to

> > > > Shastric directions. A pure anukuli believes that a pratikul-gem is

> > > > NEVER good to use; it is increasing the cosmic poison, and ill

> > > fortune

> > > > (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER be increased. Anukul

> > > means a

> > > > planet that is beneficially disposed either by being strong in own

> > > > sign, good house, ruler of houses which will bring positive

> > > results, or

> > > > otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil influence.

> > > A

> > > > planet which is good for the chart either naturally or by house

> > > ruler

> > > > ship yet somewhat weakened by placement may be strengthened through

> > > the

> > > > gem, or a planet which already is strong and giving benefic

> > > influence

> > > > may be further strengthened for gains in particular areas of life

> > > by

> > > > wearing the gem.

> > > >

> > > > Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for strengthening a weak or

> > > evil

> > > > planet, based on the misconception that a 'pratikul' (inauspicious)

> > > > planet is strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it changes

> > > from

> > > > being inauspicious (pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul).

> > > ILLOGIC:

> > > > By providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will

> > > follow.

> > > > Example: A person has Jupiter debilitated and a malefic which is

> > > > inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing Jupiter's gem, yellow

> > > sapphire

> > > > or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed that the 'weak'

> > > > (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to become

> > > > auspicious. Pratikul means a planet that causes evil influence or

> > > > suffering to the native as seen through the horoscope. This may be

> > > a

> > > > debilitated planet who is in a dusthana and enemy of the lord of

> > > the

> > > > lagna, or otherwise disposed that the influence simply causes

> > > > suffering.

> > > >

> > > > Choosing gems which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart)

> > > as

> > > > well as clean (amala) and auspicious, these two are a MUST in

> > > planetary

> > > > gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the prohibition against astrological

> > > use

> > > > of synthetics is the least of all PG evils as synthetics have no

> > > > harmful effect because they have NO effect whatsoever. The most

> > > > important considerations are Anukul-graha gem choosing and flawless

> > > > gems - 100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe clean is an acceptable

> > > range

> > > > in our experience. Always exercise CAUTION with any gem that has

> > > > clarity below 80% loupe clean. Very flawed gems are dead due to

> > > serious

> > > > life-ending defects, and according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a

> > > gem

> > > > with many flaws (even) out of ignorance, then grief, anxiety,

> > > sickness,

> > > > death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri Garuda

> > > Purana:

> > > > 1.70.19

> > > >

> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > > > Designer & Gemologist

> > > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > > > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > > > http://www.themisunderstood.com

> > > > http://www.hrisikesh.com

> > > > http://www.hrisikesh.net

> > > > http://www.p-g-a.org

> > > > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> > > > http://www.generalprem.com

> > > > http://www.navaratna-museum.info

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Dear Bharatji,

 

Namaste!!! I am a gemologist. We are taught to distinguish real gems from

synthetic. In

the world it is normal...if a synthetic ruby is sold cheaply as a fake then

there is no

offence; but if the synthetic is sold as REAL ruby then that is a crime and they

can go to

jail. In the jewelry business the biggest cheat of all is selling synthetic as

REAL (natural).

 

Best rgds,

Richard

 

vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

<hinduastrology

wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Richard

>

> The synthetic gemstones are also made from naturally found material. I

> haven't seen a single scientist fabricate material out of nothingness. So in

> that sense, they too are from natural material. The clothes we offer the

> diety for the diety to wear are also manmade, so are sweets, etc.

>

> Whether a group or a whole list is against it is not the question. It is

> question of understanding why. Hope you will respond with a plausible

> answer.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srimanji,

> >

> > Namaste!!! If I take a shila and carve it, still the shila material is

> > natural (Godmade). I have never heard of a "man-made" stone being

> > carved into a deity form and worshipped. Usually it is carved from wood

> > or marble, etc., even cast from metal, which are all natural materials,

> > not man made. I am not the only person who thinks synthetic gems are

> > useless. The Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > http://www.p-g-a.org even has a ruling against recommending synthetic

> > imitation stones for jyotish use. "Synthetic gem" is a contadiction in

> > terms because a gem is by definition a "naturally occuring object"

> > (Ref. Color Encyclopedia of Gemstones).

> >

> > If you know of any astrologers who recommend synthetic stones for

> > jyotish please inform the PGA (Planetary Gemologists Association) - The

> > Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > http://www.p-g-a.org so those persons can be placed on the OFF-LIST.

> >

> > Best rgds,

> > Richard

> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> >

> > > Message: 14

> > > Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:18:11 +0530

> > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology

> > > Re: Jyotish Gems: Anukulvad v/s Pratikulvad

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > >

> > > We take a shila and carve a diety. We do praanpratishtha and worship

> > > the

> > > diety. A man made rock is worshipped as a diety and has brilliant

> > > effects.

> > > Why do you feel synthetic (or man made) gemstones will not have any

> > > effects?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > > On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing

> > > > philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

> > > >

> > > > ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should

> > > be

> > > > chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

> > > >

> > > > PRATIKULA-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems

> > > > should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

> > > >

> > > > Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or harnessing

> > > > one's auspicious or Anukul planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own

> > > sign,

> > > > benefic, great friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.) based

> > > on

> > > > the concept that lucky planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are

> > > > basically two broad categories of planetary position, viz.,

> > > favorable

> > > > (to the chart) - Anukul OR unfavorable (to the chart) - Pratikul.

> > > One

> > > > should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

> > > > "Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most desirable

> > > > planet. Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who

> > > is

> > > > exalted (100% strength) and posited in the 9th house which is all

> > > very

> > > > auspicious. That person would be advised to use a fine ruby, the

> > > Sun's

> > > > gem, to attract or harness his auspicious influence. On the other

> > > hand

> > > > if a person had Saturn debilitated (0% strength) and in the 8th

> > > house

> > > > they would be advised to avoid Saturn's gem blue sapphire and all

> > > other

> > > > Saturnine things or activities. And better still they could donate

> > > a

> > > > blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The followers of Anukul-vad

> > > believe

> > > > that the pratikul-graha color is the unlucky color, and to magnify

> > > that

> > > > bad color will simply increase the problems caused by that unlucky

> > > > Planet. Both methods believe that gems increase cosmic colors of

> > > their

> > > > planets, thus for an Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to

> > > increase

> > > > a pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a

> > > > Pratikul (harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be worn

> > > as

> > > > it will surely increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a

> > > Pratikul

> > > > planet can be used by DONATING them - giving them AWAY - according

> > > to

> > > > Shastric directions. A pure anukuli believes that a pratikul-gem is

> > > > NEVER good to use; it is increasing the cosmic poison, and ill

> > > fortune

> > > > (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER be increased. Anukul

> > > means a

> > > > planet that is beneficially disposed either by being strong in own

> > > > sign, good house, ruler of houses which will bring positive

> > > results, or

> > > > otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil influence.

> > > A

> > > > planet which is good for the chart either naturally or by house

> > > ruler

> > > > ship yet somewhat weakened by placement may be strengthened through

> > > the

> > > > gem, or a planet which already is strong and giving benefic

> > > influence

> > > > may be further strengthened for gains in particular areas of life

> > > by

> > > > wearing the gem.

> > > >

> > > > Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for strengthening a weak or

> > > evil

> > > > planet, based on the misconception that a 'pratikul' (inauspicious)

> > > > planet is strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it changes

> > > from

> > > > being inauspicious (pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul).

> > > ILLOGIC:

> > > > By providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will

> > > follow.

> > > > Example: A person has Jupiter debilitated and a malefic which is

> > > > inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing Jupiter's gem, yellow

> > > sapphire

> > > > or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed that the 'weak'

> > > > (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to become

> > > > auspicious. Pratikul means a planet that causes evil influence or

> > > > suffering to the native as seen through the horoscope. This may be

> > > a

> > > > debilitated planet who is in a dusthana and enemy of the lord of

> > > the

> > > > lagna, or otherwise disposed that the influence simply causes

> > > > suffering.

> > > >

> > > > Choosing gems which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart)

> > > as

> > > > well as clean (amala) and auspicious, these two are a MUST in

> > > planetary

> > > > gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the prohibition against astrological

> > > use

> > > > of synthetics is the least of all PG evils as synthetics have no

> > > > harmful effect because they have NO effect whatsoever. The most

> > > > important considerations are Anukul-graha gem choosing and flawless

> > > > gems - 100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe clean is an acceptable

> > > range

> > > > in our experience. Always exercise CAUTION with any gem that has

> > > > clarity below 80% loupe clean. Very flawed gems are dead due to

> > > serious

> > > > life-ending defects, and according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a

> > > gem

> > > > with many flaws (even) out of ignorance, then grief, anxiety,

> > > sickness,

> > > > death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri Garuda

> > > Purana:

> > > > 1.70.19

> > > >

> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > > > Designer & Gemologist

> > > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > > > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > > > http://www.themisunderstood.com

> > > > http://www.hrisikesh.com

> > > > http://www.hrisikesh.net

> > > > http://www.p-g-a.org

> > > > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> > > > http://www.generalprem.com

> > > > http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> > > > http://www.sacred-objects.info

> > > > sacred-objects/

> > > > planetary-gemology/

> > > >

> >

> >

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Namaste Bharat Bhayia,

 

Humm, you always stir my lazy & wasted mind.

 

To think of it, perhaps the answer lies in a two-fold. What is real OR

natural anyways ? marble occurs naturally and then there is "re constructed

marble" , the difference ? perhaps just the composition construction...is that

so

much of a crime that suddenly God does not favor it? So carving an Idol of

Vishnu out of white marble that occurs naturally to give it a "shape" to look

like Vishnu creates what the society believes to be "worship worthy", and

then suddenly you chip the nose of that idol and it is a crime, and the Murti

is

rendered worthy less of worship..think about it...

 

I think, the idea in this case is not the stone itself, its the perceived

image ( perception of society or better yet, within ourselves), its the

devotion and respect that arises or should ideally arise in our hearts to look

at

something for concentration purposes and say our prayers.....So then if I was

to decide to worship my 18K white gold cartier watch for venus imagining it to

be mahalaxmi in my mind, would it yield similar results? perhaps not...I

think.

 

As for gems, on logic if I push my lazy mind I can argue alongside yourself,

however, for constructive learning too much logic is stopped at the doorstep

of puranas and vedas, which talk about natural gems. Like you, I have my

own set of questions within, like if the idea is to wear natural gems, then

where and why does shape come in? we can assume a rock to be god and worship it

everyday which people actually do in various parts of India, so why not just

take raw emerald, ruby or whatever it is and wear it..why cut it and facet it

and polish it to give it shape? why create a statue of Vishnu out of it so

to speak...if it is the natural we are after than why not accept feathers and

inclusions within gems as they are Most Naturally there, I did not put them

in there certainly for sure.. why strive for the perceived flawless gem? just

like the flawless Vishnu Idol that looks exactly like Lord vishnu himself,

ofcourse it does not exist you see...So we find parameters to be understood and

believed just because there are- in puranas. For, we use and built on it ,

and create more puranas for life much after us.

 

Apologies for my philosophical sneezing, However if logic is what you are

after, still, then perhaps I will write another mail, another time.

 

The right answer? My guru knows all and I just know to follow him.

 

Namaste

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 3/6/2006 6:29:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

hinduastrology writes:

 

For Sri Gaurav

 

Are the guns drawn out as yet?

:)

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

On 3/6/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Richard

>

> The synthetic gemstones are also made from naturally found material. I

> haven't seen a single scientist fabricate material out of nothingness. So

in

> that sense, they too are from natural material. The clothes we offer the

> diety for the diety to wear are also manmade, so are sweets, etc.

>

> Whether a group or a whole list is against it is not the question. It is

> question of understanding why. Hope you will respond with a plausible

> answer.

>

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srimanji,

> >

> > Namaste!!! If I take a shila and carve it, still the shila material is

> > natural (Godmade). I have never heard of a "man-made" stone being

> > carved into a deity form and worshipped. Usually it is carved from wood

> > or marble, etc., even cast from metal, which are all natural materials,

> > not man made. I am not the only person who thinks synthetic gems are

> > useless. The Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > http://www.p-g-a.org even has a ruling against recommending synthetic

> > imitation stones for jyotish use. "Synthetic gem" is a contadiction in

> > terms because a gem is by definition a "naturally occuring object"

> > (Ref. Color Encyclopedia of Gemstones).

> >

> > If you know of any astrologers who recommend synthetic stones for

> > jyotish please inform the PGA (Planetary Gemologists Association) - The

> > Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > http://www.p-g-a.org so those persons can be placed on the OFF-LIST.

> >

> > Best rgds,

> > Richard

> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> >

> > > Message: 14

> > > Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:18:11 +0530

> > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology

> > > Re: Jyotish Gems: Anukulvad v/s Pratikulvad

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > >

> > > We take a shila and carve a diety. We do praanpratishtha and worship

> > > the

> > > diety. A man made rock is worshipped as a diety and has brilliant

> > > effects.

> > > Why do you feel synthetic (or man made) gemstones will not have any

> > > effects?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > > On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing

> > > > philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

> > > >

> > > > ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should

> > > be

> > > > chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

> > > >

> > > > PRATIKULA-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems

> > > > should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

> > > >

> > > > Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or harnessing

> > > > one's auspicious or Anukul planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own

> > > sign,

> > > > benefic, great friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.) based

> > > on

> > > > the concept that lucky planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are

> > > > basically two broad categories of planetary position, viz.,

> > > favorable

> > > > (to the chart) - Anukul OR unfavorable (to the chart) - Pratikul.

> > > One

> > > > should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

> > > > "Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most desirable

> > > > planet. Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who

> > > is

> > > > exalted (100% strength) and posited in the 9th house which is all

> > > very

> > > > auspicious. That person would be advised to use a fine ruby, the

> > > Sun's

> > > > gem, to attract or harness his auspicious influence. On the other

> > > hand

> > > > if a person had Saturn debilitated (0% strength) and in the 8th

> > > house

> > > > they would be advised to avoid Saturn's gem blue sapphire and all

> > > other

> > > > Saturnine things or activities. And better still they could donate

> > > a

> > > > blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The followers of Anukul-vad

> > > believe

> > > > that the pratikul-graha color is the unlucky color, and to magnify

> > > that

> > > > bad color will simply increase the problems caused by that unlucky

> > > > Planet. Both methods believe that gems increase cosmic colors of

> > > their

> > > > planets, thus for an Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to

> > > increase

> > > > a pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a

> > > > Pratikul (harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be worn

> > > as

> > > > it will surely increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a

> > > Pratikul

> > > > planet can be used by DONATING them - giving them AWAY - according

> > > to

> > > > Shastric directions. A pure anukuli believes that a pratikul-gem is

> > > > NEVER good to use; it is increasing the cosmic poison, and ill

> > > fortune

> > > > (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER be increased. Anukul

> > > means a

> > > > planet that is beneficially disposed either by being strong in own

> > > > sign, good house, ruler of houses which will bring positive

> > > results, or

> > > > otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil influence.

> > > A

> > > > planet which is good for the chart either naturally or by house

> > > ruler

> > > > ship yet somewhat weakened by placement may be strengthened through

> > > the

> > > > gem, or a planet which already is strong and giving benefic

> > > influence

> > > > may be further strengthened for gains in particular areas of life

> > > by

> > > > wearing the gem.

> > > >

> > > > Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for strengthening a weak or

> > > evil

> > > > planet, based on the misconception that a 'pratikul' (inauspicious)

> > > > planet is strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it changes

> > > from

> > > > being inauspicious (pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul).

> > > ILLOGIC:

> > > > By providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will

> > > follow.

> > > > Example: A person has Jupiter debilitated and a malefic which is

> > > > inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing Jupiter's gem, yellow

> > > sapphire

> > > > or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed that the 'weak'

> > > > (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to become

> > > > auspicious. Pratikul means a planet that causes evil influence or

> > > > suffering to the native as seen through the horoscope. This may be

> > > a

> > > > debilitated planet who is in a dusthana and enemy of the lord of

> > > the

> > > > lagna, or otherwise disposed that the influence simply causes

> > > > suffering.

> > > >

> > > > Choosing gems which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart)

> > > as

> > > > well as clean (amala) and auspicious, these two are a MUST in

> > > planetary

> > > > gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the prohibition against astrological

> > > use

> > > > of synthetics is the least of all PG evils as synthetics have no

> > > > harmful effect because they have NO effect whatsoever. The most

> > > > important considerations are Anukul-graha gem choosing and flawless

> > > > gems - 100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe clean is an acceptable

> > > range

> > > > in our experience. Always exercise CAUTION with any gem that has

> > > > clarity below 80% loupe clean. Very flawed gems are dead due to

> > > serious

> > > > life-ending defects, and according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a

> > > gem

> > > > with many flaws (even) out of ignorance, then grief, anxiety,

> > > sickness,

> > > > death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri Garuda

> > > Purana:

> > > > 1.70.19

> > > >

> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

> > > > Designer & Gemologist

> > > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > > > http://www.agt-gems.com

> > > > http://www.astralgemstonetalismans.com

> > > > http://www.themisunderstood.com

> > > > http://www.hrisikesh.com

> > > > http://www.hrisikesh.net

> > > > http://www.p-g-a.org

> > > > http://www.satyavrat-shastri.net

> > > > http://www.generalprem.com

> > > > http://www.navaratna-museum.info

> > > > http://www.sacred-objects.info

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Respected August group members,

First of all I will like to remind Shri Richard Shaw Brown that I am the member

of PGA since 2002 who have clearly given his consent for Synthetic gems because

I believe in colour of the gems not in gems. The colour therapy is successful

therapy in naturopthy used even in America. Our puranas recommends "Haldi"

turmeric node for Jupiter or yellow clothe or yellow pumpkin to be doneted, Tila

or mustard oil or iron etc black in colour for Saturn, Blue flowers for Rahu.

our puranas and in astrology colour of each planet has been described to meet

the requirement of each class of the society. We are here not to suffer but to

live in peace or to attain peace and evolve to the higher level of Mind

Adhyatma.I feel it is useless to argue for flaw less precious stone only. It

depends on the Desh, Kala and Patra. One thing is must that the native should be

relived of the trouble and it depends on the status of the native and

availability of the article. I am sorry for interruption in the debat

and beg paradon for the same.

with warm regards.

Dr.S.C.Kursija

yobrevol wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Namaste Bharat Bhayia,

 

Humm, you always stir my lazy & wasted mind.

 

To think of it, perhaps the answer lies in a two-fold. What is real OR

natural anyways ? marble occurs naturally and then there is "re constructed

marble" , the difference ? perhaps just the composition construction...is that

so

much of a crime that suddenly God does not favor it? So carving an Idol of

Vishnu out of white marble that occurs naturally to give it a "shape" to look

like Vishnu creates what the society believes to be "worship worthy", and

then suddenly you chip the nose of that idol and it is a crime, and the Murti

is

rendered worthy less of worship..think about it...

 

I think, the idea in this case is not the stone itself, its the perceived

image ( perception of society or better yet, within ourselves), its the

devotion and respect that arises or should ideally arise in our hearts to look

at

something for concentration purposes and say our prayers.....So then if I was

to decide to worship my 18K white gold cartier watch for venus imagining it to

be mahalaxmi in my mind, would it yield similar results? perhaps not...I

think.

 

As for gems, on logic if I push my lazy mind I can argue alongside yourself,

however, for constructive learning too much logic is stopped at the doorstep

of puranas and vedas, which talk about natural gems. Like you, I have my

own set of questions within, like if the idea is to wear natural gems, then

where and why does shape come in? we can assume a rock to be god and worship

it

everyday which people actually do in various parts of India, so why not just

take raw emerald, ruby or whatever it is and wear it..why cut it and facet it

and polish it to give it shape? why create a statue of Vishnu out of it so

to speak...if it is the natural we are after than why not accept feathers and

inclusions within gems as they are Most Naturally there, I did not put them

in there certainly for sure.. why strive for the perceived flawless gem? just

like the flawless Vishnu Idol that looks exactly like Lord vishnu himself,

ofcourse it does not exist you see...So we find parameters to be understood

and

believed just because there are- in puranas. For, we use and built on it ,

and create more puranas for life much after us.

 

Apologies for my philosophical sneezing, However if logic is what you are

after, still, then perhaps I will write another mail, another time.

 

The right answer? My guru knows all and I just know to follow him.

 

Namaste

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 3/6/2006 6:29:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

hinduastrology writes:

 

For Sri Gaurav

 

Are the guns drawn out as yet?

:)

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

On 3/6/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Richard

>

> The synthetic gemstones are also made from naturally found material. I

> haven't seen a single scientist fabricate material out of nothingness. So

in

> that sense, they too are from natural material. The clothes we offer the

> diety for the diety to wear are also manmade, so are sweets, etc.

>

> Whether a group or a whole list is against it is not the question. It is

> question of understanding why. Hope you will respond with a plausible

> answer.

>

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srimanji,

> >

> > Namaste!!! If I take a shila and carve it, still the shila material is

> > natural (Godmade). I have never heard of a "man-made" stone being

> > carved into a deity form and worshipped. Usually it is carved from wood

> > or marble, etc., even cast from metal, which are all natural materials,

> > not man made. I am not the only person who thinks synthetic gems are

> > useless. The Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > http://www.p-g-a.org even has a ruling against recommending synthetic

> > imitation stones for jyotish use. "Synthetic gem" is a contadiction in

> > terms because a gem is by definition a "naturally occuring object"

> > (Ref. Color Encyclopedia of Gemstones).

> >

> > If you know of any astrologers who recommend synthetic stones for

> > jyotish please inform the PGA (Planetary Gemologists Association) - The

> > Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > http://www.p-g-a.org so those persons can be placed on the OFF-LIST.

> >

> > Best rgds,

> > Richard

> > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> >

> > > Message: 14

> > > Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:18:11 +0530

> > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology

> > > Re: Jyotish Gems: Anukulvad v/s Pratikulvad

> > >

> > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > >

> > > We take a shila and carve a diety. We do praanpratishtha and worship

> > > the

> > > diety. A man made rock is worshipped as a diety and has brilliant

> > > effects.

> > > Why do you feel synthetic (or man made) gemstones will not have any

> > > effects?

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > > On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing

> > > > philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

> > > >

> > > > ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should

> > > be

> > > > chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

> > > >

> > > > PRATIKULA-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems

> > > > should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

> > > >

> > > > Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or harnessing

> > > > one's auspicious or Anukul planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own

> > > sign,

> > > > benefic, great friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.) based

> > > on

> > > > the concept that lucky planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are

> > > > basically two broad categories of planetary position, viz.,

> > > favorable

> > > > (to the chart) - Anukul OR unfavorable (to the chart) - Pratikul.

> > > One

> > > > should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

> > > > "Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most desirable

> > > > planet. Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who

> > > is

> > > > exalted (100% strength) and posited in the 9th house which is all

> > > very

> > > > auspicious. That person would be advised to use a fine ruby, the

> > > Sun's

> > > > gem, to attract or harness his auspicious influence. On the other

> > > hand

> > > > if a person had Saturn debilitated (0% strength) and in the 8th

> > > house

> > > > they would be advised to avoid Saturn's gem blue sapphire and all

> > > other

> > > > Saturnine things or activities. And better still they could donate

> > > a

> > > > blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The followers of Anukul-vad

> > > believe

> > > > that the pratikul-graha color is the unlucky color, and to magnify

> > > that

> > > > bad color will simply increase the problems caused by that unlucky

> > > > Planet. Both methods believe that gems increase cosmic colors of

> > > their

> > > > planets, thus for an Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to

> > > increase

> > > > a pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a

> > > > Pratikul (harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be worn

> > > as

> > > > it will surely increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a

> > > Pratikul

> > > > planet can be used by DONATING them - giving them AWAY - according

> > > to

> > > > Shastric directions. A pure anukuli believes that a pratikul-gem is

> > > > NEVER good to use; it is increasing the cosmic poison, and ill

> > > fortune

> > > > (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER be increased. Anukul

> > > means a

> > > > planet that is beneficially disposed either by being strong in own

> > > > sign, good house, ruler of houses which will bring positive

> > > results, or

> > > > otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil influence.

> > > A

> > > > planet which is good for the chart either naturally or by house

> > > ruler

> > > > ship yet somewhat weakened by placement may be strengthened through

> > > the

> > > > gem, or a planet which already is strong and giving benefic

> > > influence

> > > > may be further strengthened for gains in particular areas of life

> > > by

> > > > wearing the gem.

> > > >

> > > > Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for strengthening a weak or

> > > evil

> > > > planet, based on the misconception that a 'pratikul' (inauspicious)

> > > > planet is strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it changes

> > > from

> > > > being inauspicious (pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul).

> > > ILLOGIC:

> > > > By providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will

> > > follow.

> > > > Example: A person has Jupiter debilitated and a malefic which is

> > > > inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing Jupiter's gem, yellow

> > > sapphire

> > > > or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed that the 'weak'

> > > > (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to become

> > > > auspicious. Pratikul means a planet that causes evil influence or

> > > > suffering to the native as seen through the horoscope. This may be

> > > a

> > > > debilitated planet who is in a dusthana and enemy of the lord of

> > > the

> > > > lagna, or otherwise disposed that the influence simply causes

> > > > suffering.

> > > >

> > > > Choosing gems which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart)

> > > as

> > > > well as clean (amala) and auspicious, these two are a MUST in

> > > planetary

> > > > gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the prohibition against astrological

> > > use

> > > > of synthetics is the least of all PG evils as synthetics have no

> > > > harmful effect because they have NO effect whatsoever. The most

> > > > important considerations are Anukul-graha gem choosing and flawless

> > > > gems - 100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe clean is an acceptable

> > > range

> > > > in our experience. Always exercise CAUTION with any gem that has

> > > > clarity below 80% loupe clean. Very flawed gems are dead due to

> > > serious

> > > > life-ending defects, and according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a

> > > gem

> > > > with many flaws (even) out of ignorance, then grief, anxiety,

> > > sickness,

> > > > death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri Garuda

> > > Purana:

> > > > 1.70.19

> > > >

> > > > Richard Shaw-Brown, PG

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Namaskaar Sri Gaurav

 

Very good and I admire the way you have analyzed this. The credit should go

to you and your Guru. Its like you are holding a gun in one hand and a sword

in the other. :)

 

To the one who do not have associations in the mind, the said rules do not

apply. To those who are concerned about the associations - the said rules

shall apply. For example, how many people can eat their food in a bed pan!?!

See how the association works.

 

However, my concern was against one particular statement - "Synthetic

gemstones have no effects". The effect is there, but we do not have any

reference to understand their effects. Puranas couldn't have written about

not using synthetics as they weren't being produced that time. When Sastra

know-how is missing, we tend to infer based on physical, chemical, and other

properties or we can experiment.

 

That is why I continuously say, do not arrive to conclusions so quickly

about something we have no clue about. Our assumptions can close our mind to

any further research. Best to keep the mind open!

 

Talking of statues and uncarved rock, there was a time when Sri Ramakrishna

Paramhamsa took his beloved Sri Narendranath to a sculptor and asked him,

while pointing to a rock,- "What do you see?" Swami Vivekananda, then

Narendranath, replied - "A Rock". Sri Ramakrishna very lovingly asked the

sculptor what he saw and he replied - Ma Durga. This was a great lesson for

Sri Narendranath.

 

We are letting go of infinite possibilities by calling one thing holy and

another non-holy. Which is better - to strengthen the associations or to

break them in time?

 

Even if something is unholy, will it not have effects? - This is the

statement being made -"Synthetic gemstones have no effects".

 

Having said the above, It is best to follow your Guru's advice as breaking

associations is not an easy task but never close your eyes to the

possibility. I hope you got your answer about Cubic Zirconia which you had

asked me earlier :)

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

On 3/7/06, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote:

>

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Namaste Bharat Bhayia,

>

> Humm, you always stir my lazy & wasted mind.

>

> To think of it, perhaps the answer lies in a two-fold. What is real OR

> natural anyways ? marble occurs naturally and then there is "re

> constructed

> marble" , the difference ? perhaps just the composition construction...is

> that so

> much of a crime that suddenly God does not favor it? So carving an Idol

> of

> Vishnu out of white marble that occurs naturally to give it a "shape" to

> look

> like Vishnu creates what the society believes to be "worship worthy", and

>

> then suddenly you chip the nose of that idol and it is a crime, and the

> Murti is

> rendered worthy less of worship..think about it...

>

> I think, the idea in this case is not the stone itself, its the perceived

>

> image ( perception of society or better yet, within ourselves), its the

> devotion and respect that arises or should ideally arise in our hearts to

> look at

> something for concentration purposes and say our prayers.....So then if I

> was

> to decide to worship my 18K white gold cartier watch for venus imagining

> it to

> be mahalaxmi in my mind, would it yield similar results? perhaps not...I

> think.

>

> As for gems, on logic if I push my lazy mind I can argue alongside

> yourself,

> however, for constructive learning too much logic is stopped at the

> doorstep

> of puranas and vedas, which talk about natural gems. Like you, I have my

>

> own set of questions within, like if the idea is to wear natural gems,

> then

> where and why does shape come in? we can assume a rock to be god and

> worship it

> everyday which people actually do in various parts of India, so why not

> just

> take raw emerald, ruby or whatever it is and wear it..why cut it and

> facet it

> and polish it to give it shape? why create a statue of Vishnu out of it

> so

> to speak...if it is the natural we are after than why not accept feathers

> and

> inclusions within gems as they are Most Naturally there, I did not put

> them

> in there certainly for sure.. why strive for the perceived flawless gem?

> just

> like the flawless Vishnu Idol that looks exactly like Lord vishnu

> himself,

> ofcourse it does not exist you see...So we find parameters to be

> understood and

> believed just because there are- in puranas. For, we use and built on it

> ,

> and create more puranas for life much after us.

>

> Apologies for my philosophical sneezing, However if logic is what you are

>

> after, still, then perhaps I will write another mail, another time.

>

> The right answer? My guru knows all and I just know to follow him.

>

> Namaste

> Gaurav

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2006 6:29:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>

> hinduastrology writes:

>

> For Sri Gaurav

>

> Are the guns drawn out as yet?

> :)

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 3/6/06, Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> >

> > The synthetic gemstones are also made from naturally found material. I

> > haven't seen a single scientist fabricate material out of nothingness.

> So

> in

> > that sense, they too are from natural material. The clothes we offer

> the

> > diety for the diety to wear are also manmade, so are sweets, etc.

> >

> > Whether a group or a whole list is against it is not the question. It

> is

> > question of understanding why. Hope you will respond with a plausible

> > answer.

> >

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Srimanji,

> > >

> > > Namaste!!! If I take a shila and carve it, still the shila material

> is

> > > natural (Godmade). I have never heard of a "man-made" stone being

> > > carved into a deity form and worshipped. Usually it is carved from

> wood

> > > or marble, etc., even cast from metal, which are all natural

> materials,

> > > not man made. I am not the only person who thinks synthetic gems are

> > > useless. The Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > > http://www.p-g-a.org even has a ruling against recommending synthetic

> > > imitation stones for jyotish use. "Synthetic gem" is a contadiction

> in

> > > terms because a gem is by definition a "naturally occuring object"

> > > (Ref. Color Encyclopedia of Gemstones).

> > >

> > > If you know of any astrologers who recommend synthetic stones for

> > > jyotish please inform the PGA (Planetary Gemologists Association) -

> The

> > > Graha anukul-ratna-vishesajna parishad

> > > http://www.p-g-a.org so those persons can be placed on the OFF-LIST.

> > >

> > > Best rgds,

> > > Richard

> > > http://www.richardshawbrown.com

> > >

> > > > Message: 14

> > > > Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:18:11 +0530

> > > > "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology

>

> > > > Re: Jyotish Gems: Anukulvad v/s Pratikulvad

> > > >

> > > > Namaskaar Sri Richard

> > > >

> > > > We take a shila and carve a diety. We do praanpratishtha and

> worship

> > > > the

> > > > diety. A man made rock is worshipped as a diety and has brilliant

> > > > effects.

> > > > Why do you feel synthetic (or man made) gemstones will not have any

> > > > effects?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 3/6/06, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing

> > > > > philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

> > > > >

> > > > > ANUKULA-VAD: A gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems

> should

> > > > be

> > > > > chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

> > > > >

> > > > > PRATIKULA-VAD: A gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems

> > > > > should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

> > > > >

> > > > > Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or

> harnessing

> > > > > one's auspicious or Anukul planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own

> > > > sign,

> > > > > benefic, great friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.)

> based

> > > > on

> > > > > the concept that lucky planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are

> > > > > basically two broad categories of planetary position, viz.,

> > > > favorable

> > > > > (to the chart) - Anukul OR unfavorable (to the chart) - Pratikul.

> > > > One

> > > > > should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

> > > > > "Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most

> desirable

> > > > > planet. Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who

> > > > is

> > > > > exalted (100% strength) and posited in the 9th house which is all

> > > > very

> > > > > auspicious. That person would be advised to use a fine ruby, the

> > > > Sun's

> > > > > gem, to attract or harness his auspicious influence. On the other

> > > > hand

> > > > > if a person had Saturn debilitated (0% strength) and in the 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > they would be advised to avoid Saturn's gem blue sapphire and all

> > > > other

> > > > > Saturnine things or activities. And better still they could

> donate

> > > > a

> > > > > blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The followers of Anukul-vad

> > > > believe

> > > > > that the pratikul-graha color is the unlucky color, and to

> magnify

> > > > that

> > > > > bad color will simply increase the problems caused by that

> unlucky

> > > > > Planet. Both methods believe that gems increase cosmic colors of

> > > > their

> > > > > planets, thus for an Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to

> > > > increase

> > > > > a pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a

> > > > > Pratikul (harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be

> worn

> > > > as

> > > > > it will surely increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a

> > > > Pratikul

> > > > > planet can be used by DONATING them - giving them AWAY -

> according

> > > > to

> > > > > Shastric directions. A pure anukuli believes that a pratikul-gem

> is

> > > > > NEVER good to use; it is increasing the cosmic poison, and ill

> > > > fortune

> > > > > (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER be increased. Anukul

> > > > means a

> > > > > planet that is beneficially disposed either by being strong in

> own

> > > > > sign, good house, ruler of houses which will bring positive

> > > > results, or

> > > > > otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil

> influence.

> > > > A

> > > > > planet which is good for the chart either naturally or by house

> > > > ruler

> > > > > ship yet somewhat weakened by placement may be strengthened

> through

> > > > the

> > > > > gem, or a planet which already is strong and giving benefic

> > > > influence

> > > > > may be further strengthened for gains in particular areas of life

> > > > by

> > > > > wearing the gem.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for strengthening a weak or

> > > > evil

> > > > > planet, based on the misconception that a 'pratikul'

> (inauspicious)

> > > > > planet is strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it

> changes

> > > > from

> > > > > being inauspicious (pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul).

> > > > ILLOGIC:

> > > > > By providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will

> > > > follow.

> > > > > Example: A person has Jupiter debilitated and a malefic which is

> > > > > inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing Jupiter's gem, yellow

> > > > sapphire

> > > > > or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed that the 'weak'

> > > > > (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to become

> > > > > auspicious. Pratikul means a planet that causes evil influence or

> > > > > suffering to the native as seen through the horoscope. This may

> be

> > > > a

> > > > > debilitated planet who is in a dusthana and enemy of the lord of

> > > > the

> > > > > lagna, or otherwise disposed that the influence simply causes

> > > > > suffering.

> > > > >

> > > > > Choosing gems which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart)

> > > > as

> > > > > well as clean (amala) and auspicious, these two are a MUST in

> > > > planetary

> > > > > gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the prohibition against astrological

> > > > use

> > > > > of synthetics is the least of all PG evils as synthetics have no

> > > > > harmful effect because they have NO effect whatsoever. The most

> > > > > important considerations are Anukul-graha gem choosing and

> flawless

> > > > > gems - 100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe clean is an acceptable

> > > > range

> > > > > in our experience. Always exercise CAUTION with any gem that has

> > > > > clarity below 80% loupe clean. Very flawed gems are dead due to

> > > > serious

> > > > > life-ending defects, and according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a

> > > > gem

> > > > > with many flaws (even) out of ignorance, then grief, anxiety,

> > > > sickness,

> > > > > death, loss of wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri

> Garuda

> > > > Purana:

> > > > > 1.70.19

> > > > >

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