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Dear Poojaji:

 

You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!! No

devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt,

though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier post.

I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

 

Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my posts?

......Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said that

reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results I

have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do not

pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa.

 

Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately after

completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada. It

has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written

under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a severe

Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to the

philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

 

Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You will

find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version of

Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional culture

and the culture of the times in which the work was composed.......

Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally means

"It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction of

being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself during

the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It is a

faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT HAPPENED;

This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita Maanasa-

spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many centuries;

it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man making

him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of Lord's

Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits and

many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital of

particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results

based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was

compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version

written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of

ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated

with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case with

inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to the

bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the original

in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and

again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two works

are equal and none is inferior to the other.

 

Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, chanting

of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly

devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of

bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on the

vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic mantras

have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected

results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full

definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu

Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when giving

the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

 

I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja

> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Moortiji,

>

> Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> But I fail to understand one thing

> Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should be

equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the book.

Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> Dont you agree with this?

>

> Regards,

>

> dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer wrote:

> Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

>

> I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> composition).

>

> The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> but the procedures and the effects that I have

> referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> Sanskrit composition.

>

> I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> per your request.

>

> Blessed be.

>

>

> --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51 wrote:

>

> > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> >

> > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> >

> > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > appreciations.

> >

> > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> >

> > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > reference.

> >

> > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > referring the same or something else.

> >

> > Kindly clarify.

> >

> > Thanks and best regards,

> >

> > Vijay Kumar

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail

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Dear Moortiji,

 

Thanks very much for prompt response.

Does this implies that intentions of writer of book has a profound impact on

the book?

Since sri valmikiji wrote after doing tapasya and sri tulsidas ji did it for

own spiritual drive reading their respective books will carry impact

accordingly?

 

Regards,

 

dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote:

Dear Poojaji:

 

You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!! No

devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt,

though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier post.

I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

 

Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my posts?

......Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said that

reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results I

have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do not

pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa.

 

Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately after

completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada. It

has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written

under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a severe

Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to the

philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

 

Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You will

find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version of

Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional culture

and the culture of the times in which the work was composed.......

Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally means

"It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction of

being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself during

the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It is a

faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT HAPPENED;

This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita Maanasa-

spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many centuries;

it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man making

him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of Lord's

Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits and

many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital of

particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results

based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was

compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version

written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of

ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated

with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case with

inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to the

bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the original

in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and

again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two works

are equal and none is inferior to the other.

 

Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, chanting

of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly

devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of

bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on the

vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic mantras

have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected

results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full

definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu

Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when giving

the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

 

I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja

> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Moortiji,

>

> Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> But I fail to understand one thing

> Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should be

equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the book.

Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> Dont you agree with this?

>

> Regards,

>

> dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer wrote:

> Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

>

> I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> composition).

>

> The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> but the procedures and the effects that I have

> referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> Sanskrit composition.

>

> I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> per your request.

>

> Blessed be.

>

>

> --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51 wrote:

>

> > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> >

> > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> >

> > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > appreciations.

> >

> > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> >

> > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > reference.

> >

> > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > referring the same or something else.

> >

> > Kindly clarify.

> >

> > Thanks and best regards,

> >

> > Vijay Kumar

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail

> > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> attachments.

>

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

>

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>

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Dear Poojaaji:

 

Both Sage Vaalmiiki and Shri Tulsi Daas were God-realized souls and

had the previlege of having the darshan of Lord Raamaa..... Raama

Charita Maanasaa's acceptance is associated with a miraculous event

that happened when the Pandits of that day refused to acknowledge its

greatness.....and I will be the last person to deny it.....What I had

tried to convey in my posts were only my views based on traditional

customs and puraanaas......I am not the authority to decide on the

comparitive value of the works of those two great souls! The best way

to judge the efficacy is possibly to try out both renderings and

seeing the effects accruing from them on an experimental basis.....

But, honestly I would not recommend such clinical treatment to such

classical works on the Lord!

 

If devotion to Lord Raama is the only driving force behind the desire

to recite Raamaayana, then simple chanting of the Lord's name is more

than enough!

 

I will give you a short form of Raamaayana if the story of the Lord is

what is so important, then there are other versions shorter than even

Shri Tulsi's version.....Raama Naama Raamaayanam sthothra is very

popular that combines the story of Lord Raama and also the chanting of

Raama naama and is believed to be highly effective.

 

It is better for each person to follow their own beliefs in this

regard instead of discussing endlessly regarding the comparitive

benefits of different forms of recital. When I wrote about Sundara

Kaandam, it was to answer the specific query of some one who had some

doubts regarding that.....My posts should be understood to be in that

context!

 

Blessed be.

 

vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja

> wrote:

>

> Dear Moortiji,

>

> Thanks very much for prompt response.

> Does this implies that intentions of writer of book has a profound

impact on the book?

> Since sri valmikiji wrote after doing tapasya and sri tulsidas ji

did it for own spiritual drive reading their respective books will

carry impact accordingly?

>

> Regards,

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote:

> Dear Poojaji:

>

> You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!! No

> devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt,

> though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier

post.

> I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

>

> Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my

posts?

> .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said

that

> reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results I

> have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do not

> pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa.

>

> Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately after

> completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada.

It

> has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written

> under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a

severe

> Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to

the

> philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

>

> Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You

will

> find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version of

> Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional culture

> and the culture of the times in which the work was composed.......

> Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally means

> "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction of

> being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself

during

> the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It is

a

> faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

HAPPENED;

> This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita

Maanasa-

> spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

centuries;

> it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man

making

> him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of Lord's

> Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits

and

> many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital

of

> particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results

> based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was

> compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

> Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version

> written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of

> ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated

> with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case

with

> inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to the

> bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

original

> in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and

> again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two works

> are equal and none is inferior to the other.

>

> Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

chanting

> of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly

> devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of

> bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on the

> vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic

mantras

> have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected

> results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full

> definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu

> Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when giving

> the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

>

> I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja@

> > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> >

> > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > But I fail to understand one thing

> > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should be

> equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the

book.

> Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > Dont you agree with this?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> >

> > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > composition).

> >

> > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > Sanskrit composition.

> >

> > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > per your request.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

> >

> > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> >

> > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > >

> > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > >

> > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > appreciations.

> > >

> > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > >

> > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > reference.

> > >

> > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > referring the same or something else.

> > >

> > > Kindly clarify.

> > >

> > > Thanks and best regards,

> > >

> > > Vijay Kumar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > attachments.

> >

> >

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DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

 

What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us.

HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the

subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

ramayan.

 

I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

(especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for recitation)

should not be used for parayan and only original version should be

done.

 

The original version will be having the vibrational value of the

mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg.,

Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik

values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in the

regional versions.

 

No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual values

attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a

pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s)

which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with

it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman

himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author

from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies

associated with this song are somewhat different from those offered

by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of

one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

 

Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

results.

 

regards,

 

Kishore patnaik

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Dear Poojaji:

>

> You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!!

No

> devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt,

> though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier

post.

> I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

>

> Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my

posts?

> .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said

that

> reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results

I

> have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do

not

> pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa.

>

> Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately

after

> completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada.

It

> has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written

> under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a

severe

> Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to

the

> philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

>

> Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You

will

> find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version

of

> Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

culture

> and the culture of the times in which the work was composed.......

> Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally

means

> "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction

of

> being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself

during

> the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It

is a

> faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

HAPPENED;

> This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita

Maanasa-

> spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

centuries;

> it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man

making

> him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

Lord's

> Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits

and

> many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital

of

> particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results

> based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was

> compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

> Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version

> written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of

> ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated

> with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case

with

> inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to

the

> bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

original

> in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and

> again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two

works

> are equal and none is inferior to the other.

>

> Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

chanting

> of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly

> devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of

> bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on

the

> vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic

mantras

> have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected

> results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full

> definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu

> Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

giving

> the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

>

> I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja@

> > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> >

> > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > But I fail to understand one thing

> > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should

be

> equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the

book.

> Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > Dont you agree with this?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> >

> > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > composition).

> >

> > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > Sanskrit composition.

> >

> > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > per your request.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

> >

> > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> >

> > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > >

> > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > >

> > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > appreciations.

> > >

> > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > >

> > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > reference.

> > >

> > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > referring the same or something else.

> > >

> > > Kindly clarify.

> > >

> > > Thanks and best regards,

> > >

> > > Vijay Kumar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > attachments.

> >

> >

> > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> >

> >

> >

> > ________

> > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to

http://.

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> > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

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Dear Kishoreji,

 

A small story:

Source:

http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

 

 

"Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka

Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this

sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth,

I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition

of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the

Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts

of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman

wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious

by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was

Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh

and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some

regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the

advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I

travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due

to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive

her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival

was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of

finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at

Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of

Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This

led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of

eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded

and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

Sutra."

 

In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya

may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

 

It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations

etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

 

However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti

that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his

own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

 

Thanks

 

Souvik

 

 

vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

>

> What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us.

> HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the

> subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> ramayan.

>

> I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

recitation)

> should not be used for parayan and only original version should be

> done.

>

> The original version will be having the vibrational value of the

> mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg.,

> Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik

> values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in

the

> regional versions.

>

> No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

values

> attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a

> pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s)

> which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with

> it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman

> himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author

> from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies

> associated with this song are somewhat different from those

offered

> by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of

> one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

>

> Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> results.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Poojaji:

> >

> > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

so?!!!!

> No

> > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

doubt,

> > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier

> post.

> > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> >

> > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my

> posts?

> > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said

> that

> > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

results

> I

> > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do

> not

> > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa.

> >

> > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately

> after

> > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

Naarada.

> It

> > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

written

> > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a

> severe

> > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition

to

> the

> > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> >

> > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You

> will

> > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

version

> of

> > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> culture

> > and the culture of the times in which the work was

composed.......

> > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally

> means

> > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

distinction

> of

> > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself

> during

> > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It

> is a

> > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> HAPPENED;

> > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita

> Maanasa-

> > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> centuries;

> > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man

> making

> > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> Lord's

> > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

pandits

> and

> > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

recital

> of

> > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

results

> > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was

> > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

> > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

version

> > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas

of

> > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

associated

> > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

case

> with

> > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to

> the

> > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> original

> > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and

> > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two

> works

> > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> >

> > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> chanting

> > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

highly

> > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of

> > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on

> the

> > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic

> mantras

> > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected

> > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full

> > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

Vaayu

> > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> giving

> > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> >

> > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> >

> > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

<its_me_pooja@

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > >

> > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

should

> be

> > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the

> book.

> > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > Dont you agree with this?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > >

> > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > composition).

> > >

> > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > Sanskrit composition.

> > >

> > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > per your request.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > >

> > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > >

> > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > appreciations.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > >

> > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > reference.

> > > >

> > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > >

> > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Vijay Kumar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mail

> > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > > attachments.

> > >

> > >

> > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________

> > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to

> http://.

> > shaadi.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

> astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> (AT) (DOT)

> > com

> > >

> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology

> horoscope

> > Astrology software

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Student Souvik:

 

A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a

very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be

empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a casual

conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use

based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and dharma,

there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in 2011/

2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta"

<explore_vulcan wrote:

>

> Dear Kishoreji,

>

> A small story:

> Source:

> http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

>

>

> "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

> have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka

> Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this

> sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth,

> I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

> Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition

> of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the

> Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

> lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts

> of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman

> wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious

> by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

> went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was

> Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

> continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh

> and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some

> regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the

> advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I

> travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

> youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due

> to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive

> her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

> Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival

> was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of

> finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at

> Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

> hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of

> Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

> requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This

> led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

> several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of

> eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded

> and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

> Sutra."

>

> In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya

> may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

> reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

>

> It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations

> etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

>

> However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

> even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti

> that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

> write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his

> own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

>

> Thanks

>

> Souvik

>

>

> vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> >

> > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us.

> > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the

> > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> > ramayan.

> >

> > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> recitation)

> > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be

> > done.

> >

> > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the

> > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg.,

> > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik

> > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in

> the

> > regional versions.

> >

> > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

> values

> > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a

> > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s)

> > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with

> > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman

> > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author

> > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies

> > associated with this song are somewhat different from those

> offered

> > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of

> > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> >

> > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> > results.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Poojaji:

> > >

> > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> so?!!!!

> > No

> > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

> doubt,

> > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier

> > post.

> > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > >

> > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my

> > posts?

> > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said

> > that

> > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

> results

> > I

> > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do

> > not

> > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa.

> > >

> > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately

> > after

> > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> Naarada.

> > It

> > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

> written

> > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a

> > severe

> > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition

> to

> > the

> > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > >

> > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You

> > will

> > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

> version

> > of

> > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> > culture

> > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> composed.......

> > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally

> > means

> > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> distinction

> > of

> > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself

> > during

> > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It

> > is a

> > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> > HAPPENED;

> > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita

> > Maanasa-

> > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> > centuries;

> > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man

> > making

> > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> > Lord's

> > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

> pandits

> > and

> > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

> recital

> > of

> > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

> results

> > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was

> > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

> > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

> version

> > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas

> of

> > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> associated

> > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

> case

> > with

> > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to

> > the

> > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> > original

> > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and

> > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two

> > works

> > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > >

> > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> > chanting

> > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

> highly

> > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of

> > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on

> > the

> > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic

> > mantras

> > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected

> > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full

> > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

> Vaayu

> > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> > giving

> > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > >

> > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> <its_me_pooja@

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > >

> > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

> should

> > be

> > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the

> > book.

> > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > >

> > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > composition).

> > > >

> > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > >

> > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > per your request.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > appreciations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > >

> > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Vijay Kumar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mail

> > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > > > attachments.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to

> > http://.

> > > shaadi.com

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> > > >

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Souvik,

 

Can I conclude that since "Bhakti" is the ingredient which drove valmikiji and

tulsidasji to write different versions of Ramayana both have same remedial

effects if recited with bhakti bhav by the native.

Secondly, if vibrations of ramayana written by valmikiji has different aspect

than it shud be only applicable to original version and not the once published

later.

 

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

Regards,

 

 

dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote:

Dear Student Souvik:

 

A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a

very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be

empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a casual

conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use

based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and dharma,

there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in 2011/

2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta"

<explore_vulcan wrote:

>

> Dear Kishoreji,

>

> A small story:

> Source:

> http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

>

>

> "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

> have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka

> Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this

> sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth,

> I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

> Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition

> of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the

> Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

> lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts

> of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman

> wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious

> by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

> went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was

> Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

> continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh

> and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some

> regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the

> advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I

> travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

> youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due

> to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive

> her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

> Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival

> was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of

> finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at

> Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

> hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of

> Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

> requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This

> led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

> several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of

> eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded

> and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

> Sutra."

>

> In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya

> may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

> reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

>

> It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations

> etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

>

> However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

> even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti

> that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

> write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his

> own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

>

> Thanks

>

> Souvik

>

>

> vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> >

> > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us.

> > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the

> > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> > ramayan.

> >

> > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> recitation)

> > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be

> > done.

> >

> > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the

> > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg.,

> > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik

> > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in

> the

> > regional versions.

> >

> > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

> values

> > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a

> > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s)

> > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with

> > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman

> > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author

> > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies

> > associated with this song are somewhat different from those

> offered

> > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of

> > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> >

> > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> > results.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Poojaji:

> > >

> > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> so?!!!!

> > No

> > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

> doubt,

> > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier

> > post.

> > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > >

> > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my

> > posts?

> > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said

> > that

> > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

> results

> > I

> > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do

> > not

> > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa.

> > >

> > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately

> > after

> > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> Naarada.

> > It

> > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

> written

> > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a

> > severe

> > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition

> to

> > the

> > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > >

> > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You

> > will

> > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

> version

> > of

> > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> > culture

> > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> composed.......

> > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally

> > means

> > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> distinction

> > of

> > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself

> > during

> > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It

> > is a

> > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> > HAPPENED;

> > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita

> > Maanasa-

> > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> > centuries;

> > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man

> > making

> > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> > Lord's

> > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

> pandits

> > and

> > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

> recital

> > of

> > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

> results

> > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was

> > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

> > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

> version

> > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas

> of

> > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> associated

> > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

> case

> > with

> > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to

> > the

> > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> > original

> > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and

> > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two

> > works

> > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > >

> > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> > chanting

> > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

> highly

> > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of

> > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on

> > the

> > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic

> > mantras

> > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected

> > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full

> > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

> Vaayu

> > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> > giving

> > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > >

> > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> <its_me_pooja@

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > >

> > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

> should

> > be

> > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the

> > book.

> > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > >

> > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > composition).

> > > >

> > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > >

> > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > per your request.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > appreciations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > >

> > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Vijay Kumar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mail

> > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > > > attachments.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to

> > http://.

> > > shaadi.com

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Respected Sir,

 

I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama Rao.

I play it almost every day and get goose bumps every

time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry

when the Sita mata's state is described in the song.

Listening to this song gives so many emotions. This is

really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should

listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I just

couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's out

of topic.

Regards,

Archana

 

--- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

 

> DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

>

> What you say certainly holds water and understood by

> some of us.

> HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to

> understand the

> subtle difference between rama charita manas and the

> valmiki

> ramayan.

>

> I have seen many asking me why is that the regional

> versions

> (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I

> advocate for recitation)

> should not be used for parayan and only original

> version should be

> done.

>

> The original version will be having the vibrational

> value of the

> mantras which are not existing in the regional

> versions. For eg.,

> Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and

> hence, many mantrik

> values associated with it, which I dont think will

> be present in the

> regional versions.

>

> No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own

> spiritual values

> attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha

> kavya written by a

> pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we

> have the

> Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the

> '70s or '80s)

> which has great vibrational value due to the music

> associated with

> it. It became very famous during those days. It is

> said Hanuman

> himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the

> physical author

> from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet,

> the remedies

> associated with this song are somewhat different

> from those offered

> by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters

> to freeing of

> one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

>

> Every remedy has its own results. We \should not

> mix up these

> results.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

vedic astrology,

> "dakshinastrologer"

> <dakshinastrologer wrote:

> >

> > Dear Poojaji:

> >

> > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do

> you say so?!!!!

> No

> > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a

> genuine doubt,

> > though the clarification of this doubt is already

> in my earlier

> post.

> > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita

> Maanasaa.

> >

> > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita

> Maanasa in my

> posts?

> > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have

> explicitly said

> that

> > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But,

> then the results

> I

> > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam

> definitely do

> not

> > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama

> Charita Maanasa.

> >

> > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki

> immediately

> after

> > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva

> Rishi Naarada.

> It

> > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as

> it was written

> > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who

> had completed a

> severe

> > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are

> in addition to

> the

> > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> >

> > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi

> literature. You

> will

> > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the

> original version

> of

> > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the

> regional

> culture

> > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> composed.......

> > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas (

> Ithihaas literally

> means

> > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has

> the distinction

> of

> > being recited before the August presence of Shri

> Raama himself

> during

> > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His

> own Sons. It

> is a

> > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri

> Raama AS IT

> HAPPENED;

> > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit

> special).

> > There is no doubt that this singular work - The

> Raama Charita

> Maanasa-

> > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt

> for many

> centuries;

> > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of

> the common man

> making

> > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting

> the story of

> Lord's

> > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend

> on greedy pandits

> and

> > many people have benefited by its recital. But,

> when I say recital

> of

> > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such

> and such results

> > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa

> (incidentally, this was

> > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the

> other epic -

> > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original

> Sanskrit version

> > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a

> thousand replicas of

> > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and

> sentiment associated

> > with the original can never ever be replicated.

> Same is the case

> with

> > inspired regional writings.....They gain their

> prominence due to

> the

> > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot

> equal the

> original

> > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have

> said time and

> > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual

> fervour, these two

> works

> > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> >

> > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik

> works in that,

> chanting

> > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your

> attitude is highly

> > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in

> an attitude of

> > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature

> relies mainly on

> the

> > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and

> other puranic

> mantras

> > have to be chanted with the right intonation to

> get the expected

> > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita

> Maanasa

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Dear Archanaaji:

 

Your mail is very much in the context of our discussion.......You

are confirming what many experts of this recital have always

experienced.......Words cannot amply describe the feelings of a

devotee who enjoys the Nectar of the Story of the Lord! Blessed are

you to enjoy goose bumps on hearing the recital as it means that you

are able to merge yourself in that recital.

 

The chapter describing the state of Sitaa Maata in Sundara Kaandam

is a very moving one.....and definitely it will move most people to

tears. Though the chapter seems to be a sad one, the fruits of

reciting this chapter will make you joyful in life as it is reputed to

improve your prospects in business. This chapter should be recited

on Friday evenings. The offering for this procedure is "Tamarind

Rice".

 

I hope this pointer will help the forum members who are facing tough

financial or business situations. I have personally benefited by this

recital.

 

Blessed be.

 

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology, Archana <raobusiness

wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

>

> I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama Rao.

> I play it almost every day and get goose bumps every

> time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry

> when the Sita mata's state is described in the song.

> Listening to this song gives so many emotions. This is

> really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should

> listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I just

> couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's out

> of topic.

> Regards,

> Archana

>

> --- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> >

> > What you say certainly holds water and understood by

> > some of us.

> > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to

> > understand the

> > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the

> > valmiki

> > ramayan.

> >

> > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional

> > versions

> > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I

> > advocate for recitation)

> > should not be used for parayan and only original

> > version should be

> > done.

> >

> > The original version will be having the vibrational

> > value of the

> > mantras which are not existing in the regional

> > versions. For eg.,

> > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and

> > hence, many mantrik

> > values associated with it, which I dont think will

> > be present in the

> > regional versions.

> >

> > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own

> > spiritual values

> > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha

> > kavya written by a

> > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we

> > have the

> > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the

> > '70s or '80s)

> > which has great vibrational value due to the music

> > associated with

> > it. It became very famous during those days. It is

> > said Hanuman

> > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the

> > physical author

> > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet,

> > the remedies

> > associated with this song are somewhat different

> > from those offered

> > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters

> > to freeing of

> > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> >

> > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not

> > mix up these

> > results.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology,

> > "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Poojaji:

> > >

> > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do

> > you say so?!!!!

> > No

> > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a

> > genuine doubt,

> > > though the clarification of this doubt is already

> > in my earlier

> > post.

> > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita

> > Maanasaa.

> > >

> > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita

> > Maanasa in my

> > posts?

> > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have

> > explicitly said

> > that

> > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But,

> > then the results

> > I

> > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam

> > definitely do

> > not

> > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama

> > Charita Maanasa.

> > >

> > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki

> > immediately

> > after

> > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva

> > Rishi Naarada.

> > It

> > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as

> > it was written

> > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who

> > had completed a

> > severe

> > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are

> > in addition to

> > the

> > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > >

> > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi

> > literature. You

> > will

> > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the

> > original version

> > of

> > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the

> > regional

> > culture

> > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> > composed.......

> > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas (

> > Ithihaas literally

> > means

> > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has

> > the distinction

> > of

> > > being recited before the August presence of Shri

> > Raama himself

> > during

> > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His

> > own Sons. It

> > is a

> > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri

> > Raama AS IT

> > HAPPENED;

> > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit

> > special).

> > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The

> > Raama Charita

> > Maanasa-

> > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt

> > for many

> > centuries;

> > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of

> > the common man

> > making

> > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting

> > the story of

> > Lord's

> > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend

> > on greedy pandits

> > and

> > > many people have benefited by its recital. But,

> > when I say recital

> > of

> > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such

> > and such results

> > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa

> > (incidentally, this was

> > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the

> > other epic -

> > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original

> > Sanskrit version

> > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a

> > thousand replicas of

> > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and

> > sentiment associated

> > > with the original can never ever be replicated.

> > Same is the case

> > with

> > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their

> > prominence due to

> > the

> > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot

> > equal the

> > original

> > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have

> > said time and

> > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual

> > fervour, these two

> > works

> > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > >

> > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik

> > works in that,

> > chanting

> > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your

> > attitude is highly

> > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in

> > an attitude of

> > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature

> > relies mainly on

> > the

> > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and

> > other puranic

> > mantras

> > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to

> > get the expected

> > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita

> > Maanasa

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Dear Souvikji,

Well done! spoken like a true Bhakta. It is music to my ears as I

have only Bhakti with me and nothing else.

Regards

Nalini

vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta"

<explore_vulcan wrote:

>

> Dear Kishoreji,

>

> A small story:

> Source:

> http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

>

>

> "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

> have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the

Sanaka

> Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this

> sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the

earth,

> I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

> Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the

condition

> of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the

> Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

> lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts

> of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young

woman

> wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay

unconscious

> by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

> went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was

> Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

> continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh

> and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some

> regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the

> advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I

> travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

> youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony

due

> to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive

> her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

> Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight

revival

> was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of

> finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at

> Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

> hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition

of

> Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

> requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This

> led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

> several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of

> eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded

> and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

> Sutra."

>

> In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya

> may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

> reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

>

> It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and

vibrations

> etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

>

> However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

> even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti

> that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

> write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his

> own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

>

> Thanks

>

> Souvik

>

>

> vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> >

> > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> >

> > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us.

> > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the

> > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> > ramayan.

> >

> > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> recitation)

> > should not be used for parayan and only original version should

be

> > done.

> >

> > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the

> > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For

eg.,

> > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many

mantrik

> > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in

> the

> > regional versions.

> >

> > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

> values

> > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by

a

> > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s

or '80s)

> > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated

with

> > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman

> > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author

> > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies

> > associated with this song are somewhat different from those

> offered

> > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing

of

> > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> >

> > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> > results.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Poojaji:

> > >

> > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> so?!!!!

> > No

> > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

> doubt,

> > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my

earlier

> > post.

> > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > >

> > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my

> > posts?

> > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly

said

> > that

> > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

> results

> > I

> > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely

do

> > not

> > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita

Maanasa.

> > >

> > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately

> > after

> > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> Naarada.

> > It

> > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

> written

> > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed

a

> > severe

> > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition

> to

> > the

> > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > >

> > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature.

You

> > will

> > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

> version

> > of

> > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> > culture

> > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> composed.......

> > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally

> > means

> > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> distinction

> > of

> > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself

> > during

> > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons.

It

> > is a

> > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> > HAPPENED;

> > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita

> > Maanasa-

> > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> > centuries;

> > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man

> > making

> > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> > Lord's

> > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

> pandits

> > and

> > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

> recital

> > of

> > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

> results

> > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this

was

> > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

 

> > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

> version

> > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas

> of

> > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> associated

> > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

> case

> > with

> > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due

to

> > the

> > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> > original

> > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time

and

> > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two

> > works

> > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > >

> > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> > chanting

> > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

> highly

> > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude

of

> > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly

on

> > the

> > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic

> > mantras

> > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the

expected

> > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in

full

> > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

> Vaayu

> > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> > giving

> > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > >

> > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> <its_me_pooja@

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > >

> > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

> should

> > be

> > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written

the

> > book.

> > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > >

> > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > composition).

> > > >

> > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > >

> > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > per your request.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > appreciations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > >

> > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and best regards,

> > > > >

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Poojaji,

Forgive me if I am intruding. If you would grasp the inner meaning

of Souvikji's parable, uttering of the Divine name of the Lord in

true *Bhakti*, it being the operative word, has the power of

cleansing away of clouds of ignorance and let the true light of the

Sun in.

Again as Guruji, Dakshinamoortiji, has said, if you (are fortunate

enough,as for as I am concerned)can recite valmikiji's version with

all its mantras it would no doubt have its own beneficial effects.

But for people who cannot do that a simple bhakti filled namasmarana

of the Lord would suffice as it gives samppoorna Aananda.

Pardon me if I am wrong as it is my own opinion

Regards

Nalini

vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

<its_me_pooja wrote:

>

> Souvik,

>

> Can I conclude that since "Bhakti" is the ingredient which drove

valmikiji and tulsidasji to write different versions of Ramayana

both have same remedial effects if recited with bhakti bhav by the

native.

> Secondly, if vibrations of ramayana written by valmikiji has

different aspect than it shud be only applicable to original version

and not the once published later.

>

> Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Regards,

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote:

> Dear Student Souvik:

>

> A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a

> very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be

> empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a

casual

> conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use

> based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and

dharma,

> there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in

2011/

> 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta"

> <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kishoreji,

> >

> > A small story:

> > Source:

> > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

> >

> >

> > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

> > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the

Sanaka

> > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for

this

> > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the

earth,

> > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

> > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the

condition

> > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling

the

> > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

> > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the

hearts

> > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young

woman

> > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay

unconscious

> > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

> > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she

was

> > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

> > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida

desh

> > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in

some

> > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to

the

> > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish.

I

> > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

> > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony

due

> > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to

revive

> > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

> > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight

revival

> > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her

of

> > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival

at

> > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

> > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the

exposition of

> > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

> > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar.

This

> > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

> > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers

of

> > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were

herded

> > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

> > Sutra."

> >

> > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and

vairagya

> > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

> > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

> >

> > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and

vibrations

> > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

> >

> > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

> > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was

bhakti

> > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

> > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte

his

> > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> > >

> > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> > >

> > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of

us.

> > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand

the

> > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> > > ramayan.

> > >

> > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> > recitation)

> > > should not be used for parayan and only original version

should be

> > > done.

> > >

> > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of

the

> > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For

eg.,

> > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many

mantrik

> > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present

in

> > the

> > > regional versions.

> > >

> > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

> > values

> > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written

by a

> > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s

or '80s)

> > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated

with

> > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said

Hanuman

> > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical

author

> > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the

remedies

> > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those

> > offered

> > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing

of

> > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> > >

> > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> > > results.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Poojaji:

> > > >

> > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> > so?!!!!

> > > No

> > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

> > doubt,

> > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my

earlier

> > > post.

> > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > > >

> > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in

my

> > > posts?

> > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly

said

> > > that

> > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

> > results

> > > I

> > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely

do

> > > not

> > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita

Maanasa.

> > > >

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki

immediately

> > > after

> > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> > Naarada.

> > > It

> > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

> > written

> > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had

completed a

> > > severe

> > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in

addition

> > to

> > > the

> > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > > >

> > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature.

You

> > > will

> > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

> > version

> > > of

> > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> > > culture

> > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> > composed.......

> > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas

literally

> > > means

> > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> > distinction

> > > of

> > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama

himself

> > > during

> > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own

Sons. It

> > > is a

> > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> > > HAPPENED;

> > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama

Charita

> > > Maanasa-

> > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> > > centuries;

> > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common

man

> > > making

> > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> > > Lord's

> > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

> > pandits

> > > and

> > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

> > recital

> > > of

> > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

> > results

> > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this

was

> > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other

epic -

> > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

> > version

> > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand

replicas

> > of

> > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> > associated

> > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

> > case

> > > with

> > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence

due to

> > > the

> > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> > > original

> > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time

and

> > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these

two

> > > works

> > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > > >

> > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> > > chanting

> > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

> > highly

> > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an

attitude of

> > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies

mainly on

> > > the

> > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other

puranic

> > > mantras

> > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the

expected

> > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in

full

> > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

> > Vaayu

> > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> > > giving

> > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > > >

> > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> > <its_me_pooja@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

> > should

> > > be

> > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written

the

> > > book.

> > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > > composition).

> > > > >

> > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > > >

> > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > > per your request.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > > appreciations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > > reference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and best regards,

> > > > > >

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Guruver,

 

It is indeed your modesty and big-heartedness by which you say good

things about half-learned humans like me.

 

However, I am happy to remain foreover your student, nothing more :)

 

Pranam

 

Souvik

 

vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Dear Student Souvik:

>

> A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a

> very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be

> empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a

casual

> conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use

> based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and

dharma,

> there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in

2011/

> 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta"

> <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kishoreji,

> >

> > A small story:

> > Source:

> > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

> >

> >

> > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

> > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the

Sanaka

> > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for

this

> > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the

earth,

> > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

> > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the

condition

> > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling

the

> > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

> > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the

hearts

> > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young

woman

> > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay

unconscious

> > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

> > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she

was

> > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

> > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida

desh

> > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in

some

> > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to

the

> > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish.

I

> > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

> > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony

due

> > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to

revive

> > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

> > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight

revival

> > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her

of

> > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival

at

> > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

> > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the

exposition of

> > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

> > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar.

This

> > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

> > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers

of

> > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were

herded

> > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

> > Sutra."

> >

> > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and

vairagya

> > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

> > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

> >

> > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and

vibrations

> > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

> >

> > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

> > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was

bhakti

> > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

> > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte

his

> > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> > >

> > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> > >

> > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of

us.

> > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand

the

> > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> > > ramayan.

> > >

> > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> > recitation)

> > > should not be used for parayan and only original version

should be

> > > done.

> > >

> > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of

the

> > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For

eg.,

> > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many

mantrik

> > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present

in

> > the

> > > regional versions.

> > >

> > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

> > values

> > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written

by a

> > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s

or '80s)

> > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated

with

> > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said

Hanuman

> > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical

author

> > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the

remedies

> > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those

> > offered

> > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing

of

> > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> > >

> > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> > > results.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Poojaji:

> > > >

> > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> > so?!!!!

> > > No

> > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

> > doubt,

> > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my

earlier

> > > post.

> > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > > >

> > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in

my

> > > posts?

> > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly

said

> > > that

> > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

> > results

> > > I

> > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely

do

> > > not

> > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita

Maanasa.

> > > >

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki

immediately

> > > after

> > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> > Naarada.

> > > It

> > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

> > written

> > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had

completed a

> > > severe

> > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in

addition

> > to

> > > the

> > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > > >

> > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature.

You

> > > will

> > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

> > version

> > > of

> > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> > > culture

> > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> > composed.......

> > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas

literally

> > > means

> > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> > distinction

> > > of

> > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama

himself

> > > during

> > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own

Sons. It

> > > is a

> > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> > > HAPPENED;

> > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama

Charita

> > > Maanasa-

> > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> > > centuries;

> > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common

man

> > > making

> > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> > > Lord's

> > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

> > pandits

> > > and

> > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

> > recital

> > > of

> > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

> > results

> > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this

was

> > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other

epic -

> > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

> > version

> > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand

replicas

> > of

> > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> > associated

> > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

> > case

> > > with

> > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence

due to

> > > the

> > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> > > original

> > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time

and

> > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these

two

> > > works

> > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > > >

> > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> > > chanting

> > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

> > highly

> > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an

attitude of

> > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies

mainly on

> > > the

> > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other

puranic

> > > mantras

> > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the

expected

> > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in

full

> > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

> > Vaayu

> > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> > > giving

> > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > > >

> > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> > <its_me_pooja@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

> > should

> > > be

> > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written

the

> > > book.

> > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > > composition).

> > > > >

> > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > > >

> > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > > per your request.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > > appreciations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > > reference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > > >

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Dear Pooja ji,

 

Your question is on the path of gyana.

 

In that respect, Guruver Dakshinamurthy has already answered your

query.

 

Bhakti bhava cannot be brought, according to me. It has to be there

always.

 

Yes, chapters 1 and 8 of Valmiki Ramayana are later additions. Yes,

other portions have also gone thru amendments.

 

I will give you an example of bhakti.

 

Thakur (Ramakrishna Paramshana) once shouted to his disciples-"Aure

Krishna je Kalio shey" meaning "Krishna and Kali is same and one".

 

Bhakti is something like you shout "Jai Shree Krishna" after

listening to the complete Valmiki Ramyana. For you Krishna and Rama

is the same.

 

Bhakti is headless, non-judegemental and in wordly terms very very

stupid.

 

Have you seen lovers today? Do they have any logic in what they do-

write on walls, on railway platforms and even cut their hands. That

too is an expression of prem and bhakti, but directed to a person of

flesh and blood. When that very headlessness is directed to the

Supreme, one finds himself in Him.

 

Did you know a perefect male like Sri Chaitaniya Mahaprabhu cried in

bhakti saying "I am Radha". What will you say this in the eyes of

gyana? Is their any logic in this behaviour? :) That is bhakti.

 

The path of gyana is of bhrahmanas, the path of vairagya is of

rishis and the path of bhakti is of bhakts? Devarshi Narad is

Devarshi because of his bhakti.

 

I have drifted a lot from the topic but would like to end with one

question.

 

If "speaking" the mantras were so important then why did Maharshis

keep mauna vrata? :)

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

 

vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

<its_me_pooja wrote:

>

> Souvik,

>

> Can I conclude that since "Bhakti" is the ingredient which drove

valmikiji and tulsidasji to write different versions of Ramayana

both have same remedial effects if recited with bhakti bhav by the

native.

> Secondly, if vibrations of ramayana written by valmikiji has

different aspect than it shud be only applicable to original version

and not the once published later.

>

> Correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Regards,

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote:

> Dear Student Souvik:

>

> A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a

> very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be

> empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a

casual

> conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use

> based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and

dharma,

> there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in

2011/

> 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta"

> <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kishoreji,

> >

> > A small story:

> > Source:

> > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

> >

> >

> > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

> > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the

Sanaka

> > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for

this

> > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the

earth,

> > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

> > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the

condition

> > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling

the

> > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

> > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the

hearts

> > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young

woman

> > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay

unconscious

> > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

> > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she

was

> > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

> > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida

desh

> > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in

some

> > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to

the

> > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish.

I

> > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

> > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony

due

> > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to

revive

> > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

> > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight

revival

> > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her

of

> > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival

at

> > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

> > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the

exposition of

> > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

> > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar.

This

> > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

> > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers

of

> > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were

herded

> > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

> > Sutra."

> >

> > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and

vairagya

> > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

> > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

> >

> > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and

vibrations

> > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

> >

> > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

> > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was

bhakti

> > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

> > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte

his

> > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> > >

> > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> > >

> > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of

us.

> > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand

the

> > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> > > ramayan.

> > >

> > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> > recitation)

> > > should not be used for parayan and only original version

should be

> > > done.

> > >

> > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of

the

> > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For

eg.,

> > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many

mantrik

> > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present

in

> > the

> > > regional versions.

> > >

> > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

> > values

> > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written

by a

> > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s

or '80s)

> > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated

with

> > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said

Hanuman

> > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical

author

> > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the

remedies

> > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those

> > offered

> > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing

of

> > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> > >

> > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> > > results.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Poojaji:

> > > >

> > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> > so?!!!!

> > > No

> > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

> > doubt,

> > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my

earlier

> > > post.

> > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > > >

> > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in

my

> > > posts?

> > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly

said

> > > that

> > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

> > results

> > > I

> > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely

do

> > > not

> > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita

Maanasa.

> > > >

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki

immediately

> > > after

> > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> > Naarada.

> > > It

> > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

> > written

> > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had

completed a

> > > severe

> > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in

addition

> > to

> > > the

> > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > > >

> > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature.

You

> > > will

> > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

> > version

> > > of

> > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> > > culture

> > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> > composed.......

> > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas

literally

> > > means

> > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> > distinction

> > > of

> > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama

himself

> > > during

> > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own

Sons. It

> > > is a

> > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> > > HAPPENED;

> > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama

Charita

> > > Maanasa-

> > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> > > centuries;

> > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common

man

> > > making

> > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> > > Lord's

> > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

> > pandits

> > > and

> > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

> > recital

> > > of

> > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

> > results

> > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this

was

> > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other

epic -

> > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

> > version

> > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand

replicas

> > of

> > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> > associated

> > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

> > case

> > > with

> > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence

due to

> > > the

> > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> > > original

> > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time

and

> > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these

two

> > > works

> > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > > >

> > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> > > chanting

> > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

> > highly

> > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an

attitude of

> > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies

mainly on

> > > the

> > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other

puranic

> > > mantras

> > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the

expected

> > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in

full

> > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

> > Vaayu

> > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> > > giving

> > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > > >

> > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> > <its_me_pooja@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

> > should

> > > be

> > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written

the

> > > book.

> > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > > composition).

> > > > >

> > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > > >

> > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > > per your request.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > > appreciations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > > reference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vijay Kumar

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How are Bhakti and Jnana different?

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

On 3/16/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote:

>

> Dear Kishoreji,

>

> A small story:

> Source:

> http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

>

>

> "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

> have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka

> Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this

> sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth,

> I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

> Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition

> of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the

> Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

> lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts

> of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman

> wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious

> by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

> went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was

> Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

> continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh

> and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some

> regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the

> advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I

> travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

> youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due

> to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive

> her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

> Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival

> was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of

> finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at

> Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

> hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of

> Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

> requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This

> led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

> several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of

> eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded

> and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

> Sutra."

>

> In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya

> may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

> reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

>

> It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations

> etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

>

> However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

> even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti

> that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

> write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his

> own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

>

> Thanks

>

> Souvik

>

>

> vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

>

> <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

> >

> > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> >

> > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us.

> > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the

> > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> > ramayan.

> >

> > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> recitation)

> > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be

> > done.

> >

> > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the

> > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg.,

> > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik

> > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in

> the

> > regional versions.

> >

> > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

> values

> > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a

> > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s)

> > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with

> > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman

> > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author

> > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies

> > associated with this song are somewhat different from those

> offered

> > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of

> > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> >

> > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> > results.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Poojaji:

> > >

> > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> so?!!!!

> > No

> > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

> doubt,

> > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier

> > post.

> > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > >

> > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my

> > posts?

> > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said

> > that

> > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

> results

> > I

> > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do

> > not

> > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa.

> > >

> > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately

> > after

> > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> Naarada.

> > It

> > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

> written

> > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a

> > severe

> > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition

> to

> > the

> > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > >

> > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You

> > will

> > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

> version

> > of

> > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> > culture

> > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> composed.......

> > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally

> > means

> > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> distinction

> > of

> > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself

> > during

> > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It

> > is a

> > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> > HAPPENED;

> > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita

> > Maanasa-

> > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> > centuries;

> > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man

> > making

> > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> > Lord's

> > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

> pandits

> > and

> > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

> recital

> > of

> > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

> results

> > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was

> > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic -

> > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

> version

> > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas

> of

> > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> associated

> > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

> case

> > with

> > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to

> > the

> > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> > original

> > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and

> > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two

> > works

> > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > >

> > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> > chanting

> > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

> highly

> > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of

> > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on

> > the

> > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic

> > mantras

> > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected

> > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full

> > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

> Vaayu

> > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> > giving

> > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > >

> > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> <its_me_pooja@

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > >

> > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

> should

> > be

> > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the

> > book.

> > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > >

> > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > composition).

> > > >

> > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > >

> > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > per your request.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > appreciations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > >

> > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and best regards,

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vedic astrology, Archana <raobusiness

wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

>

> I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama Rao.

> I play it almost every day and get goose bumps every

> time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry

> when the Sita mata's state is described in the song.

> Listening to this song gives so many emotions. This is

> really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should

> listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I just

> couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's out

> of topic.

> Regards,

> Archana

>

> --- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> >

> > What you say certainly holds water and understood by

> > some of us.

> > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to

> > understand the

> > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the

> > valmiki

> > ramayan.

> >

> > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional

> > versions

> > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I

> > advocate for recitation)

> > should not be used for parayan and only original

> > version should be

> > done.

> >

> > The original version will be having the vibrational

> > value of the

> > mantras which are not existing in the regional

> > versions. For eg.,

> > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and

> > hence, many mantrik

> > values associated with it, which I dont think will

> > be present in the

> > regional versions.

> >

> > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own

> > spiritual values

> > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha

> > kavya written by a

> > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we

> > have the

> > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the

> > '70s or '80s)

> > which has great vibrational value due to the music

> > associated with

> > it. It became very famous during those days. It is

> > said Hanuman

> > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the

> > physical author

> > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet,

> > the remedies

> > associated with this song are somewhat different

> > from those offered

> > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters

> > to freeing of

> > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> >

> > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not

> > mix up these

> > results.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology,

> > "dakshinastrologer"

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Poojaji:

> > >

> > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do

> > you say so?!!!!

> > No

> > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a

> > genuine doubt,

> > > though the clarification of this doubt is already

> > in my earlier

> > post.

> > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita

> > Maanasaa.

> > >

> > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita

> > Maanasa in my

> > posts?

> > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have

> > explicitly said

> > that

> > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But,

> > then the results

> > I

> > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam

> > definitely do

> > not

> > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama

> > Charita Maanasa.

> > >

> > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki

> > immediately

> > after

> > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva

> > Rishi Naarada.

> > It

> > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as

> > it was written

> > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who

> > had completed a

> > severe

> > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are

> > in addition to

> > the

> > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > >

> > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi

> > literature. You

> > will

> > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the

> > original version

> > of

> > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the

> > regional

> > culture

> > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> > composed.......

> > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas (

> > Ithihaas literally

> > means

> > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has

> > the distinction

> > of

> > > being recited before the August presence of Shri

> > Raama himself

> > during

> > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His

> > own Sons. It

> > is a

> > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri

> > Raama AS IT

> > HAPPENED;

> > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit

> > special).

> > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The

> > Raama Charita

> > Maanasa-

> > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt

> > for many

> > centuries;

> > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of

> > the common man

> > making

> > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting

> > the story of

> > Lord's

> > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend

> > on greedy pandits

> > and

> > > many people have benefited by its recital. But,

> > when I say recital

> > of

> > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such

> > and such results

> > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa

> > (incidentally, this was

> > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the

> > other epic -

> > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original

> > Sanskrit version

> > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a

> > thousand replicas of

> > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and

> > sentiment associated

> > > with the original can never ever be replicated.

> > Same is the case

> > with

> > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their

> > prominence due to

> > the

> > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot

> > equal the

> > original

> > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have

> > said time and

> > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual

> > fervour, these two

> > works

> > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > >

> > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik

> > works in that,

> > chanting

> > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your

> > attitude is highly

> > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in

> > an attitude of

> > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature

> > relies mainly on

> > the

> > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and

> > other puranic

> > mantras

> > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to

> > get the expected

> > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita

> > Maanasa

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Namaskar Bharatji,

 

What a wonderful question!

 

If you get a chance, do listen to the Kaalachakra audio of Pandit

Sanjay Rath.

 

Astrologically, Jnana is the domain of Jupiter and the planet that

can take nearest to Bhakti is Ketu, however Sun is equally important.

 

Please let me know if "Love thy enemy as thyself" a language of

Jnana or Bhakti?

 

However, if your definition of Jana also includes "Love thy enemy as

thyself", you are definitely talking about bhakti. But in bhakti it

doesn't matter what you call it-in jnana you need quotes and logic.

 

If Padma Puran has stated Bhakti has the mother of Jnana and

Vairagya, there surely was a reason for this personification, don't

you think?

 

There is 100% differentiation between Jnana and Bhakti from the

prespective of Jnana and there is no difference even between you and

me from the prespective of Bhakti...such things are very difficult

to write and explain in mails..because this very domain is that of

Jnana:):)

 

Will eagerly await your views...

 

Thanks

 

Souvik

 

vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology"

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri Souvik

>

> How are Bhakti and Jnana different?

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 3/16/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kishoreji,

> >

> > A small story:

> > Source:

> > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

> >

> >

> > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I

> > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the

Sanaka

> > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for

this

> > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the

earth,

> > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar,

> > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the

condition

> > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling

the

> > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the

> > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the

hearts

> > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young

woman

> > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay

unconscious

> > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I

> > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she

was

> > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She

> > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida

desh

> > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in

some

> > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to

the

> > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I

> > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my

> > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony

due

> > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to

revive

> > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri

> > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight

revival

> > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her

of

> > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival

at

> > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On

> > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the

exposition of

> > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and

> > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This

> > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where

> > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers

of

> > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded

> > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth

> > Sutra."

> >

> > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and

vairagya

> > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to

> > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

> >

> > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and

vibrations

> > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana.

> >

> > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"?

> > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti

> > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas

> > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte

his

> > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> >

> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> > >

> > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> > >

> > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of

us.

> > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand

the

> > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki

> > > ramayan.

> > >

> > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions

> > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> > recitation)

> > > should not be used for parayan and only original version

should be

> > > done.

> > >

> > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of

the

> > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For

eg.,

> > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many

mantrik

> > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present

in

> > the

> > > regional versions.

> > >

> > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual

> > values

> > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written

by a

> > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the

> > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s

or '80s)

> > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated

with

> > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman

> > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical

author

> > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies

> > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those

> > offered

> > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing

of

> > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> > >

> > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these

> > > results.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Poojaji:

> > > >

> > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> > so?!!!!

> > > No

> > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine

> > doubt,

> > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my

earlier

> > > post.

> > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > > >

> > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in

my

> > > posts?

> > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly

said

> > > that

> > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the

> > results

> > > I

> > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely

do

> > > not

> > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita

Maanasa.

> > > >

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki

immediately

> > > after

> > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> > Naarada.

> > > It

> > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was

> > written

> > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had

completed a

> > > severe

> > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in

addition

> > to

> > > the

> > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > > >

> > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature.

You

> > > will

> > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original

> > version

> > > of

> > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional

> > > culture

> > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> > composed.......

> > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally

> > > means

> > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> > distinction

> > > of

> > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama

himself

> > > during

> > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own

Sons. It

> > > is a

> > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT

> > > HAPPENED;

> > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special).

> > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita

> > > Maanasa-

> > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many

> > > centuries;

> > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common

man

> > > making

> > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of

> > > Lord's

> > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy

> > pandits

> > > and

> > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say

> > recital

> > > of

> > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such

> > results

> > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this

was

> > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other

epic -

> > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit

> > version

> > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand

replicas

> > of

> > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> > associated

> > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the

> > case

> > > with

> > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence

due to

> > > the

> > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the

> > > original

> > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time

and

> > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these

two

> > > works

> > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > > >

> > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that,

> > > chanting

> > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is

> > highly

> > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an

attitude of

> > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies

mainly on

> > > the

> > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic

> > > mantras

> > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the

expected

> > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in

full

> > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of

> > Vaayu

> > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when

> > > giving

> > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > > >

> > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> > <its_me_pooja@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both

> > should

> > > be

> > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written

the

> > > book.

> > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > > >

> > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > > composition).

> > > > >

> > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > > >

> > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > > per your request.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > > appreciations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > > reference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vijay Kumar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear Sir,

 

Thank you for the kind words. I am a mere mortal who

doesn't have time to recite the sundar kanda. But God

bless the musicians of this CD who have done such a

wonderful service to people by recording it.

Regards,

Archana

 

--- dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer

wrote:

 

> Dear Archanaaji:

>

> Your mail is very much in the context of our

> discussion.......You

> are confirming what many experts of this recital

> have always

> experienced.......Words cannot amply describe the

> feelings of a

> devotee who enjoys the Nectar of the Story of the

> Lord! Blessed are

> you to enjoy goose bumps on hearing the recital as

> it means that you

> are able to merge yourself in that recital.

>

> The chapter describing the state of Sitaa Maata in

> Sundara Kaandam

> is a very moving one.....and definitely it will move

> most people to

> tears. Though the chapter seems to be a sad one,

> the fruits of

> reciting this chapter will make you joyful in life

> as it is reputed to

> improve your prospects in business. This chapter

> should be recited

> on Friday evenings. The offering for this procedure

> is "Tamarind

> Rice".

>

> I hope this pointer will help the forum members who

> are facing tough

> financial or business situations. I have personally

> benefited by this

> recital.

>

> Blessed be.

>

> Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology, Archana

> <raobusiness

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama

> Rao.

> > I play it almost every day and get goose bumps

> every

> > time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry

> > when the Sita mata's state is described in the

> song.

> > Listening to this song gives so many emotions.

> This is

> > really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should

> > listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I

> just

> > couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's

> out

> > of topic.

> > Regards,

> > Archana

> >

> > --- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

> >

> > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> > >

> > > What you say certainly holds water and

> understood by

> > > some of us.

> > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man

> to

> > > understand the

> > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and

> the

> > > valmiki

> > > ramayan.

> > >

> > > I have seen many asking me why is that the

> regional

> > > versions

> > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I

> > > advocate for recitation)

> > > should not be used for parayan and only original

> > > version should be

> > > done.

> > >

> > > The original version will be having the

> vibrational

> > > value of the

> > > mantras which are not existing in the regional

> > > versions. For eg.,

> > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and

> > > hence, many mantrik

> > > values associated with it, which I dont think

> will

> > > be present in the

> > > regional versions.

> > >

> > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its

> own

> > > spiritual values

> > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha

> > > kavya written by a

> > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In

> telugu, we

> > > have the

> > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during

> the

> > > '70s or '80s)

> > > which has great vibrational value due to the

> music

> > > associated with

> > > it. It became very famous during those days. It

> is

> > > said Hanuman

> > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the

> > > physical author

> > > from a strange disease he was suffering from.

> Yet,

> > > the remedies

> > > associated with this song are somewhat different

> > > from those offered

> > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also

> caters

> > > to freeing of

> > > one from debts, disease and materialistic

> problems.

> > >

> > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should

> not

> > > mix up these

> > > results.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology,

> > > "dakshinastrologer"

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Poojaji:

> > > >

> > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why

> do

> > > you say so?!!!!

> > > No

> > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have

> asked a

> > > genuine doubt,

> > > > though the clarification of this doubt is

> already

> > > in my earlier

> > > post.

> > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama

> Charita

> > > Maanasaa.

> > > >

> > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama

> Charita

> > > Maanasa in my

> > > posts?

> > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I

> have

> > > explicitly said

> > > that

> > > > reading the manasa is also

> efficacious......But,

> > > then the results

> > > I

> > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara

> Kaandam

> > > definitely do

> > > not

> > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of

> Raama

> > > Charita Maanasa.

> > > >

> > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage

> Vaalmiiki

> > > immediately

> > > after

> > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of

> Deva

> > > Rishi Naarada.

> > > It

> > > > has the essence of the vedas in it.

> Naturally, as

> > > it was written

> > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage

> who

> > > had completed a

> > > severe

> > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which

> are

> > > in addition to

>

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