Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Poojaji: You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!! No devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt, though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier post. I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my posts? ......Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said that reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results I have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do not pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately after completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada. It has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a severe Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to the philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You will find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version of Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional culture and the culture of the times in which the work was composed....... Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally means "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction of being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself during the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It is a faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT HAPPENED; This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita Maanasa- spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many centuries; it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man making him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of Lord's Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits and many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital of particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case with inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to the bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the original in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two works are equal and none is inferior to the other. Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, chanting of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on the vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic mantras have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when giving the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. Blessed be. Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja > wrote: > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > But I fail to understand one thing > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should be equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the book. Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > Dont you agree with this? > > Regards, > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > composition). > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > but the procedures and the effects that I have > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > Sanskrit composition. > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > per your request. > > Blessed be. > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51 wrote: > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > appreciations. > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > reference. > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > referring the same or something else. > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > Mail > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > attachments. > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > ________ > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Moortiji, Thanks very much for prompt response. Does this implies that intentions of writer of book has a profound impact on the book? Since sri valmikiji wrote after doing tapasya and sri tulsidas ji did it for own spiritual drive reading their respective books will carry impact accordingly? Regards, dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Poojaji: You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!! No devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt, though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier post. I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my posts? ......Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said that reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results I have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do not pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately after completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada. It has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a severe Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to the philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You will find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version of Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional culture and the culture of the times in which the work was composed....... Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally means "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction of being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself during the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It is a faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT HAPPENED; This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita Maanasa- spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many centuries; it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man making him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of Lord's Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits and many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital of particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case with inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to the bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the original in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two works are equal and none is inferior to the other. Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, chanting of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on the vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic mantras have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when giving the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. Blessed be. Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja > wrote: > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > But I fail to understand one thing > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should be equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the book. Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > Dont you agree with this? > > Regards, > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > composition). > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > but the procedures and the effects that I have > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > Sanskrit composition. > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > per your request. > > Blessed be. > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51 wrote: > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > appreciations. > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > reference. > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > referring the same or something else. > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > Mail > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > attachments. > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > ________ > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Poojaaji: Both Sage Vaalmiiki and Shri Tulsi Daas were God-realized souls and had the previlege of having the darshan of Lord Raamaa..... Raama Charita Maanasaa's acceptance is associated with a miraculous event that happened when the Pandits of that day refused to acknowledge its greatness.....and I will be the last person to deny it.....What I had tried to convey in my posts were only my views based on traditional customs and puraanaas......I am not the authority to decide on the comparitive value of the works of those two great souls! The best way to judge the efficacy is possibly to try out both renderings and seeing the effects accruing from them on an experimental basis..... But, honestly I would not recommend such clinical treatment to such classical works on the Lord! If devotion to Lord Raama is the only driving force behind the desire to recite Raamaayana, then simple chanting of the Lord's name is more than enough! I will give you a short form of Raamaayana if the story of the Lord is what is so important, then there are other versions shorter than even Shri Tulsi's version.....Raama Naama Raamaayanam sthothra is very popular that combines the story of Lord Raama and also the chanting of Raama naama and is believed to be highly effective. It is better for each person to follow their own beliefs in this regard instead of discussing endlessly regarding the comparitive benefits of different forms of recital. When I wrote about Sundara Kaandam, it was to answer the specific query of some one who had some doubts regarding that.....My posts should be understood to be in that context! Blessed be. vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja > wrote: > > Dear Moortiji, > > Thanks very much for prompt response. > Does this implies that intentions of writer of book has a profound impact on the book? > Since sri valmikiji wrote after doing tapasya and sri tulsidas ji did it for own spiritual drive reading their respective books will carry impact accordingly? > > Regards, > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Poojaji: > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!! No > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt, > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier post. > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my posts? > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said that > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results I > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do not > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately after > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada. It > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a severe > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to the > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You will > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version of > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional culture > and the culture of the times in which the work was composed....... > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally means > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction of > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself during > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It is a > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT HAPPENED; > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita Maanasa- > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many centuries; > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man making > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of Lord's > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits and > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital of > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case with > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to the > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the original > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two works > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, chanting > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on the > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic mantras > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when giving > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > Blessed be. > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja@ > > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > But I fail to understand one thing > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should be > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the book. > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > Regards, > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > composition). > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > per your request. > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > appreciations. > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > reference. > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > attachments. > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > ________ > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://. > shaadi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) > com > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki ramayan. I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for recitation) should not be used for parayan and only original version should be done. The original version will be having the vibrational value of the mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in the regional versions. No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual values attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies associated with this song are somewhat different from those offered by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these results. regards, Kishore patnaik vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Poojaji: > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!! No > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt, > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier post. > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my posts? > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said that > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results I > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do not > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately after > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada. It > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a severe > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to the > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You will > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version of > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional culture > and the culture of the times in which the work was composed....... > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally means > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction of > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself during > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It is a > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT HAPPENED; > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita Maanasa- > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many centuries; > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man making > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of Lord's > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits and > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital of > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case with > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to the > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the original > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two works > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, chanting > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on the > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic mantras > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when giving > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > Blessed be. > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja@ > > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > But I fail to understand one thing > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should be > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the book. > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > Regards, > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > composition). > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > per your request. > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > appreciations. > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > reference. > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > attachments. > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > ________ > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://. > shaadi.com > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- (AT) (DOT) > com > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Kishoreji, A small story: Source: http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth Sutra." In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! Thanks Souvik vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > ramayan. > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for recitation) > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > done. > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in the > regional versions. > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual values > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > associated with this song are somewhat different from those offered > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > results. > > regards, > > Kishore patnaik vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say so?!!!! > No > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine doubt, > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > post. > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > posts? > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > that > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the results > I > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > not > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > after > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi Naarada. > It > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was written > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > severe > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition to > the > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > will > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original version > of > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > culture > > and the culture of the times in which the work was composed....... > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > means > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the distinction > of > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > during > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > is a > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > HAPPENED; > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > Maanasa- > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > centuries; > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > making > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > Lord's > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy pandits > and > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say recital > of > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such results > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit version > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas of > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment associated > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the case > with > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > the > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > original > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > works > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > chanting > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is highly > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > the > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > mantras > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of Vaayu > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > giving > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both should > be > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > book. > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > composition). > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > per your request. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to > http://. > > shaadi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > (AT) (DOT) > > com > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Student Souvik: A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a casual conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and dharma, there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in 2011/ 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality. Blessed be. Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Dear Kishoreji, > > A small story: > Source: > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > Sutra." > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > ramayan. > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > recitation) > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > done. > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > the > > regional versions. > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > values > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > offered > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > results. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > so?!!!! > > No > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > doubt, > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > post. > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > posts? > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > that > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > results > > I > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > not > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > after > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > Naarada. > > It > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > written > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > severe > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > to > > the > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > will > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > version > > of > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > culture > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > composed....... > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > means > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > distinction > > of > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > during > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > is a > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > HAPPENED; > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > Maanasa- > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > centuries; > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > making > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > Lord's > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > pandits > > and > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > recital > > of > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > results > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > version > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > of > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > associated > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > case > > with > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > the > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > original > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > works > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > chanting > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > highly > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > the > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > mantras > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > Vaayu > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > giving > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > should > > be > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > book. > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to > > http://. > > > shaadi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > (AT) (DOT) > > > com > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Astrology > > horoscope > > > Astrology software > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Souvik, Can I conclude that since "Bhakti" is the ingredient which drove valmikiji and tulsidasji to write different versions of Ramayana both have same remedial effects if recited with bhakti bhav by the native. Secondly, if vibrations of ramayana written by valmikiji has different aspect than it shud be only applicable to original version and not the once published later. Correct me if I am wrong. Regards, dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Student Souvik: A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a casual conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and dharma, there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in 2011/ 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality. Blessed be. Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Dear Kishoreji, > > A small story: > Source: > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > Sutra." > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > ramayan. > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > recitation) > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > done. > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > the > > regional versions. > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > values > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > offered > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > results. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > so?!!!! > > No > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > doubt, > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > post. > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > posts? > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > that > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > results > > I > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > not > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > after > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > Naarada. > > It > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > written > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > severe > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > to > > the > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > will > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > version > > of > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > culture > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > composed....... > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > means > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > distinction > > of > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > during > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > is a > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > HAPPENED; > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > Maanasa- > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > centuries; > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > making > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > Lord's > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > pandits > > and > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > recital > > of > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > results > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > version > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > of > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > associated > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > case > > with > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > the > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > original > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > works > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > chanting > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > highly > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > the > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > mantras > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > Vaayu > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > giving > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > should > > be > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > book. > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Respected Sir, I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama Rao. I play it almost every day and get goose bumps every time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry when the Sita mata's state is described in the song. Listening to this song gives so many emotions. This is really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I just couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's out of topic. Regards, Archana --- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by > some of us. > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to > understand the > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the > valmiki > ramayan. > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional > versions > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I > advocate for recitation) > should not be used for parayan and only original > version should be > done. > > The original version will be having the vibrational > value of the > mantras which are not existing in the regional > versions. For eg., > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and > hence, many mantrik > values associated with it, which I dont think will > be present in the > regional versions. > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own > spiritual values > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha > kavya written by a > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we > have the > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the > '70s or '80s) > which has great vibrational value due to the music > associated with > it. It became very famous during those days. It is > said Hanuman > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the > physical author > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, > the remedies > associated with this song are somewhat different > from those offered > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters > to freeing of > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not > mix up these > results. > > regards, > > Kishore patnaik vedic astrology, > "dakshinastrologer" > <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do > you say so?!!!! > No > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a > genuine doubt, > > though the clarification of this doubt is already > in my earlier > post. > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita > Maanasaa. > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita > Maanasa in my > posts? > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have > explicitly said > that > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, > then the results > I > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam > definitely do > not > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama > Charita Maanasa. > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki > immediately > after > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva > Rishi Naarada. > It > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as > it was written > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who > had completed a > severe > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are > in addition to > the > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi > literature. You > will > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the > original version > of > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the > regional > culture > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > composed....... > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( > Ithihaas literally > means > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has > the distinction > of > > being recited before the August presence of Shri > Raama himself > during > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His > own Sons. It > is a > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri > Raama AS IT > HAPPENED; > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit > special). > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The > Raama Charita > Maanasa- > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt > for many > centuries; > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of > the common man > making > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting > the story of > Lord's > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend > on greedy pandits > and > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, > when I say recital > of > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such > and such results > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa > (incidentally, this was > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the > other epic - > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original > Sanskrit version > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a > thousand replicas of > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and > sentiment associated > > with the original can never ever be replicated. > Same is the case > with > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their > prominence due to > the > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot > equal the > original > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have > said time and > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual > fervour, these two > works > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik > works in that, > chanting > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your > attitude is highly > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in > an attitude of > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature > relies mainly on > the > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and > other puranic > mantras > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to > get the expected > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita > Maanasa === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Dear Archanaaji: Your mail is very much in the context of our discussion.......You are confirming what many experts of this recital have always experienced.......Words cannot amply describe the feelings of a devotee who enjoys the Nectar of the Story of the Lord! Blessed are you to enjoy goose bumps on hearing the recital as it means that you are able to merge yourself in that recital. The chapter describing the state of Sitaa Maata in Sundara Kaandam is a very moving one.....and definitely it will move most people to tears. Though the chapter seems to be a sad one, the fruits of reciting this chapter will make you joyful in life as it is reputed to improve your prospects in business. This chapter should be recited on Friday evenings. The offering for this procedure is "Tamarind Rice". I hope this pointer will help the forum members who are facing tough financial or business situations. I have personally benefited by this recital. Blessed be. Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology, Archana <raobusiness wrote: > > Respected Sir, > > I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama Rao. > I play it almost every day and get goose bumps every > time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry > when the Sita mata's state is described in the song. > Listening to this song gives so many emotions. This is > really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should > listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I just > couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's out > of topic. > Regards, > Archana > > --- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by > > some of us. > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to > > understand the > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the > > valmiki > > ramayan. > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional > > versions > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I > > advocate for recitation) > > should not be used for parayan and only original > > version should be > > done. > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational > > value of the > > mantras which are not existing in the regional > > versions. For eg., > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and > > hence, many mantrik > > values associated with it, which I dont think will > > be present in the > > regional versions. > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own > > spiritual values > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha > > kavya written by a > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we > > have the > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the > > '70s or '80s) > > which has great vibrational value due to the music > > associated with > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is > > said Hanuman > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the > > physical author > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, > > the remedies > > associated with this song are somewhat different > > from those offered > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters > > to freeing of > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not > > mix up these > > results. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do > > you say so?!!!! > > No > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a > > genuine doubt, > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already > > in my earlier > > post. > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita > > Maanasaa. > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita > > Maanasa in my > > posts? > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have > > explicitly said > > that > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, > > then the results > > I > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam > > definitely do > > not > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama > > Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki > > immediately > > after > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva > > Rishi Naarada. > > It > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as > > it was written > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who > > had completed a > > severe > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are > > in addition to > > the > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi > > literature. You > > will > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the > > original version > > of > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the > > regional > > culture > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > > composed....... > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( > > Ithihaas literally > > means > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has > > the distinction > > of > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri > > Raama himself > > during > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His > > own Sons. It > > is a > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri > > Raama AS IT > > HAPPENED; > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit > > special). > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The > > Raama Charita > > Maanasa- > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt > > for many > > centuries; > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of > > the common man > > making > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting > > the story of > > Lord's > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend > > on greedy pandits > > and > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, > > when I say recital > > of > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such > > and such results > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa > > (incidentally, this was > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the > > other epic - > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original > > Sanskrit version > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a > > thousand replicas of > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and > > sentiment associated > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. > > Same is the case > > with > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their > > prominence due to > > the > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot > > equal the > > original > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have > > said time and > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual > > fervour, these two > > works > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik > > works in that, > > chanting > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your > > attitude is highly > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in > > an attitude of > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature > > relies mainly on > > the > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and > > other puranic > > mantras > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to > > get the expected > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita > > Maanasa > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Dear Souvikji, Well done! spoken like a true Bhakta. It is music to my ears as I have only Bhakti with me and nothing else. Regards Nalini vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Dear Kishoreji, > > A small story: > Source: > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > Sutra." > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > ramayan. > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > recitation) > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > done. > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > the > > regional versions. > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > values > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > offered > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > results. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > so?!!!! > > No > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > doubt, > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > post. > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > posts? > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > that > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > results > > I > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > not > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > after > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > Naarada. > > It > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > written > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > severe > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > to > > the > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > will > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > version > > of > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > culture > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > composed....... > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > means > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > distinction > > of > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > during > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > is a > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > HAPPENED; > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > Maanasa- > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > centuries; > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > making > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > Lord's > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > pandits > > and > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > recital > > of > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > results > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > version > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > of > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > associated > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > case > > with > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > the > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > original > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > works > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > chanting > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > highly > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > the > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > mantras > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > Vaayu > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > giving > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > should > > be > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > book. > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Poojaji, Forgive me if I am intruding. If you would grasp the inner meaning of Souvikji's parable, uttering of the Divine name of the Lord in true *Bhakti*, it being the operative word, has the power of cleansing away of clouds of ignorance and let the true light of the Sun in. Again as Guruji, Dakshinamoortiji, has said, if you (are fortunate enough,as for as I am concerned)can recite valmikiji's version with all its mantras it would no doubt have its own beneficial effects. But for people who cannot do that a simple bhakti filled namasmarana of the Lord would suffice as it gives samppoorna Aananda. Pardon me if I am wrong as it is my own opinion Regards Nalini vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja wrote: > > Souvik, > > Can I conclude that since "Bhakti" is the ingredient which drove valmikiji and tulsidasji to write different versions of Ramayana both have same remedial effects if recited with bhakti bhav by the native. > Secondly, if vibrations of ramayana written by valmikiji has different aspect than it shud be only applicable to original version and not the once published later. > > Correct me if I am wrong. > > Regards, > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Student Souvik: > > A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a > very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be > empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a casual > conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use > based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and dharma, > there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in 2011/ > 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality. > > Blessed be. > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > A small story: > > Source: > > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > > Sutra." > > > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > > ramayan. > > > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > > recitation) > > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > > done. > > > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > > the > > > regional versions. > > > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > > values > > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > > offered > > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > > results. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > > so?!!!! > > > No > > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > > doubt, > > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > > post. > > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > > posts? > > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > > that > > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > > results > > > I > > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > > not > > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > > after > > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > > Naarada. > > > It > > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > > written > > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > > severe > > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > > to > > > the > > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > > will > > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > > version > > > of > > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > > culture > > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > > composed....... > > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > > means > > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > > distinction > > > of > > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > > during > > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > > is a > > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > > HAPPENED; > > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > > Maanasa- > > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > > centuries; > > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > > making > > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > > Lord's > > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > > pandits > > > and > > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > > recital > > > of > > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > > results > > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > > version > > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > > of > > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > > associated > > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > > case > > > with > > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > > the > > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > > original > > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > > works > > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > > chanting > > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > > highly > > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > > the > > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > > mantras > > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > > Vaayu > > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > > giving > > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > > should > > > be > > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > > book. > > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit. 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Guruver, It is indeed your modesty and big-heartedness by which you say good things about half-learned humans like me. However, I am happy to remain foreover your student, nothing more Pranam Souvik vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Student Souvik: > > A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a > very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be > empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a casual > conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use > based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and dharma, > there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in 2011/ > 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality. > > Blessed be. > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > A small story: > > Source: > > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > > Sutra." > > > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > > ramayan. > > > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > > recitation) > > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > > done. > > > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > > the > > > regional versions. > > > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > > values > > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > > offered > > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > > results. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > > so?!!!! > > > No > > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > > doubt, > > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > > post. > > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > > posts? > > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > > that > > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > > results > > > I > > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > > not > > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > > after > > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > > Naarada. > > > It > > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > > written > > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > > severe > > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > > to > > > the > > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > > will > > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > > version > > > of > > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > > culture > > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > > composed....... > > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > > means > > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > > distinction > > > of > > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > > during > > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > > is a > > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > > HAPPENED; > > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > > Maanasa- > > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > > centuries; > > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > > making > > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > > Lord's > > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > > pandits > > > and > > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > > recital > > > of > > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > > results > > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > > version > > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > > of > > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > > associated > > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > > case > > > with > > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > > the > > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > > original > > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > > works > > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > > chanting > > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > > highly > > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > > the > > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > > mantras > > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > > Vaayu > > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > > giving > > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > > should > > > be > > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > > book. > > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit. 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Dear Pooja ji, Your question is on the path of gyana. In that respect, Guruver Dakshinamurthy has already answered your query. Bhakti bhava cannot be brought, according to me. It has to be there always. Yes, chapters 1 and 8 of Valmiki Ramayana are later additions. Yes, other portions have also gone thru amendments. I will give you an example of bhakti. Thakur (Ramakrishna Paramshana) once shouted to his disciples-"Aure Krishna je Kalio shey" meaning "Krishna and Kali is same and one". Bhakti is something like you shout "Jai Shree Krishna" after listening to the complete Valmiki Ramyana. For you Krishna and Rama is the same. Bhakti is headless, non-judegemental and in wordly terms very very stupid. Have you seen lovers today? Do they have any logic in what they do- write on walls, on railway platforms and even cut their hands. That too is an expression of prem and bhakti, but directed to a person of flesh and blood. When that very headlessness is directed to the Supreme, one finds himself in Him. Did you know a perefect male like Sri Chaitaniya Mahaprabhu cried in bhakti saying "I am Radha". What will you say this in the eyes of gyana? Is their any logic in this behaviour? That is bhakti. The path of gyana is of bhrahmanas, the path of vairagya is of rishis and the path of bhakti is of bhakts? Devarshi Narad is Devarshi because of his bhakti. I have drifted a lot from the topic but would like to end with one question. If "speaking" the mantras were so important then why did Maharshis keep mauna vrata? Regards, Souvik vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV <its_me_pooja wrote: > > Souvik, > > Can I conclude that since "Bhakti" is the ingredient which drove valmikiji and tulsidasji to write different versions of Ramayana both have same remedial effects if recited with bhakti bhav by the native. > Secondly, if vibrations of ramayana written by valmikiji has different aspect than it shud be only applicable to original version and not the once published later. > > Correct me if I am wrong. > > Regards, > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Student Souvik: > > A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring home a > very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to be > empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a casual > conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to use > based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and dharma, > there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in 2011/ > 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality. > > Blessed be. > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta" > <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > A small story: > > Source: > > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > > Sutra." > > > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > > ramayan. > > > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > > recitation) > > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > > done. > > > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > > the > > > regional versions. > > > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > > values > > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > > offered > > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > > results. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > > so?!!!! > > > No > > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > > doubt, > > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > > post. > > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > > posts? > > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > > that > > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > > results > > > I > > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > > not > > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > > after > > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > > Naarada. > > > It > > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > > written > > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > > severe > > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > > to > > > the > > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > > will > > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > > version > > > of > > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > > culture > > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > > composed....... > > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > > means > > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > > distinction > > > of > > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > > during > > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > > is a > > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > > HAPPENED; > > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > > Maanasa- > > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > > centuries; > > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > > making > > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > > Lord's > > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > > pandits > > > and > > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > > recital > > > of > > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > > results > > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > > version > > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > > of > > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > > associated > > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > > case > > > with > > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > > the > > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > > original > > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > > works > > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > > chanting > > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > > highly > > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > > the > > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > > mantras > > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > > Vaayu > > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > > giving > > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > > should > > > be > > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > > book. > > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit. 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Namaskaar Sri Souvik How are Bhakti and Jnana different? Thanks and Regards Bharat On 3/16/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > Dear Kishoreji, > > A small story: > Source: > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > Sutra." > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > > <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > ramayan. > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > recitation) > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > done. > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > the > > regional versions. > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > values > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > offered > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > results. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > so?!!!! > > No > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > doubt, > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > post. > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > posts? > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > that > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > results > > I > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > not > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > after > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > Naarada. > > It > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > written > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > severe > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > to > > the > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > will > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > version > > of > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > culture > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > composed....... > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > means > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > distinction > > of > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > during > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > is a > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > HAPPENED; > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > Maanasa- > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > centuries; > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > making > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > Lord's > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > pandits > > and > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > recital > > of > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > results > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > version > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > of > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > associated > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > case > > with > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > the > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > original > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > works > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > chanting > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > highly > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > the > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > mantras > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > Vaayu > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > giving > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > should > > be > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > book. > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere > > > > > appreciations. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation : > > > > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are > > > > > referring the same or something else. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying > > > > attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. 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Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nijamga baga chepparu. Kishore patnaik 98492 70729 vedic astrology, Archana <raobusiness wrote: > > Respected Sir, > > I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama Rao. > I play it almost every day and get goose bumps every > time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry > when the Sita mata's state is described in the song. > Listening to this song gives so many emotions. This is > really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should > listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I just > couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's out > of topic. > Regards, > Archana > > --- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by > > some of us. > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to > > understand the > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the > > valmiki > > ramayan. > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional > > versions > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I > > advocate for recitation) > > should not be used for parayan and only original > > version should be > > done. > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational > > value of the > > mantras which are not existing in the regional > > versions. For eg., > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and > > hence, many mantrik > > values associated with it, which I dont think will > > be present in the > > regional versions. > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own > > spiritual values > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha > > kavya written by a > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we > > have the > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the > > '70s or '80s) > > which has great vibrational value due to the music > > associated with > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is > > said Hanuman > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the > > physical author > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, > > the remedies > > associated with this song are somewhat different > > from those offered > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters > > to freeing of > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not > > mix up these > > results. > > > > regards, > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > "dakshinastrologer" > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do > > you say so?!!!! > > No > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a > > genuine doubt, > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already > > in my earlier > > post. > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita > > Maanasaa. > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita > > Maanasa in my > > posts? > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have > > explicitly said > > that > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, > > then the results > > I > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam > > definitely do > > not > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama > > Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki > > immediately > > after > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva > > Rishi Naarada. > > It > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as > > it was written > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who > > had completed a > > severe > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are > > in addition to > > the > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi > > literature. You > > will > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the > > original version > > of > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the > > regional > > culture > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > > composed....... > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( > > Ithihaas literally > > means > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has > > the distinction > > of > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri > > Raama himself > > during > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His > > own Sons. It > > is a > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri > > Raama AS IT > > HAPPENED; > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit > > special). > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The > > Raama Charita > > Maanasa- > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt > > for many > > centuries; > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of > > the common man > > making > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting > > the story of > > Lord's > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend > > on greedy pandits > > and > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, > > when I say recital > > of > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such > > and such results > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa > > (incidentally, this was > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the > > other epic - > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original > > Sanskrit version > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a > > thousand replicas of > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and > > sentiment associated > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. > > Same is the case > > with > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their > > prominence due to > > the > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot > > equal the > > original > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have > > said time and > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual > > fervour, these two > > works > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik > > works in that, > > chanting > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your > > attitude is highly > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in > > an attitude of > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature > > relies mainly on > > the > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and > > other puranic > > mantras > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to > > get the expected > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita > > Maanasa > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Namaskar Bharatji, What a wonderful question! If you get a chance, do listen to the Kaalachakra audio of Pandit Sanjay Rath. Astrologically, Jnana is the domain of Jupiter and the planet that can take nearest to Bhakti is Ketu, however Sun is equally important. Please let me know if "Love thy enemy as thyself" a language of Jnana or Bhakti? However, if your definition of Jana also includes "Love thy enemy as thyself", you are definitely talking about bhakti. But in bhakti it doesn't matter what you call it-in jnana you need quotes and logic. If Padma Puran has stated Bhakti has the mother of Jnana and Vairagya, there surely was a reason for this personification, don't you think? There is 100% differentiation between Jnana and Bhakti from the prespective of Jnana and there is no difference even between you and me from the prespective of Bhakti...such things are very difficult to write and explain in mails..because this very domain is that of Jnana:) Will eagerly await your views... Thanks Souvik vedic astrology, "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Souvik > > How are Bhakti and Jnana different? > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 3/16/06, Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > > Dear Kishoreji, > > > > A small story: > > Source: > > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145 > > > > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion) which I > > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the Sanaka > > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding > > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason for this > > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the earth, > > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi, Haridwar, > > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the condition > > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were selling the > > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched the > > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the hearts > > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a young woman > > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay unconscious > > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling her. I > > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that she was > > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual > > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement). She > > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in Dravida desh > > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected in some > > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due to the > > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and sluggish. I > > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained my > > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep agony due > > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to revive > > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the Gayatri > > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight revival > > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring her of > > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on arrival at > > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was > > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti." On > > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the exposition of > > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya and > > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar. This > > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges, where > > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam, > > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large numbers of > > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were herded > > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this mammoth > > Sutra." > > > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and vairagya > > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all odds to > > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be. > > > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and vibrations > > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of Ramyana. > > > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is enough...why "Rama"? > > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was bhakti > > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made Tulsidas > > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas wirte his > > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always was! > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan" > > > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some of us. > > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to understand the > > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the valmiki > > > ramayan. > > > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional versions > > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for > > recitation) > > > should not be used for parayan and only original version should be > > > done. > > > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value of the > > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions. For eg., > > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many mantrik > > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be present in > > the > > > regional versions. > > > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own spiritual > > values > > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya written by a > > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have the > > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s or '80s) > > > which has great vibrational value due to the music associated with > > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said Hanuman > > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical author > > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the remedies > > > associated with this song are somewhat different from those > > offered > > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to freeing of > > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems. > > > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up these > > > results. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say > > so?!!!! > > > No > > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a genuine > > doubt, > > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my earlier > > > post. > > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa. > > > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa in my > > > posts? > > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have explicitly said > > > that > > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then the > > results > > > I > > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam definitely do > > > not > > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki immediately > > > after > > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi > > Naarada. > > > It > > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it was > > written > > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had completed a > > > severe > > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in addition > > to > > > the > > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work. > > > > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi literature. You > > > will > > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the original > > version > > > of > > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the regional > > > culture > > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was > > composed....... > > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas literally > > > means > > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the > > distinction > > > of > > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama himself > > > during > > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own Sons. It > > > is a > > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama AS IT > > > HAPPENED; > > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit special). > > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama Charita > > > Maanasa- > > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for many > > > centuries; > > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the common man > > > making > > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the story of > > > Lord's > > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on greedy > > pandits > > > and > > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I say > > recital > > > of > > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and such > > results > > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally, this was > > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other epic - > > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original Sanskrit > > version > > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand replicas > > of > > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment > > associated > > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is the > > case > > > with > > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their prominence due to > > > the > > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal the > > > original > > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said time and > > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour, these two > > > works > > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other. > > > > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in that, > > > chanting > > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude is > > highly > > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an attitude of > > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies mainly on > > > the > > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other puranic > > > mantras > > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the expected > > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa in full > > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma Samhita of > > Vaayu > > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa" when > > > giving > > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams. > > > > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV > > <its_me_pooja@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji, > > > > > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool. > > > > > But I fail to understand one thing > > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas both > > should > > > be > > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has written the > > > book. > > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same. > > > > > Dont you agree with this? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar: > > > > > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit > > > > > composition). > > > > > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious, > > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have > > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original > > > > > Sanskrit composition. > > > > > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as > > > > > per your request. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have > > > > > > a lot of contents. 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Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Dear Sir, Thank you for the kind words. I am a mere mortal who doesn't have time to recite the sundar kanda. But God bless the musicians of this CD who have done such a wonderful service to people by recording it. Regards, Archana --- dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: > Dear Archanaaji: > > Your mail is very much in the context of our > discussion.......You > are confirming what many experts of this recital > have always > experienced.......Words cannot amply describe the > feelings of a > devotee who enjoys the Nectar of the Story of the > Lord! Blessed are > you to enjoy goose bumps on hearing the recital as > it means that you > are able to merge yourself in that recital. > > The chapter describing the state of Sitaa Maata in > Sundara Kaandam > is a very moving one.....and definitely it will move > most people to > tears. Though the chapter seems to be a sad one, > the fruits of > reciting this chapter will make you joyful in life > as it is reputed to > improve your prospects in business. This chapter > should be recited > on Friday evenings. The offering for this procedure > is "Tamarind > Rice". > > I hope this pointer will help the forum members who > are facing tough > financial or business situations. I have personally > benefited by this > recital. > > Blessed be. > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, Archana > <raobusiness > wrote: > > > > Respected Sir, > > > > I have the cd of the SundarKanda by late MS Rama > Rao. > > I play it almost every day and get goose bumps > every > > time I listen to it. And each time I listen, I cry > > when the Sita mata's state is described in the > song. > > Listening to this song gives so many emotions. > This is > > really a blessed song. Whoever knows telugu should > > listen to this song. When I saw you mention it, I > just > > couldn't resist to write this mail. Sorry if it's > out > > of topic. > > Regards, > > Archana > > > > --- kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji, > > > > > > What you say certainly holds water and > understood by > > > some of us. > > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man > to > > > understand the > > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and > the > > > valmiki > > > ramayan. > > > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the > regional > > > versions > > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I > > > advocate for recitation) > > > should not be used for parayan and only original > > > version should be > > > done. > > > > > > The original version will be having the > vibrational > > > value of the > > > mantras which are not existing in the regional > > > versions. For eg., > > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and > > > hence, many mantrik > > > values associated with it, which I dont think > will > > > be present in the > > > regional versions. > > > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its > own > > > spiritual values > > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha > > > kavya written by a > > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In > telugu, we > > > have the > > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during > the > > > '70s or '80s) > > > which has great vibrational value due to the > music > > > associated with > > > it. It became very famous during those days. It > is > > > said Hanuman > > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the > > > physical author > > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. > Yet, > > > the remedies > > > associated with this song are somewhat different > > > from those offered > > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also > caters > > > to freeing of > > > one from debts, disease and materialistic > problems. > > > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should > not > > > mix up these > > > results. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > > > "dakshinastrologer" > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Poojaji: > > > > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why > do > > > you say so?!!!! > > > No > > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have > asked a > > > genuine doubt, > > > > though the clarification of this doubt is > already > > > in my earlier > > > post. > > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama > Charita > > > Maanasaa. > > > > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama > Charita > > > Maanasa in my > > > posts? > > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I > have > > > explicitly said > > > that > > > > reading the manasa is also > efficacious......But, > > > then the results > > > I > > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara > Kaandam > > > definitely do > > > not > > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of > Raama > > > Charita Maanasa. > > > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage > Vaalmiiki > > > immediately > > > after > > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of > Deva > > > Rishi Naarada. > > > It > > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. > Naturally, as > > > it was written > > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage > who > > > had completed a > > > severe > > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which > are > > > in addition to > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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