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Dear Souvikji,

Something is certainly wrong. None of my messages for the last few

days have been *posted*. My problem is confined to this list alone.

I have been able to post in others.

Regards

Nalini

vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta"

<explore_vulcan wrote:

>

> Namaste Devikaji,

>

> You have no idea how much encouragement your words have given to

me.

>

> However, I am far from a genius, a mere student in the world of

> learned.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Souvik

>

> vedic astrology, Devika Dhillon

> <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Souvik,

> > You wrote: "If "speaking" the mantras were so important

then

> why did Maharshis keep mauna vrata?"

> > You are a genius, I enjoy your emails. Keep on writing.

> >

> > Devika.

> >

> >

> > Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> > Dear Pooja ji,

> >

> > Your question is on the path of gyana.

> >

> > In that respect, Guruver Dakshinamurthy has already answered

your

> > query.

> >

> > Bhakti bhava cannot be brought, according to me. It has to be

> there

> > always.

> >

> > Yes, chapters 1 and 8 of Valmiki Ramayana are later additions.

> Yes,

> > other portions have also gone thru amendments.

> >

> > I will give you an example of bhakti.

> >

> > Thakur (Ramakrishna Paramshana) once shouted to his disciples-

> "Aure

> > Krishna je Kalio shey" meaning "Krishna and Kali is same and

one".

> >

> > Bhakti is something like you shout "Jai Shree Krishna" after

> > listening to the complete Valmiki Ramyana. For you Krishna and

> Rama

> > is the same.

> >

> > Bhakti is headless, non-judegemental and in wordly terms very

very

> > stupid.

> >

> > Have you seen lovers today? Do they have any logic in what they

do-

> > write on walls, on railway platforms and even cut their hands.

> That

> > too is an expression of prem and bhakti, but directed to a

person

> of

> > flesh and blood. When that very headlessness is directed to the

> > Supreme, one finds himself in Him.

> >

> > Did you know a perefect male like Sri Chaitaniya Mahaprabhu

cried

> in

> > bhakti saying "I am Radha". What will you say this in the eyes

of

> > gyana? Is their any logic in this behaviour? :) That is bhakti.

> >

> > The path of gyana is of bhrahmanas, the path of vairagya is of

> > rishis and the path of bhakti is of bhakts? Devarshi Narad is

> > Devarshi because of his bhakti.

> >

> > I have drifted a lot from the topic but would like to end with

one

> > question.

> >

> > If "speaking" the mantras were so important then why did

Maharshis

> > keep mauna vrata? :)

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> > <its_me_pooja@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Souvik,

> > >

> > > Can I conclude that since "Bhakti" is the ingredient which

> drove

> > valmikiji and tulsidasji to write different versions of Ramayana

> > both have same remedial effects if recited with bhakti bhav by

the

> > native.

> > > Secondly, if vibrations of ramayana written by valmikiji has

> > different aspect than it shud be only applicable to original

> version

> > and not the once published later.

> > >

> > > Correct me if I am wrong.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > Dear Student Souvik:

> > >

> > > A wonderful and inspirational selection of parable to bring

home

> a

> > > very important truth. YOu know when to be sarcastic, when to

be

> > > empathetic, and when to drive home important truths as if in a

> > casual

> > > conversation! With warriors like you who know which weapon to

> use

> > > based on the circumstances espousing the cause of bhakti and

> > dharma,

> > > there is no doubt that the expected "birth of the new world in

> > 2011/

> > > 2012" is going to bring about a new dawn in spirituality.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Souvik Dutta"

> > > <explore_vulcan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kishoreji,

> > > >

> > > > A small story:

> > > > Source:

> > > > http://www.pushtikul.com/article_read.asp?id=145

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > "Now I shall narrate the episode about Bhakti (Devotion)

which

> I

> > > > have heard from Sri Sukadev himself. It so happened that the

> > Sanaka

> > > > Kumars arrived at the Badrika ashram for Satsang and finding

> > > > Devrishi Narad in a despondent mood, asked him the reason

for

> > this

> > > > sad state. Narad replied : "During one of my sojourns to the

> > earth,

> > > > I visited many holy places- Puskara, Prayaga, Kasi,

Haridwar,

> > > > Kurukshetra, Srirangapatnam, Nasik etc. and found that the

> > condition

> > > > of people had become extremely decadent. Brahmins were

selling

> > the

> > > > Vedas, women their bodies; the morals of mortals had touched

> the

> > > > lowermost levels and the thought of God had nearly left the

> > hearts

> > > > of people. I reached the banks of Yamuna , where I saw a

young

> > woman

> > > > wailing in a distressed condition while two old men lay

> > unconscious

> > > > by her side. Several women were fanning her and consoling

her.

> I

> > > > went near her and asked her identity. She informed me that

she

> > was

> > > > Bhakti and the two old men were her sons, Gyan (Spiritual

> > > > enlightenment) and Vairagya (Dispassion or renouncement).

She

> > > > continued her story thus ` oh Muniraja, I was born in

Dravida

> > desh

> > > > and attained maturity in Karnataka. Though I was respected

in

> > some

> > > > regions of Maharashtra, I reached a ripe age in Gujrat. Due

to

> > the

> > > > advent of Kaliyuga, my two sons and I became weak and

> sluggish.

> > I

> > > > travelled a lot and on reaching Brindaban, I have regained

my

> > > > youthfulness but my sons have remained old and are in deep

> agony

> > due

> > > > to exhaustion.' I comforted her and made several efforts to

> > revive

> > > > her two sons but to no avail. With the recitation of the

> Gayatri

> > > > Mantra, the Gita and other Holy Scriptures, though a slight

> > revival

> > > > was attained, it was for a few moments only. After assuring

> her

> > of

> > > > finding some way out, I continued on my travails and on

> arrival

> > at

> > > > Badrika ashram prayed at the Lotus feet of Sri Krsna. I was

> > > > contemplating about the solution to the problem of Bhakti."

On

> > > > hearing this, the Sanaka Kumars assured Narad that the

> > exposition of

> > > > Shrimad Bhagwat would definitely revive Gyan and Vairagya

and

> > > > requested him to make arrangements for the same at Haridwar.

> > This

> > > > led to the Gyan yagna at Haridwar on the banks of Ganges,

> where

> > > > several sages congregated. Bhrgu, Vasista, Cyavana, Gautam,

> > > > Markandeya, Viswamitra, Parasara were some of the large

> numbers

> > of

> > > > eminent sages who came here. Those who were hesitant, were

> > herded

> > > > and persuaded by the sage Bhrgu, to participate in this

> mammoth

> > > > Sutra."

> > > >

> > > > In Kali Yuga, there can be many occasions where gyana and

> > vairagya

> > > > may fail. If one has bhakti he/she may fight against all

odds

> to

> > > > reach the abode of the Ultimate, whoever it may be.

> > > >

> > > > It is gyan that gives us knowledge of mantra shastra and

> > vibrations

> > > > etc. It is gyan that differentiates between versions of

> Ramyana.

> > > >

> > > > However, to bhakti, even the name "Rama" is

> enough...why "Rama"?

> > > > even the name "Mara" is enough if done with bhakti..it was

> > bhakti

> > > > that made Valmiki made Ramaya, it was bhakti that made

> Tulsidas

> > > > write his own version, it was bhakti that made Krittiwas

wirte

> > his

> > > > own..the underlying conceot is always the same, it always

was!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Souvik

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "kishore mohan"

> > > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > DEar sri dakshina moorthyji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What you say certainly holds water and understood by some

of

> > us.

> > > > > HOwever, it is very difficult for a common man to

understand

> > the

> > > > > subtle difference between rama charita manas and the

valmiki

> > > > > ramayan.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen many asking me why is that the regional

versions

> > > > > (especially in case of Bhagavad gita which I advocate for

> > > > recitation)

> > > > > should not be used for parayan and only original version

> > should be

> > > > > done.

> > > > >

> > > > > The original version will be having the vibrational value

of

> > the

> > > > > mantras which are not existing in the regional versions.

For

> > eg.,

> > > > > Valmiki ramayan is based on Gayatri mantra and hence, many

> > mantrik

> > > > > values associated with it, which I dont think will be

> present

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > regional versions.

> > > > >

> > > > > No doubt,Parayan of Ram charita manas has its own

spiritual

> > > > values

> > > > > attached to it, only because of it is a shuddha kavya

> written

> > by a

> > > > > pious and sincere devotee of the Lord. In telugu, we have

> the

> > > > > Sundara Kanda by late MS Rama rao(written during the '70s

> > or '80s)

> > > > > which has great vibrational value due to the music

> associated

> > with

> > > > > it. It became very famous during those days. It is said

> > Hanuman

> > > > > himself has composed the lyrics and relieved the physical

> > author

> > > > > from a strange disease he was suffering from. Yet, the

> > remedies

> > > > > associated with this song are somewhat different from

those

> > > > offered

> > > > > by valmiki ramayan, though this version also caters to

> freeing

> > of

> > > > > one from debts, disease and materialistic problems.

> > > > >

> > > > > Every remedy has its own results. We \should not mix up

> these

> > > > > results.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kishore patnaik

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic-

astrology, "dakshinastrologer"

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Poojaji:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You definitely do not sound like a fool! Why do you say

> > > > so?!!!!

> > > > > No

> > > > > > devotee of the Lord is a fool.....You have asked a

genuine

> > > > doubt,

> > > > > > though the clarification of this doubt is already in my

> > earlier

> > > > > post.

> > > > > > I have not denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasaa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have I ever denied the efficacy of Raama Charita Maanasa

> in

> > my

> > > > > posts?

> > > > > > .....Kindly read through my post again....I have

> explicitly

> > said

> > > > > that

> > > > > > reading the manasa is also efficacious......But, then

the

> > > > results

> > > > > I

> > > > > > have been writing for chanting of Sundara Kaandam

> definitely

> > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > pertain to the chanting of the chapter of Raama Charita

> > Maanasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayana was written by Sage Vaalmiiki

> > immediately

> > > > > after

> > > > > > completing a tapasya and on the initiation of Deva Rishi

> > > > Naarada.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > has the essence of the vedas in it. Naturally, as it

was

> > > > written

> > > > > > under such Divine promptings, and by a Sage who had

> > completed a

> > > > > severe

> > > > > > Penance, it has mantrik vibrations in it which are in

> > addition

> > > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > philosophical content/ bhakti content in the work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raamacharita Maanasa- in contrast- is a Bhakthi

> literature.

> > You

> > > > > will

> > > > > > find that Raamacharita Maanasaa differs from the

original

> > > > version

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Sage Vaalmiki regarding certain events to suit the

> regional

> > > > > culture

> > > > > > and the culture of the times in which the work was

> > > > composed.......

> > > > > > Hence it does not qualify as an Ithihaas ( Ithihaas

> > literally

> > > > > means

> > > > > > "It happened like that"; Vaalmiiki Raamaayana has the

> > > > distinction

> > > > > of

> > > > > > being recited before the August presence of Shri Raama

> > himself

> > > > > during

> > > > > > the course of the grand Yagna He conducted, by His own

> > Sons. It

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > faithful rendering of the ORIGINAL story of Shri Raama

AS

> IT

> > > > > HAPPENED;

> > > > > > This is what makes the original work in Sanskrit

special).

> > > > > > There is no doubt that this singular work - The Raama

> > Charita

> > > > > Maanasa-

> > > > > > spurned the Bhakti movement in whole of Hindi belt for

> many

> > > > > centuries;

> > > > > > it brought the Lord's story to the doorstep of the

common

> > man

> > > > > making

> > > > > > him free to indulge in the pleasure of reciting the

story

> of

> > > > > Lord's

> > > > > > Life in his own tongue without needing to depend on

greedy

> > > > pandits

> > > > > and

> > > > > > many people have benefited by its recital. But, when I

say

> > > > recital

> > > > > of

> > > > > > particular chapter of Sundara Kaandam gives such and

such

> > > > results

> > > > > > based on references from Vaayu Puraanaa (incidentally,

> this

> > was

> > > > > > compiled by Sage Veda Vyaasa - the composer of the other

> > epic -

> > > > > > Mahaabharatam), I have always meant the original

Sanskrit

> > > > version

> > > > > > written by Vaalmiiki Rishi. You may build a thousand

> > replicas

> > > > of

> > > > > > ancient monuments, but still the grandeur and sentiment

> > > > associated

> > > > > > with the original can never ever be replicated. Same is

> the

> > > > case

> > > > > with

> > > > > > inspired regional writings.....They gain their

prominence

> > due to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > bhakti bhava of the composers.....but, they cannot equal

> the

> > > > > original

> > > > > > in terms of mantrik content. Of course, as I have said

> time

> > and

> > > > > > again, in terms of adding to your spiritual fervour,

these

> > two

> > > > > works

> > > > > > are equal and none is inferior to the other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhakti literature is different from mantrik works in

> that,

> > > > > chanting

> > > > > > of bhakti literature gives results ONLY if your attitude

> is

> > > > highly

> > > > > > devotional and you are able to plunge yourself in an

> > attitude of

> > > > > > bhakti and total surrender. Mantrik literature relies

> > mainly on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > vibration of the sounds. That is why vedas and other

> > puranic

> > > > > mantras

> > > > > > have to be chanted with the right intonation to get the

> > expected

> > > > > > results. Of course, chanting the Raama charita Maanasa

in

> > full

> > > > > > definitely has spiritual significance....but, Uma

Samhita

> of

> > > > Vaayu

> > > > > > Purana definitely has not meant "Raama Charita Maanasa"

> when

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > the effects of Raamaayana Sarga Paaraayanams.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope I have made my stand clear regarding this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, POOJA RAJDEV

> > > > <its_me_pooja@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Moortiji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Forgive me if I may sound like a fool.

> > > > > > > But I fail to understand one thing

> > > > > > > Shrimad Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam and Ramcharitra manas

both

> > > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > equally efficatious irrespective of the fact who has

> written

> > the

> > > > > book.

> > > > > > Context of the book and intentions of the writer is same.

> > > > > > > Dont you agree with this?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dakshinamoorthi r <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Shri. Vijay Kumar:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was referring to the Sundara Kaandam of Shrimad

> > > > > > > Vaalmiiki Raamaayanam ( the original Sanskrit

> > > > > > > composition).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Raam charita Maanasa version is also efficacious,

> > > > > > > but the procedures and the effects that I have

> > > > > > > referred to in my posts pertain to the original

> > > > > > > Sanskrit composition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I shall send a copy of this post to the forum also as

> > > > > > > per your request.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- Vijay Kumar <vk_51@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Resp. Shri Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > While replying, kindly post it on the group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your posts on the list are very educative and have

> > > > > > > > a lot of contents. I forward my sincere

> > > > > > > > appreciations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding Sundar Kand recitation :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Ram Charit Manas (Hindi), there is a Sundar

> > > > > > > > Kanda depicting Sri Hanumanji's flight to Lanka and

> > > > > > > > back after victory. I hope, the same is in

> > > > > > > > reference.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Sundar Kanda is not very big and its

> > > > > > > > recitation is covered in 1/2 to 1 hour depending on

> > > > > > > > the speed of the recitation. Since, you said it to

> > > > > > > > take 8 hrs, hence the doubt arose whether you are

> > > > > > > > referring the same or something else.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and best regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vijay Kumar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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