VA - birth details of Abhishek Bachchan 2/5

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GG,

so u want to wash all the dirty linen of every astrologer on ME only....?

 

and can u find a single line in any of my postings so far On KSY?

 

ONE hAND U SAY MAY BE I HAVE OVERLOOKED KUJA DOSHA, another place u pick holes

in all astrologers for using it.

 

i have said clearly i consider 7th lord in 8th more a dosha than kuja in 7 or

8.

 

 

 

on Kuja dosha i have said it is not now as important as times/era when women

had to be taken care of by a family, which gradullay failed, and worse

iltreated the vidows in the family, phyusically, socially, emotionally,

sexually exploited them it is just to protect hem that too in today's world I

HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY only 7, 8th house Kuja matters that too for 8/12 lagnas or

rasis.

 

i don't consider 1,4,12 houses this is ICAS researched also for over 22 yrs.in

several group studies, discussions.

 

ALSO WHU CA'T U C THE BRIOGHTER SIDE OF ASTROLOGY

Where i pointed abhiseks father's life is in danger

and later his too?

no value for this predictions only if i say after the event and fight to claim

I SAID SO.

this is there for the record in my name on 29th april 2006 wait for the period

and see.

 

 

I only interpret the divine's games, I am not god sure.

 

 

 

<gg_0202 wrote: ||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Pandit Arjuna,

Thank your for replying to my message.Apparently it might seem that

I have criticised to what Mr. Shubha Vela has predicted,but I don't

have the intention to criticise anybody be it regarding prediction

etc.I have mentioned in my mail that Mr.Shubha Vela might have

overlooked the cancellation of Mangal Dosha already present in their

viz. Abhishek & Aishwarya's chart.

I am not a professional Astrologer, but do it as a hobby, though i

consider myself thankful as i have been able to cater a lot of

people through astrology...often people come to me, saying that

somebody have told them their daughter have Kal sarpa yoga & have

come to get it verified from me, i tell them there is no Yoga like

that & people have contrived this so called "Kal Sarpa Yoga" to earn

living.

Last year, my friend was worried about his sister's marriage & came

to me telling that his sister not getting married for She has kuja

dosha. I checked her chart & found that She has got mangal dosha

cancelled in her chart, & i told her that she will get married

within december 2005, & got married in the month of

August,2005.Neither I am advertising nor blowing my trumpet, but

telling how people get deceived by these astrologers.

To be frank, today has become an easiest way of living...u need to

study the subject even, just learn three things-kal sarpa yoga,

Mangal dosha & sade sati...appear on the TV tell people all bogus,

so that take refuge at you & u finally deceive them...this has

become the trend & become qt angry as i see things going like this...

Wish u all success,

.

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friend gaurav

>

> mr. shubha vela gave a "prediction" of the abhishek-aishwarya

> marriage and not any hindsight analysis which has become the

easiest

> USP as you mentioned. whether his prediction would come true or

> not, only time will tell. by the way my own "prediction" is that

> their marriage is difficult in first place and they would be

> separated. if you dont agree to this observation, let this be my

> view and let your view be yours. we dont engage in criticism of

one

> another.

>

> i personally preach and practice that a "prediction" of one

> astrologer shall not be criticised by another even if he differs.

> this is what one astrologer sees and you may see some thing

> different in the same chart or see the same chart differently.

for

> example when all astrologers including the most eminent of this

> group are forecasting rosy days for mahajan, if another astrologer

> finds that he would not survive he may give his prediction but he

> will definitely not criticise all those astrologers who predicted

> that mahajan would survive. some astrologers have even given

months

> and years when he will come back to power after some time. only

> time will tell whether these predictions would come true or not.

>

> i personally appreciate your observations on all the modern man

> invented yogas which do not find place in the original classics in

> the first place. however, when a native has convinced himself

that

> he is suffering from a non-existent dosha and is mentally

> demoralised, if he is advised a remedy to do some pooja, he would

be

> mentally relieved of that dosha. if you try to educate the native

> that he does not have any dosha, chances are that he would go to

> another astrologer to get a remedy. so in the first place itself,

> if you suggest him to visit a temple or recite a mantra invoking a

> god, you are doing no harm as visiting a temple or chanting a

mantra

> involve no expenditure and are good irrespective of whether the

> native has the dosha or not or the dosha has supportive references

> from the scriptures or not.

>

> for academic purpose or for writing books or for making

> presentations, we can debate on all these non existing yogas viz.

> manglik yoga, kaalsarpa yoga, neechabhanga rajayoga, grahan yoga

> etc. but when comes to serving the native who approaches with

these

> problems, our objective shall be to get him relief and not educate

> him by giving references from BPHS or various samhitas or nadi

books.

>

> with best wishes

> pandit arjun

>

> vedic astrology, "" <gg_0202@>

> wrote:

> >

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Shubha Vela & other learned members,

> > Of late we are very busy with this hit topic marriage between

> > Abhishek & Aishwarya & their breakup.Often, we make expert

> comments

> > after any incident & try prove that this was predestined through

> > various measures of prediction(be it backed by the classics or

> > not)...The USP is to prove ourselves correct......it's the most

> > futile thing which I believe...See one who is not thorough with

> his

> > knowledge, he/ she shouldn't make any expert comment...Though

> there

> > are few astrologers out here who are very expert, as Mr.R.C.

> > Srivastava for example....also Astrologers are not Gods,they are

> > human & to err is human.

> > The motto of replying to mr. shubha vela's mail is that to make

> > people aware of the topic "Kuja Dosha", a hot topic in Abhishek

&

> > Aishwarya's chart. For the last few years, i have seen

astrologer's

> > (both in TV,Newspapers & in the net as well)talking of only

three

> > things:-

> > 1>Kaal Sarpa Yoga----I donno from which book they have prepared

> > themselves for learning astrology,though am not a professional

> > astrologer, i have studied some classics & adapted from various

> > classics, which doesn't mention any kind of Yoga like Kaal Sarpa

> > Yoga.Some even claim that there are 12 types of kal Sarpa

Yoga.My

> > humble query to them-----Sir, Can you please tell us whihc book

> > discusses this yoga in detail???

> > 2>Saturn's sade sati-Not a bad topic, still i get myself

confused

> > when i see people doing good with a bad natal saturn & sade

sati...

> > i dont even find books mentioning this transit.Some also talk of

> > Dhaiya..Some even go to extent sade sati & dhaiya with respect

to

> 7

> > planets(the illiterate astrologers do this to frighten people so

> > that they take those astrologer's refuge & get themselves

> deceived).

> > 3>Kuja Dosha- Brihat Jyotish Sara says, Mars' position in

> > Lagna,4th,7th,8th,or in 12th house causes "Mangal Dosha" & warns

> if

> > the girl has it then she becomes "detrimental" or "ominous" to

her

> > prospective husband & vice-versa. However, if this Mars is with

> good

> > quality(guna-yukta)or if both the bride-groom have it, then

> results

> > of marriage will be normal.Good quality (guna-yukta) here

> means,the

> > condition of planet( as exalted, in own house, Mooltrikona,

> benefic

> > aspect, friend's aspect, in own vargas etc)

> > The book again says that if Saturn or Rahu occupies any of the

> above

> > said houses(i.e.1,4,7,8,12houses), then the Kuja Dosha gets

> totally

> > nullified(Bhaumadoshabhangayoga or KujadoshabhangaYoga).I am

quite

> > sure that most of the astrologers don't check or dont know this

> rule

> > of Kuja Dosha Bhangayoga.i have seen astrologers considering

Kuja

> > dosha from other planets(when it should be considered only from

> > Lagna & none else)

> > Well, let's look at Aishwarya's Chart

> > As per the data I have, she is of Kanya Lagna, Mars occupying

8th

> > house(i.e. Aries, own house of Mars).We know if Mars occupies

> > 1,4,7,8,or 12th house, then it results into Kuja Dosha, but in

> > Aishwarya's chart though Mars is posted in 8th house, it is guna-

> > yukta( or with good quality), so the Dosha reduces by 75%. Again

> in

> > her chart Rahu is posted in 4th house, thus nullifying the Kuja

> > dosha, & its no more Kuja Dosha, its Kuja Dosha Bhanga Yoga.

> > Now let's Look at Abhishek bachchan's chart.

> > He is born in Libra Lagna, with Rahu in Lagna & Mars in 8th.Here

> > Mars is not in own House, but in 8th results into Kuja Dosha,

but

> > nullified by the presence of Rahu in Lagna(as per Brihat Jyotish

> > Sarah), so its only KujaDoshaBhangaYogah.

> > So, both of the natives have got their Kuja Dosha

nullified...Here

> > Mr.Shubha Vela, didn't consider these factors(nullifying of Kuja

> > Dosha, probably didn't do it intentionally or overlooked).

> > If the learned members find this letter in use, then i will

> consider

> > my learning to be fruitful.I will check the marital happiness

> later.

> > My Best Wishes to this group & all Members,

> > With Humbleness,

> > .

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Mr.Shubha Vela,

I didn't blame you for KSY, but I talked of Astrologers as a whole(

right from Astrologer in the chamber using a laptop to the

astrologer or tarot card readers in the roadside), if a person makes

incorrect predictions, then the whole Astrologers society is at

jeopardy, whether others r good in doing that or not..

I dint challenge your predictons, rather u misunderstood me...

See, it will be better for us if you give reason that wut u

considered n wut not....not only u 'll benefit but also we will

benefit..

Wut u consider is your personal only...I follow the tradition &

respect the classics, how menial it be...

I always see the brighter side of Astrology, not the darker side of

Astrology...

I dont need to defend myself.. i just said wut i think....if u dont

agree with me...then dont agree..

Wish you all success & may Paratman Bless all of us,

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela

<pkgoteti wrote:

>

> GG,

> so u want to wash all the dirty linen of every astrologer on ME

only....?

>

> and can u find a single line in any of my postings so far On KSY?

>

> ONE hAND U SAY MAY BE I HAVE OVERLOOKED KUJA DOSHA, another

place u pick holes in all astrologers for using it.

>

> i have said clearly i consider 7th lord in 8th more a dosha than

kuja in 7 or 8.

>

>

>

> on Kuja dosha i have said it is not now as important as

times/era when women had to be taken care of by a family, which

gradullay failed, and worse iltreated the vidows in the family,

phyusically, socially, emotionally, sexually exploited them it is

just to protect hem that too in today's world I HAVE SAID

REPEATEDLY only 7, 8th house Kuja matters that too for 8/12 lagnas

or rasis.

>

> i don't consider 1,4,12 houses this is ICAS researched also for

over 22 yrs.in several group studies, discussions.

>

> ALSO WHU CA'T U C THE BRIOGHTER SIDE OF ASTROLOGY

> Where i pointed abhiseks father's life is in danger

> and later his too?

> no value for this predictions only if i say after the event and

fight to claim I SAID SO.

> this is there for the record in my name on 29th april 2006 wait

for the period and see.

>

>

> I only interpret the divine's games, I am not god sure.

>

>

>

> <gg_0202 wrote: ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Pandit Arjuna,

> Thank your for replying to my message.Apparently it might seem

that

> I have criticised to what Mr. Shubha Vela has predicted,but I

don't

> have the intention to criticise anybody be it regarding

prediction

> etc.I have mentioned in my mail that Mr.Shubha Vela might have

> overlooked the cancellation of Mangal Dosha already present in

their

> viz. Abhishek & Aishwarya's chart.

> I am not a professional Astrologer, but do it as a hobby, though

i

> consider myself thankful as i have been able to cater a lot of

> people through astrology...often people come to me, saying that

> somebody have told them their daughter have Kal sarpa yoga &

have

> come to get it verified from me, i tell them there is no Yoga

like

> that & people have contrived this so called "Kal Sarpa Yoga" to

earn

> living.

> Last year, my friend was worried about his sister's marriage &

came

> to me telling that his sister not getting married for She has

kuja

> dosha. I checked her chart & found that She has got mangal dosha

> cancelled in her chart, & i told her that she will get married

> within december 2005, & got married in the month of

> August,2005.Neither I am advertising nor blowing my trumpet,

but

> telling how people get deceived by these astrologers.

> To be frank, today has become an easiest way of living...u need

to

> study the subject even, just learn three things-kal sarpa yoga,

> Mangal dosha & sade sati...appear on the TV tell people all

bogus,

> so that take refuge at you & u finally deceive them...this has

> become the trend & become qt angry as i see things going like

this...

> Wish u all success,

> .

>

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend gaurav

> >

> > mr. shubha vela gave a "prediction" of the abhishek-aishwarya

> > marriage and not any hindsight analysis which has become the

> easiest

> > USP as you mentioned. whether his prediction would come true

or

> > not, only time will tell. by the way my own "prediction" is

that

> > their marriage is difficult in first place and they would be

> > separated. if you dont agree to this observation, let this be

my

> > view and let your view be yours. we dont engage in criticism

of

> one

> > another.

> >

> > i personally preach and practice that a "prediction" of one

> > astrologer shall not be criticised by another even if he

differs.

> > this is what one astrologer sees and you may see some thing

> > different in the same chart or see the same chart

differently.

> for

> > example when all astrologers including the most eminent of

this

> > group are forecasting rosy days for mahajan, if another

astrologer

> > finds that he would not survive he may give his prediction but

he

> > will definitely not criticise all those astrologers who

predicted

> > that mahajan would survive. some astrologers have even given

> months

> > and years when he will come back to power after some time.

only

> > time will tell whether these predictions would come true or

not.

> >

> > i personally appreciate your observations on all the modern

man

> > invented yogas which do not find place in the original

classics in

> > the first place. however, when a native has convinced himself

> that

> > he is suffering from a non-existent dosha and is mentally

> > demoralised, if he is advised a remedy to do some pooja, he

would

> be

> > mentally relieved of that dosha. if you try to educate the

native

> > that he does not have any dosha, chances are that he would go

to

> > another astrologer to get a remedy. so in the first place

itself,

> > if you suggest him to visit a temple or recite a mantra

invoking a

> > god, you are doing no harm as visiting a temple or chanting a

> mantra

> > involve no expenditure and are good irrespective of whether

the

> > native has the dosha or not or the dosha has supportive

references

> > from the scriptures or not.

> >

> > for academic purpose or for writing books or for making

> > presentations, we can debate on all these non existing yogas

viz.

> > manglik yoga, kaalsarpa yoga, neechabhanga rajayoga, grahan

yoga

> > etc. but when comes to serving the native who approaches with

> these

> > problems, our objective shall be to get him relief and not

educate

> > him by giving references from BPHS or various samhitas or nadi

> books.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > vedic astrology, ""

<gg_0202@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > > Dear Shubha Vela & other learned members,

> > > Of late we are very busy with this hit topic marriage

between

> > > Abhishek & Aishwarya & their breakup.Often, we make expert

> > comments

> > > after any incident & try prove that this was predestined

through

> > > various measures of prediction(be it backed by the classics

or

> > > not)...The USP is to prove ourselves correct......it's the

most

> > > futile thing which I believe...See one who is not thorough

with

> > his

> > > knowledge, he/ she shouldn't make any expert

comment...Though

> > there

> > > are few astrologers out here who are very expert, as Mr.R.C.

> > > Srivastava for example....also Astrologers are not Gods,they

are

> > > human & to err is human.

> > > The motto of replying to mr. shubha vela's mail is that to

make

> > > people aware of the topic "Kuja Dosha", a hot topic in

Abhishek

> &

> > > Aishwarya's chart. For the last few years, i have seen

> astrologer's

> > > (both in TV,Newspapers & in the net as well)talking of only

> three

> > > things:-

> > > 1>Kaal Sarpa Yoga----I donno from which book they have

prepared

> > > themselves for learning astrology,though am not a

professional

> > > astrologer, i have studied some classics & adapted from

various

> > > classics, which doesn't mention any kind of Yoga like Kaal

Sarpa

> > > Yoga.Some even claim that there are 12 types of kal Sarpa

> Yoga.My

> > > humble query to them-----Sir, Can you please tell us whihc

book

> > > discusses this yoga in detail???

> > > 2>Saturn's sade sati-Not a bad topic, still i get myself

> confused

> > > when i see people doing good with a bad natal saturn & sade

> sati...

> > > i dont even find books mentioning this transit.Some also

talk of

> > > Dhaiya..Some even go to extent sade sati & dhaiya with

respect

> to

> > 7

> > > planets(the illiterate astrologers do this to frighten

people so

> > > that they take those astrologer's refuge & get themselves

> > deceived).

> > > 3>Kuja Dosha- Brihat Jyotish Sara says, Mars' position in

> > > Lagna,4th,7th,8th,or in 12th house causes "Mangal Dosha" &

warns

> > if

> > > the girl has it then she becomes "detrimental" or "ominous"

to

> her

> > > prospective husband & vice-versa. However, if this Mars is

with

> > good

> > > quality(guna-yukta)or if both the bride-groom have it, then

> > results

> > > of marriage will be normal.Good quality (guna-yukta) here

> > means,the

> > > condition of planet( as exalted, in own house, Mooltrikona,

> > benefic

> > > aspect, friend's aspect, in own vargas etc)

> > > The book again says that if Saturn or Rahu occupies any of

the

> > above

> > > said houses(i.e.1,4,7,8,12houses), then the Kuja Dosha gets

> > totally

> > > nullified(Bhaumadoshabhangayoga or KujadoshabhangaYoga).I am

> quite

> > > sure that most of the astrologers don't check or dont know

this

> > rule

> > > of Kuja Dosha Bhangayoga.i have seen astrologers considering

> Kuja

> > > dosha from other planets(when it should be considered only

from

> > > Lagna & none else)

> > > Well, let's look at Aishwarya's Chart

> > > As per the data I have, she is of Kanya Lagna, Mars

occupying

> 8th

> > > house(i.e. Aries, own house of Mars).We know if Mars

occupies

> > > 1,4,7,8,or 12th house, then it results into Kuja Dosha, but

in

> > > Aishwarya's chart though Mars is posted in 8th house, it is

guna-

> > > yukta( or with good quality), so the Dosha reduces by 75%.

Again

> > in

> > > her chart Rahu is posted in 4th house, thus nullifying the

Kuja

> > > dosha, & its no more Kuja Dosha, its Kuja Dosha Bhanga Yoga.

> > > Now let's Look at Abhishek bachchan's chart.

> > > He is born in Libra Lagna, with Rahu in Lagna & Mars in

8th.Here

> > > Mars is not in own House, but in 8th results into Kuja

Dosha,

> but

> > > nullified by the presence of Rahu in Lagna(as per Brihat

Jyotish

> > > Sarah), so its only KujaDoshaBhangaYogah.

> > > So, both of the natives have got their Kuja Dosha

> nullified...Here

> > > Mr.Shubha Vela, didn't consider these factors(nullifying of

Kuja

> > > Dosha, probably didn't do it intentionally or overlooked).

> > > If the learned members find this letter in use, then i will

> > consider

> > > my learning to be fruitful.I will check the marital

happiness

> > later.

> > > My Best Wishes to this group & all Members,

> > > With Humbleness,

> > > .

> > >

> >

>

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vedic astrology, Me Shubha Vela <pkgoteti

wrote:

>

> GG,

> so u want to wash all the dirty linen of every astrologer on ME

only....?

 

My reply:-I dont have that much time to wash all the dirty linen of

every astrologer on you...

>

> and can u find a single line in any of my postings so far On KSY?

 

My Reply:-Did i blame you for posting messages on KSY???i talked of

other astrologer who use this KSY as a tool to earn money...

>

> ONE hAND U SAY MAY BE I HAVE OVERLOOKED KUJA DOSHA, another place u

pick holes in all astrologers for using it.

 

My Reply:-You dint read my first n subsequent messages properly. I told

you that u probably dint check that the Kuja dosha has been already

cancelled in Aishwarya's n Abhiskek's chart...

 

I pick holes of those astrologers who use it as a tool for earning

money, doesn't know the rules as laid in the sastras & make improper

calculations.

 

 

>

> i have said clearly i consider 7th lord in 8th more a dosha than kuja

in 7 or 8.

>My Reply:-Its ur headache...not mine...

>

>

> on Kuja dosha i have said it is not now as important as times/era when

women had to be taken care of by a family, which gradullay failed, and

worse iltreated the vidows in the family, phyusically, socially,

emotionally, sexually exploited them it is just to protect hem that too

in today's world I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY only 7, 8th house Kuja matters

that too for 8/12 lagnas or rasis.

> My Reply:-No comments

> i don't consider 1,4,12 houses this is ICAS researched also for over

22 yrs.in several group studies, discussions.

> My Reply:- Thanx for sharing this research report...still i dont

believe in all this stuff...I respect n follow the tradition with a

scientific bend of mind...I consider those houses for Kuja Dosha as laid

in the sastras how menial it be or in your language "unimportant" one...

dont segregate classics in your way of thinking!!!

> ALSO WHU CA'T U C THE BRIOGHTER SIDE OF ASTROLOGY

 

My reply:- IF i dont c the brighter side of Astrology, then am i doing

timepass in Astrology???

> Where i pointed abhiseks father's life is in danger

 

My reply:-I dint say anything about your predictons!!!

> and later his too?

> no value for this predictions only if i say after the event and fight

to claim I SAID SO.

 

My Reply:-Its your way of thinking...

> this is there for the record in my name on 29th april 2006 wait for

the period and see.

 

My Reply:-I dint challenge your prediction nor did i place any bet ....

>

>

> I only interpret the divine's games, I am not god sure.

> My Reply:-We think ourselves grrrr8 while interpreting the Divine

wish, n God often hurts our ego by doing things opposite as wut we have

predicted(pramod mahajan for example)

 

 

 

A final Advice:--Though i dont know wut is your Lagna, still if Moon is

your benefic then wearing a natural pearl of 6 carats will do....or if

Mercury is your yogkara then wear a good emerald of 4 carats....wear as

per you wish to keep your mind cold n calm...so that u r not easily

agitated... []

 

Doing pranayam like Anulom- Bilom as told by Swami Ramdev will also help

you,

 

Wish you all success....

 

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