Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Be gracious unto us, o Rudra, bring us bliss!h (Rigveda, I.114.2). Out of 6 main Shaiva-sampradayas five are Agamic and one is Vedic. This one is Pashupata-shaivism (see G.V.Tagare, gSaivism: Some Glimpsesh, Delhi, 1996, p. 3). Pashupatism is the earliest Hindu cult that survived till present time. Worship of Shiva (as Bhava, Rudra or Pashupati) was prominent already in Vedic times. Rigveda (I.43.5) calls Rudra gluminous like the Sun, gratifying like gold, best among the Godsh. The famous Mrityunjaya-mantra of Shiva occurs both in Rigveda (VII.59.12) and Yajurveda. The great mantra of Shiva, Panchakshari, appears in already in Yajurveda, in a Rudradhyaya section of Taittiriya-samhita (IV.5.7) and Satarudriya of Vajasaneyi-samhita (Ch. 16,18). Five mantras of Shiva, corresponding to five letters of Panchakshari, are found in Taittiriya-aranyaka (17.1-5); Sayanacharya, a famous Rigveda commentator, regards that the first words of these mantras are the names of the five Shivafs faces. Parts of these five mantras were taken by Lakulisha (100 B.C.E.), a Pashupata-shaiva teacher and reformer, into his Pashupata-sutra (1.40-44). Rudra is identified with Indra and Agni, main deities of Rigveda: Maitrayani-samhita of Samaveda (II.1.10) and Shatapatha-brahmana of Yajurveda (VI.1.3.10) say gagnirvai rudraHh, while Rigveda (II.33.3) and Atharvanaveda (IV. 28.3; II.2.7; X.1.23) describe Him as a thousand-eyed God, a holder of vajra and a killer or Vritra, i.e. Indra. Vedas identify Rudra with Rigvedic (X.90) primal Purusha: Taittiriya- aranyaka (X.14) calls Purusha as Bhutanamadhipati, i.e. Rudra; Yajurveda (Taittiriya- samhita, IV.5.1) describes Him in a same manner as a Virat-Purusha, and same is repeated in Shvetashvatara-upanishad (which belongs to Taittiriya-brahmana). Sayanacharya while commenting upon the verse IV.28.1 of Atharvanaveda, tells us that the Lord is called Bhava for having everything coming out of His body, and that He is called Sharva, because of His destructive character at the time of dissolution. Shatapatha-brahmana (VI.1..3.17) says that Ishana, the highest form of Rudra, is same as Aditya. Shvetashvatara-upanishad clearly describes Rudra as the Supreme God, Maheshvara (IV.10), Purusha of Rigveda and Vishvakarman who is seated in the hearts of all human beings (IV.17). Thus, Rigvedic Vishvakarma-daivata hymn (X.81) also describes Rudra and no other god. Rudra is identical to Soma, who was worshipped in a pillar, very similarly to Shivalinga worship. Mandukya-upanishad (verse 7) names the fourth, the highest pada of Brahman, as Shiva. Mahabharata mentions Krishnafs initiation into Pashupatism (Anushasana-parvan, 14.379-380). In the same chapter Yajnavalkya and Vedavyasa are said to have been Pashupata-shaivas. Gautama and Kanada, founders of Nyaya and Vaisheshika schools respectively, were Pashupatas (see Prof. R.K. Siddhantashastri, gSaivism Through the Agesh, Delhi, 1975, p. 99). To conclude with, Shaivism is essentially Vedic religion (as Pashupatism), which later got developed with the independent Agamic revelation. This Agamic revelation is considered to be the essence of Vedas. In Bhairava-Agamas Shaivism takes a Shakta form, but this Agamic Shaktism has its root in Vedas again. Shakta-Agamas view Vedic Agni (who is said to be all Gods together: Aitareya-brahmana, II.6.3) as Devi, Durga, Bhairavi or Kundalini. Durga is invoked with Vedic Rik (I.99.1) connected with Agni. In Devi-upanishad, also known as Devyatharva- shirsha (verse 9), Durga is called Agnivarna and Tapasa-jvalanti. Agni and Soma of Vedas (invoked in pair, for example, in Rigveda, I.93), or Agni and Indra (similarly coming in pair: Rigveda, I.21), are Shakti and Shiva of Tantras. Sri Bhaskararaya in Lalitasahasranama-bhashya (Name 407) quotes Shruti: gOne Rudra hidden in all beings, he is with Maya, with parts and without parts. He is Devi herself, and is not separated from her. By knowing this, one attains immortality.h Supreme Shakti of Tantras was known in Vedic times as Aditi, mother of gods, and her manifestations were Sarasvati, Ushas (gFace of Aditih \ Rigveda, I..113.19) and alike. Rigveda (I.89.10) says: gAditi is Heaven, Aditi is Mid-region, Aditi is Mother (Earth), Father and Son. She is all the Gods; she is the Five peoples. Aditi is all that is born and what is to be.h In Rigvedic Devi-sukta (X.125.3-4) the Goddess says: gThe Queen, I am the dispenser of wealth; conscious, I am the first among the Godsc They that ignore me run to ruin.h Kena-upanishad (which belongs to Tandya or Jaimini-brahmana of Samaveda) shows Uma revealing the knowledge of Brahman to the gods (according to Mahavasishtha, gUma is so called because it contains the essence of the Pranavah). In Muktika canon there are eight Upanishads devoted specifically to Shakti: Bahvricha, Bhavana, Devi, Saubhagyalakshmi, Savitri, Sita, Tripura, Tripuratapini. The worship of Shakti as the Yoni has also got Vedic roots: Aitareya-brahmana (II.6.3) says that gAgni is the womb of the Godsh; Shvetashvatara (V.5) calls Rudra as gYonih; and Brihadaranyaka (Kanva VI.4.2) refers to worship of womenfs Yoni by Prajapati. Both Brihadaranyaka (Kanva VI.4.3; VI.2.13) and Chandogya (XIII.1-2) view sexual act as holy practice. Tantric doctrine of divine nature of women also finds support in Vedic Shruti (Brihadaranyaka, Kanva III.9.11). gMay the Goddesses favour us with increase and great happiness!h (Rigveda, I.22.11). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 > Be gracious unto us, o Rudra, bring us bliss!h (Rigveda, I.114.2). > Out of 6 main Shaiva-sampradayas five are Agamic and one is Vedic. This one is Pashupata-shaivism. Pashupatism is the earliest Hindu cult that survived till present time. > Worship of Shiva (as Bhava, Rudra or Pashupati) was prominent already in Vedic times. Rigveda (I.43.5) calls Rudra gluminous like the Sun, gratifying like gold, best among the Godsh. The famous Mrityunjaya-mantra of Shiva occurs both in Rigveda (VII.59.12) and Yajurveda. Hello Arjuna, Salutations. I believe the Mrityunjaya-mantra is from the Tryambaka-lineage? This is beyond creed. > Rudra is identical to Soma, who was worshipped in a pillar, very similarly to Shivalinga worship. This sentence does not make sense to me. The Rg Veda clearly describes Soma in the most lucid way. I have read these mandalas for many years and also listened to the pure Sam-Veda recitations (chants). The Shivalinga worship of a black stone is different. Soma is white and light. Soma is without colour. Soma flows within. The lingas can really be seen in the crown-chakra. The teaching from Tryambaka is non-dual and mystic. > Mandukya-upanishad (verse 7) names the fourth, the highest pada of Brahman, as Shiva. Mahabharata mentions Krishnafs initiation into Pashupatism (Anushasana-parvan, 14.379-380). In the same chapter Yajnavalkya and Vedavyasa are said to have been Pashupata-shaivas. Gautama and Kanada, founders of Nyaya and Vaisheshika schools respectively, were Pashupatas (see Prof. R.K. Siddhantashastri, gSaivism Through the Agesh, Delhi, 1975, p. 99). > To conclude with, Shaivism is essentially Vedic religion (as Pashupatism), which later got developed with the independent Agamic revelation. This Agamic revelation is considered to be the essence of Vedas. Thanx for making this point. In my book "Shiva" i describe the Agamas as the fifth Veda, completing the Veda's. Also in Buddhism there is a secret teaching. Also in Islam there is a secret teaching from the prophet Mohammed (Peace be with him). To me the Agamic revelation completes the Veda. The Agamas are complete and full of themselves. The Vedas are completed by the Tantra or what you call Saivism. > In Bhairava-Agamas Shaivism takes a Shakta form, but this Agamic Shaktism has its root in Vedas again. What you mean with Bhairava-Agamas Shaivism if i may ask? You are talking about Trika? Trika is a revelation and does not stand on the fundament of the Vedas. It depends if you perceive Veda as a compilation of books or as the eternal fountain of wisdom and light. > Shakta-Agamas view Vedic Agni (who is said to be all Gods together: Aitareya-brahmana, II.6.3) as Devi, Durga, Bhairavi or Kundalini. Durga is invoked with Vedic Rik (I.99.1) connected with Agni. In Devi-upanishad, also known as Devyatharva- shirsha (verse 9), Durga is called Agnivarna and Tapasa-jvalanti. You sure like to quote many books - which is a most excellent habit. > Agni and Soma of Vedas (invoked in pair, for example, in Rigveda, I.93), or Agni and Indra (similarly coming in pair: Rigveda, I.21), are Shakti and Shiva of Tantras. Sri Bhaskararaya in Lalitasahasranama-bhashya (Name 407) quotes Shruti: gOne Rudra hidden in all beings, he is with Maya, with parts and without parts. He is Devi herself, and is not separated from her. By knowing this, one attains immortality.h Supreme Shakti of Tantras was known in Vedic times as Aditi, mother of gods, and her manifestations were Sarasvati, Ushas (gFace of Aditih \ Rigveda, I..113.19) and alike. Rigveda (I.89.10) says: gAditi is Heaven, Aditi is Mid-region, Aditi is Mother (Earth), Father and Son. She is all the Gods; she is the Five peoples. Aditi is all that is born and what is to be.h In Rigvedic Devi-sukta (X.125.3-4) the Goddess says: gThe Queen, I am the dispenser of wealth; conscious, I am the first among the Godsc They that ignore me run to ruin.h Kena-upanishad (which belongs to Tandya or Jaimini-brahmana of Samaveda) shows Uma revealing the knowledge of Brahman to the gods (according to Mahavasishtha, gUma is so called because it contains the essence of the Pranavah). In Muktika canon there are eight Upanishads devoted specifically to Shakti: Bahvricha, Bhavana, Devi, Saubhagyalakshmi, Savitri, Sita, Tripura, Tripuratapini. > The worship of Shakti as the Yoni has also got Vedic roots: Aitareya-brahmana (II.6.3) says that gAgni is the womb of the Godsh; Shvetashvatara (V.5) calls Rudra as gYonih; and Brihadaranyaka (Kanva VI.4.2) refers to worship of womenfs Yoni by Prajapati. Both Brihadaranyaka (Kanva VI.4.3; VI.2.13) and Chandogya (XIII.1-2) view sexual act as holy practice. Tantric doctrine of divine nature of women also finds support in Vedic Shruti (Brihadaranyaka, Kanva III.9.11). > gMay the Goddesses favour us with increase and great happiness!h (Rigveda, I.22.11). I am really fascinated what you actually try to convey in this impressive writing ... That the left-handed path of God is so great? First a strong Brotherhood needs to be formed. You can not fool me. I know precisely the situation of Tantra in this third millennium and it hardly exists. Satanism - also a left-hand path as you know - is only seriously practised in California and in the Netherlands. Many people have tantric fantasies. Crowley did interesting experiments with Scarlet-women. Western women are rather complex. Tantra has become the domain of wackos and dreamers. It is not so easy to figure out how to make the proper oblations. I thank you for your beautiful sharings. Ralph. ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 If Pasupatha is the original Shaiva and it is Vedic, this indicates, Shaiva naturally is a dualistic religions and Vedic sects are dualistic. - Arjuna Taranandanatha Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:06 AM Vedic Shaivism Be gracious unto us, o Rudra, bring us bliss!h (Rigveda, I.114.2). Out of 6 main Shaiva-sampradayas five are Agamic and one is Vedic. This one is Pashupata-shaivism (see G.V.Tagare, gSaivism: Some Glimpsesh, Delhi, 1996, p. 3). Pashupatism is the earliest Hindu cult that survived till present time. Worship of Shiva (as Bhava, Rudra or Pashupati) was prominent already in Vedic times. Rigveda (I.43.5) calls Rudra gluminous like the Sun, gratifying like gold, best among the Gods. [....] ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click./.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Vedic Shaivism could have been dualistic, but monistic ideas appeared already in Upanishads. And then were confirmed in Bhairavagamas. A , "ZZZ Jalasayanan" <jalasayanan wrote: > > If Pasupatha is the original Shaiva and it is Vedic, this indicates, Shaiva naturally is a dualistic religions and Vedic sects are dualistic. > > - > Arjuna Taranandanatha > > Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:06 AM > Vedic Shaivism > > > Be gracious unto us, o Rudra, bring us bliss!h (Rigveda, I.114.2).. > > Out of 6 main Shaiva-sampradayas five are Agamic and one is Vedic. This one is > Pashupata-shaivism (see G.V.Tagare, gSaivism: Some Glimpsesh, Delhi, 1996, p. 3). > Pashupatism is the earliest Hindu cult that survived till present time. > > Worship of Shiva (as Bhava, Rudra or Pashupati) was prominent already in Vedic times. > Rigveda (I.43.5) calls Rudra gluminous like the Sun, gratifying like gold, best among the > Gods?. [....] > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click./.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 The real problem is interpretations in Monistic lines happened only very late. Having declared that Pashupata is early shaivite system, all other systems came only after that, there is no space for Monism in olden days. In fact, many dualist commented on upanishad in dualistic method, confirming upanishad need not to teach monistic nature always. Idea that Pasupatha being early shaivism if approved defying monism being a reality - Arjuna Taranandanatha Friday, May 19, 2006 2:48 PM Re: Vedic Shaivism Vedic Shaivism could have been dualistic, but monistic ideas appeared already in Upanishads. And then were confirmed in Bhairavagamas. A , "ZZZ Jalasayanan" <jalasayanan wrote: > > If Pasupatha is the original Shaiva and it is Vedic, this indicates, Shaiva naturally is a dualistic religions and Vedic sects are dualistic. > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click./97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Pashupata is the earliest historically known Shaivism. This doesn't make it highest form of Shaivism. While Pashupata is dualistic, the most developed form of Shaivism, Paradvaita, is purely monistic. Its supremacy is based upon divinely revealed Bhairavagamas. , "ZZZ Jalasayanan" <jalasayanan wrote: > > The real problem is interpretations in Monistic lines happened only very late. > > Having declared that Pashupata is early shaivite system, all other systems came only after that, there is no space for Monism in olden days. > > In fact, many dualist commented on upanishad in dualistic method, confirming upanishad need not to teach monistic nature always. > > Idea that Pasupatha being early shaivism if approved defying monism being a reality > > > > - > Arjuna Taranandanatha > > Friday, May 19, 2006 2:48 PM > Re: Vedic Shaivism > > > Vedic Shaivism could have been dualistic, but monistic ideas appeared already in > Upanishads. And then were confirmed in Bhairavagamas. > > A > > , "ZZZ Jalasayanan" <jalasayanan@> wrote: > > > > If Pasupatha is the original Shaiva and it is Vedic, this indicates, Shaiva naturally is a > dualistic religions and Vedic sects are dualistic. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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