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advaitin, bhaskar.yr wrote:

>

> praNAms

> Hare Krishna

>

> Dr.Zakir Naik is a scholar in Islam religion but speaks with great

> authority about Christianity & hindu dharma as well (he quotes Rig,

> YajurvEda, BG & other hindu scripture by heart with exact verse &

chapter

> nos.!!!)..just wanted to know whether anybody in this group met him

> personally or via E-mail for any discussion??  Just an inquisitive

> question...since the subject is out of the scope of this group...I

request

> members to directly write to my ID...

>

> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

> bhaskar

>

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Re: Dr. Zakir Naik - A muslim scholar & orator

      bhaskar.yr (AT) in (DOT) abb.com   Add to Address Book   Add Mobile

Date:      Wed, 17 May 2006 09:26:59 +0530

 

praNAms Dear Members

Hare Krishna

 

Yesterday, as suggested by our member Sri Ramakrishna,  I was

watching Q TV channel in the morning where one Dr. Zakir Naik was

addressing a small gathering from different religions & answering

their queries based on his own religion i.e. Islam ...Before

embarking with my views on this programme, I would like to make it

clear that I dont know anything about this person and I've not

studied any of his works nor I've followed this programe regularly on

TV...My good friend Sri Ramakrishna has insisted me to watch this

programme & accordingly,  for the first time I've watched this

programme on TV y'day!!!...So, I'll not be in a position to throw

more light on his spiritual, philosophical & academic background...I

dont even know in which subject   he has got his doctorate...At the

end of the y'day programme it has been shown that he is president of

IRF (Islamic Research Foundation???  I think so) He is very young

(ofcourse looks like that:-))) and has a fragile looking physique

with neatly  dressed suit with typical muslim's orthodox  beard &

white clothed skull cap on his head...

 

I've started watching this programme from the middle after receiving

a call from Sri Ramakrishna about this prog....So, I could watch the

concluding part of this programme for about 15-20 minutes...In that

prog., one of the audience, I think  from Hindu religious background

has raised a question on reconciliation of Hindu & Islamic religions

with respect to the *concept of god* by referring a quote from one of

the upanishads...the crux of the question is,  in Hindu religion we

believe in one god and in Islam too they have only one god

concept ...based on this fundamental agreement, can we reconcile both

religions??  The upanishad maNtra quoted for this purpose is *yEkO

dEvaH sarvabhutEshu gUdAH, sarvavyApi, sarva bhutAntarAtma,

karmAdhyAksha, sAkshi chEtaH, kEvalo nirguNascha*...The person who

has quoted this maNtra said that it is from KatOpanishad...infact, 

this maNtra is from SvEtAshvatara upanishad & NOT from

KatOpanishad..anyway let that matter be aside...  While answering

this question, Dr. Zakir expressed the subjective nature of god in

hindu religion & said god in Hindu religion is in multiples...To

substantiate his stand he has quoted bhagavad gIta 7th chapter verse

19 to 25 ( am I right Ramakrishna???) and RigvEda & YajurvEda saMhitA

portion where saMbhUti (god in personification form) & asaMbhUti (god

as an impesonal / tattva based entity)  upAsana-s.   And then he

said, hindu religion advocates & upholds the doctrine of everything

is god and nothing other than god (this is the stand of

advaita..which he thinks hindu religion in totality)...whereas Islam

religion advocates everything *belongs* to god  that is nothing but

god's as against hindu's assertion *everthing is god*...Finally he

concluded, if we switchover from the doctrine of *everything is god*

to *god's* then there can be a harmony between these two religions..

 

 

It appears that he knows other religions' scriptures by heart

(Ramakrishna told me that he has the same authority in various

versions of Bible also & speaks fluently on Christianity also)...I've

also seen y'day, while presenting his views, from the memory he has

quoted the exact chapter no. verse no. etc. from bhagavad gIta, yajur

vEda & RigvEda.  There is no doubt that he has an indepth

*intellectual understanding* of our sacred scriptures & has every

reference to support his thoughts  at his finger tips..Nevertheless,

I should say that his understanding of hindu scriptures are purely

academic and not a traditional one & he is good enough to call a

muslim fundamentalist who is bigoted towards other religions &

doctrines ..why I am thinking like this??  it is because of following

observations :

 

(a)   Dr. Zakir has not addressed the question directly & digressed

from the topic & used the opportunity to attack hindu religion...

 

(b)  Dr. Zakir  has not pointed out the mistake in upanishad

reference...the person who is very keen on *pickings* should be in a

position to point out this mistake...but he failed to do so...from

this it is evident that he has studied ONLY selective portions of

hindu scriptures for which he thinks he has an answer in Islam

religion. This clearly shows how biased he is towards his religion.

 

©  Dr. Zakir said there are multiple gods in Hindu religion (1 to 3

to 3 crore!!!) but failed to point out the upanishad ultimatum i.e.

yEkam sat viprA bahudA vadaNti (truth is ONE..people talk about it

differently) in the same rig vEda which he quoted to prove his point!!

 

(d)  Dr. Zakir has no clue that in Hindu religion we have one more

school which holds the same view of Islam...that is none other than

madhvAchArya's philosophy of *tattvavAda* which vehimently upholds

the theory of *belongingness*..if he would have knows this school, he

would have definitely addressed this point while refuting hidu's

understanding of multiple gods & everything is god concepts...

 

(e)  Dr. Zakir has not at all interpreted the quoted upanishad verse

*yEkO devaH* instead of that he has cross quoted some other

references from smruti texts that too selectively without knowing

that fundamental premise in hindu religion is shruti pramANa...

 

(f)  Dr. Zakir quoted BG 7th chapter but failed to quote the same BG

where lord said *ahaM Atma, sarvabhutAshaya stitaha..ahamAdhishcha,

madhyancha butAnAm anantha mEvacha*...

 

List may go on and on....if I go deep into the yajur vEda & rigvEda

mantra-s...Since I donot want to stretch this further Ishall stop

here...  I request Sri Ramakrishna to point out if at all I have made

any mistake in quoting Dr. Zakir Naik's observation....because he is

the ONLY other person who has witnessed this programme :-))

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

 

PS :  Ramakrishna told me that Q TV broadcasting Dr. Zakir Naik's

question & answers programme twice every day at 9.30 AM & 5.30 PM

 

 

 

 

advaitin, "advaitins" <advaitins> wrote:

>

> Namaste Satsanghis:

>

> We strongly recommend all members if they believe that the subject

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With reference to the observations,may I submit the following:

 

1. Pick up the accusations made by Dr.Nayak or Mr. Ahmad Deedat

who are violent critics of Hinduism and answer them as the opposition's point of view in the spirit of seeeking truth and establish the truth as did our Lord and Saviour Sri Samkara Bhagavatpujyapa:da did in his commentaries without any personal involvement.

 

2. It is - in my humble view - absolutely the hour of the need to answer the accusations of ANTI-Adavitha or Hindu concepts to see that  our members - like me who are not well-informed -are not confused.

Recently,I heard his talk in which he claimed that their Prophet Muhammad PBUH is Kalki.

 

When I was in Nigeria, I heard a couple of times the denunciation of Hinduism as a religion of men, monkeys, snakes and serpents.

 

THANK YOU very much.

 

Yours

B

 

  

On Wed, 17 May 2006 advaitins wrote :

>Namaste Satsanghis:

>

>Sri Bhasker has sent his reply explaining why he posted the original

>message to the list. I am forwarding this message from sri Bhakser to

>the list for the benefit of interested members. Advaitin list may not

>tbe appropriate forum for further discussions on this topic. Such

>discussions may be conducted using a 'blog.'

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>

>Re: Dr. Zakir Naik - A muslim scholar & orator

>       bhaskar.yr (AT) in (DOT) abb.com   Add to Address Book   Add Mobile

>Date:      Wed, 17 May 2006 09:26:59 +0530

>

>praNAms Dear Members

>Hare Krishna

>

>Yesterday, as suggested by our member Sri Ramakrishna,  I was

>watching Q TV channel in the morning where one Dr. Zakir Naik was

>addressing a small gathering from different religions & answering

>their queries based on his own religion i.e. Islam ...Before

>embarking with my views on this programme, I would like to make it

>clear that I dont know anything about this person and I've not

>studied any of his works nor I've followed this programe regularly on

>TV...My good friend Sri Ramakrishna has insisted me to watch this

>programme & accordingly,  for the first time I've watched this

>programme on TV y'day!!!...So, I'll not be in a position to throw

>more light on his spiritual, philosophical & academic background...I

>dont even know in which subject   he has got his doctorate...At the

>end of the y'day programme it has been shown that he is president of

>IRF (Islamic Research Foundation???  I think so) He is very young

>(ofcourse looks like that:-))) and has a fragile looking physique

>with neatly  dressed suit with typical muslim's orthodox  beard &

>white clothed skull cap on his head...

>

>I've started watching this programme from the middle after receiving

>a call from Sri Ramakrishna about this prog....So, I could watch the

>concluding part of this programme for about 15-20 minutes...In that

>prog., one of the audience, I think  from Hindu religious background

>has raised a question on reconciliation of Hindu & Islamic religions

>with respect to the *concept of god* by referring a quote from one of

>the upanishads...the crux of the question is,  in Hindu religion we

>believe in one god and in Islam too they have only one god

>concept ...based on this fundamental agreement, can we reconcile both

>religions??  The upanishad maNtra quoted for this purpose is *yEkO

>dEvaH sarvabhutEshu gUdAH, sarvavyApi, sarva bhutAntarAtma,

>karmAdhyAksha, sAkshi chEtaH, kEvalo nirguNascha*...The person who

>has quoted this maNtra said that it is from KatOpanishad...infact,

>this maNtra is from SvEtAshvatara upanishad & NOT from

>KatOpanishad..anyway let that matter be aside...  While answering

>this question, Dr. Zakir expressed the subjective nature of god in

>hindu religion & said god in Hindu religion is in multiples...To

>substantiate his stand he has quoted bhagavad gIta 7th chapter verse

>19 to 25 ( am I right Ramakrishna???) and RigvEda & YajurvEda saMhitA

>portion where saMbhUti (god in personification form) & asaMbhUti (god

>as an impesonal / tattva based entity)  upAsana-s.   And then he

>said, hindu religion advocates & upholds the doctrine of everything

>is god and nothing other than god (this is the stand of

>advaita..which he thinks hindu religion in totality)...whereas Islam

>religion advocates everything *belongs* to god  that is nothing but

>god's as against hindu's assertion *everthing is god*...Finally he

>concluded, if we switchover from the doctrine of *everything is god*

>to *god's* then there can be a harmony between these two religions..

>

>

>It appears that he knows other religions' scriptures by heart

>(Ramakrishna told me that he has the same authority in various

>versions of Bible also & speaks fluently on Christianity also)...I've

>also seen y'day, while presenting his views, from the memory he has

>quoted the exact chapter no. verse no. etc. from bhagavad gIta, yajur

>vEda & RigvEda.  There is no doubt that he has an indepth

>*intellectual understanding* of our sacred scriptures & has every

>reference to support his thoughts  at his finger tips..Nevertheless,

>I should say that his understanding of hindu scriptures are purely

>academic and not a traditional one & he is good enough to call a

>muslim fundamentalist who is bigoted towards other religions &

>doctrines ..why I am thinking like this??  it is because of following

>observations :

>

>(a)   Dr. Zakir has not addressed the question directly & digressed

> from the topic & used the opportunity to attack hindu religion...

>

>(b)  Dr. Zakir  has not pointed out the mistake in upanishad

>reference...the person who is very keen on *pickings* should be in a

>position to point out this mistake...but he failed to do so...from

>this it is evident that he has studied ONLY selective portions of

>hindu scriptures for which he thinks he has an answer in Islam

>religion. This clearly shows how biased he is towards his religion.

>

>©  Dr. Zakir said there are multiple gods in Hindu religion (1 to 3

>to 3 crore!!!) but failed to point out the upanishad ultimatum i.e.

>yEkam sat viprA bahudA vadaNti (truth is ONE..people talk about it

>differently) in the same rig vEda which he quoted to prove his point!!

>

>(d)  Dr. Zakir has no clue that in Hindu religion we have one more

>school which holds the same view of Islam...that is none other than

>madhvAchArya's philosophy of *tattvavAda* which vehimently upholds

>the theory of *belongingness*..if he would have knows this school, he

>would have definitely addressed this point while refuting hidu's

>understanding of multiple gods & everything is god concepts...

>

>(e)  Dr. Zakir has not at all interpreted the quoted upanishad verse

>*yEkO devaH* instead of that he has cross quoted some other

>references from smruti texts that too selectively without knowing

>that fundamental premise in hindu religion is shruti pramANa...

>

>(f)  Dr. Zakir quoted BG 7th chapter but failed to quote the same BG

>where lord said *ahaM Atma, sarvabhutAshaya stitaha..ahamAdhishcha,

>madhyancha butAnAm anantha mEvacha*...

>

>List may go on and on....if I go deep into the yajur vEda & rigvEda

>mantra-s...Since I donot want to stretch this further Ishall stop

>here...  I request Sri Ramakrishna to point out if at all I have made

>any mistake in quoting Dr. Zakir Naik's observation....because he is

>the ONLY other person who has witnessed this programme :-))

>

>Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

>bhaskar

>

>PS :  Ramakrishna told me that Q TV broadcasting Dr. Zakir Naik's

>question & answers programme twice every day at 9.30 AM & 5.30 PM

>

>

>

>

>advaitin, "advaitins" <advaitins> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Satsanghis:

> >

> > We strongly recommend all members if they believe that the subject

> > matter is beyond the scope of this list, please do not post such

> > enquires to the list.  It is difficult for the moderators to stop a

> > discussion that a member not truly intended. We don't control

> > everyon's minds/computer/keyboard and consequently the list is

> > subject to unpleasant interchanges away from the theme of

> > spirituality.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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"Pick up the accusations made by Dr.Nayak or Mr. Ahmad Deedat

who are violent critics of Hinduism and answer them as the

opposition's point of view in the spirit of seeeking truth and

establish the truth as did our Lord and Saviour Sri Samkara

Bhagavatpujyapa:da did in his commentaries without any

personal involvement."

 

One should refer to the follwoing:

 

Muhammad is not predicted in Hindu scriptures

 

Zakir Naik and Abdul Haque Vidyarthi Exposed  

 

By S. Prasadh

 

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Prasadh51229.htm

 

 

Purpose Of Article  

 

Recently, it has become a fad for all Islamic websites to publish

Dr.Zakir Naik's (An Islamic Propagator from India ) and Dr.Abdul Haque

Vidyarthi's article on Muhammad foretold in Hinduism. It is a well

know fact that the same websites insult HINDU scriptures, their idols,

their ideology and criticize them vulgarly. But their desperation

leads them to cherry pick some verses from Hindu scriptures and

decipher them in their own terminology and claim that many mantras

point to MUHAMMAD. Let us take some of the alleged prophesies of

Muhammad in Vedas. Any internet search engine containing the worlds

Muhammad and Hindu returns a large number of results on this theme. A

number of textual proofs are given in support of this claim. While

this comforts the faithful, let us analyze these proofs rationally and

see whether the claim holds up under the clear light of reason, not

fogged by religious sentimentality. However, I must confess that I

have been unable to get hold of the book written by Dr. Vidyarthi, and

therefore I am refuting the material available on  this page,  a clear

material about claims of Dr.Zakir Naik has been presented in his home

site.  I shall be arguing on the premises of 5 aspects of such claims.

At the end of this article, you shall infer the truth about these

Islamic propagandists.

 

 

 

"When I was in Nigeria, I heard a couple of times the denunciation of

Hinduism as a religion of men, monkeys, snakes and serpents."

 

Unless one get cured for Biblical conditioning of his mind it is very

difficult to grasp the feel of Vedic spirituality. Unless one realize

(at least by intellect i.e. Budhi) that Observer & Observed are same

and one, one is always under the influenc of his ego.And we all know

the demands of this ego. So when an Abrahamic accuse a Hindu of

worshipping animal, tree etc he is talking from his Biblical  beleif

that God created this world (including woman) which is inferior to the

man for the enjoyent of the man. But is this beleif a universal

fact?

 

Once a westerner asked Bhgawan Ramana Maharshi that is there life in

trees and plants?. Bhagwan replied that there is life even in the rock

peiece on which you are sitting upon.

 

Regards

Chandra

 

  

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Hari OM!

 

" They are in me But I am not in them"

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

On 5/17/06, Felipe <fcrema .br> wrote:

>

>  Namaste all;

>

> As i came across all this, i logged in IRF, which was Dr. Zakir Naik's

> site, and upon reading a bit of his section on comparative religion, i

> could make out what i take to be the fundamental and most common

> mis-interpretation perceived to be directed to advaita.

>

> I am no scholar, but the general mood i got from his renderings is

> that same and old question by the purvapaksha's: "so, you think you

> are god?", only in a rather re-frased manner.

>

> In my understanding, belongingness is also a concept of advaita, once

> taken in a clear, unbiased perspective (which is obviously almost

> impossible...).

>

>