Phaladeepika & Mahapurusha Yoga from Moon/Bharat2

[Guest guest]

Dear Bharat,

That does happen with everyone. The key to the translation is the order

of shlokas and what they cover. Gopeshkumar was a very learned person ad

has brought many less known texts to light. When one is doing so much,

one can sometime make a mistake. That does not detract from his "Paanditya"

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

>

> Thank you for the clarification. I suppose it turned out to be an

> erroneous

> translation of Sanskrit by Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha. He has repeated the same

> words in another translation - I think it is Jatakalankaar.

>

> In any case, thank you for your email as it clarifies the issue.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > The Sanskrit shlokas appear in Gopeshkumarji's translation also. I think

> > Gopeshkumar, whom I respect much, perhaps misinterpreted the shloka. The

> > shloka says "Lagnedorapi" (1st word shloka 4 Chapter 6)meaning the

> > Grahas should be in Kendra from Lagna and also should be in Kendra from

> > Chandra. Had it been "Lagnedu vaa" or even "Lagnendu vaapi" it would

> > indicate that the grahas should be in Kendra from lagna or/and Moon.

> > "Lagnedorapi"  appearing, is in context with earlier shloka 3 and would

> > mean that when a Graha occupies Kendra in own or exaltation rasi,

> > Chandra should also occupy another Kendra. This would bring the graha in

> > Kendra to both Lagna and Chandra. This is in line with basic principles

> > of astrology as Chandra would get strength from occupying a Kendra. It

> > is said that strength of Chandra is the seed of strength of all grahas.

> > So the graha will receive additional strength besides strength obtained

> > from occupation of own/exaltation rasi. It is when this condition is

> > satisfied that Mantreshwar says that the Jataka will become a King

> > amongst Kings. This condition not being satisfied, he says that the

> > person will be a commander of army for Ruchaka yoga, a learned king for

> > Bhadra yoga, beautiful and appreciated by the Sajjan (good people) and

> > partaker of good food in Hamsa yoga,  valorous, strong, learned and

> > prosperous for Malavya yoga and powerful, leader of a city or a king,

> > praised by all but not having good behavior in fact and so on for Shasha

> > yoga.

> >

> > I trust this clarifies the matter.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > >

> > > The phaldeepika I possess does not have Sanskrit Translation, just a

> > > commentary of Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha in Hindi. Can you guide me to a

> > > translation of Phaldeepika?

> > >

> > > The reason I ask is, because Pt. Ojha on Page 111 on his translation

> > > writes

> > > this in hindi and I translate "That one must keep it in mind that

> > > Mantreshawar Maharaj has said that if the 5 grahas are in the Kendra

> > from

> > > Moon in Swarashi or Uccharashi, then it is considered as similar

> to yoga

> > > from lagna".

> > >

> > > I wonder where and which sholka has Mantreshwar Maharaj said so. Till

> > > date,

> > > I have not used the usage of Mahapurusha Yogas from Moon, but would

> > > like to

> > > find out if it has been said by the classical texts.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 5/14/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear David,

> > > >

> > > > Lagna and Moon in strength may not necessarily mean that the

> yogas are

> > > > to be read from Moon. It would mean Moon with Paksha bala and

> Lagna in

> > > > strength, the yoga causing graha being with strength and not

> blemished

> > > > by association of other grahas, especially malefics.

> > > >

> > > > By the way, Phaladeepika does not say that the yogas are to be seen

> > with

> > > > respect to Moon.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > Dear Shri Sunil,

> > > > >   I felt that you were wrong in stating that the MahaPrush Yoga

> > could

> > > > > originate either from the Lagna or the Moon.  I was under the

> > > > > impression that it should originate from lagna. Thanks for

> insisting

> > > > > that it could originate either from the Lagna or the Moon.

> > > > >   I looked up my copy of Phala deepika translated by G. S. Kapoor.

> > In

> > > > > Chapter 6 (page 62) where we read:

> > > > >   "These five yogas have been named as Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > Jataka Parijata has defined these Yogas as under:-

> > > > >     According as Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus or Saturn

> possessing

> > > > > the greatest strength and occupying a kendra is in Moolatrikona,

> > > > > Swakshetra or Swochcha, the resulting Rajayogas will be named

> > Ruchaka,

> > > > > Bhadra, Hamsa, Malavya and Sasa the beautiful."

> > > > >    According to Saravali, "Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and

> Mercury

> > > > > remaining in their respective own houses or exaltation signs,

> > > > > identical with kendra cause Malavya, Ruchuka, Sasa, Hamsa and

> Bhadra

> > > > > Yogas respectively."

> > > > >    But it is imperative that Yogas will the promised effects only

> > when

> > > > > the Lagna or Moon and Yoga forming planets are without blemish. In

> > > > > other words they are vested with strength and not associated

> with or

> > > > > in conjuction with malefics, are not combust and not placed

> between

> > > > > malefics.

> > > > >   The book contains charts of Stalin - with planetary formations

> > > > > making up Ruchaka and Malavya yogas.

> > > > >   Dr. Radha Krishnan  - Bhadra Yoga

> > > > >   Motilal Nehru - Hamsa Yoga

> > > > >   Jawarlal Nehru - Malavya Yoga

> > > > >   Sardar Patel - Sasa and Ruchuka Yogas.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >   David

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone  calls to 30+ countries for

> > just

> > > > > 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

 

Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha is most respectable to me despite the few errors. I

have not had the fortune of having a formal guru for astrology. Whatever

little I learnt was from books and discussions with whomsoever had any

knowledge. "Phaldeepika" by Punditji, incidently, was the first book I ever

read on hindu astrology. Just by its principles, I could predict. At that

time, I did not even know that Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra existed.

 

For me, Lord Shiva is the teacher for it is he who manifests in every

teacher and makes them so. I would never disregard to disrespect such a

teacher. I am glad you too hold him in high esteem.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat,

> That does happen with everyone. The key to the translation is the order

> of shlokas and what they cover. Gopeshkumar was a very learned person ad

> has brought many less known texts to light. When one is doing so much,

> one can sometime make a mistake. That does not detract from his

> "Paanditya"

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> >

> > Thank you for the clarification. I suppose it turned out to be an

> > erroneous

> > translation of Sanskrit by Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha. He has repeated the

> same

> > words in another translation - I think it is Jatakalankaar.

> >

> > In any case, thank you for your email as it clarifies the issue.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat,

> > > The Sanskrit shlokas appear in Gopeshkumarji's translation also. I

> think

> > > Gopeshkumar, whom I respect much, perhaps misinterpreted the shloka.

> The

> > > shloka says "Lagnedorapi" (1st word shloka 4 Chapter 6)meaning the

> > > Grahas should be in Kendra from Lagna and also should be in Kendra

> from

> > > Chandra. Had it been "Lagnedu vaa" or even "Lagnendu vaapi" it would

> > > indicate that the grahas should be in Kendra from lagna or/and Moon.

> > > "Lagnedorapi"  appearing, is in context with earlier shloka 3 and

> would

> > > mean that when a Graha occupies Kendra in own or exaltation rasi,

> > > Chandra should also occupy another Kendra. This would bring the graha

> in

> > > Kendra to both Lagna and Chandra. This is in line with basic

> principles

> > > of astrology as Chandra would get strength from occupying a Kendra. It

> > > is said that strength of Chandra is the seed of strength of all

> grahas.

> > > So the graha will receive additional strength besides strength

> obtained

> > > from occupation of own/exaltation rasi. It is when this condition is

> > > satisfied that Mantreshwar says that the Jataka will become a King

> > > amongst Kings. This condition not being satisfied, he says that the

> > > person will be a commander of army for Ruchaka yoga, a learned king

> for

> > > Bhadra yoga, beautiful and appreciated by the Sajjan (good people) and

> > > partaker of good food in Hamsa yoga,  valorous, strong, learned and

> > > prosperous for Malavya yoga and powerful, leader of a city or a king,

> > > praised by all but not having good behavior in fact and so on for

> Shasha

> > > yoga.

> > >

> > > I trust this clarifies the matter.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > >

> > > > The phaldeepika I possess does not have Sanskrit Translation, just a

> > > > commentary of Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha in Hindi. Can you guide me to a

> > > > translation of Phaldeepika?

> > > >

> > > > The reason I ask is, because Pt. Ojha on Page 111 on his translation

> > > > writes

> > > > this in hindi and I translate "That one must keep it in mind that

> > > > Mantreshawar Maharaj has said that if the 5 grahas are in the Kendra

> > > from

> > > > Moon in Swarashi or Uccharashi, then it is considered as similar

> > to yoga

> > > > from lagna".

> > > >

> > > > I wonder where and which sholka has Mantreshwar Maharaj said so.

> Till

> > > > date,

> > > > I have not used the usage of Mahapurusha Yogas from Moon, but would

> > > > like to

> > > > find out if it has been said by the classical texts.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 5/14/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear David,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lagna and Moon in strength may not necessarily mean that the

> > yogas are

> > > > > to be read from Moon. It would mean Moon with Paksha bala and

> > Lagna in

> > > > > strength, the yoga causing graha being with strength and not

> > blemished

> > > > > by association of other grahas, especially malefics.

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way, Phaladeepika does not say that the yogas are to be

> seen

> > > with

> > > > > respect to Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil,

> > > > > >   I felt that you were wrong in stating that the MahaPrush Yoga

> > > could

> > > > > > originate either from the Lagna or the Moon.  I was under the

> > > > > > impression that it should originate from lagna. Thanks for

> > insisting

> > > > > > that it could originate either from the Lagna or the Moon.

> > > > > >   I looked up my copy of Phala deepika translated by G. S.

> Kapoor.

> > > In

> > > > > > Chapter 6 (page 62) where we read:

> > > > > >   "These five yogas have been named as Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas.

> > > > > > Jataka Parijata has defined these Yogas as under:-

> > > > > >     According as Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus or Saturn

> > possessing

> > > > > > the greatest strength and occupying a kendra is in Moolatrikona,

> > > > > > Swakshetra or Swochcha, the resulting Rajayogas will be named

> > > Ruchaka,

> > > > > > Bhadra, Hamsa, Malavya and Sasa the beautiful.."

> > > > > >    According to Saravali, "Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and

> > Mercury

> > > > > > remaining in their respective own houses or exaltation signs,

> > > > > > identical with kendra cause Malavya, Ruchuka, Sasa, Hamsa and

> > Bhadra

> > > > > > Yogas respectively."

> > > > > >    But it is imperative that Yogas will the promised effects

> only

> > > when

> > > > > > the Lagna or Moon and Yoga forming planets are without blemish.

> In

> > > > > > other words they are vested with strength and not associated

> > with or

> > > > > > in conjuction with malefics, are not combust and not placed

> > between

> > > > > > malefics.

> > > > > >   The book contains charts of Stalin - with planetary formations

> > > > > > making up Ruchaka and Malavya yogas.

> > > > > >   Dr. Radha Krishnan  - Bhadra Yoga

> > > > > >   Motilal Nehru - Hamsa Yoga

> > > > > >   Jawarlal Nehru - Malavya Yoga

> > > > > >   Sardar Patel - Sasa and Ruchuka Yogas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >   David

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone  calls to 30+ countries

> for

> > > just

> > > > > > 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bharat,

 

You are right Guru tatwa which flows through Lord Shiva will express

itself to the true seeker through any medium. I have always held that

Pt. Gopeshkumar's commentaries on classics are some of the best that are

available, as he was not dogmatic and always gave Pramana for any

argument that he presents. His commentary on Jataka Parijat is also one

of the best such commentary. If you do not have it, do get it.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

>

> Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha is most respectable to me despite the few errors.. I

> have not had the fortune of having a formal guru for astrology. Whatever

> little I learnt was from books and discussions with whomsoever had any

> knowledge. "Phaldeepika" by Punditji, incidently, was the first book I

> ever

> read on hindu astrology. Just by its principles, I could predict. At that

> time, I did not even know that Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra existed.

>

> For me, Lord Shiva is the teacher for it is he who manifests in every

> teacher and makes them so. I would never disregard to disrespect such a

> teacher. I am glad you too hold him in high esteem.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> > That does happen with everyone. The key to the translation is the order

> > of shlokas and what they cover. Gopeshkumar was a very learned person ad

> > has brought many less known texts to light. When one is doing so much,

> > one can sometime make a mistake. That does not detract from his

> > "Paanditya"

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > >

> > > Thank you for the clarification. I suppose it turned out to be an

> > > erroneous

> > > translation of Sanskrit by Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha. He has repeated the

> > same

> > > words in another translation - I think it is Jatakalankaar.

> > >

> > > In any case, thank you for your email as it clarifies the issue.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 5/16/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > The Sanskrit shlokas appear in Gopeshkumarji's translation also. I

> > think

> > > > Gopeshkumar, whom I respect much, perhaps misinterpreted the shloka.

> > The

> > > > shloka says "Lagnedorapi" (1st word shloka 4 Chapter 6)meaning the

> > > > Grahas should be in Kendra from Lagna and also should be in Kendra

> > from

> > > > Chandra. Had it been "Lagnedu vaa" or even "Lagnendu vaapi" it would

> > > > indicate that the grahas should be in Kendra from lagna or/and Moon.

> > > > "Lagnedorapi"  appearing, is in context with earlier shloka 3 and

> > would

> > > > mean that when a Graha occupies Kendra in own or exaltation rasi,

> > > > Chandra should also occupy another Kendra. This would bring the

> graha

> > in

> > > > Kendra to both Lagna and Chandra. This is in line with basic

> > principles

> > > > of astrology as Chandra would get strength from occupying a

> Kendra. It

> > > > is said that strength of Chandra is the seed of strength of all

> > grahas.

> > > > So the graha will receive additional strength besides strength

> > obtained

> > > > from occupation of own/exaltation rasi. It is when this condition is

> > > > satisfied that Mantreshwar says that the Jataka will become a King

> > > > amongst Kings. This condition not being satisfied, he says that the

> > > > person will be a commander of army for Ruchaka yoga, a learned king

> > for

> > > > Bhadra yoga, beautiful and appreciated by the Sajjan (good

> people) and

> > > > partaker of good food in Hamsa yoga,  valorous, strong, learned and

> > > > prosperous for Malavya yoga and powerful, leader of a city or a

> king,

> > > > praised by all but not having good behavior in fact and so on for

> > Shasha

> > > > yoga.

> > > >

> > > > I trust this clarifies the matter.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > Namaskaar Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > > >

> > > > > The phaldeepika I possess does not have Sanskrit Translation,

> just a

> > > > > commentary of Pt. Gopesh Kumar Ojha in Hindi. Can you guide me

> to a

> > > > > translation of Phaldeepika?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I ask is, because Pt. Ojha on Page 111 on his

> translation

> > > > > writes

> > > > > this in hindi and I translate "That one must keep it in mind that

> > > > > Mantreshawar Maharaj has said that if the 5 grahas are in the

> Kendra

> > > > from

> > > > > Moon in Swarashi or Uccharashi, then it is considered as similar

> > > to yoga

> > > > > from lagna".

> > > > >

> > > > > I wonder where and which sholka has Mantreshwar Maharaj said so.

> > Till

> > > > > date,

> > > > > I have not used the usage of Mahapurusha Yogas from Moon, but

> would

> > > > > like to

> > > > > find out if it has been said by the classical texts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 5/14/06, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear David,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna and Moon in strength may not necessarily mean that the

> > > yogas are

> > > > > > to be read from Moon. It would mean Moon with Paksha bala and

> > > Lagna in

> > > > > > strength, the yoga causing graha being with strength and not

> > > blemished

> > > > > > by association of other grahas, especially malefics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way, Phaladeepika does not say that the yogas are to be

> > seen

> > > > with

> > > > > > respect to Moon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > David Andrews wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Sunil,

> > > > > > >   I felt that you were wrong in stating that the MahaPrush

> Yoga

> > > > could

> > > > > > > originate either from the Lagna or the Moon.  I was under the

> > > > > > > impression that it should originate from lagna. Thanks for

> > > insisting

> > > > > > > that it could originate either from the Lagna or the Moon.

> > > > > > >   I looked up my copy of Phala deepika translated by G. S.

> > Kapoor.

> > > > In

> > > > > > > Chapter 6 (page 62) where we read:

> > > > > > >   "These five yogas have been named as Pancha Mahapurusha

> Yogas.

> > > > > > > Jataka Parijata has defined these Yogas as under:-

> > > > > > >     According as Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus or Saturn

> > > possessing

> > > > > > > the greatest strength and occupying a kendra is in

> Moolatrikona,

> > > > > > > Swakshetra or Swochcha, the resulting Rajayogas will be named

> > > > Ruchaka,

> > > > > > > Bhadra, Hamsa, Malavya and Sasa the beautiful."

> > > > > > >    According to Saravali, "Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and

> > > Mercury

> > > > > > > remaining in their respective own houses or exaltation signs,

> > > > > > > identical with kendra cause Malavya, Ruchuka, Sasa, Hamsa and

> > > Bhadra

> > > > > > > Yogas respectively."

> > > > > > >    But it is imperative that Yogas will the promised effects

> > only

> > > > when

> > > > > > > the Lagna or Moon and Yoga forming planets are without

> blemish.

> > In

> > > > > > > other words they are vested with strength and not associated

> > > with or

> > > > > > > in conjuction with malefics, are not combust and not placed

> > > between

> > > > > > > malefics.

> > > > > > >   The book contains charts of Stalin - with planetary

> formations

> > > > > > > making up Ruchaka and Malavya yogas.

> > > > > > >   Dr. Radha Krishnan  - Bhadra Yoga

> > > > > > >   Motilal Nehru - Hamsa Yoga

> > > > > > >   Jawarlal Nehru - Malavya Yoga

> > > > > > >   Sardar Patel - Sasa and Ruchuka Yogas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >   David

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone  calls to 30+ countries

> > for

> > > > just

> > > > > > > 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >