Unenlightened angels in holy holding ground wishing they were here

[Guest guest]

>> We are told that a human birth is so precious because it gives us the

>> opportunity to achieve enlightenment. It is said that even the angels

>> in heaven do not have this.

>

> yep.

> it's true.

>

 

 

This is an example of what I question about "Faith".

 

This idea that there are "angels" and that they "wish they were here" are

both just beliefs, and yet such ideas swell by social useage into massive

campaigns that guide young people's lives into strange places.

 

Also, if they are in "Heaven", then are they not already "enlightened".

 

Note, now we have four concepts which are unproven,

 

angels

wish they were here

enlightenment

heaven

 

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The above is my posting. What I say now is an addendum: Please don't preach

to me about my posting.

 

Thanks

 

Rick

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

sorry, das, for being so imprecise.

thanks for catching me on that.

i should have said more.

and i should have quoted only the part i was responding to...

 

>> We are told that a human birth is so precious because it gives us the

>> opportunity to achieve enlightenment.

 

and i can agree with that not because of belief or faith but because

of personal experience -- and knowing many others who have the

same experience.

 

and that happy face is not happy because of sarcasm, but because

i am a happy person. i am VERY happy that there is opportunity on

this planet in this age for enlightenment... for us all.

 

i am not much into belief or faith. i am into experience. i trust

only my own experience, no one else's and no one's promises of

something then and there, either long ago or in the future.

but i think i would be foolish to have just doubted and never

looked, when all the great books agree that there is something and

that all humans who want it can have it. the key is the wanting.

and i guess that's what i don't like about some religions --

they say it is impossible to achieve in this lifetime and that you have

to wait until after you die to reach it... if that was true, how could

anyone have ever written about their experience? and there are

writings all over the globe that talk about that experience. simple

folk, grand folk, whoever has wanted it, and been willing to have it,

has had it.

 

it is a pity that people are driven to search so hard for bliss outside,

when it is built-in. if it was not standard operating equipment, even

our best attempts to find it outside would fail, because we would

not be able to feel it, even if we found a big pile of it out there on

our front lawn.

 

the experience of sweetness is not in the fruit, but in the sensation

we feel when our own taste buds meet the fruit. if you ever felt

good, it's because you are filled with good feelings and something,

someone, somewhere, sometime, triggered the good feelings.

what testifies to that? when relaxed, your own memories recall the

good feelings, even when the person, place or thing is not there.

right? the good feelings are there, have always been there, will

always been there. they are there because they are what you are

made of. those little shimmering, shining, glowing, moving, tiny

little pieces of light. enlightenment is becoming aware of the light.

it is already there.

 

light is in YOU. light is in us all or we would not dream dreams

that are like movies, so real we wake up tingling with love or

screaming in terror...

movies are happening in us because there is light in there already.

our eyes are closed and we see images dance before us. we hear

conversation, singing, in our dreams. we feel love, terror in our

dreams. so, watching the movie is one thing. turning around and

looking into the pure white light that comes through the film, is

another. and it's quite a kick. the highest high.

or as socrates said, "ABSOLUTE beauty."

it blew arjuna's socks off.

profound. deep. ultimately satisfying.

love, patricia

 

 

On May 17, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Das Goravani wrote:

 

>>> We are told that a human birth is so precious because it gives us

>>> the

>>> opportunity to achieve enlightenment. It is said that even the

>>> angels

>>> in heaven do not have this.

>>

>> yep.

>> it's true.

>>

>

>

> This is an example of what I question about "Faith".

>

> This idea that there are "angels" and that they "wish they were

> here" are

> both just beliefs, and yet such ideas swell by social useage into

> massive

> campaigns that guide young people's lives into strange places.

>

> Also, if they are in "Heaven", then are they not already

> "enlightened".

>

> Note, now we have four concepts which are unproven,

>

> angels

> wish they were here

> enlightenment

> heaven

>

> ------

>

> The above is my posting. What I say now is an addendum: Please

> don't preach

> to me about my posting.

>

> Thanks

>

> Rick

>

>

>

>

>

>