Guest guest Posted January 1, 2000 Report Share Posted January 1, 2000 > > Different quotes are for different people, and there is no harm for a > > devotee to be aware of those that don't apply to him at his present > > stage. > > ...provided he/she honestly recognises his/her present stage. Hare > Krishna! The discussion was not about anyone's personal stage but was about the fact that if a sincere & pure devotee discusses the lusty feelings between the gopies & Krsna, he makes quick progress in spiritual life according to Srila Prabhupada. Here is the quote from Srila Prabhupada which makes everything clear: "Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura has commented in this connection that the word adi means adi-rasa, the original lusty feeling, which is born from the Supreme. However, spiritual lust and material lust are as completely different as gold and iron. Only one who is very highly elevated in spiritual realization can understand the lusty feelings exchanged between Radha and Krsna, or between Krsna and the damsels of Vraja. Therefore, unless one is very experienced and advanced in spiritual realization, he is forbidden to discuss the lusty feelings of Krsna and the gopis. However, if one is a sincere and pure devotee, the material lust in his heart is completely vanquished as he discusses the lusty feelings between the gopis and Krsna, and he makes quick progress in spiritual life." (SB 5.25.5 purp) Ofcourse someone may say that I am not sincere and not pure so I don't want to discuss Radha Krsna lila. If he is feeling really humble that is okay but if he is doing it as a deliberate act to belittle (label them as sahijayas) those who are genuinely attracted to Radha Krsna lila then it is like saying that I am so sick that I cannot take the medicine. Then how do you expect to get better. What Bhakti Vikasa Swami is pointing out is that one cannot say that such personalities who are immersed in Krsna's astha-kaliya-lila-smarana by reading Krsna Bhajanamrta (or Govinda Lilamrta) for eg. are sahajiyas. In the quote below from Krsna book Chp 46, Prabhupada speaks about how exalted devotees can always remain in touch with Krsna by lila-smarana by reading the most intimate & esoteric book, Krsna Bhavanamrta Mahakavya written by Srila Viswanatha Chakravarti Thakura: "Since Krsna had departed from Vrndavana and gone to Mathura, the inhabitants of Vrndavana, especially mother Yasoda, Nanda Maharaja, Srimati Radharani, the gopis and the cowherd boys, were simply thinking of Krsna at every step. They were thinking, "Here Krsna was playing in this way. Here Krsna was blowing His flute. Krsna was joking with us in this way, and Krsna was embracing us like this." This is called lila-smarana, and it is the process of association with Krsna most recommended by great devotees; even Lord Caitanya, when He was at Puri, enjoyed lila-smarana association with Krsna. Those in the most exalted position of devotional service and ecstasy can live with Krsna always by remembering His pastimes. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura has given us a transcendental literary work entitled Krsna-bhavanamrta, which is full with Krsna's pastimes. Exalted devotees can remain absorbed in Krsna-thought by reading such books." At the most one can say that I am not so exalted to do it but one should not try to judge others especially those who are in Lord Caitanya's movement and service his pure devotee Srila Prabhupada. Your servant, Nayana-rañjana d€sa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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