Guest guest Posted April 11, 2000 Report Share Posted April 11, 2000 >From notes compiled by HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada several times, told a story to demonstrate how strict Sarasvati Thakura actually was in dealing with women. The wife of O.B.L. Kapoor, who was also the harernama disciple of Sarasvati Thakura, requested to see him in private to speak with him. At that time he was old enough to be her grandfather, and was a very senior, respected, naistik brahmacari-guru, but still he said, "No, I cannot see you alone. Whatever you have to say, do so in the company of others." Dr. Kapoor revealed how Sarasvati Thakura gave harernama to his wife, without even seeing her face, because there was a screen placed between them. The Zamindar (landholder), a very rich man of Navadvipa, was named (?) His mother was over 60 years old and he brought her to meet Sarasvati Thakura, but he said, "Mother, you stay downstairs. Don't come up. I don't want to meet any women. Send your son to meet me." Even women accompanied by their husbands couldn't come to meet him. During lectures, a fixed screen divided the men and women, so they couldn't see each other. This was very strict. ISKCON's SP Letter, 7/4/70: "He didn't like very much preaching amongst women." Some centers (Gaudiya Math) maintain more strict standards than others. They had a division system, where a screen was put so that the women might have been able to see the men but the men could not see the women. When spreading out the carpet to sit on they would not allow the men and women to sit near each other on it.) The marriages were performed in their home village or town, not in the math. Sraddha ceremonies were performed in the math. Unmarried girls would take harernama at their own risk. He did accept just a very few. If their parents married them to someone who was opposed to their Krsna consciousness then they had to continue whatever their husband was like. That was not Sarasvati Thakura's concern. His policy was that women must be married. He didn't like the idea of unmarried women. Women were always separate from the men, in the public assembly. Chik (a fine bamboo screen for dividing women from men) was used not only in the Gaudiya Math but was also common in public meetings. Sarasvati Thakura many times quoted the S.B. verse from the 9th canto (S.B. 9.19.17), which is also in Manu samhita, matra svasra duhitra va - even a learned person shouldn't sit close to his mother, daughter, or sister, because the senses are so strong that they can agitate the mind even of a learned person. After taking diksa, or second initiation, not at the time of harernama, or first initiation, all the brahmacaris living in the Math could wear saffron coloured robes, but if they became implicated with women, Sarasvati Thakura said they had to wear white. Many brahmacaris wearing saffron later on got married, that wasn't forbidden. Unlike the South Indian sampradayas, before taking sannyasa, the devotees were not checked with astrology. Sarasvati Thakura said, "Don't sit against the wall. That is stri-sanga. That bodily comfort is a kind of pleasure as a stri-sanga is a kind of bodily pleasure." Sarasvati Thakura himself would sit with a very straight back. He would say, "Aram (comfort) is haram (abominable)." So he warned his disciples against subtle sense pleasure in this way. This instruction was especially meant for brahmacaris and sannyasis. In Sarasvati Thakura's Gaudiya Bhasya commentary, he always discouraged the association of women within the Math also. They could come and visit and take darshan etc., but not intimately mix-up. They should keep away from the place of cooking, because that's the extension of the Deity service. Very strict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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