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Srimad Bhagavatam 4.28.41 Purport

"In this verse the words saksad bhagavatoktena guruna harina are very

significant. The Supreme Personality of Godhead speaks directly to the

individual soul when the devotee has completely purified himself by

rendering devotional service to the Lord. Lord Krsna confirms this also in

Bhagavad Gita (10.10). "To those who are constantly devoted and worship me

with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to me."

 

The Lord is the Supersoul situated in everyones heart, and he acts as caitya

guru, the spiritual master within. However, he gives direct instructions

only to the advanced, pure devotees. In the beginning, when a devotee is

serious and sincere, the Lord gives him directions from within to approach a

bonafide spiritual master. When one is trained by the spiritual master

according to the regulative principles of devotional service and situated on

the platform of spontaneous attachment for the Lord (raga-bhakti), the Lord

also gives instructions from within.Tesam satata yuktanam bhajatam priti

purvakam. This distinct advantage is obtained by a liberated soul. Having

attained this stage, King Malayadvaja was directly in touch with the Supreme

Lord and was receiving instructions from Him directly."

 

NOD page 119

"Examples of spontaneous devotional service can be easily seen in Krsnas

direct associates in Vrndavana. The spontaneous dealings of the residents of

Vrindavana in relationship with Krsna are called raganuga. These beings

don't have to learn anything about devotional service; they are already

perfect in all regulative principles and have achieved the spontaneous

loving service of the Supreme personality of Godhead. For example the

cowherd boys who are playing with Krsna do not have to learn by austerities

or penances or yogic practice how to play with Him. They have passed all

tests of regulative principles in their previous lives, and as a result they

are now elevated to the position of direct association with Krsna as His

dear friends. Their spontaneous attitude is called raganuga bhakti.

 

Rupa Goswami has defined raganuga bhakti as spontaneous attraction for

something while completely absorbed in thoughts in it, with an intense

desire of love. Devotional service executed with such feelings of

spontaneous love is called raganuga bhakti."

 

Your servant

Samba das

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There is no difference between sadhana bhakti and raganuga bhakti. They are

both same just like the two sides of a leaf. The top smooth surface of the

leaf is raganuga and the bottom rough surface is Vaidhi. The only difference

is in the sadhana bhakti one performs devotional activities by force of

Guru,Sadhu, abnd Shastra. In raganuga stage they perform the same but

spontaneously.

 

A sadhana bhakta gets up for managalarati by hearing the ring of the bell of

the spiritual master or by alarm clcok. In raganuga stage one gets up for

mangalarati automatically, with out any force. In both cases one must rise

for mangalarati.

 

A sadhana bhakta may take a cold shower early morning feeling austerity. A

raganuga bhakta takes cold shower feeling joyously. But pratah snana is a

must for both sadhana bhakta and raganuga bhakta.

 

Devotional principles are same for both sadhana bhakta and raganuga bhakta.

The only difference is in the first case they are followed by force of Guru,

Sadhu, and Shastra feeling austerity or tapasya, and in second case also

according to Guru,Sadhu, and Shastra but voluntarily or spontaneously, with

great pleasure.

 

That is my understanding.

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Das.

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but you, yourself, wrote here that there are differences and quite

strikingly different. They are both Krsna concious but greatly

different.

 

"Bhadra Govinda (das) JPS (Singapore - SG)" wrote:

>

> There is no difference between sadhana bhakti and raganuga bhakti. They are

> both same just like the two sides of a leaf. The top smooth surface of the

> leaf is raganuga and the bottom rough surface is Vaidhi. The only difference

> is in the sadhana bhakti one performs devotional activities by force of

> Guru,Sadhu, abnd Shastra. In raganuga stage they perform the same but

> spontaneously.

>

> A sadhana bhakta gets up for managalarati by hearing the ring of the bell of

> the spiritual master or by alarm clcok. In raganuga stage one gets up for

> mangalarati automatically, with out any force. In both cases one must rise

> for mangalarati.

>

> A sadhana bhakta may take a cold shower early morning feeling austerity. A

> raganuga bhakta takes cold shower feeling joyously. But pratah snana is a

> must for both sadhana bhakta and raganuga bhakta.

>

> Devotional principles are same for both sadhana bhakta and raganuga bhakta.

> The only difference is in the first case they are followed by force of Guru,

> Sadhu, and Shastra feeling austerity or tapasya, and in second case also

> according to Guru,Sadhu, and Shastra but voluntarily or spontaneously, with

> great pleasure.

>

> That is my understanding.

>

> Your humble servant,

> Bhadra Govinda Das.

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On 24 Sep 2000, Bijaya Kumara das Brian D. Grover wrote:

 

> but you, yourself, wrote here that there are differences and quite

> strikingly different. They are both Krsna concious but greatly

> different.

 

Agreed. The difference is only in the mood / consciousness of the devotee.

There is no difference in the basic regulative principles of Bhakti, such as

the 64 regulative principles of devotional service. They remain same both in

vaidhy *sadhana* stage and at raganuga *sadhana* stage.

 

Both are sadhakas. Vaidhy Sadhaka and Raganuga Sadhaka. sadhana means

Practice. Vaidhy sadhana and raganuga sadhana.

 

One more examples is, a vaidhy sadhaka may very carefully avoid making

offences, because the shastra says, one will fall down to hell due to

offence, or becuase in Hari Bhakti Vilasa Rupa Goswami states it as the 19th

regulative principle of devotional service. A raganuga sadhaka automatically

or naturally avoids offences, not because of the fear of fall down, or becuase

he remembers the 19 th regulative principle of Hari Bhakti Vilasa by Srila

Rupa Goswami, but because it is simply by his nature or consciouness he does

not make offences. The point is both vaidhy sadhaka and raganuga sadhaka

avoid offences. The devotional principle of avoiding offence does not change.

It remains the same, in both cases.

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Das.

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> "Bhadra Govinda (das) JPS (Singapore - SG)" wrote:

> >

> > There is no difference between sadhana bhakti and raganuga bhakti. They

> > are both same just like the two sides of a leaf. The top smooth surface

> > of the leaf is raganuga and the bottom rough surface is Vaidhi. The only

> > difference is in the sadhana bhakti one performs devotional activities

> > by force of Guru,Sadhu, abnd Shastra. In raganuga stage they perform

> > the same but spontaneously.

 

Bijaya Kumar prabhu wrote:

> but you, yourself, wrote here that there are differences and quite

> strikingly different. They are both Krsna concious but greatly

> different.

 

Yes, I thought the differences were quite significant that's why I posted

the text. The person in the raganuga stage will never fall down, and he has

the 'distinct advantage' as Srila Prabhupada writes, of having the 'direct

instruction' of the Lord.

 

Your servant

Samba das

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> "Bhadra Govinda (das) JPS (Singapore - SG)" wrote:

> >

> > There is no difference between sadhana bhakti and raganuga bhakti. They

> > are both same just like the two sides of a leaf. The top smooth surface

> > of the leaf is raganuga and the bottom rough surface is Vaidhi. The only

> > difference is in the sadhana bhakti one performs devotional activities

> > by force of Guru,Sadhu, abnd Shastra. In raganuga stage they perform

> > the same but spontaneously.

 

Just a clarification about mistaking raganuga for ragatmika.

 

Ragamika is spontaneous devotional service, the "raga" is "atmika" (of the

soul). Raganuga, like vaidhi, is also according to guru, sadhu and sastra --

"anuga" (following in the footsteps) of "raga."

 

yours in service, vaiyasaki dasa...

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