Guest guest Posted November 9, 2000 Report Share Posted November 9, 2000 > > But Prabhu the humble question is why took the Lord Ramacandra a Guru and > also Lord Sri Krsna took Sandipani as His Guru ? I don't know why you ask this question. About 70% of my message in the answer to the very question you are asking. Please read the message carefully. I will repeat a part of it: FROM PURPORT: [...] "Although Deity worship is not essential, the material conditioning of most candidates for devotional service requires that they engage in this activity. [...] In other words, the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra is so powerful that it does not depend on official initiation, but if one is initiated and engages in pancaratra-vidhi (Deity worship), his Krsna consciousness will awaken very soon, and his identification with the material world will be vanquished. Similarly, the Ramarcana-candrika states: vinaiva diksam viprendra purascaryam vinaiva hi vinaiva nyasa-vidhina japa-matrena siddhi-da "O best of the brahmanas, even without initiation, preliminary purification or acceptance of the renounced order, one can attain perfection in devotional service simply by chanting the Lord's holy name." So in other words, chanting is sufficient to liberate us but the whole process is speeded up and success is completely assured if we accept the shelter of a bona-fide self-realized spiritual master through the process of diksha. Thus Prabhupada also quotes in the above purport from the different scriptures like Visnu Yamala, Hari Bhakti Vilasa, Bhakti Sandarbha, the ultimate importance of diksha for advancement in spiritual life. The ceremony of diksha, or initiation, is that by which the Spiritual Preceptor admits one to the status of a neophyte on the path of spiritual endeavor. The ceremony tends to confer spiritual enlightenment by abrogating sinfulness. Its actual effect depends on the degree of willing cooperation on the part of the disciple. It is, therefore, not the same in all cases. It does not preclude the possibility of the novice reverting to the non-spiritual state--if he slackens in his effort or misbehaves. Initiation puts a person on the true track and also imparts an initial impulse to go ahead. It cannot, however, keep one going for Good unless one chooses to put forth his own voluntary effort. The nature of the initial impulse also varies in accordance with the condition of the recipient. Although the mercy of the Good Preceptor enables us to have a glimpse of the Absolute and of the path to His attainment, the seed thus sown requires very careful tending under the direction of the Preceptor. Only then will it germinate and grow into the fruit-and-shade-giving tree. After obtaining a working idea of his real nature, unless our soul, of his own accord, chooses to serve Krishna, he cannot long retain the Spiritual Vision. The soul is never compelled by Krishna to serve Him. Still, initiation is never altogether futile. It changes the disciple's outlook on life. If he sins after initiation, he may fall into greater depths of degradation than the uninitiated. Although, even after initiation, temporary setbacks may occur, they do not ordinarily prevent the final deliverance. The faintest glimmering of the real knowledge of the Absolute has sufficient power to radically change for Good our whole mental and physical constitution. This glimmering is incapable of being totally extinguished--except in extraordinarily unfortunate cases. Hoping against hope for the causeless mercy of the servants of the Vaisnavas, Nayana-ranjana das brahmacari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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