querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

May 22, 2006

To All,

The document

"Kala Sarpa Yoga - Kala Amruta Yoga"

is uploaded in the file section of the database.

As Always,

Uttara

jyotish-vidya, David Andrews <andrews635>

wrote:

>

> Dear Wendy ji,

> Here's the article and you may have it loaded into the files

section as I do not have the know how to have it done.

>

> David

>

> Shri. David:

>

> I thought I will include an article written by me and published in

> EXpress Star Teller 3 years back on Kala Sarpa yoga or

rather "Kala

> amruta yoga", i.e. how KSY becomes benefic in some horoscopes.

>

> "KAALA AMRUTA YOGA - The nectar bestowed by the Nodes!

> By Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> INTRODUCTION: Kaala Amruta Yoga is a variation of the dreaded

Kaala

> Sarpa Yoga. Whereas Kaala Sarpa Yoga gives rise to hardships,

> struggles and failures in life of the native, Kaala Amruta Yoga

> enhances the good luck of the native conferring upon him

intelligence,

> wealth and fame. It is a real challenge for an astrologer to

determine

> whether it is kaala sarpa yoga or kala Amruta yoga that is

actually

> operating in a nativity. Unless we properly understand the

principle

> behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga, Kaala Amruta Yoga can never be properly

> understood. So we shall first analyse the rationale behind Kaala

Sarpa

> Yoga before discussing Kaala Amruta Yoga.

>

> Though there is no mention of either Kaala Sarpa Yoga or

Kaala

> Amruta Yoga in the classical works on astrology like Brihat

Jatakam,

> Satyachayeeyam, Jatakaabharanam, Jaataka Alangaram, Phaladeepika,

etc

> ., there are allegorical references to these in Nadi Astrological

> works. The basic principle behind Kaala Sarpa Yoga is the well-

known

> astrological canon that a house or planet prospers if the house of

> planet is hemmed in between benefics, and suffer if the planet or

> house is hemmed in between malefics. Naturally, when all the

planets

> are hemmed in between malefics like Rahu and Ketu, the nativity is

> spoiled as a whole! This is the logic behind the dreaded Kaala

Sarpa

> Yoga.

>

> Some astrologers are of the opinion that kala Sarpa yoga arises

only

> if all the planets are hemmed in between Raahu and Ketu (Check

from

> Rahu to Ketu in a clockwise fashion in South-Indian style charts)

and

> if all planets are hemmed in between Ketu and Raahu (check from

Ketu

> to Rahu in clockwise fashion) Kaala Amruta Yoga arises which is

highly

> beneficial. However, this view is not accepted by the notable

> astrologer Dr.B.V.Raman (of revered memory - a renown astrologer

and

> the founder-editor of THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE) who opines that

Kaala

> Sarpa Yoga arises irrespective of whether the planets are hemmed

> between Raahu and Ketu, or between Ketu and Raahu. Again,

Dr.B.V.Raman

> is of the opinion that if the ascendant is on the other axis while

all

> the planets are hemmed on one side of the axis, then the evil

arising

> out of Kala Sarpa Yoga almost gets neutralised!

>

> This writer also s to Dr.B.V.Raman's view for the

following

> reason: Rahu-Ketu axis indicates events in mundane life and Ketu -

> Rahu axis indicates spiritual matters. If all the 7 planets are

> concentrated on one side of the axis (i.e. between Rahu and Ketu,

or

> Ketu and Rahu) the result will invariably be a lop-sided

development

> of the individual which is not conductive for a healthy and normal

> worldly life. If all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu

(the

> most commonly accepted version of Kaala Sarpa Yoga), the

individual

> faces much hardship in his mundane life and when he attains

success in

> life, he is so embittered that he becomes too materialistic or

> revolutionary in his attitudes. On the other hand, if all the

planets

> are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu (which also gives rise to kala

sarpa

> yoga though of a lesser intensity), the individual's life

struggles

> urge him towards renunciation, impractical ideals and spirituality

to

> the exclusion of the normal routines of mundane life. In either

case,

> it will be a case of rags to riches and back to rags again partly

due

> to a strange twist of circumstances and partly due to the native's

> stubborn and rash attitudes. Persons afflicted by Kala Sarpa Yoga

> usually suffer a lot in their early years, invariably gain

prominence

> during the middle years by dint of hard efforts and usually suffer

> from ill-health or even a sudden violent death in their later

years.

>

> The horoscope of Benito Mussolini is a classic example of Kala

Sarpa

> Dosha arising out of Ketu-Rahu axis (all planets hemmed between

Ketu

> and Rahu).

> Benito Mussolini (Born near Doria, Italy)

> Jul 29,1883

> Time: 2:00PM Zone: 1:00 DST: 0

>

> Longitude: 16E00 Latitude: 41N00

> Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:14 365.25 Day Year

>

> As 00:59 Sc Vishakha Ju Su 13:48 Cn Pushya Sa Mo 16:51 Ta

> Rohini Mo Ma 20:55 Ta Rohini Mo Me 13:18 Cn Pushya Sa

> Ju 26:18 Ge Punarvasu Ju

> Ve 29:20 Ge Punarvasu Ju

> Sa 15:22 Ta Rohini Mo

> Ra 14:56 Li Swati Ra

> Ke 14:56 Ar Bharani Ve

>

> Rashi Chart

*********************************************************

> * *KE 14:56 *SA 15:22 *JU 26:18 *

> * * *MO 16:51 *VE 29:20 *

> * * *MA 20:55 * *

> * * * * *

> *********************************************************

> * * *ME 13:18 *

> * * *SU 13:48 *

> * * * *

> *************** ***************

> * * * *

> *********************************************************

> * *AS 00:59 *RA 14:56 * *

> * * * * *

> *********************************************************

>

> Navamsa Chart

> *********************************************************

> * * * JU * MO *

> * * * SA * VE *

> * * * * *

> *********************************************************

> * RA * * AS *

> * * * MA *

> * * * *

> *************** ***************

> * * * KE *

> * * * *

> *********************************************************

> * * SU * ME * *

> * * * * *

> *********************************************************

>

> The Kala Sarpa Yoga is not really strong because only Ketu-

Rahu

> axis is involved and lagna is not behind Rahu. But, the other

> afflictions - such as

> 1) The aspect of malefic Saturn on the political planet - Sun

and ,

>

> 2) the conjunction of the lord of ascendant with Saturn in

the 7th

> house gave a deep fall.

>

> The end of Saturn Dasa gave a violent death and ignoble burial to

the

> native. The Ketu - Rahu axis involves the 6th and 12th houses,

which

> gives the astrological clue as to why he was betrayed by his own

> trusted colleagues.

> This is a classic case of rags to riches and again back to rags,

and a

> sudden end to life caused due to kala sarpa yoga. So, we cannot

> presume that if all planets are hemmed between Ketu and Rahu, then

the

> native will enjoy highly auspicious results irrespective of other

> afflictions. (This hyperbolic and fallacious assumption has

somehow

> gained currency among the lay-admirers of astrology!)

>

> There are certain conditions under which the Kaala Sarpa Yoga

> mentioned above gets transformed into a benefic yoga (kaala Amruta

> Yoga- also termed as Sweta Sarpa Yoga as opposed to kala sarpa

yoga!).

>

> 1) When Rahu and Ketu are benefics to the ascendant of a

native, or

> are under the control of benefics to the ascendant, there is

> transformation of kala Sarpa Yoga into Kala Amruta Yoga. We know

that

> Rahu is the duplicate of Saturn, and Ketu is the duplicate of Mars

in

> bestowing results. So whatever influences prevail on Saturn and

Mars,

> must be construed as prevailing on Rahu and Ketu respectively.

Thus,

> if Saturn and Mars are yogakarakas for the ascendant, or are under

the

> control of benefics for the ascendant, Kala Sarpa Yoga gets

> transformed into Kaala Amruta Yoga.

>

> 2) Again if Rahu is in Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo or

Capricorn

> then Rahu bestows auspicious results, provided these signs do not

fall

> in the 6th, 8th or 12th houses. Under these conditions, Kaala

Sarpa

> Yoga gets transformed to Kaala Amruta Yoga.

>

> The horoscope of the famous scientist and Nobel laureate Sir.C.V.

> Raman is a classic example of a horoscope with Kaala Amruta Yoga.

>

> Sir.C.V.RAMAN

> Nov 7,1888

> Time: Between 4-40a.m and 6-45a.m.(Tula lagna) Zone: 5:30 DST: 0

> Chart calculated for the time 4-40a.m.

> Longitude: 78E42 Latitude: 10N50

> Lahiri Ayanamsa: 22:18 365.25 Day Year

>

> As 00:29 Li Chitra Ma

> Su 22:42 Li Vishakha Ju

> Mo 04:33 Sg Mula Ke

> Ma 18:31 Sg P.Shadya Ve

> MeR 10:29 Li Swati Ra

> Ju 17:56 Sc Jyeshtha Me

> Ve 23:20 Sc Jyeshtha Me

> Sa 27:32 Cn Aslesha Me

> Ra 01:24 Cn Punarvasu Ju

> Ke 01:24 Cp U.Shadya Su

>

> Rashi Chart

>

*********************************************************

>

*

> * * * *

> * * * * *

> *********************************************************

> * * *RA 01:24 *

> * * *SA 27:32 *

> * * * *

> *************** ***************

> *KE 01:24 * * *

> * * * *

> *********************************************************

> *MO 04:33 *JU 17:56 *AS 00:29 * *

> *MA 18:31 *VE 23:20 *MER10:29 * *

> * * *SU 22:42 * *

> * * * * *

> *********************************************************

> Navamsa chart:

> *********************************************************

> * SA * SU * MO * *

> * * * * *

> *********************************************************

> * VE * * RA *

> * * * *

> *************** ***************

> * MER * * *

> * KE * * *

> * * * *

> *********************************************************

> * JU * * AS * MA *

> * * * * *

> *********************************************************

>

> Note that all the planets are hemmed between Rahu and Ketu. So,

many

> astrologers will decide that Kaala Sarpa Yoga afflicts this

horoscope

> . However, the ascendant in this nativity is Tula (Libra) for

which

> Saturn is the Yogakaraka. Rahu conjuncts Saturn and hence comes

under

> the influence of a benefic for this horoscope. Mars conjuncts Moon

> which is a benefic to this Lagna. As Moon is stronger than Mars

(by

> nisarga strength and also due to its navamsa position in exalted

sign)

> and hence Ketu - the agent of Mars is also under control of the

> benefic Moon. So, in this case the encirclement of all planets by

Rahu

> and Ketu has greatly added to the auspiciousness of the horoscope.

> Though on a cursory glance one may conclude that the nodes have

> swallowed all the planets, this is actually Kaala Amruta Yoga and

not

> Kaala Sarpa Dosha, because of the benefic nature of Rahu and Ketu

to

> this nativity. Combined with the other strong points in the

horoscope

> like Mercury attaining Dig Bala (Directional strength due to its

> placement in the Lagna Kendra), Parivarthana Yoga (planetary

exchange

> between Mars and Jupiter) and the lord of 4th house (indicating

> educational pursuits) - Saturn being aspected by Jupiter, the

native

> enjoyed an unusually keen intellect that helped him attain world

> renown. He was also a rebel in his thinking though this aspect of

his

> personality is not so well known.

>

> "Great advances in knowledge came through questioning the orthodox

> view"

> -SIR CV RAMAN

>

> This rebellious intellect was due to the influence of the nodes

which

> encourage divergent thinking which is very essential for

scientists,

> occultists and those engaged in research.

>

> CONCLUSION: From the above discussion, it is clear that neither

Kaala

> Sarpa Yoga nor kaala Amruta Yoga can make or mar the destiny of an

> individual on their own merit. So, undue importance need not be

given

> to these. For best or for worst, they contribute to the progress

or

> detriment of a native in combination with other benefic/malefic

> aspects of a horoscope. Their presence in the horoscope guarantees

> single-minded determination to an astounding degree. So, if these

> individuals turn to mysticism, meditation or constructive

research,

> they have the potential to scale great heights. Again, these

persons

> must consciously strive for all-round development of their

personality

> avoiding dogmatic views and over-fixation upon a single agenda in

life

> if they are to be accepted by others.

>

> Another interesting fact that comes to light on perusal of nadi

> readings of horoscopes with either kaala sarpa yoga or kaala

amruta

> yoga is that many of these individuals are born with a heavy

karmic

> burden or karmic merit accumulated over the past three births!

This

> probably explains why events seem to unfold beyond the conscious

> control of these individuals for better or for worse."

>

> Hope that this article may be throw useful pointers regarding the

> yoga.

>

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>

May 22, 2006

Dear Uttara,

I am sorry I did not see your message before I wrote to Wendy ji with regard to the article. I am sure you would have done the needful so far as the charts are concerned.

You deserve a big thank you from all of us.

David

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May 22, 2006

I do not think the native is having Kaal Sarpa dosha, as lagna is out. In KS dosa all the planets including lagna are between rahu & ketu. Their is nothing like partial KS dosa. The native has saturn & rahu in 9th house which is not good, has 3 planets in bhadhak sthan, mars in 6th & mer.. & jup. in 8th house.

The native needs to seriously do some prayers to overcome the obstacles.

Harry

mrityunjay pathak <mrityu_kec > wrote:

Name:" mrityunjay pathajk

I myself is kaal sarpi

date of birth 14-july-1979

time 17:10

place DEORIA(INDIA)

please have a look

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Dear Mrtyunjay,

There's a lot of confusion because this (yoga?) is not mentioned in any classical literature. The nodes, rightly so, have not been given the same status as the physical planets. The sages tell us simply that the influence of these non-physical/shadowy planets is confined to the house they occupy and the planet(s) they conjoin.

If you (or anyone else) have some example charts with this yoga we could take a look at them. It's much easier to explain a point with an example, don't you think?

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

mrityunjay pathak

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:31 PM

querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Hi all

if any one tell me about the kaal sarpa yoga (full and partial)

and also the consequences because there is allot of confusion regarding this

regards

mrityunjay

Mrityunjay kumar pathak

just a look on this!!!!!!!!!!!!

www.reata.org/interview2.html

http://www.pathways-to-peace.com/

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/YouthGroup1/momtribute.html

May 22, 2006

Dear David,

Not to worry. It's my pleasure. I did have trouble getting the charts to upload correctly. Hopefully they have transferred well for everyone.

I am glad the article is here. It is clearly written with the pros and cons. i was going to respond today with Ernst Wilhelm's take along with Raman's but my Sunday unfortunately got really turned around. So, what little I can do this evening with the article is the least i can do.

Thanks for providing it for the file section.

I agree with Wendy on this yoga. From what I have read and researched along with Ernst Wilhelms view. There is more in a chart to suggest ease or difficulties other than the Nodes position ín relation to the other planets to be concerned about. The concentration on this Kala Sarpa yoga seems to be a stretch for some astrologers to make a big deal out of. i find it irresponsible for astrologers to scare the wits unnecessarily out of their clients. I will even say that it can be very exploited for greed too.

As Always,

Uttara

David Andrews <andrews635 > wrote:

Dear Uttara,

I am sorry I did not see your message before I wrote to Wendy ji with regard to the article. I am sure you would have done the needful so far as the charts are concerned.

You deserve a big thank you from all of us.

David

Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.

May 22, 2006

Dear Patrice

Going by the data provided by u for Margaret Thatcher, the chart shows kaala sarpa dosa as all the planets are between rahu & ketu, but only grace is a very strong & powerful jupiter as it is in its own kendra. This is how her chart looks like

Rasi

+--------------+

| \ Gk / \ Ma / |

| \ Sk / \ Sy / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Bu \ / |

|Md \ / \ / |

|Gu HL x Lg x Ch |

|AL / \ / \ |

| / \ Sa / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ 7 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| Ke x Ra |

| \ / \ / |

| x GL x |

| / \ / \ |

+--------------+

Harry

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Dear Patrice,

Still here :-)

The data I have for Margaret Thatcher is:

13 Oct. 1925 (09:00)

Grantham, England.

I haven't yet had an in-depth look at the chart so can't vouch for the T.O.B. This isn't the site where I originally found her data, but it gives the same data: http://www.khaldea.com/charts/margaretthatcher.shtml

I'm sure you'll find more if you just type in (Google) 'Margaret Thatcher horoscope'.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Patrice Curry

jyotish-vidya

Friday, May 19, 2006 10:50 PM

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Hi Dear Wendy and List,

If you're still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher? I've

done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I've

found shows:

October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

Best wishes,

Patrice

_____

May 22, 2006

Dear Haresh and All,

Providing the T.O.B. is correct, Mrs. Thatcher had just commenced Jupiter dasa at the time she lost her position as leader of the Conservative Party - effectively ending her political career. At the commencement of dasa, Jupiter, occupying 3rd, was transiting 10th (8th from 3rd) in nakshatra of 5th lord Saturn - 5th as 8th from 10th signifies 'fall from position'. Saturn himself was transiting dasa lord Jupiter's natal position.

She rose to power during the preceding Rahu dasa. Here is what Braha says about Rahu in 10th:

"The 10th house is one of the finest placements for Rahu, as the person will have a powerful and renowned career. He will be adept at influencing the masses or selling to the public. The person lives with insatiable career ambitions and his works greatly benefit society."

We all know that Rahu in 10th can bestow great worldly benefits. We also know that what Rahu gives is usually lost at the end of his period...this was so for Mrs. Thatcher.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Haresh (Harry) Nathani

jyotish-vidya

Monday, May 22, 2006 2:44 PM

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Patrice

Going by the data provided by u for Margaret Thatcher, the chart shows kaala sarpa dosa as all the planets are between rahu & ketu, but only grace is a very strong & powerful jupiter as it is in its own kendra. This is how her chart looks like

Harry

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Dear Patrice,

Still here :-)

The data I have for Margaret Thatcher is:

13 Oct. 1925 (09:00)

Grantham, England.

I haven't yet had an in-depth look at the chart so can't vouch for the T.O.B. This isn't the site where I originally found her data, but it gives the same data: http://www.khaldea.com/charts/margaretthatcher.shtml

I'm sure you'll find more if you just type in (Google) 'Margaret Thatcher horoscope'.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Patrice Curry

jyotish-vidya

Friday, May 19, 2006 10:50 PM

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Hi Dear Wendy and List,

If you're still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher? I've

done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I've

found shows:

October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

Best wishes,

Patrice

May 22, 2006

Dear Patrice and All,

This is what I have found too. So thanks for the direction to look at Raman's work.

When I found references in Ernst Wilhelm's "Core Yogas" and then read more from his "Vault of Heavens" book on Rahu and Ketu; here too, Kala Sarpa Yoga is defined in a more contemporary light but keeps his definition within boundaries of reason.

Ernst Wilhelm:

"Many astrologers consider this yoga to destroy all good effects and to give a life of misery and sorrow, but this is not necessarily so. The actual effect of this yoga is that the native is much more restricted by the results of their previous karmas; the native caught by the "serpent of time." Kalasarpa Yoga, however, has nothing to say about what the native will achieve or possess in life. Other yogas will indicate that. Kalasarpa Yoga indicates that life is more fated and less directed by the native's personal volition....Essentially, Kalasarpa yoga amplifies the intensity of all other yogas in the horoscope."

"Rahu in its retrograde motion is moving towards all the other planets. this indicates that Rahu is transforming all things in the native's life. the gaol of life is to bring things to a karmic balance through the initiation of those things the native is not yet comfortable with, in control of, secure with.....This form of Kalasarpa Yoga is generally experienced more stressfully; there is more confusion, and less comfort and familiarity in life......Ketu in its retrograde motion is moving towards all the other planets. Here, Ketu is transforming all things in the native's life. The goal of life is the completion and resolution of all things in the native's life." This version is generally less stressful than the other, and gives a feeling of familiarity with the things the native has in his or her life, however, it gives discontentment with what the native does have as well as longings for the things that the native cannot put their finger on."

"The effects of Kalasarpa Yoga are not as significant when the lagna is not caught between the nodes along with the other planets" However, Wilhelm goes on to explain that the 7th hse cusp from the nodes does fall into the western horizon and "should be considered effective even if the lagna is not between the nodes, in which case the 7th cusp will be."

Also he goes on to say that "If Kalasarpa Yoga is present, the houses and rasis occupied by Rahu and Ketu become very significant. These houses and rasis indicate the nature of the transformational theme of the Kaasarpa Yoga."

"In the event that Kalasarpa Yoga is almost present, but is not due to only one planet being on the other side of Rahu/Ketu axis, then that planet becomes a very significant planet in the native's life. this is the planet of "free will" with which the native makes their success. p.p. 125-127

"Prash Trivedi in his book The Key of Life - Astrology Of The "Lunar Nodes" Only talks about Kala Sarpa Yoga as one when all planets are hemmed in between the Nodes. Whether it is in an eastern direction (Solar) or a western direction (Lunar)affects the person's karma as to being more Solar or Lunar. He states that a lot of people have this combination and it does not impeded their success or upward climb in life.. Rather, it is a matter of balancing the opposite of a stronger Solar or Lunar with the other. There is no mention of almost Kala Sarpa Yoga and he does not include the outer planets for western users.

Prash Trivedi:

"The Yoga would be now of two types. The first type is where all the planets are hemmed within the Eastern half. Such a native will show predominantly Solar qualities like assertiveness, self assurance, self reliance etc. but would to quite an extent lack Lunar qualities like gentleness, compassion, fostering etc. Such natives are usually harsh and insensitive like a hot midday Sun......The second type of this combination would occur when all the planets are hemmed within the Western half. Such a native will show predominantly well developed Lunar nature but would have a poorly developed Solar nature. Such natives are usually too soft, timid, inconstant, moody and changeable in their approach unless the Sun is naturally strong in their charts."

"A native can rise high in life with this combination if the nodes are strong and the other indications in the chart allow for it." However, there are some ancient seers that see this yoga as a negative combination, almost a certain kind of fatedness that effects one's free will. However, others like Prash feel "the only way for climbing the evolutionary ladder for such souls is to make a conscious effort to develop the missing side of their personality and fulfill their duty in the present life." p.p. 189 - 192

BV Raman says in his book "Three Hundred Combinations" as Patrice noted, that his conclusion on KSY is as follows. IT occurs to me that undue importance need not be given to KSY. the view held by some astrologers that KSY affects longevity and adversely affects the operation of other yogas favoring rise in life achievement and accomplishment is not tenable. the overall assessment of the horoscope is important. No single yoga, including KSY, is capable of marring or making a horoscope. In our view Kalasarpa Yoga plays an important role in mundane astrology and is not of much importance in individual charts." p.p. 329

I would think then, that the placement of the Nodes in and of themselves, their rasi and house rulers and the nakshatra rulers along with any conjunction to other planets and their aspect to the opposite seventh house/ruler from themself, would take greater importance on the influence of ones Karma to be worked out in this life time along with how the rest of the chart is set up in its strength and weaknessness.

As Always,

Uttara

Patrice Curry <patricecurry (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Krishna and Mrityunjay,

I have located the book -

Raman does speak of the opposite direction with Ketu at the front of this,

but doesn't give this a different name. He also states as important factors

to note: that in this Yoga, it is intensified if the Lagna is included

between Rahu and Ketu, and that the yoga can be considered as defunct even

if a single planet is with Rahu or Ketu, or outside the axis. He uses an

example in this book where it is a situation of all planets included, and

Ketu in front, and states this is not really strong due to this Ketu-Rahu

axis and Lagna is not included.

Raman is offering this information, as you said Krishna, in the Appendix

versus in the main text. He also says these are ".his observations in light

of my own humble experience."

Raman offers that KSY has its bright shades. And that Rahu-Ketu axis favous

rise in mundane life while Ketu-Rahu axis indicates elevation in spiritual

matters.

His final words on this are: "The overall assessment of the horoscope is

important. No single yoga, including KSY, is capable of marring or making a

horoscope. In our view Kalasarpa Yoga plays an important role in mundane

astrology and is not of much importance in individual charts."

Kindest wishes,

Patrice

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jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Patrice Curry

Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:57 PM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Krishna,

Thank you for this post and direction to this book. I have just found a

place on the internet that also lists this book as giving information

regarding the opposite, Ketu, Rahu direction. I will look for my book here

soon. (Following our move, and still without shelves, I don't have full and

easy access to all my books.)

Best wishes,

Patrice

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jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy Seetharama

Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

For more details om KSY please refer to Appendix I of

"Three hundred important combinations" by Shri. B V

Raman. I have not found more info. anywhere else.

Regards,

Krishna

_____

May 23, 2006

Dear Harry and Wendy,

Thanks for sending this chart Harry and for the birth time Wendy. I had

found one place giving the time of 9:00 but it gave a different date. So

thank you to both of you.

Kindest regards,

Patrice

_____

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Haresh (Harry) Nathani

Monday, May 22, 2006 2:45 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Patrice

Going by the data provided by u for Margaret Thatcher, the chart shows

kaala sarpa dosa as all the planets are between rahu & ketu, but only grace

is a very strong & powerful jupiter as it is in its own kendra. This is how

her chart looks like

Rasi

+--------------+

| \ Gk / \ Ma / |

| \ Sk / \ Sy / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Bu \ / |

|Md \ / \ / |

|Gu HL x Lg x Ch |

|AL / \ / \ |

| / \ Sa / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ 7 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| Ke x Ra |

| \ / \ / |

| x GL x |

| / \ / \ |

+--------------+

Harry

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Dear Patrice,

Still here :-)

The data I have for Margaret Thatcher is:

13 Oct. 1925 (09:00)

Grantham, England.

I haven't yet had an in-depth look at the chart so can't vouch for the

T.O.B. This isn't the site where I originally found her data, but it gives

the same data: http://www.khaldea.com/charts/margaretthatcher.shtml

I'm sure you'll find more if you just type in (Google) 'Margaret Thatcher

horoscope'.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Patrice Curry

jyotish-vidya

Friday, May 19, 2006 10:50 PM

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Hi Dear Wendy and List,

If you're still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher? I've

done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I've

found shows:

October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

Best wishes,

Patrice

_____

May 23, 2006

Dear David and Uttara,

Thanks for sending this article David - and Uttara for uploading it to our

files.

Best wishes,

Patrice

_____

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of David Andrews

Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:04 AM

jyotish-vidya

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Patrice,

I have an article by Pandit R. Dakshinamoorthi about Kala Sarpa Yoga and

its variant, the Kala Amrita (or Amruta) Yoga with example charts which runs

to about 6 to 7 pages.

If Wendy ji has no objection I could have that forwarded to the list so

that everyone can have the benefit of studying same.

David

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May 23, 2006

Dear Wendy

Yes I do agree with u but one thing noticiable in this chart is that even though the chart shows Kaala Saarpa Dosa, all the 9 planets are evenly distributed in the other top five houses, which is very rare in KSD. Rahu being a loner gave her the power to rule. That was the biggest benefit she had. Even Moon suppoerted her as being a loner & in Leo rasi gave her the recognition. But what other thing is also to be noticed is that rahoo was in cancers house and rahoo was in enemies house, rahoo in enemies house is known to disturb and bring obstacles in one's life, but she still could rule for over to sessions of parliament.

Harry

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Dear Haresh and All,

Providing the T.O.B. is correct, Mrs. Thatcher had just commenced Jupiter dasa at the time she lost her position as leader of the Conservative Party - effectively ending her political career. At the commencement of dasa, Jupiter, occupying 3rd, was transiting 10th (8th from 3rd) in nakshatra of 5th lord Saturn - 5th as 8th from 10th signifies 'fall from position'. Saturn himself was transiting dasa lord Jupiter's natal position.

She rose to power during the preceding Rahu dasa. Here is what Braha says about Rahu in 10th:

"The 10th house is one of the finest placements for Rahu, as the person will have a powerful and renowned career. He will be adept at influencing the masses or selling to the public. The person lives with insatiable career ambitions and his works greatly benefit society."

We all know that Rahu in 10th can bestow great worldly benefits. We also know that what Rahu gives is usually lost at the end of his period...this was so for Mrs. Thatcher.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Haresh (Harry) Nathani

jyotish-vidya

Monday, May 22, 2006 2:44 PM

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Patrice

Going by the data provided by u for Margaret Thatcher, the chart shows kaala sarpa dosa as all the planets are between rahu & ketu, but only grace is a very strong & powerful jupiter as it is in its own kendra. This is how her chart looks like

Harry

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Dear Patrice,

Still here :-)

The data I have for Margaret Thatcher is:

13 Oct. 1925 (09:00)

Grantham, England.

I haven't yet had an in-depth look at the chart so can't vouch for the T.O.B. This isn't the site where I originally found her data, but it gives the same data: http://www.khaldea.com/charts/margaretthatcher.shtml

I'm sure you'll find more if you just type in (Google) 'Margaret Thatcher horoscope'.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Patrice Curry

jyotish-vidya

Friday, May 19, 2006 10:50 PM

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Hi Dear Wendy and List,

If you're still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher? I've

done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I've

found shows:

October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

Best wishes,

Patrice

May 23, 2006

Dear Harry,

//But what other thing is also to be noticed is that rahoo was in cancers house and rahoo was in enemies house, rahoo in enemies house is known to disturb and bring obstacles in one's life//

Because Moon, occupying 2nd from Rahu is a temporary friend, his relationship with Moon (in this instance) is neutral. Please see BPHS Ch.3:

57-58. COMPOUND RELATIONSHIP:

Should two planets be naturally and temporarily friendly, they become extremely friendly. Friendship on one count and neutrality on another count make them friendly. Enmity on one count combined with affinity on the other turns into equality. Enmity and neutralship cause only enmity. Should there be enmity in both manners, extreme enmity is obtained. The astrologer should consider these and declare horoscopic effect accordingly.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Haresh (Harry) Nathani

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:44 PM

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Wendy

Yes I do agree with u but one thing noticiable in this chart is that even though the chart shows Kaala Saarpa Dosa, all the 9 planets are evenly distributed in the other top five houses, which is very rare in KSD. Rahu being a loner gave her the power to rule. That was the biggest benefit she had. Even Moon suppoerted her as being a loner & in Leo rasi gave her the recognition. But what other thing is also to be noticed is that rahoo was in cancers house and rahoo was in enemies house, rahoo in enemies house is known to disturb and bring obstacles in one's life, but she still could rule for over to sessions of parliament.

Harry

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Dear Haresh and All,

Providing the T.O.B. is correct, Mrs. Thatcher had just commenced Jupiter dasa at the time she lost her position as leader of the Conservative Party - effectively ending her political career. At the commencement of dasa, Jupiter, occupying 3rd, was transiting 10th (8th from 3rd) in nakshatra of 5th lord Saturn - 5th as 8th from 10th signifies 'fall from position'. Saturn himself was transiting dasa lord Jupiter's natal position.

She rose to power during the preceding Rahu dasa. Here is what Braha says about Rahu in 10th:

"The 10th house is one of the finest placements for Rahu, as the person will have a powerful and renowned career. He will be adept at influencing the masses or selling to the public. The person lives with insatiable career ambitions and his works greatly benefit society."

We all know that Rahu in 10th can bestow great worldly benefits. We also know that what Rahu gives is usually lost at the end of his period...this was so for Mrs. Thatcher.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Haresh (Harry) Nathani

jyotish-vidya

Monday, May 22, 2006 2:44 PM

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Patrice

Going by the data provided by u for Margaret Thatcher, the chart shows kaala sarpa dosa as all the planets are between rahu & ketu, but only grace is a very strong & powerful jupiter as it is in its own kendra. This is how her chart looks like

Harry

May 23, 2006

Dear Patrice,

//Thanks for sending this chart Harry and for the birth time Wendy. I had

found one place giving the time of 9:00 but it gave a different date. So

thank you to both of you.//

The official British Government site (10 Downing Street) gives Margaret Thatcher's birth details as: 13 Oct. 1925... See here: http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page126.asp

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Friday, May 19, 2006 11:32 PM

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Patrice,

Still here :-)

The data I have for Margaret Thatcher is:

13 Oct. 1925 (09:00)

Grantham, England.

I haven't yet had an in-depth look at the chart so can't vouch for the T.O.B. This isn't the site where I originally found her data, but it gives the same data: http://www.khaldea.com/charts/margaretthatcher.shtml

I'm sure you'll find more if you just type in (Google) 'Margaret Thatcher horoscope'.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Patrice Curry

jyotish-vidya

Friday, May 19, 2006 10:50 PM

RE: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Hi Dear Wendy and List,

If you're still on here, do you have a time for Margaret Thatcher? I've

done a search of the Internet, but have not come up with a time. Data I've

found shows:

October 13, 1925, Grantham, England.

Best wishes,

Patrice

_____

May 23, 2006

Dear Harry,

//Yes I do agree with u but one thing noticiable in this chart is

that even though the chart shows Kaala Saarpa Dosa, all the 9 planets

are evenly distributed in the other top five houses, which is very

rare in KSD.//

GrahaMalika Yoga (planetary garland) is formed when all nine planets

(including the Nodes) occupy seven consecutive houses. Some say the

garland should start from lagna, others say from Sun. My thoughts (at

this time) is that if the garland commences from 10th house (a

kendra), the great fortune it's said to bestow will reveal itself

through one's career, bringing recognition, worldly power etc..

Many people have Rahu in 10th house and, although this is a good

placement for Rahu, few achieve anywhere near the level of success

Margaret Thatcher did. She was the longest serving Prime Minister for

more than 150 years and was the first woman ever to take the role. As

leader of the government of Great Britain, Margaret Thatcher was

undoubtedly the most powerful woman in the world for 11 years.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

"Haresh (Harry) Nathani" <haresh1405 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:44 PM

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Wendy

Yes I do agree with u but one thing noticiable in this chart is

that even though the chart shows Kaala Saarpa Dosa, all the 9 planets

are evenly distributed in the other top five houses, which is very

rare in KSD. Rahu being a loner gave her the power to rule. That was

the biggest benefit she had. Even Moon suppoerted her as being a

loner & in Leo rasi gave her the recognition. But what other thing is

also to be noticed is that rahoo was in cancers house and rahoo was

in enemies house, rahoo in enemies house is known to disturb and

bring obstacles in one's life, but she still could rule for over to

sessions of parliament.

Harry

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

Dear Haresh and All,

Providing the T.O.B. is correct, Mrs. Thatcher had just commenced

Jupiter dasa at the time she lost her position as leader of the

Conservative Party - effectively ending her political career. At the

commencement of dasa, Jupiter, occupying 3rd, was transiting 10th

(8th from 3rd) in nakshatra of 5th lord Saturn - 5th as 8th from 10th

signifies 'fall from position'. Saturn himself was transiting dasa

lord Jupiter's natal position.

She rose to power during the preceding Rahu dasa. Here is what Braha

says about Rahu in 10th:

"The 10th house is one of the finest placements for Rahu, as the

person will have a powerful and renowned career. He will be adept at

influencing the masses or selling to the public. The person lives

with insatiable career ambitions and his works greatly benefit

society."

We all know that Rahu in 10th can bestow great worldly benefits. We

also know that what Rahu gives is usually lost at the end of his

period...this was so for Mrs. Thatcher.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

Haresh (Harry) Nathani

jyotish-vidya

Monday, May 22, 2006 2:44 PM

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Dear Patrice

Going by the data provided by u for Margaret Thatcher, the chart

shows kaala sarpa dosa as all the planets are between rahu & ketu,

but only grace is a very strong & powerful jupiter as it is in its

own kendra. This is how her chart looks like

Harry

!

May 23, 2006

Good Observation Wendy. My two cents:

Rahu, in addition being in the 10th house would give

more positive results as Sani is exalted (going by

"Sanivad Rahu").

Regards,

Krishna

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

> Dear Harry,

>

> //Yes I do agree with u but one thing noticiable in

> this chart is

> that even though the chart shows Kaala Saarpa Dosa,

> all the 9 planets

> are evenly distributed in the other top five houses,

> which is very

> rare in KSD.//

>

> GrahaMalika Yoga (planetary garland) is formed when

> all nine planets

> (including the Nodes) occupy seven consecutive

> houses. Some say the

> garland should start from lagna, others say from

> Sun. My thoughts (at

> this time) is that if the garland commences from

> 10th house (a

> kendra), the great fortune it's said to bestow will

> reveal itself

> through one's career, bringing recognition, worldly

> power etc..

>

> Many people have Rahu in 10th house and, although

> this is a good

> placement for Rahu, few achieve anywhere near the

> level of success

> Margaret Thatcher did. She was the longest serving

> Prime Minister for

> more than 150 years and was the first woman ever to

> take the role. As

> leader of the government of Great Britain, Margaret

> Thatcher was

> undoubtedly the most powerful woman in the world for

> 11 years.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "Haresh (Harry) Nathani"

> <haresh1405 >

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:44 PM

> Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA

> yog

>

> Dear Wendy

>

> Yes I do agree with u but one thing noticiable in

> this chart is

> that even though the chart shows Kaala Saarpa Dosa,

> all the 9 planets

> are evenly distributed in the other top five houses,

> which is very

> rare in KSD. Rahu being a loner gave her the power

> to rule. That was

> the biggest benefit she had. Even Moon suppoerted

> her as being a

> loner & in Leo rasi gave her the recognition. But

> what other thing is

> also to be noticed is that rahoo was in cancers

> house and rahoo was

> in enemies house, rahoo in enemies house is known to

> disturb and

> bring obstacles in one's life, but she still could

> rule for over to

> sessions of parliament.

>

> Harry

>

> Wendy Vasicek <jyotish (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au> wrote:

> Dear Haresh and All,

>

> Providing the T.O.B. is correct, Mrs. Thatcher had

> just commenced

> Jupiter dasa at the time she lost her position as

> leader of the

> Conservative Party - effectively ending her

> political career. At the

> commencement of dasa, Jupiter, occupying 3rd, was

> transiting 10th

> (8th from 3rd) in nakshatra of 5th lord Saturn - 5th

> as 8th from 10th

> signifies 'fall from position'. Saturn himself was

> transiting dasa

> lord Jupiter's natal position.

>

> She rose to power during the preceding Rahu dasa.

> Here is what Braha

> says about Rahu in 10th:

>

> "The 10th house is one of the finest placements for

> Rahu, as the

> person will have a powerful and renowned career. He

> will be adept at

> influencing the masses or selling to the public. The

> person lives

> with insatiable career ambitions and his works

> greatly benefit

> society."

>

> We all know that Rahu in 10th can bestow great

> worldly benefits. We

> also know that what Rahu gives is usually lost at

> the end of his

> period...this was so for Mrs. Thatcher.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> Haresh (Harry) Nathani

> jyotish-vidya

> Monday, May 22, 2006 2:44 PM

> Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA

> yog

>

> Dear Patrice

>

> Going by the data provided by u for Margaret

> Thatcher, the chart

> shows kaala sarpa dosa as all the planets are

> between rahu & ketu,

> but only grace is a very strong & powerful jupiter

> as it is in its

> own kendra. This is how her chart looks like

>

> Harry

>

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May 23, 2006

Dear Krishna,

Indeed! And not forgetting exalted Sani, Rahu's nakshatra lord,

aspects 10th from lagna.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

"Krishnamurthy Seetharama" <krishna_1998 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:44 PM

Re: querry about KAAL-SARPA yog

Good Observation Wendy. My two cents:

Rahu, in addition being in the 10th house would give

more positive results as Sani is exalted (going by

"Sanivad Rahu").

Regards,

Krishna

May 23, 2006

Dear Wendy

I had seen the same but preferred to present the facts in a simple way as there could be many on this group who may not be able to understand the technical terms which are their in astrology. But good I appreciate your technical qualities.