Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 > >What about if we won't get the opportunity to become properly human in > >this life? And again isn't it that in Kali Yuga we become properly human > >exclusively by Krsna conscious process i.e. by trying to be > >transcendental through the appropriate practice and association? > > Yes, it is. > > But once again, being properly human is supposed to be INCLUDED in the > all-inclusive process of devotional service, rather than exluded from it. Sometimes or rather quite often a devotee in the beginning stage of advancement may not posses some of the 26 (or more) characteristics of a vaisnava. > Becoming transcendental first of all means becoming transcendental to > ONE'S OWN selfish desires and motives, and not to people's sufferings and > feelings. Agree. > Appropriate practice and association not only includes, not only demands, > but DEPENDS on proper behavior to all, Proper practice and proper behavior to all are mutually interdependent in the stage of sadhana. > >BG 14.26: > > > >"One who engages in unalloyed devotional service to the Lord transcends > >the modes of material nature and is immediately elevated to the spiritual > >platform." > > > >Do you have any other means besides Bhakti to transcend your anarthas? > > No, we do not. > > BUT -- if anarthas are not being transcended, then we are doing something > wrong. The anarthas do not go in a minute. > And, as vernacular wit holds: "If everything else fails, read the manual". > > Here it [the manual] goes: The manual you present perfectly defends the position about respect to all, non-enviousness towards the bodies of living entities etc. Very powerful presentation and I think nobody in our discussion had ever supported the opposite notions i.e. that we have to be disrespectful, envious etc. > And therefore, as Lord Krsna says in SB 11.20.9: > > t€vat karm€Ši kurv…ta > na nirvidyeta y€vat€ > mat-kath€-ravaŠ€dau v€ > raddh€ y€van na j€yate > > As long as one is not satiated by fruitive activity and has not awakened > his taste for devotional service by ravaŠaˆ k…rtanaˆ viŠoƒ [sB 7.5.23] > one has to act according to the regulative principles of the Vedic > injunctions. This famous quote is also presented in BRS by Rupa Goswami in order to show that certain categories of people who aren't wishing to give up their material attachments have to continue practicing karmas (varnasrama). This is not in the context of Rupa Goswami a general prescription for a person who's already engaged in the practice of bhakti. One more quote on direct and indirect practices: BG 12.20 Those who follow this imperishable path of devotional service and who completely engage themselves with faith, making Me the supreme goal, are very, very dear to Me. PURPORT .... In the impersonal conception of the Absolute Truth one works without fruitive result, meditates and cultivates knowledge to understand spirit and matter. This is necessary as long as one is not in the association of a pure devotee. Fortunately, if one develops directly a desire to engage in Krsna consciousness in pure devotional service, he does not need to undergo step-by-step improvements in spiritual realization. Devotional service, as described in the middle six chapters of Bhagavad-gétä, is more congenial. One need not bother about materials to keep body and soul together, because by the grace of the Lord everything is carried out automatically. I espesially like to bring the attention to the phrase: "Fortunately, if one develops directly a desire to engage in Krsna consciousness in pure devotional service, he does not need to undergo step-by-step improvements in spiritual realization. " And Lord Krsna says: ksipram bhavati dharmatma - just by his unflinching devotion a fallen devotee will quickly become sadhu i.e. develops spontaneous quality of compassion and ability to correctly help everybody on this basis. > But even when we do rise to the transcendental level, we will still do it > spontaneously anyway -- out of pure and unalloyed compassion, as Srila > Prabhupada did it back in the "Matchless Gifts" storefront back in 1966, > cooking, distributing and cleaning up all by himself. Srila Prabhupada is the perfect example for all of us to follow. Your servant Visista dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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