Thought for the Day

[Guest guest]

Prabhupada: (Hindi conversation) I have gone through variety stages of life.

So I have got full experience of this material world. I don't want it. That

determination is there. Society, family, love, friendship, these nonsense,

everything-out! I have tasted. I am no more interested with this material.

That is niskincana. Finished.

Tamala Krsna: Distaste for all worldly things.

Prabhupada: That I am realizing, that Krsna pushed, dragged me through all

circumstances, that "These are useless." Niskincanasya

bhagavad-bhajanonmukha... That is required. Just like Jagai and Madhai. They

were made to promise, "No more.Yes sir, no more.Then I accept you.

That's all right.No." And they made it, kept their promise. They became

faithful.

Tamala Krsna: Actually you also demand of us that promise. "Now whatever you

have done, never mind, but no more. Follow these four principles." That

means if the devotees don't follow, then they will not make advancement.

Prabhupada: They are breaking their promise. Before accepting them, I make

him promise. They promise it. If they break, what can I do?

Tamala Krsna: Then the connection, the contract is finished.

Prabhupada: This should be the principle. "No more this." Then he becomes

fit. Ara nahe vakya.

Tamala Krsna: Therefore accepting initiation is a serious matter.

Prabhupada: Initiation means seriously take up the...

Tamala Krsna: Vow.

Prabhupada: And if you make it a fun business, then I become implicated, you

become implicated.

Tamala Krsna: In what way does the spiritual master become...?

Prabhupada: Well, this is then something.(?)

Tamala Krsna: He has to work very hard on behalf of the disciple...

Prabhupada: No. To accept his sinful reaction.

Tamala Krsna: He does that?

Prabhupada: It is not easy job to become a spiritual master. Yes. Then when

it is overloaded, you'll suffer.

Tamala Krsna: Krsna transfers the sinful reaction unto the spiritual master

from the disciple.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Why? Is it because there will be such a heavy...?

Prabhupada: Krsna says... That is the principle. This is, aham tvam

sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami. "You have to take all the sinful reactions."

This is the principle, that Krsna is God. He can nullify everything. But I

am not God. When it is overloaded, I have to suffer. This is the principle

that the Christian idea that Christ takes.

Tamala Krsna: The trouble with the Christians is that they never relieved

Christ. They go on sinning. That's not love.

Prabhupada: Yes. The principle is that the spiritual master takes all the

resultant sinful action, but the disciple also says that "Now, stop it.

Otherwise my spiritual master..." That is gentleman. And "Now use that

thing, go on taking our sinful reaction. We will go on with our own

business."

Tamala Krsna: That's not loving at all. That is taking advantage.

Prabhupada: That is cheating.

Tamala Krsna: Cheating.

Prabhupada: The same cheating. And he is not liberated because he continues

cheating.

Tamala Krsna: Frankly, though, we can see by Christianity that some defect

is there. Either it's probably not there on the part of Jesus. He could have

given them a way to purify themself, but they...

Prabhupada: One chance, that "You have accepted me, I take your all sinful

reactions." But these rascals continue.

Tamala Krsna: His point was that "Now you must continue to follow my

instructions."

Prabhupada: Yes. Otherwise why ten commandments? And these rascals took it

that "I shall not follow any of you. You take our sinful reaction. It is

very good religion."

Tamala Krsna: And therefore they say no one is more merciful than Jesus.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Even if... We are doing anything, but he still forgives us.

Prabhupada: This is going on. Therefore according to history, he retired.

That is resurrection. He went to Kashmir. "It is hopeless."

Tamala Krsna: He didn't die on the cross.

Prabhupada: It is not possible to kill him. Such a great personality,

representative of God, he is not killed. That is not possible.

Tamala Krsna: Simply by putting some wounds.

Prabhupada: He made a show that "I am killed." That is resurrection. And

when you finished your business, then he will go (indistinct).

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, they say that when he got down they rubbed his body with

oils.

Prabhupada: He was a great yogi and so on. (SP conversation, 16 April 1977)