Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 What excactly is Mother Durga's position, given that she is jiva-tattva and yet binds all the jivas? Your servant, Dinanatha das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 In a message dated 2/1/01 8:40:08 AM Central Standard Time, Dinanatha.LOK (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: << What excactly is Mother Durga's position, given that she is jiva-tattva and yet binds all the jivas? Your servant, Dinanatha das >> If Durga is the Shakti of Lord Shiva, who is a special Tattva of his own, is she a jiva-tattva or a spcial case of her own? Do you have some shastric refs for Durga as jiva tattva? YVFS, Jayo dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 DdLNDI> What excactly is Mother Durga's position, given that she is jiva-tattva and DdLNDI> yet binds all the jivas? Mother Durga is shakti tattva not jiva tattva, I'll have to look up some references for you. ys, Vinod-bihari das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 >If Durga is the Shakti of Lord Shiva, who is a special Tattva of his own, >is she a jiva-tattva or a spcial case of her own? Do you have some >shastric refs for Durga as jiva >tattva? Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura in his purports on Sri Brahma Samhita, especially in 5.41 and 5.44, clearly describes Sri Durgadevi as sakti-tattva, who is related to the original sakti, RamA, as Lord Siva is related to Maha-Sankarsana. It is described that as Lord Sankarsana gets reflected in the water of the Causal Ocean, and His reflection becomes Lord Sambhu, a tattva on his own, similarly Laxmidevi, or RamA, who is service the lotus feet of Maha-Sankarsana, gets reflected in the Causal Ocean thus manifesting as Sri Durgadevi. That is why Durgadevi is sometimes called jagal-laksmi, or 'Laxmi of this Universe". There are a few references which shed some more light on the position of Srimati Durga devi: "The Brahma-samhita says, chayeva yasya bhuvanani bibharti durga. Durga is not different from yogamaya. When one understands Durga properly, he is immediately liberated, for Durga is originally the spiritual potency, hladini-sakti, by whose mercy one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead very easily. Radha krsna-pranaya-vikrtir hladini-saktir asmad. The mahamaya-sakti, however, is a covering of yogamaya, and she is therefore called the covering potency. By this covering potency, the entire material world is bewildered (yaya sammohitau jagat). In conclusion, bewildering the conditioned souls and liberating the devotees are both functions belonging to yogamaya." SB 10.1.69 add.notes. There are two kinds of maya-yogamaya and mahamaya. Mahamaya is an expansion of yogamaya, and both these mayas are different expressions of the Lord's internal potencies. SB 4.16.2 purp. yan maya-cestitam pumsah sthity-utpatty-apyayaya hi anugrahas tan-nivrtter atma-labhaya cesyate TRANSLATION The Supreme Personality of Godhead acts through His material energy in the creation, maintenance and annihilation of this cosmic manifestation just to deliver the living entity by His compassion and stop the living entity's birth, death and duration of materialistic life. Thus He enables the living being to return home, back to Godhead. SB 9.24.58 aparam tv aksaram ya sa prakrtir jada-rupika srih para prakrtih prokta cetana visnu-samsraya tam aksaram param prahuh paratah param aksaram harir evakhila-guno 'py aksara-trayam iritam "The inferior infallible entity is that nature who manifests as the material world. The goddess of fortune, on the other hand, is known as the superior nature. She is pure consciousness and is under the direct shelter of Lord Visnu. While she is said to be the superior infallible entity, that infallible entity who is greater than the greatest is Lord Hari Himself, the original possessor of all transcendental qualities. In this way, three distinct infallible entities are described." (quoted from Skanda Purana in SB 12.11.20 purp.) I am sure there is much more to it. Your servant, Madana-mohana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 11:20:30 PM Central Standard Time, Madana-mohana.MG (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: << Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura in his purports on Sri Brahma Samhita, especially in 5.41 and 5.44, clearly describes Sri Durgadevi as sakti-tattva, who is related to the original sakti, RamA, as Lord Siva is related to Maha-Sankarsana. >> All glories to Srila Prabhupada Do you mean Bhaktivinoda or Bhaktisidhanta? I did not know the former had purports on Sri Brahma Samhita. YS, Jayo d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 According to Narada Pancaratra, Durga Devi, who is mahamaya, is external form of Srimati Radharani. Her duty is to bewilder the unfortunate jivas who have turned their backs on the Supreme Lord. Therefore she is shakti-tattva. I will supply the exact Sanskrit verses later, as I am currently on the road, and my books are not with me. ys, Isvara dasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 >Do you mean Bhaktivinoda or Bhaktisidhanta? I did not know the former had >purports on > Sri Brahma Samhita. Both of them commented, but the commentaries of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati are mostly an English rendition of that of Srila Bhaktivinoda, which was in Bengali. I think there was a discussion on the topic some years back in Krsna Katha conference. Your servant, Madana-mohana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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