Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 PLEASE PLEASE let us keep this stuff out of this conference. Anywhere else. My, I did not come here for politics, and I have no intention to enter into a discussion of politics. With the letter on which this was a comment, my attempt was to get something going on a philosophical level on the subject matter of diksa-guru and siksa-gurus and the flow of teachings among individuals. But instead we get to read meanings into others' writings and link all of this to current politics. Huh! I request all devotees to kindly leave such discussions for other forums or contact me in private, althoug still I will not be interested in discussing Narayan Maharaja ISKCON politics. It simply has nothing to do with my practice of Krishna consciousness. > > Looking at it from a practical perspective, how would you relate this > > statement to the vast majority of the members of ISKCON who are not > > initiated by Srila Prabhupada? The present diksa-gurus in ISKCON have > > their respective individual approaches to Srila Prabhupada and his > > teachings, and correspondingly they have a scale of emphasis on them. > This is true, everyone is a personality so there are some individual > approaches between the diksa gurus in ISKCON. But we have to see that they > have to present the philosophy as Srila Prabhupada wanted otherwise the > problems arise as we have seen in so many examples. For example Kirtananda > Prabhu slightly changed the view on sadhana and dressing of his followers. > It was a individual approach and Srila Prabhupada was keeped as the > Founder Acarya in the temple room. There is one story a lady told. > She came to the New Vrindavana Temple and suddenly Srila Prabhupada's > murty started to speak to her. He told her to take his shoes since he > doesn't want to be present in this temple. He told her that he is not > satisfied because they are not really following him. So, the lady amazed > followed Srila Prabhupada's instructions. Later one after many years she > dreamed Srila Prabhupada who told her that now it is the time to bring the > shoes back. So, after comming to New Vrindavana she put the shoes back and > was observed by devotees who caught her. They were quite angry with her. > She told the whole incident. She also told that she dreamed now Prabhupada > who told her to bring the shoes back. She has asked him, what happened. > And he replied that now since they again are following him he wants to > again be present in the temple to give the mercy. > > And > > one diksa-guru will not always be of the same in opinion as the other, > > this is evident in the light of the history. > So, therefore one should serve under a particular parampara. This is > obvious. You can not say that the differences bettween ISKCON diksa gurus > are of the same nature that for example between a ISKCON diksa guru and > Narayana Maharaja. This has to be clear. It is nothing wrong in this, but > one has to see which branch of Lord Caitanya tree one is following. > > >People adopt teachings > > according to their capacity and inclination, and their followers absorb > > them accordingly. And even Prabhupada has taught different things to > > different disciples. > > He has certainly given personal instructions but his teaching didn't > differ. One can not take that when small details deffer one from another > it is same as when one makes big changes. Please, do not try to present > things in this way! > > And one person is never a xerox copy of the other, > > although the haircut may be similar. Thus we are left with some 60 > > groups of people (that is, within ISKCON) who adopt this statement and > > sometimes get on the case of others who have absorbed a different mood > > from their diksa-guru. > > This is a tricky way of presentation. You are trying to present that even > in ISKCON there are many different groups and so it can not be taken that > Srila Prabhupada presented the philosophy in a particular way. There are > no 60 groups in ISKCON since there is a GBC were there is a cooperation > and no individual can present only his way of view. That's why Srila > Prabhupada has made the GBC. And His society is so in a cooperative mood > following Srila Prabhupada. Narayana Maharaja's group is a seperate group. > Do not try to first present the differences in ISKCON and then try to > present that Narayana Maharaja's way of view is off the same nature. The > difference between an idared apple and jonagold apple is not same as the > difference between an pearch and an apple. This any intelligent person can > see. > > > What to speak of those who do not have a diksa-guru. I skimmed through > > the member list of Krishna Katha, and noted that out of its 433 members, > > 135 are not initiated, or were initiated by a diksa-guru who lost his > > good standing in the course of time. > So, if one says something he should state that his presenting the > philosophy presented by Narayana Maharaja. We should see what conference > we want to have an ecumenical one or a Srila Prabhupada Followers one? So, > then when we have this policy we can see what we want. > > How would you help those who are not initiated by Srila Prabhupada to > > relate to the quote you have presented? How about those who are > > initiated by various persons with individual moods and emphasis on > > Krishna consciousness? > Those who are following Srila Prabhupada want certainly to present the > Srila Prabhupada's view on KC, and it is also o.k. that the others want to > present the view of their guru. So, we have to see if this conference is > preaching Srila Prabhupada's teachings, or any group can write. > > Some food for thought. I am looking forward hearing more in this regard > > from our learned and wise assembly of devotees. > I am having respect for Narayana Maharaja. But good fences make good > neighbours. And one has to see what one is following. > YHS > DKD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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