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PLEASE PLEASE let us keep this stuff out of this conference. Anywhere else.

My, I did not come here for politics, and I have no intention to enter into

a discussion of politics.

 

With the letter on which this was a comment, my attempt was to get something

going on a philosophical level on the subject matter of diksa-guru and

siksa-gurus and the flow of teachings among individuals.

 

But instead we get to read meanings into others' writings and link all of

this to current politics. Huh! I request all devotees to kindly leave such

discussions for other forums or contact me in private, althoug still I will

not be interested in discussing Narayan Maharaja ISKCON politics. It simply

has nothing to do with my practice of Krishna consciousness.

 

 

> > Looking at it from a practical perspective, how would you relate this

> > statement to the vast majority of the members of ISKCON who are not

> > initiated by Srila Prabhupada? The present diksa-gurus in ISKCON have

> > their respective individual approaches to Srila Prabhupada and his

> > teachings, and correspondingly they have a scale of emphasis on them.

> This is true, everyone is a personality so there are some individual

> approaches between the diksa gurus in ISKCON. But we have to see that they

> have to present the philosophy as Srila Prabhupada wanted otherwise the

> problems arise as we have seen in so many examples. For example Kirtananda

> Prabhu slightly changed the view on sadhana and dressing of his followers.

> It was a individual approach and Srila Prabhupada was keeped as the

> Founder Acarya in the temple room. There is one story a lady told.

> She came to the New Vrindavana Temple and suddenly Srila Prabhupada's

> murty started to speak to her. He told her to take his shoes since he

> doesn't want to be present in this temple. He told her that he is not

> satisfied because they are not really following him. So, the lady amazed

> followed Srila Prabhupada's instructions. Later one after many years she

> dreamed Srila Prabhupada who told her that now it is the time to bring the

> shoes back. So, after comming to New Vrindavana she put the shoes back and

> was observed by devotees who caught her. They were quite angry with her.

> She told the whole incident. She also told that she dreamed now Prabhupada

> who told her to bring the shoes back. She has asked him, what happened.

> And he replied that now since they again are following him he wants to

> again be present in the temple to give the mercy.

>

> And

> > one diksa-guru will not always be of the same in opinion as the other,

> > this is evident in the light of the history.

> So, therefore one should serve under a particular parampara. This is

> obvious. You can not say that the differences bettween ISKCON diksa gurus

> are of the same nature that for example between a ISKCON diksa guru and

> Narayana Maharaja. This has to be clear. It is nothing wrong in this, but

> one has to see which branch of Lord Caitanya tree one is following.

>

> >People adopt teachings

> > according to their capacity and inclination, and their followers absorb

> > them accordingly. And even Prabhupada has taught different things to

> > different disciples.

>

> He has certainly given personal instructions but his teaching didn't

> differ. One can not take that when small details deffer one from another

> it is same as when one makes big changes. Please, do not try to present

> things in this way!

>

> And one person is never a xerox copy of the other,

> > although the haircut may be similar. Thus we are left with some 60

> > groups of people (that is, within ISKCON) who adopt this statement and

> > sometimes get on the case of others who have absorbed a different mood

> > from their diksa-guru.

>

> This is a tricky way of presentation. You are trying to present that even

> in ISKCON there are many different groups and so it can not be taken that

> Srila Prabhupada presented the philosophy in a particular way. There are

> no 60 groups in ISKCON since there is a GBC were there is a cooperation

> and no individual can present only his way of view. That's why Srila

> Prabhupada has made the GBC. And His society is so in a cooperative mood

> following Srila Prabhupada. Narayana Maharaja's group is a seperate group.

> Do not try to first present the differences in ISKCON and then try to

> present that Narayana Maharaja's way of view is off the same nature. The

> difference between an idared apple and jonagold apple is not same as the

> difference between an pearch and an apple. This any intelligent person can

> see.

>

> > What to speak of those who do not have a diksa-guru. I skimmed through

> > the member list of Krishna Katha, and noted that out of its 433 members,

> > 135 are not initiated, or were initiated by a diksa-guru who lost his

> > good standing in the course of time.

> So, if one says something he should state that his presenting the

> philosophy presented by Narayana Maharaja. We should see what conference

> we want to have an ecumenical one or a Srila Prabhupada Followers one? So,

> then when we have this policy we can see what we want.

> > How would you help those who are not initiated by Srila Prabhupada to

> > relate to the quote you have presented? How about those who are

> > initiated by various persons with individual moods and emphasis on

> > Krishna consciousness?

> Those who are following Srila Prabhupada want certainly to present the

> Srila Prabhupada's view on KC, and it is also o.k. that the others want to

> present the view of their guru. So, we have to see if this conference is

> preaching Srila Prabhupada's teachings, or any group can write.

> > Some food for thought. I am looking forward hearing more in this regard

> > from our learned and wise assembly of devotees.

> I am having respect for Narayana Maharaja. But good fences make good

> neighbours. And one has to see what one is following.

> YHS

> DKD