Nietzsche: Undercover Bhakta?

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Hare Krishna, _/\o_

 

last week I got a mail with interesting info. It refers to famous/notorious

philosopher Nietzsche and his possible hidden face as sort of Krishna's

devotee.

 

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I read an article in your web site entitled Nietzsche on God

 

> Synthesis of Science and Religion

> Critical Essays and Dialogues

> Papers presented at the World Congress for the Synthesis of Science and

> Religion, Jan. 9-12, 1986, Bombay

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> © 1987 Bhaktivedanta Institute

>

> Section Seven, Essay three, p.398:

> William Deadwyler (Ravindra Svarupa Dasa):

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> Nietzsche, the great evangelist of the dead God, was not, in my

> understanding, a true atheist. For he once remarked, "I should be able to

> believe in a God who could dance". As a believer in Krishna, who is known

> as Nataraja, the great dancer, I see that Nietzsche's faith was

> unfulfilled and frustrated by the idea of divinity available to him. But

> unfulfilled faith is not atheism.

 

I don't know how to contact Ravindra Svarup Dasa, but I thought he might

like to know that Nietzsche was in fact a devotee of Krishna. He once said

"I could be the Buddha of Europe." Like Buddha, Nietzsche too merely

pretended to be an atheist. He lied for Krishna. In the second to last

section of Beyond Good and Evil, #295, Nietzsche describes his secret God,

code named Dionysus, as the pied piper in everyone's heart, the philosopher

great with a disciplic succession. This is Krishna, about whom Nietzsche

was not only well aware, but quite in love with. This fact is a great

victory for devotees of Krishna. I have written a book about detailing the

evidence. If anyone is interested please contact me at

toddesmond .

 

Thank you. Hare Krishna.

 

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Dear Prabhu,

 

thanks for writing. I'd be interested in more info on Nietzsche like this.

 

: I don't know how to contact Ravindra Svarup Dasa, but I thought he

: might like to know that Nietzsche was in fact a devotee of Krishna.

 

He has a website rsdtm.com so he can be contacted through it.

 

Yes, Dionysus was sometimes described similarly as Krishna. This is the

research field of Bhakti Ananda Goswami who sometimes publishes at

vediculture

 

Your servant, bh. Jan

 

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Dear Prabhu, thank you very much for responding to my e-mail. I just wrote

you an entire reply and the e-mail shut down and erased everything. Here it

goes again, in a truncated version. Nietzsche was a devotee of Krishna using

in the west the same strategy Buddha used in the east (Shrimad Bhagavatam

1.3.24 "Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord

Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of

deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist." In Beyond Good and

Evil #40 he said, "Whatever is profound loves masks; ... Might nothing less

than the opposite be the proper disguise for the shame of a god?"

 

In the Gay Science #106 he had a disciple say to his master:

 

"But I believe in your cause and consider it so strong that I shall say

everything, everything that I still have in my mind against it."

 

The innovator laughed in his heart and wagged a finger at him. "This kind of

discipleship," he said, "is best; but it is also the most dangerous, and not

every kind of doctrine can endure it."

 

Just two aphorisms later, at a very significant #108, Nietzsche dropped his

most famous line:

 

After Buddha was dead, his shadow was still shown for centuries in a cave--

a tremendous, gruesome shadow. God is dead; but given the ways of men, there

may still be caves for thousands of years in which his shadow will be shown.

 

It was no accident that Nietzsche said God is dead and combined that

statement with Buddha and the most sacred Vedic number, 108. Nietzsche knew

exactly what Buddha did, and he was following the same strategy, as evidence

by GS #106 cited above. About God's shadow being in a cave, and Buddha's,

let us hear what else Nietzsche said about caves. "Does not one write books

precisely to conceal what one harbors? Indeed, he will doubt ... whether

behind every one of his caves there is not, must not be, another deeper

cave. ... Every philosophy also conceals a philosophy; every opinion is also

a hideout, every word also a mask. (Beyond Good and Evil #289)

 

This recalls us to the early quote, BGE #40, when Nietzsche said profound

things love masks, and precisely the opposite would be the mask of a god.

Did Nietzsche really play the Buddha game? He said himself, "I could become

the Buddha of Europe." (KSA 10, 4[2]) He also said, "The strange family

resemblance of all Indian, Greek, and German philosophizing is explained

easily enough, where there is affinity of languages, it cannot fail, ...

everything is prepared at the outset for a similar development and sequence

of philosophical systems. (BGE#20) Before my computer shuts down again let

me cite one last piece of evidence, the second to last section of Beyond

Good and Evil, #295, in which Nietzsche plainly describes his God, and

plainly admits he is using a secret code name, Dionysus, a.k.a Krishna:

 

The genius of the heart, as that great concealed one possesses it, the

tempter god and born pied piper of consciences whose voice knows how to

descend into the netherworld of every soul, ... Of whom am I speaking to

you? ... no less a one than the god Dionysus, that great ambiguous one and

tempter god to whom I once offered, as you know, in all secrecy and

reverence, my first-born ... for I have found no one who understood what I

was doing then.

 

Meanwhile I have learned much, all too much, more about the philosophy of

this god, and, as I said, from mouth to mouth-- I, the last great disciple

and initiate of the god Dionysus--and I suppose I might begin at long last

to offer you, my friends, a few tastes of this philosophy, insofar as it is

permitted me? In an undertone, as is fair, for it concerns much that is

secret, new, strange, odd, uncanny.

 

Even that Dionysus is a philosopher, and that gods, too, thus do philosophy,

seems to me to be a novelty that is far from innocuous and might arouse

suspicion precisely among philosophers. ... For today, as I have been told,

you no longer like to believe in God and gods. Perhaps I shall also have to

carry frankness further in my tale than will always be pleasing to the

strict habit of your ears? Certainly the god in question went further,very

much further, in dialogues of this sort and was always many steps ahead of

me."

 

Nietzsche's God, code named Dionysus, is a genius in the heart of every

soul, a pied piper (or flute player), and a master at the art of

philosophical dialogue, a philosophy, moreover, that is handed down from

master to disciple "from mouth to mouth." Other than Socrates (whom some

people claim Nietzsche is secretly describing), the only other philosophical

dialogues worthy of discussing are the Vedas. And so we turn to the most

famous of all, the Bhagavad-gita, in which Krishna affirms: "I am seated in

everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness.

By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedanta, and

I am the knower of the Vedas."

 

Nietzsche also said "I could only believe in a God who could dance." This

too is Krishna. Nietzsche was clearly a devotee of Krishna, the king of the

atheists was in fact a great devotee of God. If we can prove this to people

we will win a great victory for Lord Krishna and all his devotees.

 

I would proof read this e-mail but I don't want to risk losing it all

again-- I am not expert on the whole computer thing. I would have sent an

attachment but the book I wrote was written on an old Apple, MacWrite II.

Thank you again for taking an interest.

 

Hare Krishna.