Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 > > In Godavari, Caitanya Mahaprabhu manifested his Rasaraja-mahabhava > > svarupa. There in Godavari He discussed all tattvas: rasa-tattva, > > prema-tattva, and Radha-tattva. But who saw this? Only Ramananda Raya. > > This manifestation of Rasaraja-mahabhava was not an ordinary activity. > > No one else could have shown Himself as Radha and Krishna. Therefore it > > is an opulence, aisvarya, and it is not the highest lila. > > Question 3: Please give some pramana from a previous acarya or sastra that > clearly confirms that the Mahaprabhu's manifestation as Rasaraj-mahabhava > is aisvarya-maya-lila, or a pastime full of opulence. It was the highest lila. This seems complete apasiddhanta. It is described that the vision Ramananda Raya had was the topmost revelation and was not seen by anyone before. Radha-Krsna means madhurya, how can it be aisvarya? Plus Ramamnanda raya is not a devotee in the mood of awe and reverence. He is actually a suddha-vrajabasi. Bhaktisiddhanta says that when Radha-Krsna were manifest, Gauranga was not and when Gauranga was present before Ramananda Radha-Krsna was not. audarye madhurya aprakata. Also the coversation between RR and LC is recognized as the highest and the most esoteric conversation about the Absolute Truth. How can it be said to be lower? > > In Jagannatha Puri no one accepted the names Sacinandana, etc. Everyone > > there had a reverential mood towards Mahaprabhu. This also seems completely offensive not only to Lord Gaura's devotees in Puri but also to the Puri dhama itself. Sacinandana and Krsna Caitanya both are transcendental names of the Lord and both were chanted in glorification of the Lord when He was in Puri. Krsnadasa Kaviraja himself glorifies the name of Sacinandana while describing the Lord's pastimes in Puri. kari’ eta vilapana, prabhu ac…-nandana, ugh€iy€ hdayera oka Besides Bhaktivinoda Thakura says in NDP that dasya rasa is highest mood in the worship of Sriman Mahaprabhu for a sadhana-siddha jiva. In the maturity of dasya rasa with Mahaprabhu, one realizes one's rasa (any one of the five) with Krsna. Even in Navadvipa, no sadhana-siddha jiva can take up a rasa higher than dasya rasa (which means a reverential mood) for the Lord. Otherwise it becomes gauranga-nagari deviation like Madhavananda Prabhu pointed out. Ofcourse the eternal associates nitya-siddha of Lord Caitanya can be in the higher rasas like Sacidevi (vatsalya). But still the attitude of servitude predominantes as described in Cc. > So all gopis were married. Only Radhika was not married. There was some > trick of Yogamaya. At that year She was not married. For Radhika, for > Vrsabhanu Maharaja it was told that it was a very bad year, so this > [marriage] She should not do. So trickily [by trick] all the gopis who > married that year were married to Krsna. And also Srimati Radhika was > married to Abhimanyu. She was not married, but Her manifestation was > married to Abhimanyu. Who is Abhimanyu? He is also manifestation of Krnsa. > So shadow was married to shadow. Where has this been stated in the scriptures that Krsna did not expand as Abhimanyu in that one year? Or that Radharani married later? It should come from some sastra otherwise it cannot be accepted. We know that Radharani was officially and legally married to Krsna by Brahma in the Brahma-vaivarta Purana. And it is also expected that Krsna expanded as the cowherd boys and married everyone including Radharani because all the gopies including Radharani had performed the Katyayani vrata to have Krsna legally as their husband. > If Caitanya Mahaprabhu had not descended, and His associates like Rupa > Gosvami, Svarupa Damodara, Raya Ramananda had not come, oh it was sure > that Kalki Bhagavan would have come and cut all > [killed all]. And then Satya-yuga would have come. But in this Kali-yuga > Kalki will not come. This is completely bogus. I challenge that there is no pramana for this. These asastric comments will create havoc in the society of devotees and even among the common man in general because we are supposed to give the right philosophy to them and not mislead them. In the Krsna Sandarbha of Jiva Goswami, it is said that Kalki and Buddha appear in every Kali-yuga. I can post the Sanskrit if necessary. Forgive me for the strong words but I am criticizing the points made not the person. I feel very pained when I read asastric deviations. Bhaktivinoda Thakura said that if one does not fight against apasiddhanta then the pure path of bhakti will be gradually lost. Your aspiring servant, Bhaktiratna Sadhu Swami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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