how do they come back?

[Guest guest]

>> Very interesting. A midwife will not spank a newborn to make them

>> breathe as doctors generally do. This hurts and makes babies cry, I

>> remember.

 

>Do you remember you being spanked or your child(ren).

 

re: the birth process: "of the six changes of every living entity, the

first is deliverance form the womb and that is Krsna." Bhagavad Gita,

10.34.

 

Our first child was quiet and only cried after the doctor gave her a

slap. The second child, delivered by midwives didn't make a sound. I kept

asking, "Is she breathing? Is she breathing?" thinking that children took

that first breath that separated them from the umbilical cord by crying

out. No so. My child lay there quietly, breathing, by Krsna's grace,

easily.

 

If anyone has Mendelson's book, "Confessions of a Medical Heretic", he

may mention his views on child birth in a hospital, although now many

hospitals have modern birthing rooms. Srila Prabhupada equates birth with

death. The whole process is painful, from beginning to end. Lets all go

back to Godhead-- no more birth and death in this material world.

 

ys

 

 

 

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> There is no question of sadness in heavenly planets, since heavenly

> planets are meant only/strictly for enjoyment. If you see another

person

> feeling sad, then you may start sympathising with him and yourself may

> start feeling sad. "NO SIR. NO WAY", goes the story. According to it, in

> heavenly planets, life is simply enjoyment. You simply "freak out" and

> have a gala time all your life. All 100 years of it. Not a fraction of

> second are you in misery.

 

With all due respect to Avadhuta prabhu, this statement seems to be an

example of circular reasoning: the is no misery on the heavenly planets

because they are meant only for enjoyment. And of course they are meant only

for enjoyment, otherwise why there is no miseries there?

 

Just one out of many quotes from Srila Prabhupada (SB 2.2.2):

 

"The Lord says that even the topmost planet, known as the Brahmaloka or

Satyaloka (and what to speak of other planets, like the heavenly planets) is

not a happy place for residential purposes, due to the presence of material

pangs..."

 

One could also consider examples of Aditi and other demigods harrased by the

demons headed by Bali Maharaja, a story of King Gajendra that happened on

the heavenly planets, numerous calamities of King Indra etc.

 

Your servant,

Madana-mohana das

[Guest guest]

> Just one out of many quotes from Srila Prabhupada (SB 2.2.2):

>

> "The Lord says that even the topmost planet, known as the Brahmaloka or

> Satyaloka (and what to speak of other planets, like the heavenly planets)

> is not a happy place for residential purposes, due to the presence of

> material pangs..."

>

> One could also consider examples of Aditi and other demigods harrased by

> the demons headed by Bali Maharaja, a story of King Gajendra that happened

> on the heavenly planets, numerous calamities of King Indra etc.

 

I had mentioned in my posting that this story which I had heard in childhood

needs to be sastricaly verified.

 

And now may I conclude that by the mercy of the devotees, the bogusness of

this village story (gramya katha!) now has now been conclusively shown! :-)

 

yfs

Avadhut das