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Letter COM:2091272 (75 lines)

WWW: Payonidhi (Dasa) HKS (Boston MA - USA) <matsya (AT) com (DOT) org>

11-Feb-99 23:21 -0500

Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) [11343]

Avadhut (das) GRS (BI Bombay - IN) [2338]

Bhadra Balaram (das) JPS (Mayapur - IN) [12554]

H.G. Locanananda Prabhu <LFELDA (AT) aol (DOT) com>

Krsna-krpa (das) SDG (BI) (Alachua, FL - USA) [507]

Madan Gopal (das) LOK (Denver, CO - USA) [1768]

Mrugesh Prabhu <mrugesh@merck_com>

Prasad prabhu <prasad (AT) fulcrum (DOT) ecc.engr.uky.edu>

For: (Krsna) Katha

Reference: Text COM:2090676 by Sraddha (dd) HKS (Gothenburg - S)

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On 11 Feb 1999, Sraddha dd wrote:

 

> <It is sad that Harikesa Prabhu has become so critical of Srila

Prabhupada

> <,it indicates to me it make take him a few lives to returne to

devotional

> <service.

>

> If chanting is devotional service, than he definitelly didn't stop

> devotional service, since he

> is still very enthusiastically chanting and preaching about Radha and

> Krishna. As far as taking him a few life times to return to devotional

> service, be careful, because you could find

> yourself in the same situation soon, because you also have become very

> critical of your

> own spiritual master.

>

> Ys. Sraddha dd

 

It is also sad that some fanatic ex-disciples support Harikesa even though

he obviously is offending Srila Prabhupada left and right. You maybe want to

justify his falldown from sannyasa as lila? Or marrying his own disciple as

spiritual? That is like a spiritual daughter... I have certainly rejected

him after having heard his offences to Srila Prabhupada. And in the past I

warned the GBC that he was not fit to be a guru, now finally he has shown

his real face, by criticizing Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON and the GBC.

 

To be honest with you, I don't think he was qualified to begin with, because

he always thought he was better than Srila Prabhupada and knew better. Well

I got news for you he don't.

 

And how can it be justified he dares criticizes Srila Prabhupada for not

chanting 16 rounds? Who is he to criticizes? He is eating his own vomit by

falling from sannyasa, vantasi. We have heard he opened letters only to get

money, only foolish neophytes, and sentimental neophyte devotees will follow

him now that he is so fallen. Just as he is not my guru so neither are

you...You can keep you opinion to yourself and this is not approved by the

GBC or any bonafide authority in ISKCON, so obviously it is not me who is

out to lunch, on this one, you are. Your lack of vaisnava etiquette shows he

never trained people like you in proper KC.

 

Your defense is not based on anything KC, I feel sorry for him, but he was

too puffed up, and as Hrdaynanda Maharaja said now we can finally establish

varna ashrama. Don't go there in public again, you will be exposed as very

neophyte and foolish. His problem was he was into power and worship and

mistreated many devotees, Krsna punished him and covered his intelligence.

He is not humble to come back to spread KC, he has become anti ISKCON, and

now where he is not the enjoyer or controller he has no desire to be in

ISKCON. I suggest you talk to some senior men that can show you the real

light, please don't be sentimentally attached.

 

As far as Harikesa is concerned he never helped me the least in 20 years, I

fell like he was never a bonafide guru, I am, sorry that is my opinion. He

ran a show for many years as it was artificial he had to crash. No sadhana,

he talks about Srila Prabhupada's lack of chanting this arrogant person

never attended mongal artik in all the years I knew him. Pride, pride and

pride that was his problem and remains his problem plus he disagrees with

Srila Prabhupada on may issue.

 

So who should we follow?? Srila Prabhupada or HArikesa?????

 

I see no comparison. If you want to go listen to him talk theoretical about

Radha Krsna from some book, and have no humility in his heart to admit he is

fallen, then to hell with his arrogance. I am happy Krsna exposed him and

even though it took so long I can now progress in my spiritual life without

a cheating guru. He had asked the GBC before to get married, but they

allowed him to remain a guru...

 

It is not worthy to even waste my energy on, but for the sake of truth I

have spoken this though it may not be palatable truth. When did he ever go

out himself to sell books?? He took the credit from everyone, and he was

mistreating disciples and godbrothers alike.

 

He was so puffed up... and your comment just made me remember all this maya.

Yes he did lots of good and as vaisnavas, we want to see this, but when he

attacks Srila Prabhupada, no one will care for him. And he is not going to

return to harass more devotees in this life. So be very careful when you

support someone that is an offender at Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet. I

personally don't want to even see or hear about such a person. Don't think

Krsna forgot all the injustices he did to devotees....

 

You may be blind, that is your problem. But I want to warn you don't follow

him.

 

Your well-wisher and servant,

Payonidhi das

 

PS: If you want to write me please send it as a private letter, I will not

like to expose him any further.