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Do you have some evidence of this quotes being truth?

 

ys, Sdd

 

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> Asunto: 4 rounds, 16 rounds or 64 rounds

> Fecha: Martes 9 de Febrero de 1999 09:00

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> [Text 2085171 from COM]

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> > So one NIRBANDHA stands for 64 rounds. That is the reason why BSST

> > prescribed chanting of a minimum of 64 rounds everyday, which is

> > accordance to the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu in Caitanya

> > Bhagavat.

>

> Actually Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura prescribed a minimum of 4 rounds

> (one granthi) for those engaged in preaching. He used to say: "Just don't

> let the beads fast." This is still the harinama initiation standard in the

> Gaudiya Matha. He prescribed 16 or 64 rounds for all others.

>

> Srutakirti Prabhu quoted Srila Prabhupada where he said that he chanted 16

> rounds during his grihastha days. As far as the standard for preachers is

> concerned, Harikesa Prabhu said some time ago: "Prabhupada chanted maximum

> four rounds a day. Maximum. I know, because I used to be with him in the

> middle of the night. I know what he was doing. Maximum four rounds. Not more

> than 20 minutes. Maybe sometimes 30 minutes of chanting."

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This is an excerpt from my book in the making which will hopefully be at soon.

I hope it answers some of the questions, if not feel free to ask more?

 

Srila Prabhupada Uvaca 61

May 1973, Los Angeles, Ca.,

Camp: ISKCON, New Dwarka

 

It is easy to understand that Srila Prabhupada enjoyed chanting japa. He

always stressed to us the importance of chanting our 16 rounds. He told me

that as a householder he used a simple process for completing 16 rounds that

we could apply. He said, "When I was a householder I would chant 4 rounds

before each meal and 4 rounds before retiring in the evening. In this way 16

rounds could be chanted without difficulty." He laughed and said, "If you

don't take prasadam before chanting your 4 rounds then you will be sure to get

them chanted."

 

In New Dwarka he said to me, "In the evening, if I get tired, I walk and

chant." Looking at me he said, "If you are tired, then walk and chant like I

do. Sometimes, if I am tired I pace back and forth in the room. Simply, in one

room you can do everything. If you are tired, you can stand up and chant, like

I do." It was very common to see Srila Prabhupada walking around in his

quarters or sitting in his rocking chair, chanting rounds. Sometimes in the

evening he would chant rounds while I was giving him massage in bed.

Sometimes, he would say, "There, I'm finished." Once in New Dwarka I was in

his sitting room cleaning around his desk. He was sitting behind his desk

chanting japa. As he pulled down a counter bead he looked at me with a

beautiful smile and said humorously, "There, I have finished my 16 rounds. Now

I can do any damn thing I want."

 

Sometimes devotees would ask Srila Prabhupada about following certain rules in

regards to Ekadasi or following Catur mas. Srila Prabhupada responded, "My

disciples, they cannot even chant 16 rounds and follow the principles. What is

the use of these other rules and regulations.

 

First, just do these things. Do the simple things that I ask you to do. Don't

concern yourself with all these rituals. First, chant your 16 rounds and

follow the principles."

 

One day a brahmacari entered Srila Prabhupada's room and told him that he had

fallen down with a woman. He told Srila Prabhupada that perhaps he should get

married. Srila Prabhupada answered, "Marriage. Why do you think marriage is

going to solve your difficulties? You should chant. Just chant Hare Krishna.

Chant your 16 rounds." There were so many times that devotees went into Srila

Prabhupada's room with a problem they were hoping he would solve with some

particular arrangement. His solution was always the same. "Chant Hare Krishna,

chant your 16 rounds." He developed the phrase, "Just do it" long before Nike.

 

He once told a disciple, "If there is some difficulty, you chant loudly. If

there is some agitation, chant out loud." One time it was brought to his

attention that a senior devotee was not attending Mangal Arati or chanting

rounds, at least with the other devotees. Srila Prabhupada said, "Do it to set

the example for the other devotees. You, yourself are very advanced. You do

not need to attend Mangal Arati but you should set the example for those that

require it."

 

Thank you Srila Prabhupada for being the Acarya. You always taught by example.

You chanted rounds. You said three Gayatri mantras a day, rose early in the

morning and put tilak on your transcendental body. You never asked any

disciple to do something you were not doing yourself. You always practiced

what you preached. You showed us practically how a pure devotee conducts

himself. I have been in illusion since time immemorial but I pray that I am

never deluded into thinking that this process of devotional service is only

for the neophyte.

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By the way if you want to read any other stories, some are relevant to

chanting 16 rounds, you can get to the Srila Prabhupada Uvaca website at:

 

http://users.aol.com/vrinda/ppduvaca/uvaca.htm

 

Also, I would like to mention that in the two years I spent with Srila

Prabhupada between 9/72 to 5/75 there was often evidence to me that he chanted

well over 4 rounds a day and as I mentioned in one story he specifically

indicated to me that he had finished his sixteen rounds. Also, I often saw him

pulling down his counter beads. I was never bold enough to see how many rounds

were getting done, nor was I concerned about how many he was doing. I was

convinced that every breath he took was filled with the vibration of "Hare

Krishna"

 

I watched him chant on his beads in the early morning, on his morning walk,

after breakfast, late in the afternoon, in the early evening and sometimes

while sitting in bed during his evening massage.

 

Your servant,

 

Srutakirti dasa

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On 10 Feb 1999, Sridhari dd wrote:

 

> Do you have some evidence of this quotes being truth?

>

>

>

Dear Mataji

PAMHO

AGTSP

It is obvious in the past Harikesa Prabhu has said something else about

Prabhupadas chanting,what ever reason he has for saying differently now

is not important.He has said many things that where offensive to Srila

Prabhupada and it is very sad for those of us that were hisdisciples,like

myself.We have known him for 2o years and never once heard him say that in the

past.After he is not so bitter anymore he may come back to ISKCON

,lets just please drop this painfull issue.The main thing is others saw

Srila Prabhupada chant his 16 rounds or more.

As the the acarya spreading the holy name all over the world,why should

anyone believe he had less attraction for the holy name than a regular devotee

that chants 16 rounds.Only a madman will believe this ,and only a madman wil

suggest Srila Prabhupada did not chant 16 rounds.

YS

Payonidhi das

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Hare Krishna.

 

What does rounds matter to Srila Prabhupada ?

 

Krishna is there with him constantly and his every breath is Hare Krishna.

So why this nonsense business of subjecting an uttama adhikari on the

platform of spontaneous loving service to the rigours of us struggling souls

with hardly any taste for Harinama ? Srila Prabhupada was fully absorbed in

Krishna consciousness. His walking, speaking, chanting all were hare krishna

hare krishna !!!!! so let us stop this business !!!!!!!

To subject the spiritual master to such scrutiny is terrible offence !!!!!!

 

Hare Krishna.

 

Jai Simman

 

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RE: 4 rounds, 16 rounds or 64 rounds

 

 

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>On 10 Feb 1999, Sridhari dd wrote:

>

>> Do you have some evidence of this quotes being truth?

>>

>>

>>

>Dear Mataji

>PAMHO

>AGTSP

>It is obvious in the past Harikesa Prabhu has said something else about

>Prabhupadas chanting,what ever reason he has for saying differently now

>is not important.He has said many things that where offensive to Srila

>Prabhupada and it is very sad for those of us that were hisdisciples,like

>myself.We have known him for 2o years and never once heard him say that in

the

>past.After he is not so bitter anymore he may come back to ISKCON

>,lets just please drop this painfull issue.The main thing is others saw

>Srila Prabhupada chant his 16 rounds or more.

> As the the acarya spreading the holy name all over the world,why should

>anyone believe he had less attraction for the holy name than a regular

devotee

>that chants 16 rounds.Only a madman will believe this ,and only a madman

wil

>suggest Srila Prabhupada did not chant 16 rounds.

>YS

>Payonidhi das

>

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Questioning Srila Prabhupada's chanting of Hare Krishna is tantamount to

saying that the gopis and radharani forgot Krishna for a split second !!!!

it is simply not possible !!!!!!!

 

R. Jai Simman

 

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4 rounds, 16 rounds or 64 rounds

 

 

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> <It is sad that Harikesa Prabhu has become so critical of Srila

Prabhupada

> <,it indicates to me it make take him a few lives to returne to devotional

> <service.

>

> If chanting is devotional service, than he definitelly didn't stop

>devotional service, since he

>is still very enthusiastically chanting and preaching about Radha and

>Krishna. As far as taking him a few life times to return to devotional

>service, be careful, because you could find

>yourself in the same situation soon, because you also have become very

>critical of your

>own spiritual master.

>

> Ys. Sraddha dd

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On 12 Feb 1999, Jai Simman s/o R. Rangasamy wrote:

 

> Hare Krishna.

>

> What does rounds matter to Srila Prabhupada ?

>

> Krishna is there with him constantly and his every breath is Hare Krishna.

> So why this nonsense business of subjecting an uttama adhikari on the

> platform of spontaneous loving service to the rigours of us struggling souls

> with hardly any taste for Harinama ? Srila Prabhupada was fully absorbed in

> Krishna consciousness. His walking, speaking, chanting all were hare krishna

> hare krishna !!!!! so let us stop this business !!!!!!!

> To subject the spiritual master to such scrutiny is terrible offence !!!!!!

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> Jai Simman

> Dear Prabhu

PAMHO

AGTSP

You are right that Srila Prabhupada was fully KC.He once said:" There was

never a time I forgot krsna".However as an acarya he sets the example for

others to follow,and there is no doubt that Srila Prabhupada

was always absorbed in chanting Hare Krsna,and remembering Krsna,however it

makes it unpalatebel when Harikesa made some comments to try to shake the

faith in neophyte devotees by saying he only chanted 4 rounds or so.

Then it is like he says see,srila Prabhupada was not so great so why don't you

leave ISKCON with me as I am greater than Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada talked about how some disciples wants to "kill the guru" and

take his position.It seems that was the case here,and as Srutakirti Prabhu

pointed out he has seen Prabhupada chant his 16 rounds

as has many other devotees.But trying to create doubt that Srila Prabhupada

was chanting his rounds is fully offensive?What do you think??Srila Prabhupada

needs to be the center in ISKCON,and as long as

someone wants to be equal to or better than Srila Prabhupada there is going to

be falldowns.Now we don't want ritvik initiation but humble devotees guiding

junior devotees in their spiritual life as Gurus,but not

all this artificial stuff,my guru is better than your guru.Right there shows

they are both neophyte.We must become servants,the guru is the servant of his

disciple,as he guides them in spiritual life,the ISKCON way is control and

power and no change of hearts in KC ,this is where the Guru reform lays.I just

read a posting of Locananda Prabhu and I was touched by his humbel attempt to

be a guru.And I know that persons under the guidance of such a humble soul

will make lots of advancement.

It is not easy to be a Guru as you are required to be a pure devotee.

But rupperstamping will not do as we are seeing now.It is a big subject..

Your servant

Payonidhi das

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On 13 Feb 1999, Govinda Nandini wrote:

 

> Pamho. AGTSP.

>

> Dear Payonidhi Prabhu,

>

> Please in the future read your texts a few times before you send them. Then

> best "freeze" them, and then read them again next day. Perhaps you will

decide

> to change them or not to send them at all.

>

> Although I have no intention to follow our former guru whatsoever, I think

> your text is very one-sided and should never be written by anyone,

especially

> a former disciple. The situation might be much more complex than it seems

and

> whatever it is, it's better for all of us to avoid committing offences as

much

> as possible, or even at all cost. And just the fact that a person committs

> offences is not a reason for us to offend that person. We might ourselves

get

> in troubles in our spiritual life.

>

> Also, imho, the moderator of the conference would do better not sending such

> texts as Payonidhi's Prabhu comment on Sraddha's text to the conference. It

> doesn't benefit anybody.

>

> ys.GNdd

>

> PS. Just for the record, I certainly don't agree with Sraddha's view, and

also

> think her text is a result of a sentimental approach.

 

Dear Mataji

PAMHO

AGTSP

I already responded to you privatly,why do you post the same letter

publicly?However I will happily explain my views one more time as it is

beneficial.

I have seen over many years the way Harikesa did things, I did not approve of

many things he did and so did many of his godbrothers also not.

He has recently and repeatedly committed many offences to Srila Prabhupada

,by stating Srila Prabhupada was not as divine as we think in ISKCON.He has

questioned Srila Prabhupada's statement on many things including the womens

issue,where he totaly disagrees with Srila Prabhupada.Tokyo,January 30 1974

Srila Prabhupada gave a lecture about

disagreeing with the spiritual master,and if any sincere person listens

to this lecture it can leave no doubt,that Harikesa is envious of Srila

Prabhupada.I really don't see why it is so difficult to see,unless one is

sentimentally attached to him???Personally he has caused lots of havoc in my

life,and listened to lies about me by some jealous persons that later left the

movement.He threw out many senior men of ISKCON like Bhakti Doyal

Swami,Vegavan Prabhu,Ajit and you name them.If there is still some devotees

that think he is as good as God then I understand why they think like this.But

is it not obvious he fell down from sannyasa

,almost got married to a hippy rajness girl.He always had some sentimental

dealings with some female disciples,and that is against sastra.Actually SB

warns a guru to not fall into the trap of flattering

disciples and flattering women.I have been schocked how some sentimental

russian ladies treated him like a messiah.One lady was crawling on all four to

touch his feet, when he visited the NY temple in 1990.I know because I was

serving him.

In order to favor some certain disciples leading devotees in Sweden like

Vegavan Prabhu was driven out of the temple.

Please don't think he is a pure devotee,this is what I want devotees to

understand.

No pure devotee falls down with his own disciple and marries her,it is

considered being with ones own daughter.For some female disciples of Harikesa

it was hard,as they adored him and listened to his rock music.

A combined rock star/guru symbol!By the way Srila Prabhupada forbade the

selling of records and told devotees to sell his books instead.But though

Harikesa knew this he liked to make music and have devotees sell his

records,is that not material desires right there??

Your servant

Payonidhi das

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>Do you have some evidence of this quotes being truth?

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

 

Re how much SP chanted on his beads.

 

The best quote that I find that answers this doubt is Srila Prabhupada

himself. I remember listening from his lectures where he would say 'just

like we count 25 rounds minimum'. So the proof for that would be he himself.

(it was nice to see how he speaks about his own standard not the regular of

16 rounds and later on corrects himself as he talk to the large audience of

devotees.) Here it goes from the folio:

 

Prabhupada's Lectures

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1975

Just like we count twenty-five rounds minimum, so Ragunatha dasa

Gosvami was also chanting by counting. Similarly, he was offering

dandavat. You offer dandavat, the same way. That is also counting.

Sankhya-purvaka-nama-gana-natibhih. Sankhya-purvaka, keeping a

strength, a numerical strength, just like we are advised at least

sixteen rounds.

 

---------

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Jay Jai Simman prabhu. That was precise.

 

Hari gopal dasa

 

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> matsya (AT) com (DOT) org; COM: (Krsna) Katha

> Re: 4 rounds, 16 rounds or 64 rounds

>

> [Text 2091203 from COM]

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> What does rounds matter to Srila Prabhupada ?

>

> Krishna is there with him constantly and his every breath is Hare Krishna.

> So why this nonsense business of subjecting an uttama adhikari on the

> platform of spontaneous loving service to the rigours of us struggling

> souls

> with hardly any taste for Harinama ? Srila Prabhupada was fully absorbed

> in

> Krishna consciousness. His walking, speaking, chanting all were hare

> krishna

> hare krishna !!!!! so let us stop this business !!!!!!!

> To subject the spiritual master to such scrutiny is terrible offence

> !!!!!!

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> Jai Simman

>

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> RE: 4 rounds, 16 rounds or 64 rounds

>

>

> >[Text 2090326 from COM]

> >

> >On 10 Feb 1999, Sridhari dd wrote:

> >

> >> Do you have some evidence of this quotes being truth?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >Dear Mataji

> >PAMHO

> >AGTSP

> >It is obvious in the past Harikesa Prabhu has said something else about

> >Prabhupadas chanting,what ever reason he has for saying differently now

> >is not important.He has said many things that where offensive to Srila

> >Prabhupada and it is very sad for those of us that were hisdisciples,like

> >myself.We have known him for 2o years and never once heard him say that

> in

> the

> >past.After he is not so bitter anymore he may come back to ISKCON

> >,lets just please drop this painfull issue.The main thing is others saw

> >Srila Prabhupada chant his 16 rounds or more.

> > As the the acarya spreading the holy name all over the world,why should

> >anyone believe he had less attraction for the holy name than a regular

> devotee

> >that chants 16 rounds.Only a madman will believe this ,and only a madman

> wil

> >suggest Srila Prabhupada did not chant 16 rounds.

> >YS

> >Payonidhi das

> >

>

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