Fall of the Jiva & OOP

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> (This book which seems very thoroughly researched otherwise does not give

> the Sanskrit or the references in this instance and the author is

> deceased.) My understanding is that the soul has been bound literally

> eternally (not figuratively) from the perspective of ordinary material

> time. And from the perspective of one of the other two phases time there

> is an actual fall. This view seems consistent with Bhaktivinode's

> statements in Jaiva dharma that the issue involves understanding about cit

> and acit time and with Ravindrasvarupa's BTG essay where he says that the

> story of the fall spans two types of time.

 

So as it says in Brahma Samhita 5.56:

 

nime€rdh€khyo v€ vrajati na hi yatr€pi samayaƒ

 

nimea-ardha—half a moment; €khyaƒ—called; v€—or; vrajati—passes away;

na—not; hi—certainly; yatra—where; api—even; samayaƒ—time

 

"...where there is eternal existence of transcendental time, who is ever

present and without past or future and hence is not subject to the quality

of passing away even for the space of half a moment. That realm is known as

Goloka only to a very few self-realized souls in this world."

 

When the living entity 'falls' from the spiritual sky, he may spend what

seems like an eternity in the material ocean of blood, bones, pus, stool,

mucus and bile.

 

"From time immemorial, the living entity travels in the different species of

life and the different planets, almost perpetually. This process is

explained in Bhagavad-g…t€. Bhr€mayan sarva-bh™t€ni yantr€r™h€ni m€yay€:

[bg. 18.61]"

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 3.31.44

 

 

 

 

 

So, as you pointed out, the key is the different times in different

locations. As there is no past or future in Vaikuntha, even if we come down

here for millions of lifetimes, still, when we return back there, it is as

if we have never been away. Hence 'no fall'.

 

In this way we both 'fall' (according to material 3-phase time) and don't

fall (according to eternal-present spiritual time).

 

True, or not?

 

Your servant,

Vraja Kumara das