Guest guest Posted February 22, 1999 Report Share Posted February 22, 1999 There are definitely both statements coming from authoritative sources: fall and no fall. Interstingly, there is also a discussion about three different phases of time in a book "Introduction to Pancaratra" by Rangachar: 1. material time, 2. spiritual time and 3. relatively eternal time in which the Supersoul (Aniruddha) operates. (This book which seems very thoroughly researched otherwise does not give the Sanskrit or the references in this instance and the author is deceased.) My understanding is that the soul has been bound literally eternally (not figuratively) from the perspective of ordinary material time. And from the perspective of one of the other two phases time there is an actual fall. This view seems consistent with Bhaktivinode's statements in Jaiva dharma that the issue involves understanding about cit and acit time and with Ravindrasvarupa's BTG essay where he says that the story of the fall spans two types of time. The OOP book however does not acknowledge more than one type of time. Therefore in an attempt to harmonize "fall" and "no-fall" within the framework of material-linear time, the authors are forced to interpret "anadi" as figurative. This is not consistent with this Pancaratra discussion or with Ravindrasvarupa's discussion, maybe not even with Jaiva dharma, and is therefore unconvincing. Any comments? Gerald S On 17 Feb 1999, Payonidhi Dasa wrote: > Srila Prabhupada clearly explained in the letter to Madhuvisa,that the soul is > with Krsna prior to falling into the material world. > But the soul falls due to misuse of independence.And the BTG printed a nice > article by Srila Prabhupada on this issue in 1996,the January edition. > Besides this also there is a purport to SB 11.2.39 where Srila > Bhaktisiddhanta Thakura also explains a similar situation. > Also Bhaktivinoda Thakuras Jaiva dharma clearly states that due to envy the > jiva falls into the material world,the quotes are many. > YS > Payonidhi das > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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