Fall, No-Fall, Doubts, etc.

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On 23 Mar 1999, Payonidhi Dasa wrote:

 

 

> That is such rascaldom,how can you not see it for what it is????????Are you

> blind?????Or deeply in maya????Or both?????????

 

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> wrong conclusions???????????WHERE IS YOUR HUMILITY????????????????BUT YOU

> STILL WILL NOT ACCEPT, I MUST SAY I FIND this just demonic asuric behavior.

 

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> want it in chinese as well.THE rotten behavior here is you offensively

believe

> some "evil Hrdayananda Swami and crew will make it up",You prove this is not

> what he said.Prove it or please just shut up with such aparadha mentality.

 

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> I think it is reasonabel that people like you should not be allowed to speak

> any nonsens and speculate your heads of,maybe, perhabs ,if.If the

translation

> is wrong then blaa ,bla ,blaa, blaaaaaaaaaa.Listen to yourself.I will

honestly

> tell you I think you are an overly arrogant fellow,and you logic really

> stinks.

 

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> No I do not recall,only that you presented the Gaudia Matha translation from

> the Jaiva dharma and typed the whole 15 th chapter,I did not even bother to

> reads it as it may have been touched by that demon Yati(Yaksasa) Maharaja .

 

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> in His lila.And if you can't do that then you are to fallen to argue with

this

> about.

 

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> I have read the Vedanta sutra in the past but have no copy at present

> and don't recall any ideas of the soul not falling,you properly just read

> a Gadiya Matha translation and got bewildered,now please take the medicine

and

> associate with ISKCON devotees and get rectified from such polluted

> consciousness.

 

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> You get a big minus plus and a bhuuuuuuu for that one,thumps down.

> Half hen philosophy.

 

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> More bhogus argument.Srila Prabhupada respondet to Madhuvisas letter,

> you just don't want to see the truth.You are screaming do not force me into

> the light I want to remain in darkness,well remain in darkness an continue

to

> speculate as you please,but the result will not be good.

 

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> blallla,blaaaa blaaa,what are you getting at wake up to reality>

 

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> ALL YOU UNDERSTAND IS A BROOMSTICK

 

> I HAVE NO REGARDS FOR MAYAVADI IDEAS

 

> PAYONIDHI DAS

 

 

Hare Krishna.

 

As far as the topic is concerned, I believe this discussion with Payonidhi Das

is now concluded. I guess I'm just totally unable to defeat these kinds of,

um, expert arguments. But I figure that when someone is getting so hostile

that he can't even write in complete sentences, it's probably better to to

just leave him be.

 

Just to get some facts straight, I was not the one who typed up the chapter

from Jaiva Dharma. Nor do I have a Gaudiya Math edition of the Vedaanta-suutra

(I wasn't aware that there was one). And I fail to see how Payonidhi Das can

say that the translation I quoted from is incorrect, when by his own admission

he does not have a "bona fide" translation of the same. I doubt if he knows

Sanskrit. But in any case, he is welcome to believe that non-ISKCON

translations of this work are unacceptable, and in this way hide from the

evidence therein. It won't go away, however.

 

Also, I never asserted that Hridayananda Swami would make anything up. I only

asked to see what the original Sanskrit/Bengali was, given that in ISKCON

people translate in such a way as to comment on a verse, and that sort of

translation is itself based on their philosophical understanding at the time.

I don't see why this is an unreasonable request.

 

This will be my last reply to Payonidhi on this subject. He is welcome to

continue twisting my words around, insulting me, and so on; I simply have no

interest in that level of discourse. I apologize for having given him a chance

to post these kinds of remarks on this forum.

 

regards,

 

-- K