Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 "COM: Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius)" wrote: > [Text 2333545 from COM] > > Here is an interesting text which shows that physical presence of a guru is > required for diksa. I asked Hari Sauri Prabhu if I could forward it to this > conference. > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Text COM:2326825 (199 lines) > Hari Sauri (das) ACBSP > BG shows physical presence is required > --------------------------- > > ...Again I repeat, there are no > examples of diksa being given by a guru who has departed his physical form. > BG gives evidence that even a liberated soul like Arjuna is affected by loss > of memory due to a change of physical body and must therefore reestablish > his connection with guru in his current body. > > Furthermore there is no other example of diksha ever having been > given by a guru who has already departed his body. > > So on the basis of actual examples to support my case and no > examples to support the ritvik case, I will leave it to others to decide who > is conncocting what.... > Your humble servant, > Hari-sauri dasa > (Text COM:2326825) -------- Thank you for your clear-headed exposition, Hari Sauri prabhu. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 1999 Report Share Posted May 21, 1999 On 20 May 1999, Hare Krsna dasi wrote: > > > "COM: Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius)" wrote: > > > [Text 2333545 from COM] > > > > Here is an interesting text which shows that physical presence of a guru is > > required for diksa. I asked Hari Sauri Prabhu if I could forward it to this > > conference. > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > Text COM:2326825 (199 lines) > > Hari Sauri (das) ACBSP > > BG shows physical presence is required > > --------------------------- > > ...Again I repeat, there are no > > examples of diksa being given by a guru who has departed his physical form. > > BG gives evidence that even a liberated soul like Arjuna is affected by loss > > of memory due to a change of physical body and must therefore reestablish > > his connection with guru in his current body. > > > > Furthermore there is no other example of diksha ever having been > > given by a guru who has already departed his body. I also accept it as a general rule that the guru (and disciple) must be physically present for diksa to take place, but as they say, the exception proves the rule. Didn't Srila Bhaktisiddhanta accept formal diksa form a picture of his guru. That's what I have heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 At 4:09 -0800 5/25/99, COM: Bhaktarupa (das) ACBSP (Bhubaneswara - IN) wrote: > >But you should realize that Visvanath Cakravarti Thakur did have a diksa >guru. Just because his guru's name is not mentioned does not mean that he >wasn't qualified. There seems to be a great deal of interest in Visvanath Cakravarti Thakur's relationship with his guru(s). Does anyone know from whom he took diksa? Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 1999 Report Share Posted May 25, 1999 > At 4:09 -0800 5/25/99, COM: Bhaktarupa (das) ACBSP (Bhubaneswara - IN) > wrote: > > > >But you should realize that Visvanath Cakravarti Thakur did have a diksa > >guru. Just because his guru's name is not mentioned does not mean that he > >wasn't qualified. > > There seems to be a great deal of interest in Visvanath Cakravarti > Thakur's relationship with his guru(s). Does anyone know from whom he took > diksa? > > Ys, > Madhusudani dasi This is from the BTG, Jan/Feb, 1991, an article about Baladeva Vidyabhusana, The Gaudiya Vedantist. Visvanatha Deputes Baladeva Visvanatha Cakravati, a scholar of great repute, lived in Vrndavana at this time. Visvanatha had been born in 1646 in a Bengali village named Saidabad, where he had spent the first years of his life. Like other aspiring young renunciants, Visvanatha had faced problems with his family, who had betrothed him at a young age to tie him to domestic life. As a married youth, Visvanatha had studied extensively, and while living with his family in Saidabad he had written brilliant commentaries on Vaisnava scripture. During his life in Saidabad, Visvanatha had taken initiation from Radharamana Cakravati and studied the Srimad-Bhagavatam and other Vaisnava scriptures with Radharamana's father, Krsnacarana Cakravati. Radharamana was three generations removed from the main preceptor in their line, Narottama Dasa Thakura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 1999 Report Share Posted May 27, 1999 > There seems to be a great deal of interest in Visvanath Cakravarti > Thakur's relationship with his guru(s). Does anyone know from whom he took > diksa? In case anyone still thinks that those "missing" names in our (bhagavat) parampara which Srila Prabhupada cites in the Gita were devotees of a lesser standard, the following is from Narottama Vilas by Srila Narahari Chakravarti, translated by Dasarath Suta Prabhu: The Lord's dear associate is Goswami Lokanath. Within this universe, his life and characteristics are known by all to be extremely beautiful and charming to the heart. Sri Lokanatha's dear disciple is Sri Narottama, who is verily made of prema -- he is the personified form of ecstatic love of Godhead. Known throughout the universe as "Thakur Mahasaya", his own dear disciple is Sri Ganga Narayana Chakravarti. Ganga Narayana was the greatest, most learned pandit as well as the personified living example of prema-bhakti. His disciple is Sri Krishna-charan Chakravarti. He was also full of prema and was the son of Rama Krishnacharya. The disciple of Krishna-charan was Sri Rama-charan Chakravarti (also known as Radha-raman Chakravarti). He was expert in everything and performed extremely pure devotional service. His dear disciple was Sri Visvanatha Chakravarti, whose very form was made of mercy and divine compassion. Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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