So-called Proof of Bipin Bihari Goswami's position

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> Here are two quotations for your pleasure, received by the mercy of some

> knowledgeable Vaisnavas:

 

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> >> It is a well-known fact that many Gaudiya Math sadhus are

> >> presently reinitiating ISKCON devotees in large numbers.

> >> Although they put forward so many reasons to justify doing

> >> this which somehow satisfies the minds of the disaffected

> >> devotees, it is beyond my comprehension how such behavior

> >> is based upon guru, sadhu, and sastra. It appears

> >> by-and-large to simply be a tactic designed to increase the

> >> followings of their maths. That our ISKCON gurus are

> >> categorically not engaging in such practices is indeed

> >> commendable.

> >

> >By the way, I heard that there is a verse saying that if one

> >takes reinitiation although his guru is in good standing, he

> >goes to hell because he has rejected Visnu.

> >

> >Somebody knows the reference?

>

> In the final chapter of the Sri Caitanya Bhagavata,

> Antya 10.22-28, Sri Gadadhara approaches Lord Caitanya and the

> following conversation ensues:

> 22. One day, with Lord Caitanya, Gadadhara discussed his

> previous mantra-initiation (from Pundarika Vidyanidhi).

> 23. Gadadhara said: "The ista-mantra I say does not stay very

> well in my mind. 24. "Please tell me that mantra again. Then

> my heart will be happy." 25. Lord Caitanya said, "Anyone who

> gives you that mantra again will become an offender.

> 26. "The person who gave you that mantra is the very life of

> both you and Me. It is not right for Me to tell you that

> mantra again."

> 27. Then Gadadhara said, "Then you cannot act on my guru's

> behalf." 28. Lord Caitanya said, "Your guru is Pundarika

> Vidyanidhi. By the Supreme Lord's arrangement, you will meet

> him again and he will give you the mantra again."

>

> Another point: we sometimes hear that certain gurus minimize

> the value of hearing about the Lord's pastimes that don't

> involve Vrindaban or Madhurya rasa. However in the same

> chapter of the Sri Caitanya Bhagavata, Antya 10.33-34, we find

> this:

> 33. Hearing Gadadhara read Srimad Bhagavatam, Lord Caitanya

> would manifest many symptoms of ecstatic love.

> 34. A hundred times Lord Caitanya attentively heard Gadadhara

> read the story of Prahlada and the story of Dhruva.

>

> Above translations are by Kusakratha Prabhu.

> With best wishes,

> Hridayananda das Goswami

 

A valuable reference on the etiquette of re-initiation. Thank

you Maharaja for posting it.

 

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