Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 > I never saw evidence anywhere that the Hare Krishna Mantra chanting stops > at Vaikuntha. Gayatri, yes, but Hare Krishna, no. >> > > I was just listening to the Issues in ISKCON Reform on Chakra. Lecture 1b > At the very end, in the question answers period, Ravindra svarupa Prabhu > says that the idea that your rasa is given to you at a certain time is a > notion of some sahajiyas. According to Srila Prabhupada, however, it was > already there in the heart. > Therefore, it cannot be that the Hare Krishna mantra gives one a new > svarupa/position in the spiritual world Mahanidhi Swami mentions in his book Appreciating Navadvipa Dhama that when one who is an associate of Lord Caitanya enters the spiritual world he gets two spiritual bodies simulataneously, one in Vrndabana partition of Goloka or wherever his constitutional position is and one in the Navadvipa partition of Goloka. Like for example Murari Gupta, who is none other than Hanuman is eternally present in the spritiual Vaikuntha planet of Ayodhya where Lord Ramachandra resides and he is simultaneously present in the pastimes of Lord Caitanya in the Navadvipa partition of the highest planet, Goloka Vrndabana. So anyone who takes up the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra in this Kali Yuga when the original avatari has incarnated in full as Lord Caitanya, he can easily become an associate of Lord Caitanya in the highest planet Goloka Vrndabana (Navadvipa partition) while serving the form of the Lord in another Vaikuntha planet as per his constitutional position. This what Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is giving, entry into the highest planet of Goloka Vrndabana to anyone who simple accepts the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra. I think this is how we can understand the statement by Antardwip Prabhu that: > It is also stated in Jaiva Dharma, I think, or if not there, another > authoritative source, that denizens of Vaikuntha willingly take birth > during this time to get Lord Chaitanya's mercy to elevate them to Goloka. That is if they become an associate of Lord Caitanya who appeared in this Kali Yuga they get entry into Goloka in the Navadvipa partition irrespective of their constitutional position in any Vaikuntha planet. So chanting Hare Krishna maha-mantra given by the Lord Caitanya who is the combined form Radha & Krsna in this Kali yuga does give entry in Goloka. Ofcourse I don't know the exact sastric reference for this. Any other learned Vaisnava can give it. Your servant, Nayana-ranjana Dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Haribol Nayana-ranjana: > That is if they become an associate of Lord Caitanya who appeared in this > Kali Yuga they get entry into Goloka in the Navadvipa partition irrespective > of their constitutional position in any Vaikuntha planet. Coming to the sankirtana movement is not exactly the same as appearing in the pastimes of Lord Chaitanya. In the case of the latter, the devotees intrinsic position is probably such an associate. However, a soul who is intrinsically from Vaikuntha, and comes into contact with the sankirtana movement, would only get back that intrinsic nature according to this verse from SB Canto 2.10.xx: muktir hitvanyatha rupam sva-rupena vyavasthitih Liberation is the permanent situation of the form of the living entity after he gives up the changeable gross and subtle material bodies. Gerald Surya In a message dated Mon, 26 Jul 1999 6:29:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "COM: Nayana-ranjana (das) (BBT Bombay - IN)" <Nayana-ranjana (AT) bbt (DOT) se> writes: > [Text 2506143 from COM] > > > I never saw evidence anywhere that the Hare Krishna Mantra chanting stops > > at Vaikuntha. Gayatri, yes, but Hare Krishna, no. >> > > > > I was just listening to the Issues in ISKCON Reform on Chakra. Lecture 1b > > At the very end, in the question answers period, Ravindra svarupa Prabhu > > says that the idea that your rasa is given to you at a certain time is a > > notion of some sahajiyas. According to Srila Prabhupada, however, it was > > already there in the heart. > > Therefore, it cannot be that the Hare Krishna mantra gives one a new > > svarupa/position in the spiritual world > > Mahanidhi Swami mentions in his book Appreciating Navadvipa Dhama that when > one who is an associate of Lord Caitanya enters the spiritual world he gets > two spiritual bodies simulataneously, one in Vrndabana partition of Goloka > or wherever his constitutional position is and one in the Navadvipa > partition of Goloka. Like for example Murari Gupta, who is none other than > Hanuman is eternally present in the spritiual Vaikuntha planet of Ayodhya > where Lord Ramachandra resides and he is simultaneously present in the > pastimes of Lord Caitanya in the Navadvipa partition of the highest planet, > Goloka Vrndabana. > > So anyone who takes up the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra in this Kali > Yuga when the original avatari has incarnated in full as Lord Caitanya, he > can easily become an associate of Lord Caitanya in the highest planet Goloka > Vrndabana (Navadvipa partition) while serving the form of the Lord in > another Vaikuntha planet as per his constitutional position. This what Sri > Caitanya Mahaprabhu is giving, entry into the highest planet of Goloka > Vrndabana to anyone who simple accepts the chanting of the Hare Krsna > maha-mantra. > > I think this is how we can understand the statement by Antardwip Prabhu > that: > > > It is also stated in Jaiva Dharma, I think, or if not there, another > > authoritative source, that denizens of Vaikuntha willingly take birth > > during this time to get Lord Chaitanya's mercy to elevate them to Goloka. > > That is if they become an associate of Lord Caitanya who appeared in this > Kali Yuga they get entry into Goloka in the Navadvipa partition irrespective > of their constitutional position in any Vaikuntha planet. So chanting Hare > Krishna maha-mantra given by the Lord Caitanya who is the combined form > Radha & Krsna in this Kali yuga does give entry in Goloka. > > Ofcourse I don't know the exact sastric reference for this. Any other > learned Vaisnava can give it. > > Your servant, > Nayana-ranjana Dasa > <tr><td><pre> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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